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Old 01-29-2010, 02:01 PM   #1
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Post Couple Pics & short article on all-new upcoming M5....anyone have the scans of the wh

Does anyone have the scans of the new Car magazine which showcased even more new pictures and info on the all-new upcoming 2012 model M5? It seems like it will be an interesting sports sedan... extremely fast... most likely it will be much faster than the current E63 until the twin-turbo 63's come out ofcourse....
Below I put in the only good 4 pics and short articles I could find so far....
P.S. - So far this is what I've heard as true: 578 Horsepower bi-turbo 4.4 liter M V-8 Direct Injection, dual-clutch transmission, possibly KERS system or maybe not initially, maybe 4-wheel steering, carbon fiber and aluminum parts to save more weight... pretty cool stuff indeed..... E63's can apparently hit 60 MPH in 4.1 seconds all day long so this car should be lighter and with more power and faster transmission it should easily be in the 3's.....tuners are gonna have a field day with this thing....Now it's Benz's turn to fight back with their upcoming bi-turbo DI V-8 with dual-clutch trans coming in 2012..... BMW has just effectively continued the horsepower wars so this isn't over yet for atleast several more years.... good for the consumers though...

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Old 01-30-2010, 09:12 AM   #2
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Nice pictures. I believe all those renderings you posted are the most current.
Here is a link at M5board devoted to the F10 M5...
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So then after reading some of the new stats and figures for the upcoming M5, are any of you guys tempted to look into one or just stick with waiting on the all-new bi-turbo direct injection AMG V-8 that benz has been working on?
Interesting..... can't wait to see the magazine test drive comparisons when they're both available to drive....
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The F10 M5 s gonna be such a perfect car, it isn't even funny.
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If the new M5 has a 4.4 L twin turbo producing 578 hp.
I wonder how much HP the new TT Benz with its new TT 5.5 L engine.
630 HP? a stock 630HP E55? Anybody know?
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Thumbs up You're right K-A...

You might be right K-A.... what with probably close to 600 HP stock, easily chip tuneable, 4 wheel steering, lightning-fast dual-clutch transmission, all the high-tech gadgets that anybody could ever possibly want, that excellent factory warranty it comes with, bi-turbo torque and power from any RPM range, and a good sized-back seat for daily-driving practicality... its gonna be a force......

But lets hold out final judgement till all the magazines give it and the upcoming bi-turbo E63 2 years from now a head to head comparison together..... I think Benz is gonna go for atleast 580 or 590... or maybe low 600's in the Horsepower area in order to stay decisively ahead... torque will for sure be a good bit more than what the M5 will have because thats how AMG works in the torque department......
I predict in a road test the bi-turbo E63 will be slightly faster down the straights and have a smoother more comfortable ride and slightly more aggressive looks and exhaust sounds but the M5 will have better road feel, steering feel and handling in the twisties...... either car will be way too fast for public roads anyways though....

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This will be my next car (although I'll wait until it's been out on the road for a year or maybe two.)

As much as I love my E63 for the exceptional comfort ride and great linear n/a motor, I want to go back to really pushing a car on a road track and in the mountain twisties. But still have a large enough 4-door DD.

I don't care if the new TT AMG will pump out more torque or hp. I want that BMW feel again. And now that it's no longer a Bangle-ized looking POS, it makes it all so much better.
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220S, I don't know if you've been following the Reviews for the regular F10's so far, but praise is unanimous, and the best part is, everyone is actually very impressed with the interior materials this time around. Design wise, can't find any faults compared to the pre head-scratchers of designs BMW were putting out, and that M-B is also now putting out. On top of that, everyone is saying to expect the new M5 to feel more refined than the old, I'm thinking it'll be like E46 M3 VS new M3, as some purists will find it too refined and livable, but especially M-B buyers, will find it a perfect combo.

SL65AMG: True, it'll be interesting to see who comes out on top. Realistically, no way is one gonna dust the other, these cars are getting so exceptional at performing that it's gonna be coming down to preference over most all other factors IMO. However, BMW really seems to have put emphasis in confidently expressing that the new F10, and it's M5 version will once again dominate in their fields, obviously driving dynamics being amongst the top of that list.

We'll see what happens. I don't think I'm going M5 route, but as of the moment, I'm planning on having an F10 in the future!
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220S, I don't know if you've been following the Reviews for the regular F10's so far, but praise is unanimous, and the best part is, everyone is actually very impressed with the interior materials this time around. Design wise, can't find any faults compared to the pre head-scratchers of designs BMW were putting out, and that M-B is also now putting out. On top of that, everyone is saying to expect the new M5 to feel more refined than the old, I'm thinking it'll be like E46 M3 VS new M3, as some purists will find it too refined and livable, but especially M-B buyers, will find it a perfect combo.

SL65AMG: True, it'll be interesting to see who comes out on top. Realistically, no way is one gonna dust the other, these cars are getting so exceptional at performing that it's gonna be coming down to preference over most all other factors IMO. However, BMW really seems to have put emphasis in confidently expressing that the new F10, and it's M5 version will once again dominate in their fields, obviously driving dynamics being amongst the top of that list.

We'll see what happens. I don't think I'm going M5 route, but as of the moment, I'm planning on having an F10 in the future!
Yeah, well, the 'problem' with the E60 M5 is that it's kind of a PITA to use as a DD (esp with the SMG) compared to the E63. That's why I'm in an E63 now. And also because the E60 is way too fugly for me. If the F10 M5 will be more 'refined' than the E60 M5, then all the better. Plus it'll have the DCT.

After all it's a mid-sized sedan and we want those luxuries but with real performance. That's the whole point. There are plenty of cars out there to choose from that aren't 'refined' if that's what one prefers. And we can always buy an old hand built E34 for old school rawness. Anyway if people want raw they shouldn't be in a heavy, mid-sized 4 door sedan, imho.

In respect to the future W212 E63s and F10 M5s, both will have the performance but the M5 wins, imho, for the BMW chassis and driving feel and also (I'm willing to bet) more available mods and much better aftermarket pricing. AMG is still Mercedes and more people out there see the M more as the performance car, imho. Unless AMG does some heavy duty marketing to change that perception. But it's still a Benz....
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Yeah. No doubt BMW won't allow M-B to match their M5 with the AMG E, in the handling dept, and overall "sports car feel" department.

For the record, even the E60 M5 is coming up super close (if not about equal to) the brand new W212 E63 in Comparo's, and the old E60 5-Series is STILL winning lots of Mag Review comparo's against the brand new W212, some by long shots, mostly due to driving dynamics, etc. No doubt the F10 will be the benchmark in both normal guise (that goes without saying), and the M5.
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Is that supposed to be a good thing or bad thing? Lol.
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Yeah. No doubt BMW won't allow M-B to match their M5 with the AMG E, in the handling dept, and overall "sports car feel" department.

For the record, even the E60 M5 is coming up super close (if not about equal to) the brand new W212 E63 in Comparo's, and the old E60 5-Series is STILL winning lots of Mag Review comparo's against the brand new W212, some by long shots, mostly due to driving dynamics, etc. No doubt the F10 will be the benchmark in both normal guise (that goes without saying), and the M5.
Where have you seen that..?? Most of what I've read (on performance pack cars) has been praising the great handling/dynamics of the W212...
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Running what they both run, and the CTS-V, I'd bet neither one could lose each other on a track with two drivers of similar skill....
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Where have you seen that..?? Most of what I've read (on performance pack cars) has been praising the great handling/dynamics of the W212...
Which, about the E60 beating the W212 in Reviews w/ them praising the dynamics more? There are actually a couple or so, I can find them and post them if you want.

I'm speaking of the regular versions here FYI. E63 seems to have topped the M5 in any comparo's I've seen, albeit all seem to be stressing that it's by no means a blow-out.
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Running what they both run, and the CTS-V, I'd bet neither one could lose each other on a track with two drivers of similar skill....
Yeah, no doubt.

But which one wins in the real world everyday driving and ownership? If I lived in Nurburg next door to Nurburgring, maybe it might matter which car is the fastest around the track. But I don't and I would never use a F10 M5 or a W212 E63 as a car for the track anyway. Too expensive to risk track rash and insurance doesn't cover track time, plus too heavy a car as it is.

What's on paper is one thing, but I think the deciding factor is which car will actually be more fun to drive both on city streets and in the back road twistys and to live with every day.
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Which, about the E60 beating the W212 in Reviews w/ them praising the dynamics more? There are actually a couple or so, I can find them and post them if you want.

I'm speaking of the regular versions here FYI. E63 seems to have topped the M5 in any comparo's I've seen, albeit all seem to be stressing that it's by no means a blow-out.
Oh no man, I wasn't doubting you...Just curious...Seems like every other article I've seen was the other way around...But then they keep blabbing aging design wait for the new one...Like everyone said, I'm sure they are both going to be way more capable than you'll ever find out on the street love it...
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Oh no man, I wasn't doubting you...Just curious...Seems like every other article I've seen was the other way around...But then they keep blabbing aging design wait for the new one...Like everyone said, I'm sure they are both going to be way more capable than you'll ever find out on the street love it...
Oh no it's cool lol, didn't think you were necessarily.

Yeah, no doubt they'll be.

Yeah, I definitely can't remember ever hearing that anyone prefers the E60 M5 over the 212 E63, seems most Reviewers give the E63 a smidge of a victory.

It was really the E350 and E550 that had lost to the E60 competition in a few Comparo's that I remember. C&D I know was one of them I recall.
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Am I the only one who finds that the design of the new 5-series looks too similar to the 3-series?? It looks nice but I feel that each time I see the new 5-series my first thought is that it's a 3-series.
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Am I the only one who finds that the design of the new 5-series looks too similar to the 3-series?? It looks nice but I feel that each time I see the new 5-series my first thought is that it's a 3-series.
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Yeah, no doubt.

But which one wins in the real world everyday driving and ownership? If I lived in Nurburg next door to Nurburgring, maybe it might matter which car is the fastest around the track. But I don't and I would never use a F10 M5 or a W212 E63 as a car for the track anyway. Too expensive to risk track rash and insurance doesn't cover track time, plus too heavy a car as it is.

What's on paper is one thing, but I think the deciding factor is which car will actually be more fun to drive both on city streets and in the back road twistys and to live with every day.
Good point.
I find the E60 M5 to be quite an involving drive, in a good way. Short of actually having a clutch pedal, I find it equally as involved, in the sense that I'm always mindful of which gear I'm in and anticipating curves/turns and what gear to downshift/upshift to. I like the fact that I can bounce off the rev-limiter without the engine automatically upshifting the car for me.
I guess I like having that combination of "rawness" and having a medium sized 4 door sedan as well.
But I also find that as I'm getting older, I'm appreciating the "plushness" of a car more and more.
The w212 E63 (and MBs in general) is definitely more plush/lux than the Bimmer counterpart. And the new generation of AMG seems to have improved dramatically in the handling department as well.
So CURRENTLY, I do not see any high performance 4 door sedan that is better than the E63, that combines luxury and performance (arguably maybe the Panamera).
But will have to see what happens when the F10 M5 comes out...
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