AMG GT R Spied
04-05-2016, 03:44 PM
#28
It's not a question of capability, it's a question of will...and by will, I mean will the bean counters at Mercedes let them beat Porsche. That's the only limiting factor. If Mercedes allowed even 10% of its track prowess in F1, DTM, and GT3 to trickle down into their road cars this wouldn't be a conversation.
And I think they're starting to do that. I know the boys in Brackley played a big role in developing the 4 banger we see in the A45. I hope the trend continues.
And I think they're starting to do that. I know the boys in Brackley played a big role in developing the 4 banger we see in the A45. I hope the trend continues.
Last edited by Uhlenhaut; 04-05-2016 at 03:56 PM.
06-04-2016, 07:04 PM
#30
Junior Member
It's not a question of capability, it's a question of will...and by will, I mean will the bean counters at Mercedes let them beat Porsche. That's the only limiting factor. If Mercedes allowed even 10% of its track prowess in F1, DTM, and GT3 to trickle down into their road cars this wouldn't be a conversation.
If it nears 200 after options, you'd be insane not to purchase a turbo s or Audi R8. It's sad dealers have gouged us on the price in the gt3 RS. Spend a little more and pick up a hurucan, and include that as something in your bucket list.
Last edited by Geiss; 06-04-2016 at 07:11 PM.
06-04-2016, 07:23 PM
#31
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Resold as a CPO ? Cmon
I look at the turbo S as a leftover from the 90s. Especially the interior at 210k
Alien alert!
I look at the turbo S as a leftover from the 90s. Especially the interior at 210k
Alien alert!
Last edited by AMG 17GT; 06-04-2016 at 07:35 PM.
06-05-2016, 10:20 AM
#32
The 991 and 991.2 TT's although extremely fast and very capable are not in the same market niche when compared to the hard core rawness of the 993's before the turn of the century and the air cooled era.
The Porsche GT cars have usurped the role of the once mighty turbo...
Looking forward to the release of the GT R at Goodwood to see what it brings...
Last edited by 23215; 06-05-2016 at 11:33 AM.
06-06-2016, 02:14 AM
#33
Mercedes will never surpass Porsche. As wonderful as the GTR will be, it's questionable if it's worth the 160-180 theyll be asking. The Porsche was created with thoughtful precision. The Mercedes was created to sell back to a dealer in two years so it can be resold as CPO. Riddled with issues that'll begin to rear their ugly head within your short time of ownership, issues you would never expect to see from a car in that price range, after purchase, you'll find that you're left with an expensive hot potato and the dealer has you by your ***** as he low ***** you a purchase-back price. Meanwhile Mercedes will refer to your issues as "normal operation."
If it nears 200 after options, you'd be insane not to purchase a turbo s or Audi R8. It's sad dealers have gouged us on the price in the gt3 RS. Spend a little more and pick up a hurucan, and include that as something in your bucket list.
If it nears 200 after options, you'd be insane not to purchase a turbo s or Audi R8. It's sad dealers have gouged us on the price in the gt3 RS. Spend a little more and pick up a hurucan, and include that as something in your bucket list.
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06-08-2016, 07:10 PM
#34
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Not long ago it was thought to be an unwritten agreement between Porsche and MB, Porsche wouldn't make Sedans and MB wouldn't make sports cars. Can I substantiate it, no, but many German's I talked to thought this to be true. Then one day Porsche management see's the light in order to survive they need more mainstream cars to fund building low volume expensive sports cars. They partner with VW/ Audi and start building SUV and sharing platforms. I'll skip the part about trying to leverage buyout of VW which failed. The Porsche loyalist call blasphemy but slowly settle down with more options to choose from. Leather cup holders or Porsche crests on the wheel centers.
MB sees this and says lets start building sports cars, McLaren SLR, SLS and now the AMG GT-S. Then low and behold the magazine testers do head to head and many rate the GT-S a better driver than the 911.2 turbo and it's for $55k less! Randy Pobst test them and he says the AMG GT-S is the one car he'd like to have sex with. The lap times are within a whisker of each other with the GT-S some 60 hp less.
The AMG GT is the first real challenge to the 911 and 991.2 turbo and given the head to head node to the GT is a significant step. The Porsche faithful are in full denial. Not that Ring times are the end all but if the GT3-RS is turning 7:20's and the 991.2 Turbo S is clocked at 7:18 ( a full 10 seconds less than a Nismo!)
The AMG GT-R will be in the hunt in the Ring time and most likely will the best the GT3RS (which some testers say is a lot more fussy that a regular GT3).
I've owned three turbo Porsche's and was seriously considering another (actually I wasn't) lack of space for golf clubs etc and previous ownership quickly brought me to my senses. When I drove the GT-S, I ordered it on the spot.
It has balance like a 944 turbo track car or 928 GTS street car, power and incredible interior which is what you look at most in a car. Mine's being built this month as I head to Germany to take a peak at the assembly line and maybe a AMG GT-R.
I left out the part about the F1 technology trickling down to improve AMG's turbo's which I think in itself passes Porsche old school turbo design. So much for never surpassing Porsche. Free Cool Aid for the all and how about the leather covered instrument bezels...
MB sees this and says lets start building sports cars, McLaren SLR, SLS and now the AMG GT-S. Then low and behold the magazine testers do head to head and many rate the GT-S a better driver than the 911.2 turbo and it's for $55k less! Randy Pobst test them and he says the AMG GT-S is the one car he'd like to have sex with. The lap times are within a whisker of each other with the GT-S some 60 hp less.
The AMG GT is the first real challenge to the 911 and 991.2 turbo and given the head to head node to the GT is a significant step. The Porsche faithful are in full denial. Not that Ring times are the end all but if the GT3-RS is turning 7:20's and the 991.2 Turbo S is clocked at 7:18 ( a full 10 seconds less than a Nismo!)
The AMG GT-R will be in the hunt in the Ring time and most likely will the best the GT3RS (which some testers say is a lot more fussy that a regular GT3).
I've owned three turbo Porsche's and was seriously considering another (actually I wasn't) lack of space for golf clubs etc and previous ownership quickly brought me to my senses. When I drove the GT-S, I ordered it on the spot.
It has balance like a 944 turbo track car or 928 GTS street car, power and incredible interior which is what you look at most in a car. Mine's being built this month as I head to Germany to take a peak at the assembly line and maybe a AMG GT-R.
I left out the part about the F1 technology trickling down to improve AMG's turbo's which I think in itself passes Porsche old school turbo design. So much for never surpassing Porsche. Free Cool Aid for the all and how about the leather covered instrument bezels...
06-08-2016, 07:31 PM
#35
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I've often wondered about what you said, especially when it came to the regular Sl or sport Liecht. It was supposed to be a light sports car all along and turned into a heavy luxury 2 door while the 911 went the other way. Strange.
I believe the two brands realized early that it was better to not compete with each other in terms of likeness but more importantly powertrains as Porsche went with sixes and Mercedes went with eights.
With the GT it's game on..
I believe the two brands realized early that it was better to not compete with each other in terms of likeness but more importantly powertrains as Porsche went with sixes and Mercedes went with eights.
With the GT it's game on..
06-08-2016, 09:48 PM
#36
Nice post there Jim Brady....
I still love the 997.2 GT3 but it is for sale, time for a change after six years and the 991 GT3 in the longer wheelbase just felt cavernous to me. The entire 991 model line just does not speak to me and the outrageous prices being asked for the 991 GT3 RS leave me speechless. I also had a beautiful 993 turbo which I sold a year ago and yes I sold it for a crazy profit. Bought it some years ago and I drove it hard, beautiful car but with prices escalating as they were, it did not make any sense to hang on to it. Let it sit idle now in someone else's garage....
So, I have a depo down on the new GT-R if that is what it is going to be named. Number two at my dealer, not sure if that will get me one but if not I'll pick up an S and be very happy indeed. The price is right. Not going to argue with Randy Pobst on this one, these are beautiful cars...
Soolman32, I agree that it is highly unlikely that the AMG will embarrass the 991GT3RS let alone knock it off the top, if it can be spoken about in the same breath, it would be a victory!!! Let's hope so....
So looking forward to Goodwood!!!
I still love the 997.2 GT3 but it is for sale, time for a change after six years and the 991 GT3 in the longer wheelbase just felt cavernous to me. The entire 991 model line just does not speak to me and the outrageous prices being asked for the 991 GT3 RS leave me speechless. I also had a beautiful 993 turbo which I sold a year ago and yes I sold it for a crazy profit. Bought it some years ago and I drove it hard, beautiful car but with prices escalating as they were, it did not make any sense to hang on to it. Let it sit idle now in someone else's garage....
So, I have a depo down on the new GT-R if that is what it is going to be named. Number two at my dealer, not sure if that will get me one but if not I'll pick up an S and be very happy indeed. The price is right. Not going to argue with Randy Pobst on this one, these are beautiful cars...
Soolman32, I agree that it is highly unlikely that the AMG will embarrass the 991GT3RS let alone knock it off the top, if it can be spoken about in the same breath, it would be a victory!!! Let's hope so....
So looking forward to Goodwood!!!
06-09-2016, 01:40 AM
#37
Super Member
GTR confirmed at 570HP. Also new E63 will also have the same 570HP Engine as the GTR, the E63S will have a 604hp version of the 4.0L.
I am hearing possibility of larger turbos. Not sure if that's for both the 570/604 or just the 604 & eventually black series version which will be estimated at 650hp supposedly.
I too heard base price of $160k... But that includes the Carbon Ceramic brakes as standard (so it's really not that much more expensive when you factor in how much more comes standard versus a stock GTS). I heard Dynamic package will also be included along with active aero, wider wheels & stickier tires and wider body kit.
Should be a monster for not that much more money
I am hearing possibility of larger turbos. Not sure if that's for both the 570/604 or just the 604 & eventually black series version which will be estimated at 650hp supposedly.
I too heard base price of $160k... But that includes the Carbon Ceramic brakes as standard (so it's really not that much more expensive when you factor in how much more comes standard versus a stock GTS). I heard Dynamic package will also be included along with active aero, wider wheels & stickier tires and wider body kit.
Should be a monster for not that much more money
06-14-2016, 03:49 PM
#40
MBWorld Fanatic!
Don't think we'll get those seats in the US. Same was true of the CLK63 BS as not DOT approved.
06-17-2016, 02:46 PM
#43
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06-17-2016, 04:04 PM
#44
The promos for this car have been brilliant.
Here's the most recent one with Lewis:
And another which actually shows the car:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BGruxJVu...aken-by=rokenr
Here's the most recent one with Lewis:
And another which actually shows the car:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BGruxJVu...aken-by=rokenr
06-24-2016, 08:34 AM
#46
MBWorld Fanatic!
Thought we'd bring this GT3 RS fighter to the front page as well...
https://mbworld.org/articles/double-...ost-technique/
https://mbworld.org/articles/double-...ost-technique/
Do we know exactly what time announcement will be?
06-25-2016, 01:14 AM
#49
Super Member
Looks like I was right on virtually everything... Larger turbos too! That means the GTR is just a detuned black series which will have the the same larger turbos. Black Series will just have more aggressive tune with higher redline and few more tweaks with limited production of 150-250.
The only thing I was not completely right on was Carbon brakes being standard, they are still an option. But the good news is the front fenders are Carbon fiber
The only thing I was not completely right on was Carbon brakes being standard, they are still an option. But the good news is the front fenders are Carbon fiber
Last edited by ML63 AMG; 06-25-2016 at 01:17 AM.
06-25-2016, 08:28 AM
#50
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Looks like I was right on virtually everything... Larger turbos too! That means the GTR is just a detuned black series which will have the the same larger turbos. Black Series will just have more aggressive tune with higher redline and few more tweaks with limited production of 150-250.
The only thing I was not completely right on was Carbon brakes being standard, they are still an option. But the good news is the front fenders are Carbon fiber
The only thing I was not completely right on was Carbon brakes being standard, they are still an option. But the good news is the front fenders are Carbon fiber
