Best place for transmission fluid?
12-04-2012, 12:02 AM
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^thanks! I found the part number on it.. just want to make sure this is the correct fluid below..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Ben...0f74ec&vxp=mtr
This is the correct fluid, right?
Freaking shop put Wolf's Head in my car and want to get it out and replace. I know it's not good to flush the cooler and all.. So would it mixing with that junk be bad?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Ben...0f74ec&vxp=mtr
This is the correct fluid, right?
Freaking shop put Wolf's Head in my car and want to get it out and replace. I know it's not good to flush the cooler and all.. So would it mixing with that junk be bad?
12-04-2012, 12:41 AM
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yes, that is the correct fluid although i would buy 15-20 qts since you contaminated it with non-MB fluid.
disconnect the cooler return line, drain and fill 3-4 times idling the car 5-10 mins in between. this should get most of the old fluid out.
once this is done drop the pan and change filter, gasket and harness plug. reinstall and refill to proper level.
it should be good to go.
disconnect the cooler return line, drain and fill 3-4 times idling the car 5-10 mins in between. this should get most of the old fluid out.
once this is done drop the pan and change filter, gasket and harness plug. reinstall and refill to proper level.
it should be good to go.
12-04-2012, 12:43 AM
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yes, that is the correct fluid although i would buy 15-20 qts since you contaminated it with non-MB fluid.
disconnect the cooler return line, drain and fill 3-4 times idling the car 5-10 mins in between. this should get most of the old fluid out.
once this is done drop the pan and change filter, gasket and harness plug. reinstall and refill to proper level.
it should be good to go.
disconnect the cooler return line, drain and fill 3-4 times idling the car 5-10 mins in between. this should get most of the old fluid out.
once this is done drop the pan and change filter, gasket and harness plug. reinstall and refill to proper level.
it should be good to go.
Now, I read somewhere that completely draining the fluid is bad? Is this true? I don't see any reason behind it other than maybe trapped air... But still not sure..
12-04-2012, 01:11 AM
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you cant just drain all the fluid. There is no torque converter drain plug on these cars ... hence why i would replace as much fluid as possible using the method described above.
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12-04-2012, 09:27 AM
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I would be very careful with servicing transmission. If not done right (proper procedures/tricks/temprature etc), could face costly repairs in near future 
. I would leave this to the experts; I would recommend getting quote from various independent MB shops. In DC/VA area you can get a transmission flush from a great indy MB shop for less then $400.
. I would leave this to the experts; I would recommend getting quote from various independent MB shops. In DC/VA area you can get a transmission flush from a great indy MB shop for less then $400.
12-04-2012, 09:29 AM
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Benz Elite Automotive in Alexandria, VA is a great place to get any MB Service. See the link below.
http://www.benzeliteautomotive.com/index.php/Specials
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12-04-2012, 12:00 PM
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12-04-2012, 07:07 PM
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I read something about an updated part # on updated fluid... Is this the most current fluid for our cars?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Ben...0f74ec&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Ben...0f74ec&vxp=mtr
12-04-2012, 07:39 PM
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I read something about an updated part # on updated fluid... Is this the most current fluid for our cars?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Ben...0f74ec&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Ben...0f74ec&vxp=mtr
12-04-2012, 07:56 PM
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Mercedes spec 236.10 -> 236.12 -> 236.14
Imo, as long as the fluid you are using meets one of those specs you are fine. To answer your question, 236.14 is the latest spec, and also the one you linked to.
http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/236.14_en.html
Imo, as long as the fluid you are using meets one of those specs you are fine. To answer your question, 236.14 is the latest spec, and also the one you linked to.
http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/236.14_en.html
12-24-2012, 03:19 AM
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Just because the 236.14 spec is the newest, and is backward compatible for the older transmissions, does NOT mean that it may be the best for our 722.6 5 speed transmissions. I quote:
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As stated here and elsewhere, those that have used the NEW MB OEM fluid have noticed shifting issues/soft shift ,etc when doing a complete flush in their 722.6 236.12 and prior transmissions. There is a reason for this.
The new MB OEM fluid is a lower viscosity fluid for fuel consumption purposes. MB states it is backwards compatible with the older transmissions such as the 5sp units, with the added issue of softer shifts,etc......
The Royal Purple viscosity is comparable to the older 5sp MB fluid which many seem to favor over the new MB fluid in the 5sp trans.
So if I were to throw something out there, the Royal Purple is a better fluid for the older 5sp transmissions vs. the new MB fluid. Makes sense?
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As stated here and elsewhere, those that have used the NEW MB OEM fluid have noticed shifting issues/soft shift ,etc when doing a complete flush in their 722.6 236.12 and prior transmissions. There is a reason for this.
The new MB OEM fluid is a lower viscosity fluid for fuel consumption purposes. MB states it is backwards compatible with the older transmissions such as the 5sp units, with the added issue of softer shifts,etc......
The Royal Purple viscosity is comparable to the older 5sp MB fluid which many seem to favor over the new MB fluid in the 5sp trans.
So if I were to throw something out there, the Royal Purple is a better fluid for the older 5sp transmissions vs. the new MB fluid. Makes sense?
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01-13-2013, 02:06 PM
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Also after scouring these threads I found some chatter that a small drain plug DOES exist on the C63 torque converter but it must be rotated to be seen.
01-17-2013, 06:08 AM
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"PLEASE NOTE: Max ATF is NOT recommended for the following applications ... Mercedes Benz 236.8, 236.12, 236.14 & 236.15"
Notice, not 236.12 now either! However, they DO state:
"Max ATF is recommended in vehicles requiring any of these automatic transmission fluids: Mercedes Benz 236.1, 236.2, 236.3, 236.5, 236.6, 236.7, 236.9, 236.10, 236.11"
I just spoke with Jim in Tech Support at Royal Purple. They definitely recommend their Max ATF for the 722.6 5 speed automatic transmissions.
(He said that they will not be recommended by the OEMs as Royal Purple does not/will not pay the licensing fees often required by OEMs to be "licensed".)
More importantly, he stated that Royal Purple does NOT have the low viscosity fluids as mentioned earlier, and he is not sure if they will provide the low viscosity fluids (that pealpower reported likely the cause of "shifting issues/soft shift ,etc"). So Royal Purple Max ATF does sound like a preferred fluid for our 722.6 five speeds...
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As far as the Shell ATF 134 as mentioned earlier: That appears to have changed:
"Shell ATF 134 is a premium semi-synthetic automatic transmission fluid designed for use in Mercedes Benz 7 speed transmission. Meets MB approval 236.12 and 236.14."
Doesn't this mean that they have switched to the newer, lower viscosity fluid for fuel consumption purposes (which also likely causes the newer fluid's "shifting issues/soft shift ,etc")???
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(Red Line claims their D4 ATF is for my E55, but specs does not specifically mention 722.6 trans)
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When I search for A001989210310 on AutohauzAZ.com, I get:
Fuchs 00004330401. It states:
"For Mercedes models with 722.6XX electronic 5-speed automatic transmissions, NOT for later model 7-speed 722.9xx automatic, please verify type of transmission. Fuchs is an OE supplier to Mercedes and this meets MB standards 236.10. Up to 9 liters per car with complete drain, 4.5 - 5.0 liters on service flush only."
However, the photo shows Fuchs Titan ATF 3353 which is described here. It states:
"Ultra high-performance DEXRON III-generation-ATF for automatic transmissions as well as any other ATF-applications. Developed for the latest generation of Mercedes-Benz 7-step-automatic transmissions (NAG 2), applicable as well for the predecessing 5-step-automatic transmissions (NAG 1). Offers fuel-efficiency potential. Specifications & Approvals: MB-APPROVAL 236.12"
Checking the other Fuchs ATF fluids I find that:
TITAN ATF 6000 SL (no MB)
TITAN ATF 3000 MB-APPROVAL 236.6
TITAN ATF 3353 MB-APPROVAL 236.12
TITAN ATF 4000 MB-APPROVAL 236.1 236.5
TITAN ATF 4134 MB-APPROVAL 236.14
TITAN ATF 4400 (no MB)
TITAN ATF 5000 SL MB-APPROVAL 236.8
TITAN ATF 5005 MB-APPROVAL 236.6
TITAN ATF CVT MB-APPROVAL 236.20
So 3353 is spec 236.12 and preferred, but 4134 is the newer low viscosity spec 236.14 with "shifting issues/soft shift ,etc".
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Some further reference is at the Mercedes-Benz Specifications for Operating Fluids (MB BeVo), more specifically:
the 236.1* fluids.
An earlier thread here is: "Where to buy transmission fluid??"
and from BenzWorld.org: "Mercedes-Benz 722.6 Transmission FAQ".
(Remember that most of them do not talk about the newer, lower viscocity fluids (Spec 236.14) causing the "shifting issues/soft shift ,etc".)
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So, can I conclude that the best options for our 722.6 trannies are only:
- Mercedes-Benz A 001 989 21 03 10 (Spec 236.10)
Mercedes-Benz A 001 989 45 03 10 Spec 236.12 (currently $20 MSRP, discounted to $14.40/qt ?plus shipping?)
- Royal Purple Max ATF (Spec 236.10 and 236.11 and some earlier)
Royal Purple Max ATF at NAPA per 20 quart (5 gal) (currently $302.82= $15.14/qt)
(currently $14.39 - over $25, Free Shipping)
(currently $155.51 Free Ship = $12.96/qt)
- Fuchs TITAN ATF 3353 (Spec 236.12)
??? (i.e. staying away from the newer Spec 236.14 to avoid the previously mentioned "shifting issues/soft shift ,etc".)
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You can get Shell ATF 134 at your local shell distributor, around $60 or so for a case of 12 quarts. Shell's website lists the headquarters of their distributors, but the individual distributor may have multiple sites in your state.
http://www.shell.us/business-custome...RzL3B1YmxpYy8=
http://www.shell.us/business-custome...RzL3B1YmxpYy8=
