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Haven't made a decision quite yet though a Pcar is likely. Tough to find something else with a good combination of speed, handling, and sound. I'm at a bit of a crossroads as a Turbo S would fulfill the need for speed and tuneability (sp?) but isn't very engaging. A GT3 sounds amazing at high RPMS and handles great but I'll lose that low end umph. Both would be a .1.
You seem to have been around the block a bit Vic - what would you suggest I look into?
Haven't made a decision quite yet though a Pcar is likely. Tough to find something else with a good combination of speed, handling, and sound. I'm at a bit of a crossroads as a Turbo S would fulfill the need for speed and tuneability (sp?) but isn't very engaging. A GT3 sounds amazing at high RPMS and handles great but I'll lose that low end umph. Both would be a .1.
You seem to have been around the block a bit Vic - what would you suggest I look into?
Between a 991.1 TTS and GT3 there's no comparison, the TTS is a better car all the way around except for sound ... when I stared at my 2015 TTS and 2016 GT3RS in my garage wondering which one I want to drive I would pick the TTS 8/10 times, and that was the RS mind you not the regular GT3. The 991.1 GT3 is a relatively slow car, and very unengaging at public road speeds. And an AWE Tuning exhaust does the TTS a world of good sound wise. (links to both cars are in my sig)
Haven't made a decision quite yet though a Pcar is likely. Tough to find something else with a good combination of speed, handling, and sound. I'm at a bit of a crossroads as a Turbo S would fulfill the need for speed and tuneability (sp?) but isn't very engaging. A GT3 sounds amazing at high RPMS and handles great but I'll lose that low end umph. Both would be a .1.
You seem to have been around the block a bit Vic - what would you suggest I look into?
The 991.1 TT-S platform is so mod friendly that you can make it a 135 trapper with just a few mods and change the exhaust note. But as you stated its a bit "boring" compared to the options out there and why I dumped mine (stage 2). The launches were absurd and the power with the gains coupled with the grip was shocking but it just didnt keep my attention. And it was my second 991.1 Turbo S. I had a GT3 as well and its a great car but definitely not a daily and it requires 8/10ths or more on the rpm's to truly enjoy what the car is all about.
I guess it all boils down to whats your needs in the car? If its going to be a daily and get a lot of use and mileage I would probably say the Turbo S as its relatively bulletproof, can be driven a ton of miles and isnt an "event" or "look at me" car so its very functional and will crush souls out there. I really like the V10 R8 right now too and that can be a daily car with sublime handling and one of the last n/a 600 plus sports cars out there. Another great performer but a depreciation monster is the 570S McLaren. A good trade off is the 991.2 GTS which is basically a more "street" version of the GT3 without the ADM or higher sticker price up front. I think thats something that has to be considered as you can tune it, exhaust it, and it will run with a .2 GT3. The 991 chassis is excellent and is probably why I have had 4 iterations already.
I disagree with this ... I had a 991.2 GTS and it basically feels like a very tuned down version of the TTS, not the GT3.
It has the same sound, slight turbo lag, and driving dynamic characteristics (read softness) as the TTS.
I see your point as an owner you would know more. I was relating it more to what I read and compared in the reviews and vids about how the GTS performs via the track and the street (and compared to the GT3) and an owner video where he runs with a .2 GT3 (he is tuned) keeping up.
The turbo engine of the GTS definitely puts it more in the Turbo S category from a feel perspective.
I think you'll regret that move to a 991.1 Turbo S or 991.1 GT3 for your driving purposes. The AMG is more rare, sounds great and is more of an occasion to drive. I've owned a Carrera S and a 991 GT3. One thing that bothered me is how common 911s are and how they all look similar. The AMG looks unique and is a great daily driver. The Turbo S is a beast but somehow lacks the engagement or what some construe as "soul" that a GT3 offers. The GT3 can't be fully enjoyed on city streets without breaking the law and really is designed to shine on the track where the 9000 rpm limit can be explored.
I would only make the move to a 991.2 GT3 if I wanted a manual.
If you are tired of the AMG, consider picking up a heavily discounted leftover 2017 base R8.
I see your point as an owner you would know more. I was relating it more to what I read and compared in the reviews and vids about how the GTS performs via the track and the street (and compared to the GT3) and an owner video where he runs with a .2 GT3 (he is tuned) keeping up.
The turbo engine of the GTS definitely puts it more in the Turbo S category from a feel perspective.
The GTS/GT3 closeness is definitely there in their 991.1 versions before the GTS went TT in the .2.
In fact many people are now opting to buy 991.1 manual GTSs now that the NA demise writing is on the wall across all 911 platforms, as it has much of the visceral feel of a GT3 in a more street compliant package. 991.1 GTS manual prices have gone back up as a result, but obviously still a lot less than a .2 GT3.
The GTS/GT3 closeness is definitely there in their 991.1 versions before the GTS went TT in the .2.
In fact many people are now opting to buy 991.1 manual GTSs now that the NA demise writing is on the wall across all 911 platforms, as it has much of the visceral feel of a GT3 in a more street compliant package. 991.1 GTS manual prices have gone back up as a result, but obviously still a lot less than a .2 GT3.
I am eyeing a 991.2 GTS vert like you sold last year--- you sound like you didnt like it all too much??? But then compared to the other P cars you have had I can see possibly why.
I am eyeing a 991.2 GTS vert like you sold last year--- you sound like you didnt like it all too much??? But then compared to the other P cars you have had I can see possibly why.
Yeah, I bought that car on a whim whilst I was waiting for the guvmint to release my GT-R.
I think you're right that coming off a TTS and a 3RS it was always going to be a little lacking comparatively speaking, but I wouldn't say I disliked it, nor could I really say that I liked it, it was a general meh feeling. But again that's me sounding super spoiled, I'm sure for many folks it would be a fantastic driving experience.
You own and have owned many great cars, try to find a .2 GTS and drive it for more than a couple of hours and see how you respond to it ... to me it felt more like a fast daily driver than a special 'take it out and drive when you want joy" kind of car.
Yeah, I bought that car on a whim whilst I was waiting for the guvmint to release my GT-R.
I think you're right that coming off a TTS and a 3RS it was always going to be a little lacking comparatively speaking, but I wouldn't say I disliked it, nor could I really say that I liked it, it was a general meh feeling. But again that's me sounding super spoiled, I'm sure for many folks it would be a fantastic driving experience.
You own and have owned many great cars, try to find a .2 GTS and drive it for more than a couple of hours and see how you respond to it ... to me it felt more like a fast daily driver than a special 'take it out and drive when you want joy" kind of car.
Thanks for your thoughts, Ill definitely do the tester before I pull any trigger.
So what are your thoughts on that Bentley GT you had? Huge depreciation and expensive service intervals but lots of comfort and performance I am told.
I had this one- the sporty GT version called the GT3R... still a fat piggy at 5k lbs. It basically has the same engine in my RS7 but slightly less HP. I found the tech inside to be dated and slow but the looks and carbon fiber goodies really made the car special. The entire inside from the front to rear was laden in carbon fiber and multi colour seat coverings. I didnt really drive the car alot so service was never a problem. It definitely was a plush unit but I would never get another Bentley as a first buyer:
Thanks for your thoughts, Ill definitely do the tester before I pull any trigger.
Unlike the 991.1 GTS cars; (NA as Soulsea mentions), the 991.2 cars, even if they are dynamically a ‘better’ car in almost every respect bar sound, are probably going to have pretty crappy residuals after a couple of years. That being said, get a good alignment and put Sport Cup 2’s on a 991.2 GTS and it’ll show its taillights to a 991.1 GT3 and maybe even a 991.2 version on the street and road course, particularly a C4 variant.
Sorry OP, we seem to have superderailed your thread.
wait a year and buy it for $150k.
TTS is fast and boring. It's my DD. I love the GT3 rev, but still can't pull the trigger on it as "better" than the GT3. I think going backwards to 997 or 996 with hydraulic steering is where I'm headed.
I had this one- the sporty GT version called the GT3R... still a fat piggy at 5k lbs. It basically has the same engine in my RS7 but slightly less HP. I found the tech inside to be dated and slow but the looks and carbon fiber goodies really made the car special. The entire inside from the front to rear was laden in carbon fiber and multi colour seat coverings. I didnt really drive the car alot so service was never a problem. It definitely was a plush unit but I would never get another Bentley as a first buyer:
Here is my interior - crazy
STUNNING!! Many Thanks for the pictures! Do you happen to have any of the front and rear? What year was it?
I may have to talk with you again when my AMG days are sunsetted.
Unlike the 991.1 GTS cars; (NA as Soulsea mentions), the 991.2 cars, even if they are dynamically a ‘better’ car in almost every respect bar sound, are probably going to have pretty crappy residuals after a couple of years. That being said, get a good alignment and put Sport Cup 2’s on a 991.2 GTS and it’ll show its taillights to a 991.1 GT3 and maybe even a 991.2 version on the street and road course, particularly a C4 variant.
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Dave the .2 cars already have terrible residuals. PFS has pulled away from pushing the leases and their base MF is now .00230. Further there is a shortage of 18's thru q2 so they probably dont care as the cars will sell via purchase or cash.
I have a lease quote on a 141k GTS for 1864 a month with tax but mind you Im getting a full PCNA discount and then some to 123k for a net cap and it still leases like that.
Dave the .2 cars already have terrible residuals. PFS has pulled away from pushing the leases and their base MF is now .00230. Further there is a shortage of 18's thru q2 so they probably dont care as the cars will sell via purchase or cash.
I have a lease quote on a 141k GTS for 1864 a month with tax but mind you Im getting a full PCNA discount and then some to 123k for a net cap and it still leases like that.
Jesus that seems like a ****ty lease payment on a GTS Vic! Without a doubt the ‘smart’ way to buy any type of 911 except for the GT versions is to get them off lease at 2 years old; otherwise there’s a bunch of cash getting vapourised.
BUT, as I well know being rationale with a car purchase takes a back seat to wanting the car now, which is the story of my life and why I’m still working! lol
Wow that's a terrible lease. Fwiw I only lost about $5k on my 17 GTS vert after about six months and less than 1k miles.
Lease residual aside, they don't actually depreciate that much in real life, especially because you can get about 8% off of msrp and it's not like Porsche is pumping a lot of them out to get into an oversupply situation.
Speaking of bad Porsche leases, I got quoted 3760/m for 27 months on a $180k Panny Turbo sport tourismo, basically saying that it'll be worth $80k in slightly over two years ... funny thing is they're probably right.
Wow that's a terrible lease. Fwiw I only lost about $5k on my 17 GTS vert after about six months and less than 1k miles.
Lease residual aside, they don't actually depreciate that much in real life, especially because you can get about 8% off of msrp and it's not like Porsche is pumping a lot of them out to get into an oversupply situation.
Speaking of bad Porsche leases, I got quoted 3760/m for 27 months on a $180k Panny Turbo sport tourismo, basically saying that it'll be worth $80k in slightly over two years ... funny thing is they're probably right.
Yes PFS has THE worst residuals on Pannys... I know a local store that still has a few new 16's!!!!!!!!! Can you say trunk money!!!
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