Great video from Russia on e55 torque converter!
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Hello Everyone.
I speak Russian and i can try to translate this video. I am not very technical in automobile industry and some words i would have to look up in dictionary. But i would bet we can get the general idea.
He drives e55 amg with 145000 kilometers(around 90k miles). it has around 600hp.
He is talking about 3 things in this video: flywheel, Torque converter (TQ) and valve body.
In short:
Flywheel.
His flywheel broke down and it was difficult to diagnose it. Something broke down and it began to rattle and they had to take off transmission and found broken flywheel.
Micro cracks, then middle section GOT BIG CRACKS (flywheel with black arrows, in the video you can hear how it rattles).
He thinks the cаuse was 3 rivets (video time 3:09). Those rivets got loose (video time 3:22). So the middle section of flywheel is not centered even those those TQ bolts go thru it. those bolts are not centered ether. (video time 3:35) The rivets become loose with time and it creates vibration so the middle section is getting big cracks because of it. So in general all the power from motor to transmission is holding on those 3 small, little rivets. (Video time 3:55-4:19)
He looked at the part number of flywheel (112 032 02 47). He says this flywheel also gets installed on m112 motor (e280, e320). He was surprised that Mercedes installed this flywheel on the car with almost 500hp and bunch of torque. (video time 4:20-5:05)
Torque Converter.
They took TQ apart. Replaced clutch packs, annular rubber ring for piston (don't know what is the technical word for it, overhaul kit for TQ.) and checked for play/loose that shiny thing in the muddle of TQ (guy's finger at video time 6:47) The technician says with time it becomes loose and output shaft plays in it. (bare with me, i don't really know what is the right English words for it. doing my best). it has a big/out of stock gap. (video time 7:00-7:10)That shiny thing is made of aluminium but they replaced it with steel one. (Video time 7:34-7:50) They put everything back together, check TQ for impermeability. (Video time 8:30-9:12)
Valve Body.
In this video section they cleaned valve body and installed Master Overlap Valve Sleeve Kit for better and firmer shift. He is not advertising any product. I think this kit is from Sonnax. I installed this kit myself. (http://www.sonnax.com/parts/2317-mas...lve-sleeve-kit).
Basically that is it. If someone wants to know more specific what he is talking about then let me know what time in video (from-to).
Thank You,
Arseniy Sumskoy
P.S. Apologize for my English. Did my best.
I speak Russian and i can try to translate this video. I am not very technical in automobile industry and some words i would have to look up in dictionary. But i would bet we can get the general idea.
He drives e55 amg with 145000 kilometers(around 90k miles). it has around 600hp.
He is talking about 3 things in this video: flywheel, Torque converter (TQ) and valve body.
In short:
Flywheel.
His flywheel broke down and it was difficult to diagnose it. Something broke down and it began to rattle and they had to take off transmission and found broken flywheel.
Micro cracks, then middle section GOT BIG CRACKS (flywheel with black arrows, in the video you can hear how it rattles).
He thinks the cаuse was 3 rivets (video time 3:09). Those rivets got loose (video time 3:22). So the middle section of flywheel is not centered even those those TQ bolts go thru it. those bolts are not centered ether. (video time 3:35) The rivets become loose with time and it creates vibration so the middle section is getting big cracks because of it. So in general all the power from motor to transmission is holding on those 3 small, little rivets. (Video time 3:55-4:19)
He looked at the part number of flywheel (112 032 02 47). He says this flywheel also gets installed on m112 motor (e280, e320). He was surprised that Mercedes installed this flywheel on the car with almost 500hp and bunch of torque. (video time 4:20-5:05)
Torque Converter.
They took TQ apart. Replaced clutch packs, annular rubber ring for piston (don't know what is the technical word for it, overhaul kit for TQ.) and checked for play/loose that shiny thing in the muddle of TQ (guy's finger at video time 6:47) The technician says with time it becomes loose and output shaft plays in it. (bare with me, i don't really know what is the right English words for it. doing my best). it has a big/out of stock gap. (video time 7:00-7:10)That shiny thing is made of aluminium but they replaced it with steel one. (Video time 7:34-7:50) They put everything back together, check TQ for impermeability. (Video time 8:30-9:12)
Valve Body.
In this video section they cleaned valve body and installed Master Overlap Valve Sleeve Kit for better and firmer shift. He is not advertising any product. I think this kit is from Sonnax. I installed this kit myself. (http://www.sonnax.com/parts/2317-mas...lve-sleeve-kit).
Basically that is it. If someone wants to know more specific what he is talking about then let me know what time in video (from-to).
Thank You,
Arseniy Sumskoy
P.S. Apologize for my English. Did my best.
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Thats awesome thank you.
So the cracked flex plate was most likely caused by a previous misaligned installation? Makes sense to me as it doesnt seem to be that common a failure.
So the cracked flex plate was most likely caused by a previous misaligned installation? Makes sense to me as it doesnt seem to be that common a failure.
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OP thanks for sharing and Nafania, thank you for taking the time to share the translation!
I am also running the sonnax sleeves in my 06 after my recent trans refresh and I must say i did not notice much of a difference. Did you notice much difference with your car?
On a side note, I am impressed that his torque converter clutch didn't look more worn than it did.
I am also running the sonnax sleeves in my 06 after my recent trans refresh and I must say i did not notice much of a difference. Did you notice much difference with your car?
On a side note, I am impressed that his torque converter clutch didn't look more worn than it did.
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I didn't notice any difference either. I must say that my car is 2003 and i already had blue top solenoids. I was shocked when we took off valve body and saw them. Spent 400$ for nothing.
I was counting on valve sleeves but that didn't give any impression either. So i spent those money and didn't get any improvement.
I didn't notice any difference either. I must say that my car is 2003 and i already had blue top solenoids. I was shocked when we took off valve body and saw them. Spent 400$ for nothing.
I was counting on valve sleeves but that didn't give any impression either. So i spent those money and didn't get any improvement.
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Yeah I fell ya on that one man. My car also had the blue tops so my hope was for a drastic difference with the overlap sleeves. I have a failing trans mount so that may be part of the lack of improvement. Seems there is not much to be had with upgrades to these transmissions / valve bodies when they already have blue tops. I guess we can look at it as preventative maintenance with the O-Ring design which should help prevent fluid pressure loss vs the stock machined fit seal. On the bright side at least I have a clean valve body now too .