jrosa

Hi,

I was planning to retrofit the brakes of my E63 2014/2014 to have AMG Carbon-Ceramic Brakes system.

Any thoughts?
Is it a good idea?
How much this should cost me?

Thanks!

shardul

iTrader: (1)

We can source you all the parts. It will be roughly 10K

AG6

Interested to see this progress if you decide to do it.

belarus27

not roughly for 10 grand tho

TMC M5

For roughly $10K, I might wait until all four of the current rotors are ready to be replaced, so it wouldn't be that much of an incremental cost over just replacing the stock ones.

AG6

That makes sense. Also need to calculate labor to swap out. I looked into this in the past and this seems concise list of whats needed for the swap: Prices are retail

007-420-71-20 TS DISK B 500 0 384.20 1 x f pads
231-421-15-12 BOND BRAK 500 0 3020.00 1 x f rotor
231-421-16-12 BOND BRAK 500 0 3020.00 1 x f rotor
212-421-97-98 FIXED CAL 500 0 1250.00 1 x f caliper
212-421-99-98 FIXED CAL 500 0 1250.00 1 x f caliper
218-421-00-20 BRAKE DIS 500 0 106.25 1 x f dust shield
218-421-03-20 BRAKE DIS 500 0 107.90 1 x f dust shield
212-905-70-01 BRAKE WEA 500 0 TEST 44.18 1 x brake sensor
000000-006249 SCREW 500 0 12.50 4 x f screws
001-421-19-91 TS SPREAD 500 0 32.55 2 x f pad backing
212-546-37-43 CABLE BRA 500 0 28.80 1 x f cable bracket
000-421-57-74 TS GUIDE 500 0 63.00 2 x f caliper pins
007-420-72-20 TS DISK B 500 0 299.00 1 x r pads
212-423-13-12 BOND BRAK 500 0 2800.00 1 x r rotor
212-423-14-12 BOND BRAK 500 0 2800.00 1x r rotor
212-423-47-98 FIXED CAL 500 0 935.00 1x r caliper
212-423-48-98 FIXED CAL 500 0 935.00 1 x r caliper
001-421-18-91 SPREADER 500 0 28.68 2 x r pad backing
000-421-56-74 TS BOLT P 500 0 85.05 2 x r caliper bolt
171-540-06-17 BRAKE WEA 500 9 2110H 27.90 1 X r brake sensor

Astolfo

The AMG CCB in one of my E63s wagons are nothing short of outstanding. I have one (15) with steel and one (16) with CCBs and I would not buy again one without CCB. I do not give a dam about bragging, and own other cars with and without CCBs.


For example the CCBs in a 911 4s that I take to the track pretty often are not worth the pain when you drive the car every day.

MB AUTO RACING

i have done it,it is a huge difference in braking power!!!

AG6

Can you share rough cost with labor?

Astolfo

Be careful mate! There is a lot of people that don't have them that will tell you that CCBs in a E63s are not worth it, a big expense for nothing, and that you are a poser.. In other words they blow smoke out of their a$$ and everyone is supposed to salute their "knowledge".


I have been trying to quantify the difference between CCB and steel in my wagons, and I would say that if my 2015 911 4s with CCBs is an 8, the 2016 E63s Wagon with CCBs is a 7, and the 2015 E63s with steel is a 5-4.5.


And unlike with the Porsche CCBs, the AMGs work right out of the garage, yes they get better when hot but just marginally.


In a month or so when the weather gets better and go to the track I will measure the temps. I am thinking that the P CCBs might be really meant to push the breaks like I can't with regular tires, whereas the AMGs are more oriented for day to day.


As an FYI, the steel rotors in the E63s warped (2 different sets of rotors) when going and coming from Winthrop to Seattle on the North Cascades HWY, and no I do not ride the breaks. The dealer (not Bellevue) tried to tell me that I did it on the track so they were not covered until I showed them the video. I have done North Cascades driving as hard with the CCBs and no issues at all beyond humming.


I would concede that North Cascades present a real challenge to steel rotors as there is a lot and significant and rapid temperature changes (20-30F) in the ambient temperature thus exacerbating/accelerating the rotors' temperature cycles which is never good. Maybe the steel rotors are a little undersized for the wagon?

AG6

This available on eBay looks complete https://www.ebay.com/itm/162356450088

Minimization

Yes, I am hearing $10k for the parts, not bad given it was a $13k option in 2011 dollars, and you still get to sell off what's left of your old system.

I heard the labor can be done at home with simple tools and maybe a full day. I'd wait until the steelies wear out first.

I love my CCB. I shopped for a car specifically with them. I think this is the most underrated (and under-ordered) performance option for M-B, Audi, BMW, and Porsche.

People also forget the improvement in unsprung (rotational) mass and the potential improvement on acceleration times alone.

Amg63-

What is the difference in acceleration time between an e63 with standard vs CCBs? I thought it was only like a tenth faster with CCBs.

Astolfo

Probably more like 1/100000 of a second; but will stop you a lot faster and predictably than steel. Kind of like having your MCT adapted or not, 2 different wagons.


I have 2 wagons one with and one without, not need to brag or justify, but unless the steel AMG breaks improve by about 70-80% I will never buy an AMG without CCB.


PCCBs are a different story, unless I was going to track a P car I do not need them.


I am having the dealer to swap to CCB my 2015 wagon that I lend my friend.
Nothing but the best

chiromikey

You won't notice it.

Amg63-

I would get them but I just cannot spend $10k
on brakes. Too bad I didn't get them with the car originally, I never knew about them until long after I got it.

skark_burmer

If you have your friendly local Merc dealer do the swap for you the total will come to a shade over $23k after all is said and done.
Take Shardul up on his offer for $10k. By the time you replace the worn parts on a steel setup, you will be nearly halfway there already, so really the upgrade is about $5k ish.
For me, id totally suggest going the CCB route. There is absolutely no negative aspect about them ive noticed, and they never fade no matter how retarded you drive.

Really the only concern about CCB's is if you do your own maint work, you need to be gentle with the rotors when doing wheel swaps or suspension work. they dont like to be chipped.

Plus the fanboys drool over them.

Astolfo

I was quoted for the work next week a quite a bit less... talk to your dealer if you do not want to do it yourself. Also not all CCBs rotors-pads are equal.
P CCBs are a pain when cold, AMG's are even better than steel when cold. Just saying that that you need to figure out what you want to achieve.

Gene Gorman

I have them on our 12 wagon. They are worth it just for keeping the wheels clean. Oh and boy do they stop.

10speed

Nah! Race Brake is 2k for all 4 front,rear, rotors , pads , braided lines and fluid ,there a 2 peice floating rotor to save weight and the pads are low dust the car will be dirty before the wheels, This will be the route I will go when I get 50k on my steels

Mc81b

I have driven my fair share of cars with ccb from Ferrari 458/488/ maserari mc stradale / lp700/ e63s AMG and I recently upgraded my
CBS brakes to ccb.
It definitely is costly but if u can afford it. Go for it. The rotors are 8kg per piece.

darmawaa

Night and day difference
I bought last year from Ebay for $13.100
Buy from Shardul, I bought many MB parts from him flawlessly

AG6

What was the install cost.

darmawaa

Its a 3 hour job

Mc81b

3 hour job, and You need specific bracket /hat for your vehicle , 212/218 6 pots ceramic callipers and 205 are different even in parts numbers.
If you get vehicle specific ones it's a direct plug and play.
The rotors are only 7.98kg per vs the p31 which is 20++ (unsprung weight improvement)