Michelin vs. Michelin
02-15-2017, 03:11 PM
#26
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I'm starting to lean towards A/S 3's. No one has complained about performance and of course it would be great to get reasonable miles out of a set. I would be happy to get 20k! Only down side is my heart was set on PSS to see what kinda times I'd run at the track.
02-15-2017, 08:48 PM
#27
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I have a brand new set of PSS's that were put on in November. I will echo what others here have said in that they are pretty close to useless in temps below 40 degrees. I have winter tires/wheels, so its a non issue, but its something to consider depending on where you live and if this is your only set of wheels/tires.
I will buy them again though (or whatever variant they make next) when these wear out.
I will buy them again though (or whatever variant they make next) when these wear out.
02-16-2017, 10:28 AM
#28
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I have a brand new set of PSS's that were put on in November. I will echo what others here have said in that they are pretty close to useless in temps below 40 degrees. I have winter tires/wheels, so its a non issue, but its something to consider depending on where you live and if this is your only set of wheels/tires.
I will buy them again though (or whatever variant they make next) when these wear out.
I will buy them again though (or whatever variant they make next) when these wear out.
02-16-2017, 12:49 PM
#29
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Cold weather performance is not really a concern for me. It's not a DD. Have you had PSS before? If so, how many miles did they last? What I'm really trying to ascertain is the difference in grip between the PSS and A/S 3. I'm hoping someone that has had both will chime in.
I have never owned A/S 3's. Sorry I can't help out with a comparison.
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05-E55 (02-16-2017)
02-16-2017, 02:24 PM
#30
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Cold weather performance is not really a concern for me. It's not a DD. Have you had PSS before? If so, how many miles did they last? What I'm really trying to ascertain is the difference in grip between the PSS and A/S 3. I'm hoping someone that has had both will chime in.
AS3+
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...Speed+Rated%29
PSS
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...ot+Super+Sport
Lots of good info there.
That said, if you go solely by their survey results, the AS3+ wins...
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05-E55 (02-16-2017)
02-16-2017, 03:26 PM
#31
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Not sure if you are aware, but tirerack did testing on both the AS3+ and the PSS:
AS3+
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...Speed+Rated%29
PSS
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...ot+Super+Sport
Lots of good info there.
That said, if you go solely by their survey results, the AS3+ wins...
AS3+
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...Speed+Rated%29
PSS
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...ot+Super+Sport
Lots of good info there.
That said, if you go solely by their survey results, the AS3+ wins...
02-16-2017, 07:47 PM
#32
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Tirerack user ratings always seem great on newer tires, AS3+ total miles at 350K. PSS highly rated after 7.5 million. But I still think an all season makes sense. Better tread life and excellent grip in varied conditions. If you want a track tire I wonder if a drag radial wouldn't be better? If you were just going to try it once then do it on all seasons.
02-16-2017, 09:24 PM
#33
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Tirerack user ratings always seem great on newer tires, AS3+ total miles at 350K. PSS highly rated after 7.5 million. But I still think an all season makes sense. Better tread life and excellent grip in varied conditions. If you want a track tire I wonder if a drag radial wouldn't be better? If you were just going to try it once then do it on all seasons.
Good point. I like going to the track periodically. Often wished I had a set of DR on CLK rims but probably won't happen. Not many floating around CO and I'm not really interested in paying for shipping wheels.
02-18-2017, 10:17 AM
#34
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I currently have PSS on my E55.
However, I've driven two BMW M3 vehicles at length; one had PSS, one had PS-AS3+. Same wheel and tire size, both same year, both virtually brand new (both had right around 1000-2000 miles on them), and both on the same roads at the same time of year. Here are my thoughts:
1. PS-AS3+ supposedly will have longer life, treadwear rating is higher, mileage warranty is higher.
2. I live in California, weather is usually good, an all season tire is not necessary as a summer is sufficient.
3. PS-AS3+ rides significantly stiffer than the PSS, PSS is more comfortable. This surprised me.
4. I expected the PSS to be quieter; can't say I heard much of a difference to determine if either one was quieter.
5. PS-AS3+ costs a little more, but no major difference.
6. PS-AS3+ does perform significantly better in the wet. This is to be expected, but the difference was actually larger than I expected.
7. I'd like to say the PSS had better traction and better acceleration. I would assume/presume this. But in all honesty, I didn't notice any difference in this department; the difference may be so minute in the real world application that you have to go to a racetrack to see a true difference.
Overall, I recommend you give the PS-AS3+ a try. After driving the PS-AS3+, I do find I like the tire more than the PSS on the BMW M3. After my PSS tires wear out on my E55, I'm going to try a set of PS-AS3+s. Biggest caveat is the PS-AS3+ does seem to ride significantly harsher, possibly due to a stiffer sidewall?
However, I've driven two BMW M3 vehicles at length; one had PSS, one had PS-AS3+. Same wheel and tire size, both same year, both virtually brand new (both had right around 1000-2000 miles on them), and both on the same roads at the same time of year. Here are my thoughts:
1. PS-AS3+ supposedly will have longer life, treadwear rating is higher, mileage warranty is higher.
2. I live in California, weather is usually good, an all season tire is not necessary as a summer is sufficient.
3. PS-AS3+ rides significantly stiffer than the PSS, PSS is more comfortable. This surprised me.
4. I expected the PSS to be quieter; can't say I heard much of a difference to determine if either one was quieter.
5. PS-AS3+ costs a little more, but no major difference.
6. PS-AS3+ does perform significantly better in the wet. This is to be expected, but the difference was actually larger than I expected.
7. I'd like to say the PSS had better traction and better acceleration. I would assume/presume this. But in all honesty, I didn't notice any difference in this department; the difference may be so minute in the real world application that you have to go to a racetrack to see a true difference.
Overall, I recommend you give the PS-AS3+ a try. After driving the PS-AS3+, I do find I like the tire more than the PSS on the BMW M3. After my PSS tires wear out on my E55, I'm going to try a set of PS-AS3+s. Biggest caveat is the PS-AS3+ does seem to ride significantly harsher, possibly due to a stiffer sidewall?
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05-E55 (02-18-2017)
02-18-2017, 01:10 PM
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I currently have PSS on my E55.
However, I've driven two BMW M3 vehicles at length; one had PSS, one had PS-AS3+. Same wheel and tire size, both same year, both virtually brand new (both had right around 1000-2000 miles on them), and both on the same roads at the same time of year. Here are my thoughts:
1. PS-AS3+ supposedly will have longer life, treadwear rating is higher, mileage warranty is higher.
2. I live in California, weather is usually good, an all season tire is not necessary as a summer is sufficient.
3. PS-AS3+ rides significantly stiffer than the PSS, PSS is more comfortable. This surprised me.
4. I expected the PSS to be quieter; can't say I heard much of a difference to determine if either one was quieter.
5. PS-AS3+ costs a little more, but no major difference.
6. PS-AS3+ does perform significantly better in the wet. This is to be expected, but the difference was actually larger than I expected.
7. I'd like to say the PSS had better traction and better acceleration. I would assume/presume this. But in all honesty, I didn't notice any difference in this department; the difference may be so minute in the real world application that you have to go to a racetrack to see a true difference.
Overall, I recommend you give the PS-AS3+ a try. After driving the PS-AS3+, I do find I like the tire more than the PSS on the BMW M3. After my PSS tires wear out on my E55, I'm going to try a set of PS-AS3+s. Biggest caveat is the PS-AS3+ does seem to ride significantly harsher, possibly due to a stiffer sidewall?
However, I've driven two BMW M3 vehicles at length; one had PSS, one had PS-AS3+. Same wheel and tire size, both same year, both virtually brand new (both had right around 1000-2000 miles on them), and both on the same roads at the same time of year. Here are my thoughts:
1. PS-AS3+ supposedly will have longer life, treadwear rating is higher, mileage warranty is higher.
2. I live in California, weather is usually good, an all season tire is not necessary as a summer is sufficient.
3. PS-AS3+ rides significantly stiffer than the PSS, PSS is more comfortable. This surprised me.
4. I expected the PSS to be quieter; can't say I heard much of a difference to determine if either one was quieter.
5. PS-AS3+ costs a little more, but no major difference.
6. PS-AS3+ does perform significantly better in the wet. This is to be expected, but the difference was actually larger than I expected.
7. I'd like to say the PSS had better traction and better acceleration. I would assume/presume this. But in all honesty, I didn't notice any difference in this department; the difference may be so minute in the real world application that you have to go to a racetrack to see a true difference.
Overall, I recommend you give the PS-AS3+ a try. After driving the PS-AS3+, I do find I like the tire more than the PSS on the BMW M3. After my PSS tires wear out on my E55, I'm going to try a set of PS-AS3+s. Biggest caveat is the PS-AS3+ does seem to ride significantly harsher, possibly due to a stiffer sidewall?
02-21-2017, 02:14 AM
#36
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I have been running AS3s. After almost 20k miles, replaced them with AS3+. Very happy with them. Selected the AS3+ over the PSS primarily because of treadwear rating. I'm very impressed with their performance on dry pavement.
Others have mentioned that the new PS4
http://www.michelinman.com/US/en/tir...sport-4s.html#
If you can wait, you should. Good luck!
Others have mentioned that the new PS4
http://www.michelinman.com/US/en/tir...sport-4s.html#
If you can wait, you should. Good luck!
I have had my PSS on the car for just about 3 years. I am shocked it lasted this long. I am replacing them now but, Just thought I would share.
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05-E55 (02-22-2017)
02-21-2017, 10:35 AM
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06-24-2018, 01:39 PM
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I got right around 20K or 22K miles (I forgot) with the rear PSS. The front was only a couple thousand miles more not because of treadwear but because of inner tire wear due to the aggressive camber. The camber really kills the front tires.
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I have tried AS 3+ and AS 4 on my X3M and found that AS 4 outperforms AS 3+ in the majority of the categories. In wet roads, the AS4's traction and breaking distance are slightly better. AS 4 continues to work well on snow roads. It exhibits superior traction to the AS 3+.
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