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At only 154 extra pounds with a split of 33/67 front/rear the E63S AWD will be very competitive with the new CTS-V. I already have one supercharged AMG and even here in NJ in the winter when it snows, I can't jump a small lip to get into my driveway unless I start picking up speed at the very bottom of a small hill down my street.
Caddy will no doubt be a beast. They had to look to match HellCat, but in doing so they also dropped AMG and M a good counter move.
The CTS will be about performance, handling and bang for the buck. The updated design is great but they kept it simple. The large rear wing is off place. Good job by GM. Engine will be tuner friendly and plenty of additional aftermarket support.
Right now, the RS line up will be hard to beat. AMG needs a 9 speed or DCT to catch up. The new engine will be a good starting point.
any info on what the new mb 4.0 turbo will output on the 2016 e63?
the amg gt produces 503 horsepower
any chance they will up it to 600+ to match gm?
No word yet but I'll be a bit surprised if the new e63 loses hp and tq for 2017... That being said amg models have been underrated on power historically and the key is end user performance ...
No word yet but I'll be a bit surprised if the new e63 loses hp and tq for 2017... That being said amg models have been underrated on power historically and the key is end user performance ...
I want to see how AMG will give the 2017 E63S more HP than AMG GT S. We will be entering the AMG GT Black Series territory. Marketing wise I don't think AMG will ever do it. I'm also not sure how easy the new 4.0 twin turbo engine will scale up for more HP given it's turbos are sitting inside the V. That should generate a lot of heat and heat is the enemy of forced induction. A lot of extra pluming will be required to get it to 600HP.
I want to see how AMG will give the 2017 E63S more HP than AMG GT S. We will be entering the AMG GT Black Series territory. Marketing wise I don't think AMG will ever do it. I'm also not sure how easy the new 4.0 twin turbo engine will scale up for more HP given it's turbos are sitting inside the V. That should generate a lot of heat and heat is the enemy of forced induction. A lot of extra pluming will be required to get it to 600HP.
Interesting... That's the question is what does amg have up their sleeve for e63 ... Doesn't e63 have more power than sls now though?
The third-gen CTS is very similar inside to the second. I had a second gen ('09) CTS-V sedan and really liked several aspects about it.
-the manual 6-speed. Same transmission as my Z06.
-the suspension. I've always maintained that the CTS-V has the best combination comfort/track-worthy suspension in the world; on par with a Cayman S.
-the simplicity/reliability of it all. It was a really straightforward car to own.
Things I didnt like-
-the mileage. Holy 12mpg, batman. Why 2400 rpm on the highway in 6th???
-the Recaro seats. Awesome for the first hour in the car. Torture after that.
-the size. It doesn't baby well, and even the wagon wasnt a proper wagon like the E or the RS6.
-the refinement. Awesome for a GM. Still no E63.
E63S = 577HP
2015 SLS AMG = 583 HP
SLS Black Series = 631 HP
The drivetrains in the SLS and the E63 share their manufacturer and thats about it. The SLS is a horsepower engine that works well at the track with a quick DCT. It's quirky in traffic, but not terrible. The E63 is all torque and tractability and great in traffic, but the drivetrain is not built for the track.
The GT-S wouldn't do well with the M157 and MCT-7, and I doubt the E63 will get it's drivetrain in its entirety.
The drivetrains in the SLS and the E63 share their manufacturer and thats about it. The SLS is a horsepower engine that works well at the track with a quick DCT. It's quirky in traffic, but not terrible. The E63 is all torque and tractability and great in traffic, but the drivetrain is not built for the track.
The GT-S wouldn't do well with the M157 and MCT-7, and I doubt the E63 will get it's drivetrain in its entirety.
From what I understand the 212 E63's successor will have a version of the 4.0 TT V8 that now sits in the AMG GT and new C63. I do think AMG would have a marketing issue giving the lower priced E63 more power than the AMG GT S model. This is one of the reasons I jumped all over the 2015 E63 S -- I wanted the M157 engine. With this engine and full Renntech tune, downpipes and sport mufflers, my car's output will be 726 bhp and 875 lbs ft at the crank.
I do not see the 4.0L TT V8 reaching those power levels without a turbo upgrade -- an engine and transmission life shortening mod that I would never do on a car I intend to keep for many years.
I think that AMG will keep similar levels of acceleration performance in the upcoming new E63 as the W212 E63 though reductions in the car's weight using space age materials like carbon fiber reinforced plastic. But weight reduction does not make as much of a difference at higher speeds where horsepower is king.
Blame it all on CAFE requirements.
As far as the Caddy goes it will be a killer bang for the buck performance car. But I would never want RWD will all of that power. When I floor it I want the car to surge forward and not kill the fun with traction control intervention and that only happens on a high horsepower car when it has AWD -- one of the biggest reasons I bought the 2014 Porsche 991 Turbo S and the 2015 E63 S.
12-22-2014, 08:06 AM
