E63 or M5

marketing_guy · 05-08-2012, 01:21 AM

Currently driving a 2012 C63 but I'm thinking about changing this week to either the E63 or M5 and trying to weigh up the pros and cons, I am really unsure about which one to go for.

Here's a E63 I like with delivery miles at a dealership near me and available now http://used.mercedes-benz.co.uk/phot...0_1024x768.jpg

And a M5 available now, with delivery miles http://www.bmw.co.uk/_aucoriginalima...L_060212_1.jpg

I've driven the M5, but haven't driven, or heard the sound of the new E63 in person.

The only thing putting me off the E63 is the new twin turbo engine, does it sound anything like the amazing noise from the 6.2 NA in its predecessor or the new M5?

Any advice would be appreciated!

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vdubpower · 05-08-2012, 01:31 AM

you do know that the m5 has a twin turbo also, and it has like no sound so they had to enhance it with electronic audio added in to make it sound like a real car???????????????????????????

get the m5

marketing_guy · 05-08-2012, 01:37 AM

Yes, I know, and I'm wondering if the new E63 sounds anything like the M5.

vdubpower · 05-08-2012, 03:18 AM

the E sounds real, the M sound fake,

NardoNZ · 05-08-2012, 04:50 AM

youtube it, I can tell you the E63 5.5 Biturbo sounds so insanely amazing! havent driven the m5 so cannot give you a fair comparison but ive heard about that sound procesing as well which i find very fake. You will have better off the line power in the AMG (or wil feel that way, just the brutality of it) as you are used to with you own car.. Get the E63 for sure!

areuv · 05-08-2012, 10:30 AM

get the E, especially the one in your link, white looks so damn good

areuv · 05-08-2012, 10:39 AM

and the cars sounds incredible, I personally love the way it sounds stock, subtle but when you get on it look out, sometimes when I blow by people and they catch me at the next light they always have this look on their face and it's because the car sounds like a beast when passing someone, get it you won't regret it

NickyBlack · 05-08-2012, 02:15 PM

I was in an F10 M5 with akrapovic exhaust, if you want real sound then go this route. It's an intoxicating sound.

otakki · 05-08-2012, 06:20 PM

Electronic audio in M5?!...Didn't know that. Forget M5 then. Since this is an E63 forum, I'm sure you know what the recommendation is. Even without that, I would still recommend an E63. Of course you can also go for one with the previous 6.2 M156 engine. I have it and it sounds good. The 5.5 M157 also sounds good.

marketing_guy · 05-08-2012, 06:39 PM

I am swayed more in the E63's direction, which is kinda why I asked here, as I knew I'd get reasons for the E over the M5.

Does anyone have specs for the E63 with the AMG performance pack? Torque, BHP, 0-60 etc.

I am looking over the Merc website and can't find anything. The white one in the link above is located here, for the full specs: http://used.mercedes-benz.co.uk/amg/...r-sale-ee63new

pgordon888 · 05-08-2012, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketing_guy

Currently driving a 2012 C63 but I'm thinking about changing this week to either the E63 or M5 and trying to weigh up the pros and cons, I am really unsure about which one to go for.

Here's a E63 I like with delivery miles at a dealership near me and available now http://used.mercedes-benz.co.uk/phot...0_1024x768.jpg

And a M5 available now, with delivery miles http://www.bmw.co.uk/_aucoriginalima...L_060212_1.jpg

I've driven the M5, but haven't driven, or heard the sound of the new E63 in person.

The only thing putting me off the E63 is the new twin turbo engine, does it sound anything like the amazing noise from the 6.2 NA in its predecessor or the new M5?

Any advice would be appreciated!

In the unlikely event you find the M157 too quiet you can pull the resonator off, in which case you will really hear it bark. Take a listen to mine at WOT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N927tAiCnSY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N927tAiCnSY

vdubpower · 05-08-2012, 07:14 PM

so is the 86 Quid the new price of that car in the UK?

marketing_guy · 05-08-2012, 07:21 PM

Base price for the car brand new is £74K. This has car has most of the extras, including the performance pack and it's essentially a brand new car with delivery miles on it, 10 or so. So £86K/$140,000 is the price for a brand new one here!

Vic55 · 05-08-2012, 08:13 PM

As a loyal AMG and M owner, Im excited to try out the new F10 M5.

* they have made up ground in the tq war and have created a low end monster
* DCT- best tranny in the business- makes lesser or heavier cars perform outstanding. The E9X M3 is a great example, the DCT allows the 414hp car with under 300 lb/ft of tq to run with cars with more hp/tq. Yes its not a straightline warrior but it does move. My E92 M3 could keep up with a W211 E63- the lack hp was made up in the efficient power transfer and lackof parasitic loss to the ground. The GTR is another marvel that shines even with its 3800 lb weight. The PDK in a Turbo S is amazing (I have it) and the car, out of the box, pulls low 6's in zero to 100 and high 120's mph in trap speed.
*BMW handling- the M cars handle- nothing else to say as I have had 4 of them and they are all amazing except for my E63 M6 which, chassiwise, seemed slightly lacking.

These are all performance pieces IMHO but Im a driver first and a luxury lover 2nd- so I want to see what the M Division has to offer. I also have already owned a W212 E63 N/A and have an E63 TT Estate so my ownership with the E might a little long in the tooth (also had a W210 E55 and W211 E55).

For the visual side:

* I love the color Monte Carlo Blue
* The car is a subtle beast
* I actually like the stock wheels (but HRE will force me to mod)
* Interior is slightly bland but I dont care
* HUD- its a must, cant understand why Benz doesnt have this

These are all subjective opinions with some being far more factual than others. I just built my own M5 and msrp was a reasonable 102k for all the goodies sans carbon ceramics.

vdubpower · 05-08-2012, 09:12 PM

so why did merc opt with MCT vs DCT

vic, whats HUD

HRE_Wheels · 05-08-2012, 10:14 PM

HUD = Heads Up Display

vdubpower · 05-08-2012, 10:15 PM

oh yeah, ehh, not needed, leave it for the cadillacs

marketing_guy · 05-08-2012, 10:19 PM

DCT is superior to MCT, hence why the SLS and C63 BS have it. I myself also cannot understand why Mercedes haven't rolled it out yet across the AMG range.

Vic55 · 05-09-2012, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdubpower

oh yeah, ehh, not needed, leave it for the cadillacs

Drive a car at higher speeds, its a benefit no doubt--- it helps keep your eyes on the road yet you know your speed and the all important rpms.

Not sure if you have ever tried out the BMW HUD but I think its definitely worth it.

LangeOne · 05-09-2012, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketing_guy

DCT is superior to MCT, hence why the SLS and C63 BS have it. I myself also cannot understand why Mercedes haven't rolled it out yet across the AMG range.

Sadly, the C63BS has MCT, not DCT.

pgordon888 · 05-09-2012, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketing_guy

DCT is superior to MCT, hence why the SLS and C63 BS have it. I myself also cannot understand why Mercedes haven't rolled it out yet across the AMG range.

It's a rear axle fitment issue. No dour they are working on it and we will see it in a few years with the whole amg line.

vdubpower · 05-09-2012, 12:28 PM

so the non amg cars, the E550s' , S600's etc, are they still runinng just the 7G tranny

marketing_guy · 05-09-2012, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LangeOne

Sadly, the C63BS has MCT, not DCT.

Wow, I am sure I read somewhere that the C63 BS had DCT. This was one of the only reasons why I could justify spending all that extra money over the regular C63. Very sad indeed.

otakki · 05-09-2012, 05:49 PM

I really do get confused over the MB's 7G transmission and 7-speed MCT transmission. At times, I thought they are the same thing but apparently not.

I just like MB to at least make the LSD standard on all the AMG cars. HUD would be nice, too, as an option.

hakaida442 · 05-10-2012, 07:58 AM

I like both cars, but I would go for the M5 in moonstone or singapore grey this time around. But I'm sure that a lot of people here would go with the E63 which I also like because of tough looking exterior. Just make sure whatever car you buy you do european delivery. You'll save some money and have a vacation to remember.

I'd want the M5 and the new 991 Carrera S, but I can't afford both so I'm leaning to getting the porsche and getting lexus GS for work.

05-08-2012, 01:31 AM	#2
vdubpower MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: OC Posts: 3,525 Drives: i drive them all, fast and hard	you do know that the m5 has a twin turbo also, and it has like no sound so they had to enhance it with electronic audio added in to make it sound like a real car??????????????????????????? get the m5 __________________ 1985 500SEL Euro Nautic Blue - A Classic Beauty 1998 S500 Brilliant Silver 2001 S500 Almadine Black/AMG Sport Package - Smooth and Silky 2010 S550 Palladium Silver/AMG P2 - Refined and Luxurious 2005 C320wz Granite Grey/Fully Loaded - Sold and Missed already 2012 E63 AMG Iridium Silver - Performance Package

05-08-2012, 03:18 AM	#4
vdubpower MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: OC Posts: 3,525 Drives: i drive them all, fast and hard	the E sounds real, the M sound fake, __________________ 1985 500SEL Euro Nautic Blue - A Classic Beauty 1998 S500 Brilliant Silver 2001 S500 Almadine Black/AMG Sport Package - Smooth and Silky 2010 S550 Palladium Silver/AMG P2 - Refined and Luxurious 2005 C320wz Granite Grey/Fully Loaded - Sold and Missed already 2012 E63 AMG Iridium Silver - Performance Package

05-08-2012, 02:15 PM	#8
NickyBlack Senior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 335 Drives: E63 AMG, E60 M5	I was in an F10 M5 with akrapovic exhaust, if you want real sound then go this route. It's an intoxicating sound. __________________ 2010 E63 AMG 2012 750i 2008 SRT8

05-08-2012, 07:14 PM	#12
vdubpower MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: OC Posts: 3,525 Drives: i drive them all, fast and hard	so is the 86 Quid the new price of that car in the UK? __________________ 1985 500SEL Euro Nautic Blue - A Classic Beauty 1998 S500 Brilliant Silver 2001 S500 Almadine Black/AMG Sport Package - Smooth and Silky 2010 S550 Palladium Silver/AMG P2 - Refined and Luxurious 2005 C320wz Granite Grey/Fully Loaded - Sold and Missed already 2012 E63 AMG Iridium Silver - Performance Package

05-08-2012, 08:13 PM	#14
Vic55 Super Moderator Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: THE Orange County, California Posts: 8,568 Drives: 2013 M5, 2013 M6, 2012 R8 V10, 2012 C63 Black Series	As a loyal AMG and M owner, Im excited to try out the new F10 M5. * they have made up ground in the tq war and have created a low end monster * DCT- best tranny in the business- makes lesser or heavier cars perform outstanding. The E9X M3 is a great example, the DCT allows the 414hp car with under 300 lb/ft of tq to run with cars with more hp/tq. Yes its not a straightline warrior but it does move. My E92 M3 could keep up with a W211 E63- the lack hp was made up in the efficient power transfer and lackof parasitic loss to the ground. The GTR is another marvel that shines even with its 3800 lb weight. The PDK in a Turbo S is amazing (I have it) and the car, out of the box, pulls low 6's in zero to 100 and high 120's mph in trap speed. BMW handling- the M cars handle- nothing else to say as I have had 4 of them and they are all amazing except for my E63 M6 which, chassiwise, seemed slightly lacking. These are all performance pieces IMHO but Im a driver first and a luxury lover 2nd- so I want to see what the M Division has to offer. I also have already owned a W212 E63 N/A and have an E63 TT Estate so my ownership with the E might a little long in the tooth (also had a W210 E55 and W211 E55). For the visual side: I love the color Monte Carlo Blue * The car is a subtle beast * I actually like the stock wheels (but HRE will force me to mod) * Interior is slightly bland but I dont care * HUD- its a must, cant understand why Benz doesnt have this These are all subjective opinions with some being far more factual than others. I just built my own M5 and msrp was a reasonable 102k for all the goodies sans carbon ceramics. __________________ 2013 BMW M5 2013 BMW M6 2012 Audi R8 V10 2012 C63 Black Series Last edited by Vic55; 05-08-2012 at 08:16 PM.

05-08-2012, 01:37 AM	#3
marketing_guy Junior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 37 Drives: 2013 BMW M6, 2013 BMW X3	Yes, I know, and I'm wondering if the new E63 sounds anything like the M5.

05-08-2012, 04:50 AM	#5
NardoNZ Senior Member 2003 Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: New Zealand Posts: 498 Drives: CLK55 AMG	youtube it, I can tell you the E63 5.5 Biturbo sounds so insanely amazing! havent driven the m5 so cannot give you a fair comparison but ive heard about that sound procesing as well which i find very fake. You will have better off the line power in the AMG (or wil feel that way, just the brutality of it) as you are used to with you own car.. Get the E63 for sure!

05-08-2012, 10:30 AM	#6
areuv Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: philadelphia Posts: 119 Drives: 2005 E55 drowned/ 2011 CTS-v coupe gone/ 2012 E63 PP,LSD finally here	get the E, especially the one in your link, white looks so damn good

05-08-2012, 10:39 AM	#7
areuv Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: philadelphia Posts: 119 Drives: 2005 E55 drowned/ 2011 CTS-v coupe gone/ 2012 E63 PP,LSD finally here	and the cars sounds incredible, I personally love the way it sounds stock, subtle but when you get on it look out, sometimes when I blow by people and they catch me at the next light they always have this look on their face and it's because the car sounds like a beast when passing someone, get it you won't regret it

05-08-2012, 06:20 PM	#9
otakki MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,506 Drives: W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV	Electronic audio in M5?!...Didn't know that. Forget M5 then. Since this is an E63 forum, I'm sure you know what the recommendation is. Even without that, I would still recommend an E63. Of course you can also go for one with the previous 6.2 M156 engine. I have it and it sounds good. The 5.5 M157 also sounds good.

05-08-2012, 06:39 PM	#10
marketing_guy Junior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 37 Drives: 2013 BMW M6, 2013 BMW X3	I am swayed more in the E63's direction, which is kinda why I asked here, as I knew I'd get reasons for the E over the M5. Does anyone have specs for the E63 with the AMG performance pack? Torque, BHP, 0-60 etc. I am looking over the Merc website and can't find anything. The white one in the link above is located here, for the full specs: http://used.mercedes-benz.co.uk/amg/...r-sale-ee63new

05-08-2012, 07:21 PM	#13
marketing_guy Junior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 37 Drives: 2013 BMW M6, 2013 BMW X3	Base price for the car brand new is £74K. This has car has most of the extras, including the performance pack and it's essentially a brand new car with delivery miles on it, 10 or so. So £86K/$140,000 is the price for a brand new one here!

05-08-2012, 09:12 PM	#15
vdubpower MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: OC Posts: 3,525 Drives: i drive them all, fast and hard	so why did merc opt with MCT vs DCT vic, whats HUD __________________ 1985 500SEL Euro Nautic Blue - A Classic Beauty 1998 S500 Brilliant Silver 2001 S500 Almadine Black/AMG Sport Package - Smooth and Silky 2010 S550 Palladium Silver/AMG P2 - Refined and Luxurious 2005 C320wz Granite Grey/Fully Loaded - Sold and Missed already 2012 E63 AMG Iridium Silver - Performance Package

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05-08-2012, 10:15 PM	#17
vdubpower MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: OC Posts: 3,525 Drives: i drive them all, fast and hard	oh yeah, ehh, not needed, leave it for the cadillacs __________________ 1985 500SEL Euro Nautic Blue - A Classic Beauty 1998 S500 Brilliant Silver 2001 S500 Almadine Black/AMG Sport Package - Smooth and Silky 2010 S550 Palladium Silver/AMG P2 - Refined and Luxurious 2005 C320wz Granite Grey/Fully Loaded - Sold and Missed already 2012 E63 AMG Iridium Silver - Performance Package

05-08-2012, 10:19 PM	#18
marketing_guy Junior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 37 Drives: 2013 BMW M6, 2013 BMW X3	DCT is superior to MCT, hence why the SLS and C63 BS have it. I myself also cannot understand why Mercedes haven't rolled it out yet across the AMG range.

05-09-2012, 12:28 PM	#22
vdubpower MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: OC Posts: 3,525 Drives: i drive them all, fast and hard	so the non amg cars, the E550s' , S600's etc, are they still runinng just the 7G tranny __________________ 1985 500SEL Euro Nautic Blue - A Classic Beauty 1998 S500 Brilliant Silver 2001 S500 Almadine Black/AMG Sport Package - Smooth and Silky 2010 S550 Palladium Silver/AMG P2 - Refined and Luxurious 2005 C320wz Granite Grey/Fully Loaded - Sold and Missed already 2012 E63 AMG Iridium Silver - Performance Package

05-09-2012, 05:49 PM	#24
otakki MBWorld Fanatic! Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,506 Drives: W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV	I really do get confused over the MB's 7G transmission and 7-speed MCT transmission. At times, I thought they are the same thing but apparently not. I just like MB to at least make the LSD standard on all the AMG cars. HUD would be nice, too, as an option.

05-10-2012, 07:58 AM	#25
hakaida442 Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 188 Drives: '11 997.2 Carrera GTS	I like both cars, but I would go for the M5 in moonstone or singapore grey this time around. But I'm sure that a lot of people here would go with the E63 which I also like because of tough looking exterior. Just make sure whatever car you buy you do european delivery. You'll save some money and have a vacation to remember. I'd want the M5 and the new 991 Carrera S, but I can't afford both so I'm leaning to getting the porsche and getting lexus GS for work.

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