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Old 05-26-2016, 07:17 PM
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We are now offering the Rapid Module:
This is a piggy back module that will allow your car to gain exceptional power without having to remove your ECU or possibly losing your manufacturer’s warranty. This unit is great for daily drivers that are looking for that right amount of power to make your car faster than the next guy on the street.
Installation will run about an hour and can be done at home if you are a weekend warrior and like to work on your own car.

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E550 4.6L V8 BiTurbo 402HP - 442TQ with Rapid 462HP – 508TQ
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E63 AMG 5.5L V8 BiTurbo 518HP - 531TQ with Rapid 595HP – 610TQ
E63-S AMG 5.5L V8 BiTurbo 577HP - 590TQ with Rapid 663HP – 678TQ

Weird, I'd think the tune numbers would be the same for S and non S AMGs

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Weird, I'd think the tune numbers would be the same for S and non S AMGs
my thoughts exactly
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This is the same guy that claimed he gained 220lb-ft of torque from a tune alone on a 2015. He then said the 2015 has a different ecu which was his rationale for being able to tune it higher. When asked to prove it with before and after dyno graphs, he never came through.
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Let me set this one straight for you, why would you think the two vehicles that make different power ratings have the same outcome?

Sometimes the way figure out proper numbers is through percentages, if you had done that you would find that all 3 vehicles even the non AMG gain the same percentages, so therefore they gain the same perspective amount of power, I hope that answers your questions and cures your curiosity about being weird.

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Weird, I'd think the tune numbers would be the same for S and non S AMGs
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As always I come through as promised, I don't understand why folks still doubt my abilities even after being in this business for a long time. I will provide a dyno chart for you buddy and its coming I promise you that, again every other tuner provides close to or more tq then I have even posted, why not ask those same questions to them? The dyno I have available at this time is an 2 wheel drive dyno, as soon as I get this car on a AWD dyno those charts will be available for everyone to view so please hold your horses its coming.

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This is the same guy that claimed he gained 220lb-ft of torque from a tune alone on a 2015. He then said the 2015 has a different ecu which was his rationale for being able to tune it higher. When asked to prove it with before and after dyno graphs, he never came through.
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I have great business ethic and I have a great business model, please don't get clouded by misinformation about me or my business.

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I was actually being polite. It's really not weird at all. It's proof that you have no clue and have never tuned these vehicles. If you had you'd know that the S and non S models have the exact same power plant and therefore with proper tuning will yield the exact same numbers. If the gains you posted are accurate, the only way your percentage theory makes sense is if you want to let non S model owners know that they're only buying 50% of a tune.

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Let me set this one straight for you, why would you think the two vehicles that make different power ratings have the same outcome?

Sometimes the way figure out proper numbers is through percentages, if you had done that you would find that all 3 vehicles even the non AMG gain the same percentages, so therefore they gain the same perspective amount of power, I hope that answers your questions and cures your curiosity about being weird.
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Not taking sides, but the C63S has more power as standard so makes sense a tune would also produce more power if equal percentage increase.

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Mercedes-AMG C 63 CoupékW 350 (HP 476)
V8 Cylinder200 g/km
32.8 mpg7-speed automatic transmission£60,630

Mercedes-AMG C 63 S CoupékW 375 (HP 510)
V8 Cylinder200 g/km
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All the facts show that the AMG S model and regular AMG model have the same hardware... Only difference is the S model runs more boost. So as you're tuning it, they should both be able to hit the same higher max boost level. Doesn't take someone who's been doing tuning for a long time to figure that out.
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Originally Posted by efiftyfizzle
All the facts show that the AMG S model and regular AMG model have the same hardware... Only difference is the S model runs more boost. So as you're tuning it, they should both be able to hit the same higher max boost level. Doesn't take someone who's been doing tuning for a long time to figure that out.
Agree if boost is the only difference........ Is that the only difference to achieve the power increase that the "S" has ??
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
Weird, I'd think the tune numbers would be the same for S and non S AMGs
Easy


Piggy backs only add boost to OEM boost

The S model has higher boost

ECU tuning makes both non s ans s models the same.
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Piggy backs only add boost to OEM boost

The S model has higher boost

ECU tuning makes both non s ans s models the same.
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Bro, its a piggy back system of course its not going to make the same power as a ECU tune would and not everyone wants an ECU tune so I am providing a simple solutions for those that would like power added without flashing their ecu. Thanks for your input but not sure how selling a piggy back shows proof of me not having a clue on what I am doing when it comes to actually tuning this platform, I've actually tuned quite a few of them and I knew what you where trying to say but I am not selling an ECU flash here.

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I was actually being polite. It's really not weird at all. It's proof that you have no clue and have never tuned these vehicles. If you had you'd know that the S and non S models have the exact same power plant and therefore with proper tuning will yield the exact same numbers. If the gains you posted are accurate, the only way your percentage theory makes sense is if you want to let non S model owners know that they're only buying 50% of a tune.
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anthony tuned my e55 at buckhead imports (same place Chawkins car got all its work) and he did a great job and made awesome power off just 180M pulley and LTH's on my E55
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anthony tuned my e55 at buckhead imports (same place Chawkins car got all its work) and he did a great job and made awesome power off just 180M pulley and LTH's on my E55
You should have had him tune your E63... apparently it will gain 220lb-ft of torque with a tune alone... oh wait you have a 2014 not a 2015, so it won't work for you.
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Tony tuned my 80mm FSP E55 with great results!
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You should have had him tune your E63... apparently it will gain 220lb-ft of torque with a tune alone... oh wait you have a 2014 not a 2015, so it won't work for you.
I made 186RWTQ with just a tune on dyno dynamics so 220 rwtq does not seem that far off???
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You should have had him tune your E63... apparently it will gain 220lb-ft of torque with a tune alone... oh wait you have a 2014 not a 2015, so it won't work for you.
you do realize that's advertised crank trq like most tuner do... hell, AMS advertise 312 trq pickup on just ecu tune (at crank)

"What’s even more impressive when having an Alpha file installed on your AMG is the monstrous torque that you will now have on command. Through our non-invasive update to the powertrain control module (PCM), your AMG will produce 830 ft-lbs of torque! To put this in perspective, that’s a 312 ft-lb gain! " http://alphaperformance.com/calibrat...o-calibration/

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Bro, its a piggy back system of course its not going to make the same power as a ECU tune would and not everyone wants an ECU tune so I am providing a simple solutions for those that would like power added without flashing their ecu. Thanks for your input but not sure how selling a piggy back shows proof of me not having a clue on what I am doing when it comes to actually tuning this platform, I've actually tuned quite a few of them and I knew what you where trying to say but I am not selling an ECU flash here.
Ok, I get it. I misinterpreted your use of the term "tune". If I understand now, these simply intercept and recalibrate signals instead of actually applying written changes to any software.
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Yes sir, that's correct. The S and the Non S E63 AMG would render the same final results after a tune, this unit just doenst do the same, only taking the stock boost levels and raising them which in this case giving those vehicles a 15% increase in power from their original OEM power specs.

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Ok, I get it. I misinterpreted your use of the term "tune". If I understand now, these simply intercept and recalibrate signals instead of actually applying written changes to any software.
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Dude, what are you missing to understand that I am not the only tuner that renders the same tq numbers or even higher?

http://www.eurocharged.com/products/...-software.html

I hate to even do that but here is one example of a E63 making even more TQ then I said mine makes just so I could show you that you're reaching for something, I know you asked for me to provide a dyno chart and I will as I have stated here and on FB I asked for you to prove me wrong and you haven't so, unless you can do that then let it be.

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You should have had him tune your E63... apparently it will gain 220lb-ft of torque with a tune alone... oh wait you have a 2014 not a 2015, so it won't work for you.
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Oh here is a 2012 CLS63 I done 4 years ago and it made 77hp and 110tq.

https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...s-biturbo.html

And again this thread isnt about the ECU flashes its about the piggy back's I am trying to sale so can we please get back on topic. Thanks much.
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Originally Posted by gaspam
you do realize that's advertised crank trq like most tuner do... hell, AMS advertise 312 trq pickup on just ecu tune (at crank)

"What’s even more impressive when having an Alpha file installed on your AMG is the monstrous torque that you will now have on command. Through our non-invasive update to the powertrain control module (PCM), your AMG will produce 830 ft-lbs of torque! To put this in perspective, that’s a 312 ft-lb gain! " http://alphaperformance.com/calibrat...o-calibration/
AMS and most tuners compare the 2012 model before and after so the delta seems higher. Plus, they are speaking about gains to the crank and not wheels. This guy claimed on a FB group that a 2015 E63 is capable of more torque with a tune because "it's a newer model"... Insisting that different hardware is the culprit.


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