M113K in E500 4Matic Wagon
05-22-2015, 02:27 PM
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M113K in E500 4Matic Wagon
Hey Guys,
Seeing the drop in the price of M113K motors, I am contemplating the swap on my E500 4Matic wagon. Do you think the 4Matic drivetrain can handle the torque? I'm not looking to beat on it, just to have a fun, "reliable" daily. Anything else I would need to know about the swap that comes to mind for you guys?
Thanks in advance
Here's a pic of the wagon for good measure:
Seeing the drop in the price of M113K motors, I am contemplating the swap on my E500 4Matic wagon. Do you think the 4Matic drivetrain can handle the torque? I'm not looking to beat on it, just to have a fun, "reliable" daily. Anything else I would need to know about the swap that comes to mind for you guys?
Thanks in advance
Here's a pic of the wagon for good measure:
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05-22-2015, 09:59 PM
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As far as the drivetrain handling the power? It probably would as long as you didn't take it to the drag strip and launch it or be abusive to it. Even if something does break, E500 parts are cheap. Go for it
05-22-2015, 10:17 PM
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Tq limiters, wheel speed sensors, wiring harness, ECU, TCU all have to be in sync. It would be a great swap as long as it holds. Good luck to you!
05-22-2015, 11:32 PM
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AWD it would scream.
I like the idea of a 7G transmission AWD wagon, with dirt cheap M113K engine. Any big issues with that?
Update: W211 only had 5G transmission for AWD models.
W212 did offer AWD. Still too expensive to project car it.
I like the idea of a 7G transmission AWD wagon, with dirt cheap M113K engine. Any big issues with that?
Update: W211 only had 5G transmission for AWD models.
W212 did offer AWD. Still too expensive to project car it.
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05-23-2015, 08:45 AM
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What's the point, it's not 60 ft that's holding back the quarter mile times in the E55s, it's the power. All you're gonna do is sap more power. The 4matic is no Audi AWD system. It's not a Nissan GT-R either. Mercedes didn't just take the 4matic and put it into the AMG for the new S models, they designed a 4matic for the AMG.
I do like the idea of an E500 wagon 4matic with an E55 motor swap. It's been done before to a CLS500. He even used the oil pan from the CLS500 motor. He also had the 7 spd for a while with the 55k engine, the ESP didn't work but he said that it held up.
http://www.benzinsider.com/2011/02/d...modifications/
I do like the idea of an E500 wagon 4matic with an E55 motor swap. It's been done before to a CLS500. He even used the oil pan from the CLS500 motor. He also had the 7 spd for a while with the 55k engine, the ESP didn't work but he said that it held up.
http://www.benzinsider.com/2011/02/d...modifications/
05-23-2015, 11:32 AM
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I'm liking what I'm hearing so far.
How about headers with the transfer case? Do you think I would need to have a set custom fabbed? Or would I still have the clearance?
How about headers with the transfer case? Do you think I would need to have a set custom fabbed? Or would I still have the clearance?
05-23-2015, 11:34 AM
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65 Chevelle Wagon w/ C5 frame, 08 ML63, 04 S600, 04 E55,(sold) 00 ML55,(sold) 98 C43-55K Swap
Anything can be done with enough money but prepare to weld in a new floor. 2wd cars don't have the room for a t case.
Ocklasse -
You may be able to fit stock replacement log or shorty style headers. Anything else would need to be custom.
I know Rudy with his awd w203 swapped with a 112k engine needed to use the stock awd manifolds. But that's a w203.
Ocklasse -
You may be able to fit stock replacement log or shorty style headers. Anything else would need to be custom.
I know Rudy with his awd w203 swapped with a 112k engine needed to use the stock awd manifolds. But that's a w203.
05-23-2015, 08:30 PM
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engine swap is easier on Japanese cars.... I don't think this is a good Idea unless your pocket is super deep... I believe you will run into many unexpected problems....
people are droping c32 engine into clk or whatever and these projects always stops halfway... you always see pictures of the motor dropped in but never run properly.
good luck tho
people are droping c32 engine into clk or whatever and these projects always stops halfway... you always see pictures of the motor dropped in but never run properly.
good luck tho
05-23-2015, 08:48 PM
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Why do people think doing an engine swap on a Mercedes is hard? Mercedes isn't some special technology that no one can manipulate, it's just like any other car. The biggest problem is the electronics, which is a pita I admit, but ultimately it's not that different to any other swap. I have seen so many INSANE engine swaps before yet people seem to think an engine pretty much identical to the one in the car which is made by the same company is hard to put in. Stop putting it on a pedestal and just do it. This honestly isn't an expensive swap, for what M113ks are going for in the states I'm surprised no one has done it yet.
05-23-2015, 09:05 PM
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Yea, it is a pretty easy swap in all reality.
I'm doing a 113k swap in my c43. It requires a little more work because I need to change a few more modules to "update" it to late model w208 electronics. 2000 c43's are updated and very rare but mine is a 98 and clk parts are easier to find.
A e500 should be about as easy as it gets. It should literally bolt in and the harness should plug in. Coding is the only issue but it isn't difficult. I know Speedriven and/or Rudy compart (rcompart) could do it, as well as others I'm sure.
I'm doing a 113k swap in my c43. It requires a little more work because I need to change a few more modules to "update" it to late model w208 electronics. 2000 c43's are updated and very rare but mine is a 98 and clk parts are easier to find.
A e500 should be about as easy as it gets. It should literally bolt in and the harness should plug in. Coding is the only issue but it isn't difficult. I know Speedriven and/or Rudy compart (rcompart) could do it, as well as others I'm sure.
05-23-2015, 09:32 PM
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Why do people think doing an engine swap on a Mercedes is hard? Mercedes isn't some special technology that no one can manipulate, it's just like any other car. The biggest problem is the electronics, which is a pita I admit, but ultimately it's not that different to any other swap. I have seen so many INSANE engine swaps before yet people seem to think an engine pretty much identical to the one in the car which is made by the same company is hard to put in. Stop putting it on a pedestal and just do it. This honestly isn't an expensive swap, for what M113ks are going for in the states I'm surprised no one has done it yet.
Yea, it is a pretty easy swap in all reality.
I'm doing a 113k swap in my c43. It requires a little more work because I need to change a few more modules to "update" it to late model w208 electronics. 2000 c43's are updated and very rare but mine is a 98 and clk parts are easier to find.
A e500 should be about as easy as it gets. It should literally bolt in and the harness should plug in. Coding is the only issue but it isn't difficult. I know Speedriven and/or Rudy compart (rcompart) could do it, as well as others I'm sure.
I'm doing a 113k swap in my c43. It requires a little more work because I need to change a few more modules to "update" it to late model w208 electronics. 2000 c43's are updated and very rare but mine is a 98 and clk parts are easier to find.
A e500 should be about as easy as it gets. It should literally bolt in and the harness should plug in. Coding is the only issue but it isn't difficult. I know Speedriven and/or Rudy compart (rcompart) could do it, as well as others I'm sure.
ok ..... good luck to you
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05-24-2015, 04:10 AM
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Yea, it is a pretty easy swap in all reality.
I'm doing a 113k swap in my c43. It requires a little more work because I need to change a few more modules to "update" it to late model w208 electronics. 2000 c43's are updated and very rare but mine is a 98 and clk parts are easier to find.
A e500 should be about as easy as it gets. It should literally bolt in and the harness should plug in. Coding is the only issue but it isn't difficult. I know Speedriven and/or Rudy compart (rcompart) could do it, as well as others I'm sure.
I'm doing a 113k swap in my c43. It requires a little more work because I need to change a few more modules to "update" it to late model w208 electronics. 2000 c43's are updated and very rare but mine is a 98 and clk parts are easier to find.
A e500 should be about as easy as it gets. It should literally bolt in and the harness should plug in. Coding is the only issue but it isn't difficult. I know Speedriven and/or Rudy compart (rcompart) could do it, as well as others I'm sure.
What if you have an E55 ECU and key and DME from an actual E55, would the coding issue be eliminated as well?
05-24-2015, 08:32 AM
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Are you saying that the E500s engine harness is the same as the E55s and the engine just plugs right in with no additional sensors or anything and only coding is needed?
What if you have an E55 ECU and key and DME from an actual E55, would the coding issue be eliminated as well?
What if you have an E55 ECU and key and DME from an actual E55, would the coding issue be eliminated as well?
You would still need to code the trans control unit for the different gear ratios. I'm pretty sure you need the Amg tcu as well.
05-24-2015, 10:18 AM
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Which one is the Amg 2.8.1 m.e. by the way? I have all the computers but I don't actually know which is which. They have their respective part numbers on them but I just put them in the garage without identifying each. Is it the one sitting on a metal plate with a wide connector going to it?
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05-24-2015, 11:13 AM
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Should have 5 plugs on it and say "8zyl" (8 cylinder) on it.
The m.e I have is pn 113 153 60 79. There may be other part numbers for Amg m.e 2.8.1 though.
To swap into a non Amg will be more work but if you have a parts car it should be easy. A 4-matic will need the oil pan swapped as well as possibly a oil pump that may need to be modified to work by mixing parts. Non supercharged 113's have a different oil pump bolt pattern on the block than a 113k.
The m.e I have is pn 113 153 60 79. There may be other part numbers for Amg m.e 2.8.1 though.
To swap into a non Amg will be more work but if you have a parts car it should be easy. A 4-matic will need the oil pan swapped as well as possibly a oil pump that may need to be modified to work by mixing parts. Non supercharged 113's have a different oil pump bolt pattern on the block than a 113k.
05-24-2015, 11:42 PM
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Should have 5 plugs on it and say "8zyl" (8 cylinder) on it.
The m.e I have is pn 113 153 60 79. There may be other part numbers for Amg m.e 2.8.1 though.
To swap into a non Amg will be more work but if you have a parts car it should be easy. A 4-matic will need the oil pan swapped as well as possibly a oil pump that may need to be modified to work by mixing parts. Non supercharged 113's have a different oil pump bolt pattern on the block than a 113k.
The m.e I have is pn 113 153 60 79. There may be other part numbers for Amg m.e 2.8.1 though.
To swap into a non Amg will be more work but if you have a parts car it should be easy. A 4-matic will need the oil pan swapped as well as possibly a oil pump that may need to be modified to work by mixing parts. Non supercharged 113's have a different oil pump bolt pattern on the block than a 113k.
05-25-2015, 02:33 PM
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engine swap is easier on Japanese cars.... I don't think this is a good Idea unless your pocket is super deep... I believe you will run into many unexpected problems....
people are droping c32 engine into clk or whatever and these projects always stops halfway... you always see pictures of the motor dropped in but never run properly.
good luck tho
people are droping c32 engine into clk or whatever and these projects always stops halfway... you always see pictures of the motor dropped in but never run properly.
good luck tho
