***Booyah, another 195mm Redtooth Racing Pulley falls off***

[chawkins2001]

Another one of these crank pulleys fell off a customers car on Friday, again it was on the dyno been tuned by EC. The customer is not a board member, but it is a FL car and has several friends on here that can verify what happened. I hate that this happened, and hope the damage is not severe. These things need to be recalled immediately. For the record, that is four different shops installing these things, all with the same outcome that have come forward.

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[e55amgrocket]

No way!! that can't be possible not another RTR 195mm falling off
Anyone that has one of these needs to get it off ASAP. I think people are starting to believe us now.

[urbamworm]

Damn man that sucks. I wonder why it is just those bigger ones that are having the problems, or at least that is all we have heard about so far? I know there are some pullies out there that have not been installed that were purchased from RTR that are the smaller variety. I am sure the owner is terrified to put the thing on and has an expensive paperweight at the moment.

I read stuff where people talked about more torque/radial load/etc with the bigger ring. It is crazy that there are one or two people bragging how they have 2000 miles on their 180mm or whatever but these 190, 195+ are such bad news. They obviously use the same balancer that bolts to the crank from a smaller ring to the larger ring option, I guess something just isn't designed right that allows all hell to break loose when you get the forces the larger ring puts on things.

I hope there wasn't any damage done to the guys car as another victim of that unbelievably problematic new pulley.

[chawkins2001]

David, been on the dyno just verifies that after multiple blower engagements on that large pulley, the hb is so bad, that it starts to loosen the bolt and it backs out. His bolt was loose too. It is your boys white e55.

[Tech-Tune]

That sucks, hope he doesnt have the same damage as well.

[tbal]

Damn that sucks!

[BBBSS]

That is some screwed up stuff to be hearing. There's gonna be a run on replacement cranks.... but can they be found for not outrageous prices!?

[emoving]

I just don't understand why these people that are having the problems don't speak up? Not busting your ***** Craig as we have been on good terms but it would suit everyone well if we all heard it from the horses mouth. He can join in a matter of seconds as you know.

[emoving]

Was it the frozen white E55? He a member down there.

[emoving]

I'm not gonna name names but I just heard it first hand from a EC employee. I wouldnt put one of these on my $10,000 motor if you gave it to me free. Chawkins and Steve, I now feel verry horrible for what you two have been going thru.

[AKnight55]

Not surprised to hear this one bit. Another install error? Doubtful

[zneB-sedecreM]

Wow, it seems that RTR has no idea how to build a quality product whatsoever

[emoving]

Nah, from what I'm hearing, it's all the pulley.

[e55amgrocket]

We told everyone this wouldn't be an isolated case with just the 2 of us.

[novae500]

Sorry to see another one bite the dust! Hopefully this is lesson learned for all those that jumped quickly and bought a RTR larger pulley from a company never heard of and all of a sudden marketing their new design pulley that will guarantee to break your crankshaft!!! And those who bought the EC groupbuy dont install their RTR pulley, but send it back and possibly get a full refund. New from the getgo, it sure dang wasnt the install, esp coming from two reputable shops!!!!

[theblckghst]

excuse my ignorance but what happens to the motor when the pulley falls off? I'm aware that the end result is catastrophic but, idk what the damages are. can some one explain?

[urbamworm]

Originally Posted by chawkins2001

David, been on the dyno just verifies that after multiple blower engagements on that large pulley, the hb is so bad, that it starts to loosen the bolt and it backs out. His bolt was loose too. It is your boys white e55.

I assume you are talking about Frank from down in the Miami area close to Elliot since he isn't a member on here and has a white E55.

I have videos up of it on the other site running against Elliot? He had a pretty quick car on motor (517whp?) and upper 10s on the juice at Palm Beach Internation. He just had a 190mm pulley on his car when we did the Miami tune day last month, wonder why he switched to the 195 RTR. He probably wasn't happy after the runs with Elliot so was in search of a little more power. I am sure he lurks on here to see what has been going down with that pulley so surprised he got one.

Here is the video, Elliot (redbulljnky) has my GoPro and the other car I believe is the one being talked about here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6NpGLRRTRA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6NpGLRRTRA

I truely hope for everyones sake out there running a RTR pulley that this is strickly a problem with the larger 190+mm ring and not for all of them. It would be terrible if everyones pullies started falling off/loosening up that have a smaller ring (like 180) and it just has bought them some more time than the bigger ring before all hell breaks loose on them. I will tell you I would be absolutely terrified to have one on my car in any size seeing 4 failures come to light now being installed by 4 different places and not a huge number of them out there being ran. I read 50+ have been sold, but honestly who knows if that is true or not, and of those 50 sold how many aren't even being ran yet because I know of one and sure there are several others.

[chawkins2001]

I was told it is a 195mm, but if the car had a 190mm on it, who cares. All we know is that it is a rtr pulley. The smaller ones will fail, it will just take a little longer.

[CharlyE500]

what about the SC pulley kit now ? any update ?

[cahiil55k]

<sarcasm>I'm sure it was the installer's fault</sarcasm>
I hope you all get your cars fixed soon.

[chawkins2001]

RTR is going to have a lot of guys coming after them soon, not just a couple. I would think a mass recall is in order, but hey, that would admit product failure, and Brooke/Shardul would never admit that, they wont even admit owning the company, I wonder why!

I believe it is Franks car, and is not a board member. From what I have heard, he does not want anyone knowing his combo, just wants a strong fast car with no BS that can be given on the forums. Maybe he Will come forward but it just happened so they don't know the damage involved.

[pearlpower]

Where are all of the naysayers from the original broken pulley thread??? WHERE ARE YOU???? Speak up!!! What do you think now????? Still installer error? It's like they are velcro'd to the wrong pair of ***** and they cannot let them self free.

Additionally I hope any vendor that are selling these think twice before installing on a customer's car.

The concept is nice but to be so stubborn to the point of causing extreme headaches to automotive enthusiasts in the name of profit and credibility is WRONG! Bad designs are one thing, but to man up and admit it, stop blaming Obama and the alignment of Jupiter with it's moon, etc. and accept responsibility is the only way to go. People are forgiving in this country, too much so IMO.

But, on a positive note, I am sure it will get redesigned and an xlnt unit will be available for everyone, but the beta testing stage is a MF, and a few folks should be taken of. I'm also sure best intentions were in place-but has taken a reprieve-hopefully a short one. We are all in this as enthusiasts and feel the pain when something like this occurs to a brotha out there. Hell, I feel bad if something bad happens to even another make/model car.

Obviously the first batch are defective. Glad I do not have one on my car-came close. For those with these on your car, any doubts? Any second thoughts when WOT your car now? Piece of mind=GONE!

2000th post, time for a beer.

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[emoving]

Originally Posted by pearlpower

Where are all of the naysayers from the original broken pulley thread??? WHERE ARE YOU???? Speak up!!! What do you think now????? Still installer error? It's like they are velcro'd to the wrong pair of ***** and they cannot let them self free.

Additionally I hope any vendor that are selling these think twice before installing on a customer's car.

The concept is nice but to be so stubborn to the point of causing extreme headaches to automotive enthusiasts in the name of profit and credibility is WRONG! Bad designs are one thing, but to man up and admit it, stop blaming Obama and the alignment of Jupiter with it's moon, etc. and accept responsibility is the only way to go. People are forgiving in this country, too much so IMO.

But, on a positive note, I am sure it will get redesigned and an xlnt unit will be available for everyone, but the beta testing stage is a MF, and a few folks should be taken of.

Obviously the first batch are defective. Glad I do not have one on my car-came close. For those with these on your car, any doubts? Any second thoughts when WOT your car now? Piece of mind=GONE!

2000th post, time for a beer.

They can redesign it 5 times over and I will wait 20,000 miles after you put one on before I do!

[AKnight55]

Would love to see what Benzdoc has to say now..

[emoving]

Originally Posted by AKnight55

Would love to see what Benzdoc has to say now..

Benzdoc is a good dude but I think you will hear...........Crickets...........
Cant blame him for supporting his peeps, but at this point, I would keep my mouth shut!