Amg63-

Like I said, they both look like giant jelly beans.

stealth.pilot

Well at least no one will confuse it for a $40k C300 as they will with the E63.

Amg63-

even the c300 looks better than that jelly bean.

kponti

Ok back on this. I do not care if you can buy 10 cars and 20 ski boats with the balance between the Porsche and the AMG.

If you drive the W212 E63 and the 1st gen Panamera turbo side by side, you will definitely notice an astounding difference in character. Since I barely roll race, the ability to have a hammer/power with high levels of grinning in the corners matters a lot more than just straight line performance.
I am guessing here that the new gen Panamera T will only do better in feel and feedback.

So why am I back on this??? I have been driving a 2017 E300 for a couple of hours on and off......
Very numb steering in the corners, still ugly in the rear. But so far thats about all the complaints I have. Overall feel of the car is waaay superior. The vaultlike feel of the E55 is kinda back (not as much but better than the W212).
Car is much smoother in feel and suspension, yet flatter in turns as well as easily controlled slides.
If this is the base of the E63, we have a serious machine in the upcoming the E63! With 3 chamber air suspension, this could be made to keep up with the Porsche (not necessarily at a track, just in feel sans the steering) for a lot less money.
The E could be a deal!

PeterUbers

When this new car plummets in value as all amg's do... I'll have to consider a cpo

steven0401

I have a 14 E63 Wagon which I am keeping. But probably adding a Panamera GT (the Shooting Brake station wagon version). Probably the Turbo. Porsche is 50% more expensive than the AMG.

kotsumu

I cancelled my E43 order with my dealer (my build was just taking too long to fulfill, it's delay after delay). I then placed an order with Porsche for a Panamera 4 2017.

I guess this is good-bye with this forum as well. You guys been real nice but I'm moving on to 6speed!

steven0401

Go to www.rennlist.org - by far the best Porsche forum!

kotsumu

Thanks! Will check it out too!

abcut973

I have to agree with both comments above.
Back on topic if I had $220k to spend I'll get a CPO E63S, a clk BS and a 997.2 GT3

stealth.pilot

Smart move. The E43 is already obsolete. MB released the 2018 ordering guide and there is no E43 in that.

otakki

Any news on whether it will be a true shooting brake (2-doors), or a station wagon (4-doors)?

bobblehead

Updated to include M5 now ... if you want to watch just the race ... around 3:00 mark in the video

Vic55

Damn that Hybrid moves

bobblehead

It's hard to believe the M5 lost ... as the many other online test reviews have shown the M5 wins (by a nose or 1 car length) like 8/10 straight line races.

I think they should do this test at best 3/5 times. The drivers' reaction time seemed to be the deciding factor in this round

Bibenstein

MSRP is $184,400 for the Panamera Hybrid. At 680 hp, that's $271 per hp. For the E63S, MSRP is $104,400 at 603 hp, that's $173 per hp, similar figure for the M5.

Porsche hp costs 56% more than an E63S hp. Ouch.

Vic55

Porsche tax, and I have no problem with that LOL... we can always equate performance to pricing (by citing the variances) unless we compare E63S's to E63S's.

DriveAMG

Vic55

Yeah I hear you- dont get me wrong, I have the E63S and wouldnt not buy a softy like the Panny but it is pretty impressive price not withstanding. I already spent enough on a GTS which is a poor mans Turbo LOL

E634Me

Interesting description of how to engage launch control on the E63. I thought you just rock the switch down to Sport+ or Race and stomp the brake and throttle peddles and presto, you're in launch control mode. Release brake and away you go.

In fact, I thought switching off traction control was not recommended for optimal launches. Never been requested to do any right paddle confirmation for anything other than drift mode.

Carac

To get a comparably equipped hybrid Porsche (which I believe is the only Panamera model faster than an E63S) to a loaded E63 you're well into $220k+. That doesn't even include if you want to get into personal customization options. I spec'd one online in Chalk with just a few matching trim pieces and was bumping up against a quarter million.

DriveAMG

78degrees

I'm not surpriced.
Real life tests has shown me that M5 is slower than my wagon. However it's faster than RS6.
I've not raced from 0 but mostly from 120kph up.

bobblehead

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