Vic; are you reading this crap? Please shut that ******* down for all our sakes.

Bish

I still don’t understand the message from the “messenger”? Is it that AMG shouldn’t produce the *43 and the *53? Because it somehow takes away from the *63?

Maybe there shouldn’t be anything below an E63 for AMG instead of diluting it with the C series.

Where do do you draw the line? Because the market clearly disagrees with you.

Still didn’t answer my questions...

And as a multiple Turbo S owner who has seen more than my fair share of limp home modes, I have no idea what you are talking about in regards to dependability.

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I’ve been a AMG fan since I was a young kid. I must agree with the original poster on 1 or 2 of his view points, even though I fully understand exactly why Daimler is doing what it’s doing with the AMG brand today.

1. AMG use to have a slogan (“One Man, One Engine”) which gravitated around all their products and made their brand quite unique. This slogan is barely seen any more because so many AMG vehicles are using engines straight off the regular Mercedes assembly line.

2. Not all AMG’s motors need to be V8’s or V12’s in order to be a legitimate AMG engine, they just need to be hand built and heavily modified (forged piston, camshaft etc.) and tuned imo.

3. The 4 door GT isn’t based upon the same architecture as the GT coupé that shares the same name, but this doesn’t bother me. This new GT4 will still be awesome and fast as hell, if not the fastest car with 4 doors money can buy (pending they launch the hybrid 73 model).

4. The AMG brand is gobally recognizable and AMG is cashing in on that brand recognition by selling as many cars as they can that are fast and fun to drive but not quite a AMG in the traditional since.

5. Not a fan of the front wheel drive bias A45, CLA 45 and GLA 45. Yes they are fast, fun to drive and somewhat affordable. Daimler could’ve still produced a nice fast subcompact sedan with rear drive or rear bias all wheel drive.

In a a way he’s right, the brand has become more diluted over the past few years, but so has BMW M and so many other sporty brands. This money making method isn’t unique to AMG.

Mercedes AMG is becoming more and more independent of Mercedes Benz. The first dedicated AMG showroom in the USA just opened. You call it “dillution” but what it is is separation and expansion. AMG can’t grow as an independent division by offering just 2 or 3 high end models.

That’s awesome that Mercedes has decided to allow independent AMG dealers to exsist in select markets like Dubai, LA, London, Vancouver etc. I don’t mind if AMG builds models based upon all the models Mercedes makes (except the front wheel drive CLA, GLA and A45). My issue with those cars aren’t even the i4 turbo engines(which just happen to hand built). It’s the front wheel drive bias all wheel drive system, And the cars interiors are often criticized as being too cheap feeling for $73k.

It’s wishful thinking upon myself, but AMG needs to return to what put them on the map. We have cars showing up to car shows which are in all honesty “tuned by AMG” and cars that are legitimate AMG vehicles and many bystanders think we have the same car. Some of these newer models have no major overhauls to the original design by Mercedes. Mercedes knows that there are a handful of misinformed consumers out here that have a little bit of money and want to look cool like the Champ Lewis Hamilton. Some of these guys and women don’t even realize the heritage AMG has embedded in Affalterbach, Germany the founding fathers must be rolling in there graves right now seeing what’s going on with their old company.

It’s a lost cause, AMG isn’t going to stop the madness (in my Mr. Wonderful voice). Because profits are soaring astronomically, AMG will continue on this successful path, this new path with not as much connection to what originally attracted me to AMG. It’s really unfortunate, because I believe they can still be highly profitable while producing stellar vehicles that are uniquely modified with hand assembled engines. People will pay a large premium for that uniqueness.

Your wagon is faster than a turbo s lol. I have a 17 turbo s cab and will meet you anytime anywhere for a race. Let’s put our titles on the line to make it fun. After I take your car from you, I’ll sell it back at its current value, which will be much less than you paid for it. That way it won’t hurt so bad and you can get your canyon carver back.

With that said, AMG has be going down hill for the last several years. Quality and quality control is terrible. Getting parts to fix these cars can take months. There’s little to no communication with its customers.

They take the GT sports car built entirely by AMG and take a crap on this car by adding a four door sedan to the mix and also making a 53 model of this sedan. They kill off the cls63 for the cls53. Another four door sedan. They have the E43/63 another four door sedan. They have a C43/63 another four door sedan. S63 another four door sedan. Why crap on the GT, which is the only car that was something special.

The thread starter is not saying that the 43 and 53 models shouldn’t exsist. I can’t read his mind, but I have a hunch he’s talking about the fact that the 450 AMG, 43 models and 53 models are all using regular production Mercedes-Benz engines with the turbochargers cranked up a few extra psi. “If it ain’t hand made, it ain’t a AMG.” It’s just a normal Mercedes-Benz with a few AMG badges, a big brake kit and lowering springs. If Mercedes wants to make make different tiers of AMG models I’m okay with that. Management just needs to follow the original protocol established by the AMG founding fathers for anything wearing the AMG badge.

Regarding your statement about the C class, not being warranted as a proper AMG and you insinuating that management stop making the C63 models going forward. I’m going to give you a pass, your obviously totally misinformed on the history timeline of how Mercedes AMG came about and which series model started the official collaboration between Daimler-Benz and AMG. In 1993 Mercedes and AMG worked out a deal to build the first ever Mercedes-Benz modified by AMG, sold through a Mercedes dealer and to come with a full factory warranty. This vehicle is known by many as the W202 series aka Mercedes C-class. The collaboration created 5200 C-classes with hand built 275hp AMG inline 6 motors. All the cars also received modified suspension, brakes and heavy duty AMG engineered transmissions. Without this successful unprecedented collaborative deal between the two companies you wouldn’t have the luxury of walking in a dealer and ordering a E63 AMG today. The “C” AMG is the original poster child of the AMG brand “Period”.

I grant this misinformed gentleman the luxury of calling his brand new E63-S estate fast. But there are few cars in the world that can hang with a 991.2 Turbo S in straight-line. I think I’ve seen stock E63 estates posting 0-60 times of right around 3.0 seconds flat, and that’s very fast by any ones definition especially for a car weighing in at 4700 lbs. but the 991.2 T-S is a whole different ball game of fast. The only cars that can smoke a new 911 Turbo S is the 918, P1, La Ferrari, McLaren 720 S and maybe 1 or 2 other stock cars. Your E63-S car would have to be making hp in the 1000’s and be running a 10.5 1/4th mile to competitive. Sorry Bud nice car, But I would totally rock a E63-S Estate as a daily driver for the kids and grocery hauler.