Under invoice???
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Under invoice???
I am new to the forum and in the market for a c230 SS and I am trying to get some numbers to work with. Are you guys really getting them under invoice 
? I just ran a carsdirectprice and even that one has the price of a $100 OVER invoice. TIA.
? I just ran a carsdirectprice and even that one has the price of a $100 OVER invoice. TIA.
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You don't list where you live but in some parts of the country, MBs sell for thousands below invoice. I paid $25K for a C230K SS last year and that was $7k off sticker or about $5K below invoice using a coupon. But realistically, you can get a car in So Cal for about $2K below invoice or about $4k below sticker. If it wasn't for the really low price and free car washes I would not have bought a benz, they don't even offer free maintenance anymore like Audi, Jag and BMW.
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If you aren't in one of the major market areas -- California and the East Coast, you probably will have to pay invoice or even $500 over. And that's Dealer Invoice, which equals Edmunds invoice + IRG (advertising fee), which is in the $300 - $500 range.
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Originally Posted by Buellwinkle
If it wasn't for the really low price and free car washes I would not have bought a benz, they don't even offer free maintenance anymore like Audi, Jag and BMW.
You still playin' that tune
People that care so little about a car that they only chose it for free car washes, would NOT participate on an enthusiast forum the way you do.
All you used to do was complain about your last MB's poor reliability and how you were getting the new Mustang. You could have bought an '05 Mustang GT for the price of your Benz!
No SANE person would buy a new version of the SAME car that gave them as much trouble as your old car did just for free car washes and WITHOUT free maintenance!
I can only guess you're in some sort of denial
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Originally Posted by ctC230K
Mine was $1 below invoice and i got it with 2 years of free service included and they made my first month's payment.
What are your monthly payments?
How many miles are you allowed per year? Much much per mile over that?
When does the lease end and what is the residual?
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I know a lot of these under-invoice deals are bonafide, but where there's a trade-in involved, I don't think you can really make a statement about what you paid for your new car because you could have gotten a lousy or excellent amount for your old car. I wonder if everybody realizes that?
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I'm in Connecticut. We have a dealer in Hartford and I can alos drive to Massachusetts and there is a dealer in West Springfield. The only time i have gotten cars under invoice was when there was some kind of incentive and i haven't found any on this car. Oh I plan on buying it and not leasing. Thanks for help. I bought my 2000 Audi a4 for $500 over invoice and I thought was a good deal.
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Originally Posted by Jim Banville
What was the total amount due at lease signing?
What are your monthly payments?
How many miles are you allowed per year? Much much per mile over that?
When does the lease end and what is the residual?
What are your monthly payments?
How many miles are you allowed per year? Much much per mile over that?
When does the lease end and what is the residual?
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Originally Posted by amg-benz
I'm in Connecticut. We have a dealer in Hartford and I can alos drive to Massachusetts and there is a dealer in West Springfield. The only time i have gotten cars under invoice was when there was some kind of incentive and i haven't found any on this car. Oh I plan on buying it and not leasing. Thanks for help. I bought my 2000 Audi a4 for $500 over invoice and I thought was a good deal.
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Remember dealers have a 3% of MSRP holdback on the deal, and they get an additional 2% if they are rated excellent by you. C320's right now have an additional 1500 cash to dealer through 3-31-05. If you are headed to Europe, you can get 7% off MSRP. No, you don't need to wait and pickup your car in Europe and schelp it to a shipper. Just get customs in any EU country to stamp your paperwork, and your car is on the way to your dealer.
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Every dealer gets a different deal. Fletcher Jones gets a better package than Joe Blow Benz in mid-America. Actually, there are really only a couple of people at the dealership that really know the "true" cost of the car. Some dealers are invoiced quarterly or bi-annually for thier cars, and could have sold you the car, got the money and drew intrest on it for several months before being invoiced.... Larger dealers also get better short term financing (flooring) and bigger splits on the holdback.
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Jimbo, I really wanted the Mustang but only the convertible and when they announced that they weren't going to do the convertible for another year I lost interest, still do like it though. Also, my wife wanted to get a Wrangler and I thought 2 inpractical cars was not going to work. The opportunity came about get a 2004.5 C230 SS at an incredible price, the last of the free maintenance MBs plus get a sunroof, seating for one more and 2 extra doors.
As far as reliability, yes, my first 4 MBs where failures in this department but I never said I didn't like the cars, I loved the car, the service, the free car washes, the cookies, just hated the realiability. Don't regret the new car one bit, the car has been flawless for 10K miles so far (didn't think that was possible with MB). At my A service. The service advisor asked me if anything they wanted me to check/do beside the A service and I was speachless, nothing wrong. Maybe I'm crazy for trying one more try with MB but dumb luck was on my side this time. I would like to think the new one is more reliable because MB read all of our complaints on the forum.
As far as reliability, yes, my first 4 MBs where failures in this department but I never said I didn't like the cars, I loved the car, the service, the free car washes, the cookies, just hated the realiability. Don't regret the new car one bit, the car has been flawless for 10K miles so far (didn't think that was possible with MB). At my A service. The service advisor asked me if anything they wanted me to check/do beside the A service and I was speachless, nothing wrong. Maybe I'm crazy for trying one more try with MB but dumb luck was on my side this time. I would like to think the new one is more reliable because MB read all of our complaints on the forum.
Originally Posted by Jim Banville
You still playin' that tune
People that care so little about a car that they only chose it for free car washes, would NOT participate on an enthusiast forum the way you do.
All you used to do was complain about your last MB's poor reliability and how you were getting the new Mustang. You could have bought an '05 Mustang GT for the price of your Benz!
No SANE person would buy a new version of the SAME car that gave them as much trouble as your old car did just for free car washes and WITHOUT free maintenance!
I can only guess you're in some sort of denial
People that care so little about a car that they only chose it for free car washes, would NOT participate on an enthusiast forum the way you do.
All you used to do was complain about your last MB's poor reliability and how you were getting the new Mustang. You could have bought an '05 Mustang GT for the price of your Benz!
No SANE person would buy a new version of the SAME car that gave them as much trouble as your old car did just for free car washes and WITHOUT free maintenance!
I can only guess you're in some sort of denial
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Originally Posted by Buellwinkle
I loved the car
Does the 2004.5 have the new interior? I think the new interior is INCREDIBLE and makes the pre'-05 W203's look very dated! I've seen Vinzim's '02 C32 in the classified section and thought about how I could've gotten it for just a few grand more than what I spent on my car, but when I see those pics of the old interior, those gunt wrenching buyer's remorse feelings loosen up
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Originally Posted by Buellwinkle
I would like to think the new one is more reliable because MB read all of our complaints on the forum.
You would be right if you thought someone who reports to the CEO has a full time staff that surfs the net, and provides a digest of ideas expressed by owners.
I have seen manufacturers assist dealers in a non-cash fashion, like paid trips to new model introductions, training dealer staff, and paying for commercials that run in theaters. Perhaps Mr. Rizzo has some insight of other types of vig Auto Nation gets that Fletcher Jones, Jr. does not get.
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Except in a very few markets where there are lots of MB dealers who have to compete for your business, do not expect to get much below Dealer MSRP (Retail) price. There are three dealers here in the Dallas market, and they all wanted Retail in 2001. In So-Cal there are a dozen or more dealers...
Among the car manufacturers, MB is not one to share any of it's wholesale pricing, dealer hold-backs (if any) with customers.
Among the car manufacturers, MB is not one to share any of it's wholesale pricing, dealer hold-backs (if any) with customers.
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Originally Posted by Jim Banville
What was the total amount due at lease signing?
What are your monthly payments?
How many miles are you allowed per year? Much much per mile over that?
When does the lease end and what is the residual?
What are your monthly payments?
How many miles are you allowed per year? Much much per mile over that?
When does the lease end and what is the residual?
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Black 2005 Mercedes-Benz C230WZ 4DR SDN
157 Miles
Options: Sunroof, Heated Seats, Power Seats
MSRP (sticker price) $29,250
Options + Destination $33,040
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Dealer Net Price $27,203
Options + Destination (INVOICE) $31,178
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Gross Capitalized Cost (my price) $31,177
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First Month's Payment $424.91
Capitalized Cost Reduction $922.33
Acquisition Fee $1000
Sales Tax $145.76
First Year's Title, License, Registration Fees $158
Doc Fee $349
Amount Due at Signing $3,000
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Monthly Payment $424.91
Term 39 Months
15,000 Miles/year, 48,750 miles total allowed, $0.15/mile over
Extras:
Service Plan 2 Years or 26,000 miles value $576
First month's payment $425, no payments for 60 days
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Residual Value $18,832.60
Total of Base Monthly Payments $19,496.58
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Forms they made me sign:
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Privacy Notice
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Registration and Titling Information
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Progressive Drive Insurance 6 months $780
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Well after doing some research it looks as if the cars that are selling $1000-$2000 under invoice are all in Calif. So i did a carsdirect in Cali and Connecticut (and sure enough). The car with options i am looking at retails for 35,590. Dealer Invoice in cali is 600 higher than in CT . Cali invoice $33,752 and CT invoice 33,152. But price in Calif is 32,052 thats $1,600 under "cali" invoice. Price in CT is 33,250 that $100 over CT invoice.
Looks like i'll be lucky to get the car at about invoice here in CT.
. Cali invoice $33,752 and CT invoice 33,152. But price in Calif is 32,052 thats $1,600 under "cali" invoice. Price in CT is 33,250 that $100 over CT invoice. Looks like i'll be lucky to get the car at about invoice here in CT.
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Originally Posted by amg-benz
Well after doing some research it looks as if the cars that are selling $1000-$2000 under invoice are all in Calif. So i did a carsdirect in Cali and Connecticut (and sure enough). The car with options i am looking at retails for 35,590. Dealer Invoice in cali is 600 higher than in CT . Cali invoice $33,752 and CT invoice 33,152. But price in Calif is 32,052 thats $1,600 under "cali" invoice. Price in CT is 33,250 that $100 over CT invoice.
Looks like i'll be lucky to get the car at about invoice here in CT.
. Cali invoice $33,752 and CT invoice 33,152. But price in Calif is 32,052 thats $1,600 under "cali" invoice. Price in CT is 33,250 that $100 over CT invoice. Looks like i'll be lucky to get the car at about invoice here in CT.
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Invoice is the amount the factory charges the dealer for the vehicle. This price is the same for all cars, all dealers. The holdback is the percentage of MSRP that the factory gives the dealer when they report the car sold. At the time of the sale, there may be other cash from the factory going to the dealer to move inventory or to encourage sale of demo's when they are least likely to impact new unit sales. You might find 600 dollar differences on cars that are the same because DaimlerChrysler has recently raised some US prices because of the weak Dollar.
