PeterUbers

brutal is right and don't get me wrong this m550 is best compared to e550... i love my 63!!

viren.89

Both RS7 vs E63S vs M5 -tuned are 10 sec cars. Very few maybe 1-2 RS7 are in 9 sec territory same with others.

From perspective of a simpleton like me-who only and only tunes -I feel like RS7 or E63S is best but I read that M5 is even better hence I posted the thread.

LoL you guys is how I wanted to be but then my priorities started changing and lack of track and even a good mechanic anywhere remotely close by changed everything further.

I'd love to mod but tune is what I'd most likely get since that I can get via email as well lol

Fairbird

here is the deal , to get rs7 to 10's you need 45 minutes at the APR dealer and you done , also you can switch the program between 91, 93 , ms109 with one click of the button .
E63 took me pull the ecu out , send it to weistec , tcu out , send it to weistec , transmission oil from ECS , 2 weeks car was down waiting on parts , drop in filters and I went 10.9 , when RS7 45 minutes , race gas and 10.7 slip in your pocket with good tires . now if you want race gas in E63 you need one more ECU , flash it , erase it and spend about 2k on that alone . RS 4.0 with down pipes ms109 and slicks will ran 10.3-10.4 , benz with down pipes I doubt will run 10.4 .

Amg63-

E63s with an aggressive tune and downpipes, air filters ran 10.8@129mph on pump gas, AMS car. Not that hard to get done. Eurocharged,AMS or whichever tuner can do all these mods in one day just leave it in morning and pick it up in evening.

@viren.89 you also need to understand your comparing an m5 which is RWD to e63s/RS7 which are AWD.

Do you want to go fast from a stop or when moving already?

if stoplight speed is what your after I say fairbird is right that RS7 is fastest from a dig, followed by E63s when doing only a tune on these cars and no other mods.

Fairbird

let's make it simple , on Audizine there is topic with c7 results , go there and just count how many rs cars in deep 10s , I guess 20-30 cars , Benz not even 10 cars .

Fairbird

Benz aftermarket suck lol

viren.89

lol yes I've seen that. People get a tune done go to track and hit 10s lol
I thought it would be somewhat similar in E63 -get a tune and you are in 10s -I guess I was wrong- what's missing ? tires? power delivery ? gearing?


From what I'm reading it feels like for a person like me who won't go any further than a possibly a tune -should stick with RS7 lol

Fairbird

power delivery for sure , all wheel drive system

Luke-BITURBO

How do you feel the rwd benz's compare roll racing? E63 vs Audi rs6 etc I know are gearbox shifts don't help but is there a huge amount in it would you think just basic mods vs basic mods

Amg63-

TCU torque limits in first 3 gears is the reason why it only manages low 11s in most tune only cases.

Amg63-

in roll racing torque limits are less so even AWD e63 does well and similar to RWD. Also the 4matic System they use has lower drivetrain loss/weight than most AWD system including Quattro

TMC M5

I won't dispute the results...but I can't get over the RS7's rear end... I am not a fan. I really wish Audi would have built and imported an RS6 sedan. That would have been an amazing car.

gaspam

this^ i wanted an RS6 sedan but audi never bothered to get the emissions certifications for north america so it became a eurospec only car and now they only make it in avant

if you can live with a smaller car, the new 2018 RS3 will be a monster (2.5 TSFI motor that iroz motorsport is already getting 1000hp out of on the TTRS and running 188+ 1/2 mile and in the 9s 1/4)

Fairbird

they about the same , since I had both , even awd vs awd , the very very similar

viren.89

RS3 doesn't the interior somewhat look like CLA iterations we have.

How would you be able to come down to such a small car from the likes of E63?

and I always assumed bigger engines allow safer and lot more modding opportunities -so wouldn't E63 have more potential ? 4 l compared to 2.5 plus it'll have DCT meaning torque restrictions?

Disclaimer- i'm assuming-i'm new to all this.

gaspam

in terms of interior the RS3 is probably between CLA45 and C63, but definitely not to the level of midsize luxury performance sedans that are 40-60K more but thats expected

in terms of DCT, UGR is getting over 1250whp out of them on the r8

and in terms of engine size, the facts are the facts... the 2.5 tsfi is pumping out ~1000hp on iroz xona turbo kits, no e63s/ m5s are doing that yet (aside from vasilys build but that's probably a 6 figure build so not realistic)

and no m5/e63 (including vasily) running anywhere close to iroz 2.5 tsfi TTRS in the 1/2 at 188+ .... closest i have seen is allmotor_rams 950+whp M5 and it ran 170 (weistec W4 ran 165 at same event)

TMC M5

I tried living with a '15 Audi S4 for a year in between the F10 M5 and the E63 S. I have an infant/toddler daughter and getting her in and out of the back seat (middle spot) was a pain. It was a very good car, but just too small for my day to day needs. My brother has an S3 and it is a good little car, but that platform just won't work for me size wise.

uberwag

Driven several of the super sedans for good milage with ability to play around in them (own modded E63's rwd, own RS7, plenty of time in the 2014+ AWD, F10 M5, CTS-V V3, Panamera Turbo S refresh).

In handling/grip, nothing touched the Panamera Turbo S for me (though it is so damn expensive)... but for everything else the RS7 is world beater, seriously. Go look at what Fairbird was pointing too-10sec times are common and repeatable with easy mods.

With a tune only it blows everything else away, and it is so, so accessible. Turn dial to dynamic mode, brake torque, and everything is a blur. Turn it to comfort, and it is more compliant than non-performance vehicles even. Interior is great, and looks are unique/polarizing (I like the shape myself). The ZF torque convertor transmission is amazing (especially compared to our MCT, the Caddy's auto, and the F10 DCT. PDK is great but a bit different) and the power is there whenever you need it - super usable. That said, I've had the car for half a year and it's needed $10k in warranty repairs and has been in shop for 5 weeks during that time waiting for parts. And worst of all is that Audi is so totally anti-mod when it comes to warranty that you will get flagged and claims denied/fought over for basic stuff (tunes, downpipes, even intakes). When the car is that sensitive/costly to fix, you don't wanna lose warranty so easily and irrationally. Ruins the fun.

But nothing is as fun as a low, wide, loud, high horsepower wagon...so AMG still wins for me Also, if you don't like the looks of RS7, the S8 and esp the S8 Plus is a damn good replacement. Downpipes and tune and you are well into the 10's with anyone behind the wheel/repeatable at any time... but the look is so close to A8's that I am not a fan myself.

Fairbird

I was thinking about S8 btw , they cheap now , but I want more fun , so this is what I have for now .

10speed

Ha , definitely more fun and definitely less traction , how are you liking the rear wheel drive , I know your e63 was a beast seen your YouTube vids , I do like rear wheel drive myself , but there something about the confidence of awd I love

Amg63-

Does an s8 plus really keep up with an RS7?

i never would of thought the s8 can smoke the e63s...

chiromikey

Same motor/drive train, just a couple hundred pounds heavier so I'd think so...

gaspam

10.6 @ 129 .. pretty close

http://dragtimes.com/Audi-S8-Timeslip-26317.html

Amg63-

The problem with this is that it's pointless to tune a car if it's too fragile to handle the tuned power. While the AMG won't be as fast, at least it will be close and have no problem handling the tuned power while staying reliable in the long term. Personally I would rather have that but maybe that's just me.

ajs76

I just feel like if we're really talking 60-130 times and building low 10 second cars...aren't we talking about the wrong vehicles? Seems like you should get a GTR or something and just roll with that.

For lightly tuned cars, doesn't the dual clutch in the M5 really make up most of the time differences?