Teaser pics for ADV1 20" on DW '12 CLS63.

[ajag]

After hemming and hawing trying to decide if I should sell these before I mount them and go w/ the cleaner classic mesh P40SC, I decided to put them on. And I like (the look). Weight is another story, see my post below. Will take better pics after detail this Fri. Track Spec Contoured Profile ADV08 20x9 +28 20x11 +29 Center Disc Finish : Gloss Black Lip Finish: Brushed Gunmetal Inner Finish: Gloss Black

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[Vic55]

I like them, how much do the weigh??

Im surprised you got a 20x11 et 29 on the rear. I ran a 20x11 et 33 on my CLS and if it was out, literally 1 or 2 more mm I would rub. It looks like you still have room on yours and you are running 4mm lower than I was.

Here is my car slammed on et 33- its a bad angle but trust me we tested it on angled driveways with tire dressing. Another 1mm and the dressing would come off.

[ajag]

They never made this fitment before so they gave me a weight estimate of 24/27# F/R based on this style wheel. I was VERY unhappy when they came in and weighed a portly 32/34. Since this is my third set of ADVs and I was happy w/ the two prior (for my GT2 and the R8) and they had weighed as advertised (of course those fitments had been made before), I was quite pissed that ADV's only response to this markedly heavier weight was that the estimate was just an estimate. No return, no refund, no discount, nothing. Needless to say, I'm done w/ ADV1 and their ridiculously poor customer service. I told myself I wouldn't go immediately out and start bashing them on the forums, but when asked about the weights, I am not going to lie.

You (and IND) were right, I should have gone w/ HRE. Much better customer service, lighter wheels, better reputation. I'm very happy w/ the look of the ADV08, but there is no doubt in my mind that I can feel the weight of these suckers. Turn in response is more sluggish, starting from a dig, and braking is more sluggish. They hook up better largely due to the 305s in back.

All in all, bottom line, ADV makes some phenomenal looking wheels, but I will never order another set from them, nor will I ever recommend them to anyone.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by ajag

They never made this fitment before so they gave me a weight estimate of 24/27# F/R based on this style wheel. I was VERY unhappy when they came in and weighed a portly 32/34. Since this is my third set of ADVs and I was happy w/ the two prior (for my GT2 and the R8) and they had weighed as advertised (of course those fitments had been made before), I was quite pissed that ADV's only response to this markedly heavier weight was that the estimate was just an estimate. No return, no refund, no discount, nothing. Needless to say, I'm done w/ ADV1 and their ridiculously poor customer service. I told myself I wouldn't go immediately out and start bashing them on the forums, but when asked about the weights, I am not going to lie.

You (and IND) were right, I should have gone w/ HRE. Much better customer service, lighter wheels, better reputation. I'm very happy w/t he look of the ADV08, but there is no doubt in my mind that I can feel the weight of these suckers. Turn in response is more sluggish, starting from a dig, and braking is more sluggish. They hook up better largely due to the 305s in back.

All in all, bottom line, ADV makes some phenomenal looking wheels, but I will never order another set from them, nor will I ever recommend them to anyone.

Sorry to hear bro---- man those things are tanks and no wonder you could feel them. That is waaaaaaaaay too much unsprung weight to forgive in a high performance coupe.

FYI my 20x9 HRE's weighed 21lbs and my 20x11's weighed 22lbs.

[ajag]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Sorry to hear bro---- man those things are tanks and no wonder you could feel them. That is waaaaaaaaay too much unsprung weight to forgive in a high performance coupe.

FYI my 20x9 HRE's weighed 21lbs and my 20x11's weighed 22lbs.

Thanks man. You live and learn, LOL. If this is any indication of their service, I can see why they were banned from 6speedonline.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by ajag

Thanks man. You live and learn, LOL. If this is any indication of their service, I can see why they were banned from 6speedonline.

I can't comment (not allowed to) on that as a mod. But I think your set of HRE's will make you very very happy.

[db71]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Sorry to hear bro---- man those things are tanks and no wonder you could feel them. That is waaaaaaaaay too much unsprung weight to forgive in a high performance coupe.

FYI my 20x9 HRE's weighed 21lbs and my 20x11's weighed 22lbs.

That weight is awesome. What were they with tires? What did the stock take off with tires weigh?

OP whats 12 extra pounds of unspung weight At least you have the ecu tune right. Even if you get in the 24/25 bracket you would be doing good.

[ajag]

Originally Posted by db71

That weight is awesome. What were they with tires? What did the stock take off with tires weigh?

OP whats 12 extra pounds of unspung weight At least you have the ecu tune right. Even if you get in the 24/25 bracket you would be doing good.

The car is still fast, obviously, and I don't really care too much about the sluggish handling so much as the inertia you have to overcome starting from a dig. That and the sluggish braking. This stuff would bother me at 1k per wheel, at twice that, not to mention 8-10 wks production time, it's ridiculous.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by db71

That weight is awesome. What were they with tires? What did the stock take off with tires weigh?

OP whats 12 extra pounds of unspung weight At least you have the ecu tune right. Even if you get in the 24/25 bracket you would be doing good.

I think they were 48 lbs front each and 51 lbs rear each vs 55 fronts and 59 lbs rear for the stockers... but Im not 100% sure about the HRE's with tires.

[Thericker]

Originally Posted by ajag

They never made this fitment before so they gave me a weight estimate of 24/27# F/R based on this style wheel. I was VERY unhappy when they came in and weighed a portly 32/34. Since this is my third set of ADVs and I was happy w/ the two prior (for my GT2 and the R8) and they had weighed as advertised (of course those fitments had been made before), I was quite pissed that ADV's only response to this markedly heavier weight was that the estimate was just an estimate. No return, no refund, no discount, nothing. Needless to say, I'm done w/ ADV1 and their ridiculously poor customer service. I told myself I wouldn't go immediately out and start bashing them on the forums, but when asked about the weights, I am not going to lie.

You (and IND) were right, I should have gone w/ HRE. Much better customer service, lighter wheels, better reputation. I'm very happy w/ the look of the ADV08, but there is no doubt in my mind that I can feel the weight of these suckers. Turn in response is more sluggish, starting from a dig, and braking is more sluggish. They hook up better largely due to the 305s in back.

All in all, bottom line, ADV makes some phenomenal looking wheels, but I will never order another set from them, nor will I ever recommend them to anyone.

32 lb frnts 34 lb rears wtf is Track Spec supposed to mean to them??? IE that implies Light Weight for better Track Performance.. Those boat anchors are killing easy 25-30 rwhp & same in rwtq, that's what you're feeling..

I thought my Rennen-Forged Extreme-Concaves weighed a lot they're 20x13 rr 20x10 frnt never officially weighed them but I've handled & know what a 20-25 lb wheel feels like both ON/OFF the car, mine easily weigh 60-65 lbs frnt 65-70 lbs rr (with tires, 255/30 & 345/25) I Dyno'd pre-post install, loosing 30 rwhp vs 18" wheels weighing 20-25 lbs.

Back on Topic, I've talked to owner Jordan (if memory serves) of ADV.1 & ALL he seems to care about is $$$$$

I'm in the hunt for some REAL Track Spec 18"s (I'm after perf & sick of skinny sidewalls etc) CCW offers real deal Forged etc even in my oversized needs for Widebody @ 18x13 & 18x10 18-19 lbs frnt 20-21 lbs rr

[pgordon888]

Originally Posted by ajag

The car is still fast, obviously, and I don't really care too much about the sluggish handling so much as the inertia you have to overcome starting from a dig. That and the sluggish braking. This stuff would bother me at 1k per wheel, at twice that, not to mention 8-10 wks production time, it's ridiculous.

This is not good to hear. I thought I had narrowed my wheel search down to the 20 inch Adv1 5.01 or 5.1sl. The weight estimates I am getting are as follows:


20x9 20x11
5.1 - 25, 27
5.1 SL - 22, 24

5.01 - 24.5, 26.5
5.01 SL - 22, 24

10.1 - 25.5, 27.5
10.1 SL - 22, 24


If they are not going to weigh in as estimated I am going to be very pissed.

[HRE_Wheels]

Even for a 3 piece wheel, our Comp90 Series wheel in 20" would be between 20-23 lbs. Anything heavier than the OE wheel weights would reduce the performance of your vehicle.

Here is picture of actual wheel weights for Vic55's CLS63.

P40SC - 20x11 - 22.4 lbs



Our 1pc is definitely a great option if your looking for a strong light weight option.


Mercedes CLS63 W218 P40SC Satin Black by HRE Wheels, on Flickr

[pgordon888]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I think they were 48 lbs front each and 51 lbs rear each vs 55 fronts and 59 lbs rear for the stockers... but Im not 100% sure about the HRE's with tires.

I think I backed into a 28 lb. front, 32 lb. rear weight for the OEM forged 19s off of those numbers before by using the tirerack weights for the Contis.

Those are some heavy wheels too.

[db71]

Lon

What is your comp series??? Flat profile,step lip, titanium bolts????

[HRE_Wheels]

Originally Posted by db71

Lon

What is your comp series??? Flat profile,step lip, titanium bolts????

Yes. Flat profile, step lip, ti bolts. 20" fitments are commonly 20-21 lbs.

Vic55 had a set of C97 on his E63, he might remember the wheel weights of his setup.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Lon@HRE

Yes. Flat profile, step lip, ti bolts. 20" fitments are commonly 20-21 lbs.

Vic55 had a set of C97 on his E63, he might remember the wheel weights of his setup.

I had C97's:

20x9 and 20x10

Both weighed 21lbs...

[_AMG_]

^^^
Still my all time favorite W212 E63.

@ajag
The ADV.1's look simply awesome on your ride!

[CampioniShop]

The SLs will be lighter than the standard ADV1 line ups even their Track Function (3 piece step lip classic) as the wheels are specifically engineered for your CLS's load rating, widths, offsets and caliper clearance. Your weight estimates seem to be very close to what they would weight.

It's easy to slam on a company that can't defend itself, from our experience ADV1 has been nothing short of amazing on customer service. There are cheaper and/or lighter wheels out there sure, but ADV1 has put out more innovative and detailed designs than any other company in this industry within 3 years. If you see value in this, ADV1 is an amazing wheel selection.

Originally Posted by pgordon888

This is not good to hear. I thought I had narrowed my wheel search down to the 20 inch Adv1 5.01 or 5.1sl. The weight estimates I am getting are as follows:


20x9 20x11
5.1 - 25, 27
5.1 SL - 22, 24

5.01 - 24.5, 26.5
5.01 SL - 22, 24

10.1 - 25.5, 27.5
10.1 SL - 22, 24


If they are not going to weigh in as estimated I am going to be very pissed.

[WhitePano]

Originally Posted by CampioniShop

The SLs will be lighter than the standard ADV1 line ups even their Track Function (3 piece step lip classic) as the wheels are specifically engineered for your CLS's load rating, widths, offsets and caliper clearance.

I was speaking to a local dealer and he informed me this was only true on the SL TRACK SPECIFIC series, not the standard sl models. Is that bad information?

[db71]

Originally Posted by CampioniShop

The SLs will be lighter than the standard ADV1 line ups even their Track Function (3 piece step lip classic) as the wheels are specifically engineered for your CLS's load rating, widths, offsets and caliper clearance. Your weight estimates seem to be very close to what they would weight.

It's easy to slam on a company that can't defend itself, from our experience ADV1 has been nothing short of amazing on customer service. There are cheaper and/or lighter wheels out there sure, but ADV1 has put out more innovative and detailed designs than any other company in this industry within 3 years. If you see value in this, ADV1 is an amazing wheel selection.

I do not think anybody has slammed on ADV1 in this thread. A 3 time customer was upset when what he had been told did not turn out to be true. Another customer said he was thinking about changing his decision based off of this.

[CampioniShop]

Originally Posted by WhitePano

I was speaking to a local dealer and he informed me this was only true on the SL TRACK SPECIFIC series, not the standard sl models. Is that bad information?

All SL series come standard with back pad pocketing, race prep and side spoke pocketing. They are weight optimized designs when compared to the initial designs they are based from.

The Track Specific series is pushed even further by building 6 wheels and using 2 wheels along with 2 tires as "test" wheels to push the envelope of development and weight reduction. These 2 extra wheels are destroyed.
The Track Specific also have additional weight reduction through titanium hardware (fasteners and nuts/bolts)

[ajag]

Originally Posted by db71

I do not think anybody has slammed on ADV1 in this thread. A 3 time customer was upset when what he had been told did not turn out to be true. Another customer said he was thinking about changing his decision based off of this.

Exactly. I merely related my experiences with what anyone would consider a poor customer service response from ADV after my wheels came in 25% heavier than their estimate. I hope you don't advocate for your customers like this.

I am cautiously optimistic, though, that things will be resolved soon. ADV has contacted me and I will be discussing the situation with them soon, and will keep you guys posted.

[CampioniShop]

Originally Posted by db71

I do not think anybody has slammed on ADV1 in this thread. A 3 time customer was upset when what he had been told did not turn out to be true. Another customer said he was thinking about changing his decision based off of this.

The majority of your posts on this forum and over on M3post is about bashing wheel companies. We will never truly know what your true intentions are, you claim it all started from a set of COR Forged wheels that weren't to your likings.

That thread on M3Post has become a melting pot of ADV1 bashers where you eloquently linked to this MBworld thread and kept on fueling the debate that is no longer related to the OP.

As noted above, in traditional ADV1 fashion they will take care of this customer. Unfortunately it seems he was originally misinformed on wheel weights and that is all on ADV1/his dealer. It's part of our job to educate customers on wheel manufacturing and processes.

The ADV1 Track Specs are contoured - concave designs based off the heaviest forging that ADV1 uses. The contoured design and forging profile both add considerable amount of weight to the wheel. They are first and foremost an amazing looking wheel rather than a performance wheel. If the OP's goal was a light weight wheel, ADV1 or his dealer should have re-directed him towards the Track Function or SL series. That's an error on ADV1/the dealer's part, not the customer.

[db71]

Originally Posted by CampioniShop

The majority of your posts on this forum and over on M3post is about bashing wheel companies. We will never truly know what your true intentions are, you claim it all started from a set of COR Forged wheels that weren't to your likings.

That thread on M3Post has become a melting pot of ADV1 bashers where you eloquently linked to this MBworld thread and kept on fueling the debate that is no longer related to the OP.

As noted above, in traditional ADV1 fashion they will take care of this customer. Unfortunately it seems he was originally misinformed on wheel weights and that is all on ADV1/his dealer. It's part of our job to educate customers on wheel manufacturing and processes.

The ADV1 Track Specs are contoured - concave designs based off the heaviest forging that ADV1 uses. The contoured design and forging profile both add considerable amount of weight to the wheel. They are first and foremost an amazing looking wheel rather than a performance wheel. If the OP's goal was a light weight wheel, ADV1 or his dealer should have re-directed him towards the Track Function or SL series. That's an error on ADV1/the dealer's part, not the customer.

Whoa. I did not bash anyone in this thread and I actually stood up for ADV1 on many occasions on M3post to the point I was called a fanboy. I posted the link after the cut and paste of the info from another member was taken out of context I actually said when I posted that it was unrelated to the thread.


Now I bashed on you because you basically said in posts on this forum that COR supplies HRE with their forgings which is BS. EDIT I see you deleted the the posts where this was said. You just let it stand for 2 months and let people believe it.

I never said it started with COR but if you want to think that then you may not be far off. Whatever it was it involved more sets of wheels then you probably sold last year so no its not over one set of wheels.


And now none of this has a damn thing to do with this thread here.

And good for ADV1 for trying to resolve the problem here. I will say problems are probably easier resolved before making it to the forums.

I will say this there is a lot of BS in the wheel industry from bs marketing tactics to way underestimated delivery times.

Here are a couple examples From random companies

"we engineer a wheel specifically for your car"

well you put some on a white car mine is black is the engineering different do I still need to buy 6 and have 2 tested.

"We have always been a 4 to 5 week company"

well its been 10 weeks where are my wheels.

[E-SICKTY3]

Originally Posted by db71

well its been 10 weeks where are my wheels.

Just FYI, my ADV set of wheels took 3 1/2 months (as well as my friends ADV wheels - fastest ADV wheels that my friend got 1 1/2 months)
To my perspective what I see from them (ADV.1), we only buy the wheels design.