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I have already purchased a GTR and definitely not because of resale I just love the menacing look of the vehicle and the drive is absolutly amazing I was just curious what everyone's thoughts were on it holding value a bit better than the GT and GTS have.
I have already purchased a GTR and definitely not because of resale I just love the menacing look of the vehicle and the drive is absolutly amazing I was just curious what everyone's thoughts were on it holding value a bit better than the GT and GTS have.
If you use MBFS lease residuals as an indicator, the GTR will have the lowest resale value of all AMG GT models. It is probably just a very cautious approach by MB so they won't take a bath but traditionally AMG's have terrible resale values.
Historically the AMG variants perform poorly versus the Porsche GT line for example. But the GTR is probably the first AMG that directly competes with a specific Porsche product, that being the GT3/GT3 RS. Due to the limited number of GTRs that have been produced/delivered in ‘18, and potentially some form of scarcity in ‘19 due to production limits on various options, it ‘might’ just be that the GTR doesn’t lose as much money as history would lead us to believe. There’s no way that it will retain the fantastic residual values of a GT3/RS, but those who have leased might be pleasantly surprised at wholesale values when it’s time to turn the car back in.
I bought it it to drive the snot out of it on the street and track, and plan on keeping it throughout the warranty period at least, but I hope the above is somewhat close to what happens.
Historically the AMG variants perform poorly versus the Porsche GT line for example. But the GTR is probably the first AMG that directly competes with a specific Porsche product, that being the GT3/GT3 RS. Due to the limited number of GTRs that have been produced/delivered in ‘18, and potentially some form of scarcity in ‘19 due to production limits on various options, it ‘might’ just be that the GTR doesn’t lose as much money as history would lead us to believe. There’s no way that it will retain the fantastic residual values of a GT3/RS, but those who have leased might be pleasantly surprised at wholesale values when it’s time to turn the car back in.
I bought it it to drive the snot out of it on the street and track, and plan on keeping it throughout the warranty period at least, but I hope the above is somewhat close to what happens.
Bish
Very good points. Regardless of whether the GTR ends up with a high resale value, leasing these cars will always cost a lot. Same applies to the GT3/RS/GT2 RS. Even though Porsche knows these cars will retain their value, they won't make them cheap to lease (i.e., give us 80-90% RV on a lease). They are expensive to lease. These are cars to buy. The point is that there are some extreme cases where the RV set by the manufacturer's FS isn't really what they expect the car to be worth at lease-end.
Very good points. Regardless of whether the GTR ends up with a high resale value, leasing these cars will always cost a lot. Same applies to the GT3/RS/GT2 RS. Even though Porsche knows these cars will retain their value, they won't make them cheap to lease (i.e., give us 80-90% RV on a lease). They are expensive to lease. These are cars to buy. The point is that there are some extreme cases where the RV set by the manufacturer's FS isn't really what they expect the car to be worth at lease-end.
Wouldn't that be something if you could lease a 911 gt3 rs for 300.00 per month because the residual was so high. Lol. Totally makes sense that lease rates aren't always based on predicted depreciation.
Wouldn't that be something if you could lease a 911 gt3 rs for 300.00 per month because the residual was so high. Lol. Totally makes sense that lease rates aren't always based on predicted depreciation.
Anyone who leases a Porsche GT car thru' say their business, and then doesn't purchase it at the end to keep or resale shouldn't be in business!! lol
Wouldn't that be something if you could lease a 911 gt3 rs for 300.00 per month because the residual was so high. Lol. Totally makes sense that lease rates aren't always based on predicted depreciation.
That would certainly be something...On the opposite side of the spectrum, you have cars whose RV are artificially inflated (base 3-series, C-class, etc) so that their lease payments are low/attractive in order to move them.
Originally Posted by thebishman
Anyone who leases a Porsche GT car thru' say their business, and then doesn't purchase it at the end to keep or resale shouldn't be in business!! lol
Those are the people/businesses that PFS would rather lease to. Make big $$$ off of them via the lease, then again make big $$$ when they re-sell those cars to the next owner. Double-win for them.
There are 3 for sale. 194-214 k. What’s your point?
Same thing I was about to say. I haven’t seen one for sale even at MSRP yet on the used market. All the used ones on eBay have markups as well. I’m going to agree with Bish on this. It will be interesting to see how it plays out, but the 49% residual for a 36mo/10k lease? Doesn’t seem realistic at all to me.
Same thing I was about to say. I haven’t seen one for sale even at MSRP yet on the used market. All the used ones on eBay have markups as well. I’m going to agree with Bish on this. It will be interesting to see how it plays out, but the 49% residual for a 36mo/10k lease? Doesn’t seem realistic at all to me.
they only made 1600 or so last year. This car will stay hot next 12-18 months.
Very good points. Regardless of whether the GTR ends up with a high resale value, leasing these cars will always cost a lot. Same applies to the GT3/RS/GT2 RS. Even though Porsche knows these cars will retain their value, they won't make them cheap to lease (i.e., give us 80-90% RV on a lease). They are expensive to lease. These are cars to buy. The point is that there are some extreme cases where the RV set by the manufacturer's FS isn't really what they expect the car to be worth at lease-end.
In my years of ownership, compared to BMW Porsche never seemed to have really attractive leases for the C2S and GT3. Higher money factor and lower residual.
Glad I bought my GT3, I didn't lose too much on depreciation.
Originally Posted by super95awd
Same thing I was about to say. I haven’t seen one for sale even at MSRP yet on the used market. All the used ones on eBay have markups as well. I’m going to agree with Bish on this. It will be interesting to see how it plays out, but the 49% residual for a 36mo/10k lease? Doesn’t seem realistic at all to me.
Buy it to enjoy it. It appears to be a good car. As an investment, I wouldn't do it. Mercedes Benz is generally known to DEPRECIATE like a ship anchor after the initial hype wanes off.
911 GT3s still depreciation about 50% after a few years. There are quite a few on AT.
I think a GTR will depreciate more than a GT3, but not by much. i.e., 60% depreciation instead of 50%.
They all depreciate, a lot, in time... unless they are very low production <1000 units and very low mileage.
911 GT3s still depreciation about 50% after a few years. There are quite a few on AT.
I think a GTR will depreciate more than a GT3, but not by much. i.e., 60% depreciation instead of 50%.
They all depreciate, a lot, in time... unless they are very low production <1000 units and very low mileage.
Not correct info on the gt3. There are no 2015 gt3’s listed or selling for $75k (average msrp $150k). Depriciation is around 10-20% at 3 yrs.
I’m keeping my eye on the GT R values as well. It could be my next car after my 991 gt3.
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Originally Posted by octurbo
Not correct info on the gt3. There are no 2015 gt3’s listed or selling for $75k (average msrp $150k). Depriciation is around 10-20% at 3 yrs.
I’m keeping my eye on the GT R values as well. It could be my next car after my 991 gt3.
That's good depreciation. My GT lost that much value as soon as I signed the papers to acquire it.
Not correct info on the gt3. There are no 2015 gt3’s listed or selling for $75k (average msrp $150k). Depriciation is around 10-20% at 3 yrs.
I’m keeping my eye on the GT R values as well. It could be my next car after my 991 gt3.
I didn’t say 2015s would be 50% depreciated. (The fact that none are listed currently proves nothing, btw). You can’t go by model year for the GT3 because it’s only made for 1-2 years per generation. You can buy a 997 gen GT3 for 50% or less of MSRP.
I didn’t say 2015s would be 50% depreciated. (The fact that none are listed currently proves nothing, btw). You can’t go by model year for the GT3 because it’s only made for 1-2 years per generation. You can buy a 997 gen GT3 for 50% or less of MSRP.
There are 38 2014-2015 gt3’s listed on Porsche’s Cpo site and many more on cars.com. The median listing price is over $130k. Even a 997 gt3, which range from 6-10 years old, are selling for over 50% of msrp (msrp was only around $110-120k depending on options). The Porsche GT cars hold their value very well. The problem is that they are difficult to obtain without playing games or paying over msrp
Don’t forget: asking price vs sold price are two VERY different data points.
The owners can ask for whatever they want. Doesn’t mean they will ever change hands at those prices.
There’s a mint blue one with PCCB on Autotrader that’s asking $89K. Has been for sale at least since July.
The GT3s do hold their value well. But that means 50% depreciation after a couple of model generations. The GT3 is not made in low enough volume to depreciate less. Porsche does a good job of holding back allocations so the public perceives the cars as being really hard to get and rare.
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