What are the pros/cons of e55/63 amgs?
04-15-2014, 12:32 AM
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What are the pros/cons of e55/63 amgs?
Hey guys.. ive been lurking on mbworld for a couple of years. I currently have an e39 M5 and was looking to get a DD to retire the beast with another beast 
I've been looking at e60 m5s, e63 m6s and w211 e55 amgs. I know a whole lot when it comes to the m5/6s but nothing when it comes to the e55/63s.
In the m5 universe there are a couple of years you want to avoid because of various issues. I was wondering if the same applies to the e55/63s.
What are the pros and cons of certain years for the w211 amgs? Common problems to look for? I appreciate any input and thank you in advance!
I've been looking at e60 m5s, e63 m6s and w211 e55 amgs. I know a whole lot when it comes to the m5/6s but nothing when it comes to the e55/63s.
In the m5 universe there are a couple of years you want to avoid because of various issues. I was wondering if the same applies to the e55/63s.
What are the pros and cons of certain years for the w211 amgs? Common problems to look for? I appreciate any input and thank you in advance!
04-15-2014, 02:39 AM
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I love the E39 M5. The 55K engines have a lot more potential and are much more mod-friendly. I think in terms of reliability, the 55K engines prevail over the 63NA's. You will face less issues with a 55K engine.
04-15-2014, 08:51 AM
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I made the switch from an E39 M5 to E55 (I still miss the E39 M5, one of the best sedans ever built - it had luxury yet still so raw).
If you decide the E55 route, you won't regret making the switch.. E55s are simply amazing machines.
E55 - mod potential and generally have bulletproof motors/trannys.
E63 - newer technology/features, they're NA so you don't have boost related issues like heatsoak
You can't go wrong with either, just make sure you do your due diligence and find the right car, get a PPI, and enjoy!
If you decide the E55 route, you won't regret making the switch.. E55s are simply amazing machines.
E55 - mod potential and generally have bulletproof motors/trannys.
E63 - newer technology/features, they're NA so you don't have boost related issues like heatsoak
You can't go wrong with either, just make sure you do your due diligence and find the right car, get a PPI, and enjoy!
04-15-2014, 10:35 AM
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While I love my E55 and love the E55s savage, unrefined, raw, animistic character I fell in love with the E63 when I drove it. Believe me it's ALOT more refined, it feels better, tighter and just smoother. It's not a better car, the cars are just different. Honestly they may have the same chassis but they feel way different. Test drive them both and see what you like. The E63 isn't mod-unfriendly, it's just more expensive to mod. Personally I can't choose between them, they're both special in their own way. The E63 though can be had in MY09 which means most of the problems with the W211 were solved and worked out. It has alot better gear like,
1. The steering rack is faster/different
2. If you get an 09 you'll get the NTG 2.5 COMAND headunit which is a HUGE improvement
3. The facelift which took the car and made it too beautiful and just made it so complete that even in 2014 it looks like a brand new car while the pre-facelift has aged alot (you can do these changes but it is a bit of a hassle)
4. Better reliability as the facelift cars were named some of the most reliable cars in Europe which happens as they fix the kinks throughout the years.
5. The interior details like the black cluster, the nicer shift lever, on some models the steering wheel (CLK63 BS steering wheel).
6. Getting rid of SBC, the crappy braking system Mercedes scrapped after realizing how numb it feels and believe me the E63's brakes feel better, alot better.
Chances are the E63 will be a lower mileage and newer car and has all these amazing upgrades while being very nice to drive, very tight and fast and that SOUND!!!
Good luck, ultimately you're gonna have to try them both and see which you like better.
1. The steering rack is faster/different
2. If you get an 09 you'll get the NTG 2.5 COMAND headunit which is a HUGE improvement
3. The facelift which took the car and made it too beautiful and just made it so complete that even in 2014 it looks like a brand new car while the pre-facelift has aged alot (you can do these changes but it is a bit of a hassle)
4. Better reliability as the facelift cars were named some of the most reliable cars in Europe which happens as they fix the kinks throughout the years.
5. The interior details like the black cluster, the nicer shift lever, on some models the steering wheel (CLK63 BS steering wheel).
6. Getting rid of SBC, the crappy braking system Mercedes scrapped after realizing how numb it feels and believe me the E63's brakes feel better, alot better.
Chances are the E63 will be a lower mileage and newer car and has all these amazing upgrades while being very nice to drive, very tight and fast and that SOUND!!!
Good luck, ultimately you're gonna have to try them both and see which you like better.
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04-15-2014, 10:38 AM
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Prices are one big difference between the two
All the years seem to be good cars but if I had to choose, I would stick with the 05-06 211 and 08 up 63. Like others have said, if you want to mod, then go 55 but if you just want 500 hp with maybe a loud exhaust, then go 63
All the years seem to be good cars but if I had to choose, I would stick with the 05-06 211 and 08 up 63. Like others have said, if you want to mod, then go 55 but if you just want 500 hp with maybe a loud exhaust, then go 63
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04-15-2014, 10:10 PM
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thanks for the replies guys! The e63 has everything i'm looking for in my next beast.. but so does the e60 m5. I'm going to test drive an e63 and see if i like that as much as the e60.
Just for the hell of it.. here's a couple of shots of my e39:
and a video of a pre-tune dyno pull.. enjoy the sound
Just for the hell of it.. here's a couple of shots of my e39:
and a video of a pre-tune dyno pull.. enjoy the sound
04-16-2014, 04:30 AM
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As cars have grown bigger over the years the E39 looks small on the road, both width and length and it's also less muscular but my GOD does that front look sinister and sexy. It's such a sexy car I miss mine alot, mostly in a sentimental way. My E55 is better in every way but I have so much memories with the E39 
I like wide and large cars though with presence. Even the W211 disappoints me when it comes to width. It should have been 2-3 wider and maybe 3-4 inches longer, the rear section after the back door just doesn't match the flow of the front, it looks stubby sometimes. The new cars are wider (W212) though and a little longer. I didn't like the W212 when it first came out but as soon as I saw it in real life I saw how much THICKER it was than the W211. It's just a fatter car and therefore has more presence.
You won't be disappointed with a W211 E63, they are so sexy and the interior is just timeless, honestly this interior just doesn't feel dated. I actually prefer the back seats and the whole back compartment of the W211 to the W212. The E39's interior is dated now but the W211 simply isn't especially in the E63. It's such a well layed out and nice feeling interior. Good luck
I like wide and large cars though with presence. Even the W211 disappoints me when it comes to width. It should have been 2-3 wider and maybe 3-4 inches longer, the rear section after the back door just doesn't match the flow of the front, it looks stubby sometimes. The new cars are wider (W212) though and a little longer. I didn't like the W212 when it first came out but as soon as I saw it in real life I saw how much THICKER it was than the W211. It's just a fatter car and therefore has more presence. You won't be disappointed with a W211 E63, they are so sexy and the interior is just timeless, honestly this interior just doesn't feel dated. I actually prefer the back seats and the whole back compartment of the W211 to the W212. The E39's interior is dated now but the W211 simply isn't especially in the E63. It's such a well layed out and nice feeling interior. Good luck
04-16-2014, 08:00 AM
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I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the Mercedes is going to give you a bit fewer maintenance issues than the BMW. And the E60 with that V10 was disappointing to me, a former E39 M5 owner. I missed the torque.
If you are all about handling and braking, the BMW is the car for you. If you like that push-you-back-in-the-seat torque that you get from the E39, you won't get it in the E60. In that case I'd vote for the Mercedes.
I considered the E63 when I was shopping but I cheaped-out and went for a basic car. I don't really need the power. OK, who really "needs" it, but we all want it!
If you are all about handling and braking, the BMW is the car for you. If you like that push-you-back-in-the-seat torque that you get from the E39, you won't get it in the E60. In that case I'd vote for the Mercedes.
I considered the E63 when I was shopping but I cheaped-out and went for a basic car. I don't really need the power. OK, who really "needs" it, but we all want it!
04-16-2014, 10:55 AM
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I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the Mercedes is going to give you a bit fewer maintenance issues than the BMW. And the E60 with that V10 was disappointing to me, a former E39 M5 owner. I missed the torque.
If you are all about handling and braking, the BMW is the car for you. If you like that push-you-back-in-the-seat torque that you get from the E39, you won't get it in the E60. In that case I'd vote for the Mercedes.
I considered the E63 when I was shopping but I cheaped-out and went for a basic car. I don't really need the power. OK, who really "needs" it, but we all want it!
If you are all about handling and braking, the BMW is the car for you. If you like that push-you-back-in-the-seat torque that you get from the E39, you won't get it in the E60. In that case I'd vote for the Mercedes.
I considered the E63 when I was shopping but I cheaped-out and went for a basic car. I don't really need the power. OK, who really "needs" it, but we all want it!
It seems that the 08-09 e63s are less expensive than the 08 e60s so that's a plus. The two e63s I'm looking at are grossly overpriced though so if the sellers won't be reasonable with their price I'll probably end up in an e60. Thanks for the input guys!
04-16-2014, 01:49 PM
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First off, Beautiful E39!
Speaking from a stock E63 standpoint
Pros:
-Timeless look ( I have been asked by a older S class coupe mercedes owner if this was the "new e63" We chatted a bit, complimenting each others' cars and he was really surprised that it was a 6.2L engine. which brings me to the next point.
- The 6.2L engine. This truly is a muscle car in today's hybrid/electric, twin turbo world. It's a soon to be dinosaur with Mercedes switching out for twin turbo and smaller displacement engines. Sure the smaller motors are probably more efficient, more powerful, and quicker around the lap, but its the smiles I can't wipe off my face when starting the car on a cold morning. The smile from running up a gear and letting go of the gas to hear the exhaust pop, the endless wave of torque and that menacing gurgle when you shoot closer to the 7,200 rpm redline. All in a car that can be driven like an ordinary E350.
- With that the drivability. When you think 500 hp, you think tires screeching, loud idling cams, an aggressive stance. This car can do some of those things, but the real beauty is it doesn't have to. You can drive it like a regular v6 e class. The transmission shifts smoothly, there are 7 gears, and in comfort mode it just hums along, keeping all 500 horses on reserve. There really is a dual nature to the car, and it's your choice if you want to be Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.
Cons:
-Gas. Self explanatory, but I have been getting MPG in the single digits (not complaining, I knew what I signed up for)
-Oil. This car is constantly in a parched state of mind, and likes to drink it. Make sure to check on your oil levels weekly.
- Modablility. You are going to have to put in a lot more $$$ to get the same power gains a twin turbo, or supercharged car would give you (at a fraction of the cost).
- The transmission is good, but not great. The 5spd in E55 while a lot more raw, can hold more power (only becomes an issue if you wish to mod) What I mean by not great is that sometimes the car and me are not in synch. Whether it be a downshift too late, or an up shift too soon.
- the 6.2L engines have been documented from suffering from head bolt issues, that can lead to blown engines in the worst case scenario. Now personally, I don't know of one person with this issue, and have heard of many e63 owners with 90,000+ miles and still running strong, but again this is my personal opinion, it has been documented and has happened to a few unfortunate owners. I suggest you look into it for you own sake.
-No where to run. All this power and I only use a fraction of what it can do. Maybe a good thing on my part tho.
Please keep us updated when you do come to a decision.
Dr. Jekyll
Mr Hyde
Speaking from a stock E63 standpoint
Pros:
-Timeless look ( I have been asked by a older S class coupe mercedes owner if this was the "new e63" We chatted a bit, complimenting each others' cars and he was really surprised that it was a 6.2L engine. which brings me to the next point.
- The 6.2L engine. This truly is a muscle car in today's hybrid/electric, twin turbo world. It's a soon to be dinosaur with Mercedes switching out for twin turbo and smaller displacement engines. Sure the smaller motors are probably more efficient, more powerful, and quicker around the lap, but its the smiles I can't wipe off my face when starting the car on a cold morning. The smile from running up a gear and letting go of the gas to hear the exhaust pop, the endless wave of torque and that menacing gurgle when you shoot closer to the 7,200 rpm redline. All in a car that can be driven like an ordinary E350.
- With that the drivability. When you think 500 hp, you think tires screeching, loud idling cams, an aggressive stance. This car can do some of those things, but the real beauty is it doesn't have to. You can drive it like a regular v6 e class. The transmission shifts smoothly, there are 7 gears, and in comfort mode it just hums along, keeping all 500 horses on reserve. There really is a dual nature to the car, and it's your choice if you want to be Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.
Cons:
-Gas. Self explanatory, but I have been getting MPG in the single digits (not complaining, I knew what I signed up for)
-Oil. This car is constantly in a parched state of mind, and likes to drink it. Make sure to check on your oil levels weekly.
- Modablility. You are going to have to put in a lot more $$$ to get the same power gains a twin turbo, or supercharged car would give you (at a fraction of the cost).
- The transmission is good, but not great. The 5spd in E55 while a lot more raw, can hold more power (only becomes an issue if you wish to mod) What I mean by not great is that sometimes the car and me are not in synch. Whether it be a downshift too late, or an up shift too soon.
- the 6.2L engines have been documented from suffering from head bolt issues, that can lead to blown engines in the worst case scenario. Now personally, I don't know of one person with this issue, and have heard of many e63 owners with 90,000+ miles and still running strong, but again this is my personal opinion, it has been documented and has happened to a few unfortunate owners. I suggest you look into it for you own sake.
-No where to run. All this power and I only use a fraction of what it can do. Maybe a good thing on my part tho.
Please keep us updated when you do come to a decision.
Dr. Jekyll
Mr Hyde
Last edited by fila0220; 04-16-2014 at 02:04 PM.
04-16-2014, 02:12 PM
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While I love my E55 and love the E55s savage, unrefined, raw, animistic character I fell in love with the E63 when I drove it. Believe me it's ALOT more refined, it feels better, tighter and just smoother. It's not a better car, the cars are just different. Honestly they may have the same chassis but they feel way different. Test drive them both and see what you like. The E63 isn't mod-unfriendly, it's just more expensive to mod. Personally I can't choose between them, they're both special in their own way. The E63 though can be had in MY09 which means most of the problems with the W211 were solved and worked out. It has alot better gear like,
1. The steering rack is faster/different
2. If you get an 09 you'll get the NTG 2.5 COMAND headunit which is a HUGE improvement
3. The facelift which took the car and made it too beautiful and just made it so complete that even in 2014 it looks like a brand new car while the pre-facelift has aged alot (you can do these changes but it is a bit of a hassle)
4. Better reliability as the facelift cars were named some of the most reliable cars in Europe which happens as they fix the kinks throughout the years.
5. The interior details like the black cluster, the nicer shift lever, on some models the steering wheel (CLK63 BS steering wheel).
6. Getting rid of SBC, the crappy braking system Mercedes scrapped after realizing how numb it feels and believe me the E63's brakes feel better, alot better.
Chances are the E63 will be a lower mileage and newer car and has all these amazing upgrades while being very nice to drive, very tight and fast and that SOUND!!!
Good luck, ultimately you're gonna have to try them both and see which you like better.
1. The steering rack is faster/different
2. If you get an 09 you'll get the NTG 2.5 COMAND headunit which is a HUGE improvement
3. The facelift which took the car and made it too beautiful and just made it so complete that even in 2014 it looks like a brand new car while the pre-facelift has aged alot (you can do these changes but it is a bit of a hassle)
4. Better reliability as the facelift cars were named some of the most reliable cars in Europe which happens as they fix the kinks throughout the years.
5. The interior details like the black cluster, the nicer shift lever, on some models the steering wheel (CLK63 BS steering wheel).
6. Getting rid of SBC, the crappy braking system Mercedes scrapped after realizing how numb it feels and believe me the E63's brakes feel better, alot better.
Chances are the E63 will be a lower mileage and newer car and has all these amazing upgrades while being very nice to drive, very tight and fast and that SOUND!!!
Good luck, ultimately you're gonna have to try them both and see which you like better.
04-16-2014, 03:11 PM
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I love the crap out of my car, but I have two big gripes with it. I've driven a rental Cobalt that had a better HVAC system. It's just weak in the a/c department. If you have been anywhere that is grossly hot and humid (i.e. Gulf Coast), you know what I'm talking about.
The $450 I spent upgrading my Camry's stereo has made it better sounding and more user friendly than the overly and needlessly-complex system in the E.
The $450 I spent upgrading my Camry's stereo has made it better sounding and more user friendly than the overly and needlessly-complex system in the E.
04-16-2014, 03:17 PM
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). I'll do the swap soon because I'm really scared of the Airmatic dumping. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the Mercedes is going to give you a bit fewer maintenance issues than the BMW. And the E60 with that V10 was disappointing to me, a former E39 M5 owner. I missed the torque.
If you are all about handling and braking, the BMW is the car for you. If you like that push-you-back-in-the-seat torque that you get from the E39, you won't get it in the E60. In that case I'd vote for the Mercedes.
I considered the E63 when I was shopping but I cheaped-out and went for a basic car. I don't really need the power. OK, who really "needs" it, but we all want it!
If you are all about handling and braking, the BMW is the car for you. If you like that push-you-back-in-the-seat torque that you get from the E39, you won't get it in the E60. In that case I'd vote for the Mercedes.
I considered the E63 when I was shopping but I cheaped-out and went for a basic car. I don't really need the power. OK, who really "needs" it, but we all want it!
First off, Beautiful E39!
Speaking from a stock E63 standpoint
Pros:
-Timeless look ( I have been asked by a older S class coupe mercedes owner if this was the "new e63" We chatted a bit, complimenting each others' cars and he was really surprised that it was a 6.2L engine. which brings me to the next point.
- The 6.2L engine. This truly is a muscle car in today's hybrid/electric, twin turbo world. It's a soon to be dinosaur with Mercedes switching out for twin turbo and smaller displacement engines. Sure the smaller motors are probably more efficient, more powerful, and quicker around the lap, but its the smiles I can't wipe off my face when starting the car on a cold morning. The smile from running up a gear and letting go of the gas to hear the exhaust pop, the endless wave of torque and that menacing gurgle when you shoot closer to the 7,200 rpm redline. All in a car that can be driven like an ordinary E350.
- With that the drivability. When you think 500 hp, you think tires screeching, loud idling cams, an aggressive stance. This car can do some of those things, but the real beauty is it doesn't have to. You can drive it like a regular v6 e class. The transmission shifts smoothly, there are 7 gears, and in comfort mode it just hums along, keeping all 500 horses on reserve. There really is a dual nature to the car, and it's your choice if you want to be Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.
Cons:
-Gas. Self explanatory, but I have been getting MPG in the single digits (not complaining, I knew what I signed up for)
-Oil. This car is constantly in a parched state of mind, and likes to drink it. Make sure to check on your oil levels weekly.
- Modablility. You are going to have to put in a lot more $$$ to get the same power gains a twin turbo, or supercharged car would give you (at a fraction of the cost).
- The transmission is good, but not great. The 5spd in E55 while a lot more raw, can hold more power (only becomes an issue if you wish to mod) What I mean by not great is that sometimes the car and me are not in synch. Whether it be a downshift too late, or an up shift too soon.
- the 6.2L engines have been documented from suffering from head bolt issues, that can lead to blown engines in the worst case scenario. Now personally, I don't know of one person with this issue, and have heard of many e63 owners with 90,000+ miles and still running strong, but again this is my personal opinion, it has been documented and has happened to a few unfortunate owners. I suggest you look into it for you own sake.
-No where to run. All this power and I only use a fraction of what it can do. Maybe a good thing on my part tho.
Please keep us updated when you do come to a decision.
Dr. Jekyll
Mr Hyde
Speaking from a stock E63 standpoint
Pros:
-Timeless look ( I have been asked by a older S class coupe mercedes owner if this was the "new e63" We chatted a bit, complimenting each others' cars and he was really surprised that it was a 6.2L engine. which brings me to the next point.
- The 6.2L engine. This truly is a muscle car in today's hybrid/electric, twin turbo world. It's a soon to be dinosaur with Mercedes switching out for twin turbo and smaller displacement engines. Sure the smaller motors are probably more efficient, more powerful, and quicker around the lap, but its the smiles I can't wipe off my face when starting the car on a cold morning. The smile from running up a gear and letting go of the gas to hear the exhaust pop, the endless wave of torque and that menacing gurgle when you shoot closer to the 7,200 rpm redline. All in a car that can be driven like an ordinary E350.
- With that the drivability. When you think 500 hp, you think tires screeching, loud idling cams, an aggressive stance. This car can do some of those things, but the real beauty is it doesn't have to. You can drive it like a regular v6 e class. The transmission shifts smoothly, there are 7 gears, and in comfort mode it just hums along, keeping all 500 horses on reserve. There really is a dual nature to the car, and it's your choice if you want to be Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.
Cons:
-Gas. Self explanatory, but I have been getting MPG in the single digits (not complaining, I knew what I signed up for)
-Oil. This car is constantly in a parched state of mind, and likes to drink it. Make sure to check on your oil levels weekly.
- Modablility. You are going to have to put in a lot more $$$ to get the same power gains a twin turbo, or supercharged car would give you (at a fraction of the cost).
- The transmission is good, but not great. The 5spd in E55 while a lot more raw, can hold more power (only becomes an issue if you wish to mod) What I mean by not great is that sometimes the car and me are not in synch. Whether it be a downshift too late, or an up shift too soon.
- the 6.2L engines have been documented from suffering from head bolt issues, that can lead to blown engines in the worst case scenario. Now personally, I don't know of one person with this issue, and have heard of many e63 owners with 90,000+ miles and still running strong, but again this is my personal opinion, it has been documented and has happened to a few unfortunate owners. I suggest you look into it for you own sake.
-No where to run. All this power and I only use a fraction of what it can do. Maybe a good thing on my part tho.
Please keep us updated when you do come to a decision.
Dr. Jekyll
Mr Hyde
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04-16-2014, 03:40 PM
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04-16-2014, 03:55 PM
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04-16-2014, 04:20 PM
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Guys what are the key differences between the 07 and 08? Apparently the 07 is the year to steer clear from.. But why?
04-16-2014, 06:37 PM
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I never understood this hate for the E60 M5's looks. Honestly I just can't see why it's ugly. To me it looks really good, really sharp and sexy and superior to the F10 even. I like the E39 in a sentimental, old friend kind of way but the E60 is much more aggressive, has alot more presence and is alot more sexy. It looks gorgeous to me, again I'm a Mercedes guy strictly but the E60 is stunning. Jeremy Clarkson called it ugly too and I've heard alot of others say it. Can someone pleas explain this to me?
04-16-2014, 07:02 PM
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I never understood this hate for the E60 M5's looks. Honestly I just can't see why it's ugly. To me it looks really good, really sharp and sexy and superior to the F10 even. I like the E39 in a sentimental, old friend kind of way but the E60 is much more aggressive, has alot more presence and is alot more sexy. It looks gorgeous to me, again I'm a Mercedes guy strictly but the E60 is stunning. Jeremy Clarkson called it ugly too and I've heard alot of others say it. Can someone pleas explain this to me?
