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Old 04-23-2018, 10:36 AM
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Please be advised there are ZERO brake pads available for the AMG GTR at this time if you have Carbon Brakes. If you use up your pads, your car will sit.

My 2018 GTR is in buy back process because there is NO ETA on brake pad availability and I needed pads after just under 2k miles.

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Please be advised there are ZERO brake pads available for the AMG GTR at this time if you have Carbon Brakes. If you use up your pads, your car will sit.

My 2018 GTR is in buy back process because there is NO ETA on brake pad availability and I needed pads after just under 2k miles.
Do you know to drive ?
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Yes very quickly that’s why they’re gone .
Funny, I seem to drive kinda quick in my 4700 lb e63s wagon with CCB and they are like new after 6,000 mi. and my stock GTS iron brakes with 7,000 mi. are like new.
Maybe instead of panic braking into every corner try being smooth..
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Funny, I seem to drive kinda quick in my 4700 lb e63s wagon with CCB and they are like new after 6,000 mi. and my stock GTS iron brakes with 7,000 mi. are like new.
Maybe instead of panic braking into every corner try being smooth..
Do you maybe think it’s road course mileage? I sure do.

Further I’m wondering if these are Brembo CCMs which tend to use a standard pad size, hence maybe pads from another brand might fit.

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Please be advised there are ZERO brake pads available for the AMG GTR at this time if you have Carbon Brakes. If you use up your pads, your car will sit.

My 2018 GTR is in buy back process because there is NO ETA on brake pad availability and I needed pads after just under 2k miles.
Lemon Lawing the car for lack of brake pads seems ridiculous on the face of it. Not on your part; but MB’s. Why don’t they just airfreight a set overnight from Germany as this is a safety issue.

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The canyons are just as aggressive as any road course I know of and being smooth is always safe and fast..
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Originally Posted by ronin amg
The canyons are just as aggressive as any road course I know of and being smooth is always safe and fast..
The kind of scenarios that lead to high brake wear just don't exist on the road unless you're driving in an unsafe manner. Regardless of the curves or gradients you might find.
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Please be advised there are ZERO brake pads available for the AMG GTR at this time if you have Carbon Brakes. If you use up your pads, your car will sit.

My 2018 GTR is in buy back process because there is NO ETA on brake pad availability and I needed pads after just under 2k miles.

The bigger question is WHY after so few miles. That doesn’t make sense since at all. Also, these pads calipers and rotors have been and are being used on prior year models.

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Let's see an in car video of the car being driven on track... for curiosity ..
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The canyons are just as aggressive as any road course I know of and being smooth is always safe and fast..

Only a person who has never driven a car on a road course would equate aggressive street driving with the forces inherent on a car at speed on a circuit. They just aren't even close.

When you've worn out a set of DOT 'R' tyres and a set of race pads on a weekend, come back on here and try and criticise someone when you have a greater knowledge base.
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The bigger question is WHY after so few miles. That doesn’t make sense since at all. Also, these pads calipers and rotors have been and are being used on prior year models.

Jerry,

I believe that Brian has 'tracked' the car extensively. It is pretty damn easy to consume a set of brake pads in (sometimes) one, but certainly two or three weekend HPDE events, along with a couple of sets of tyres. This is the norm for drivers in the 'Advanced' run groups which is one reason many people running HPDEs count on it costing on average around $1,000/day for example. So it's not exactly a cheap hobby! lol

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I believe that Brian has 'tracked' the car extensively. It is pretty damn easy to consume a set of brake pads in (sometimes) one, but certainly two or three weekend HPDE events, along with a couple of sets of tyres. This is the norm for drivers in the 'Advanced' run groups which is one reason many people running HPDEs count on it costing on average around $1,000/day for example. So it's not exactly a cheap hobby! lol

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I understand but don’t you agree that he may have only had 1k miles on them since as a previous poster pointed out he must have followed the manditory 1k break in period.

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I understand but don’t you agree that he may have only had 1k miles on them since as a previous poster pointed out he must have followed the manditory 1k break in petiod.
It's hard to drive even 200 miles on a full track day, so 1000 miles could be 5 track days, which is much more than enough to use up a set of pads. I have used up pads in one day at the track on occasion.
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Originally Posted by thebishman
Only a person who has never driven a car on a road course would equate aggressive street driving with the forces inherent on a car at speed on a circuit. They just aren't even close.

When you've worn out a set of DOT 'R' tyres and a set of race pads on a weekend, come back on here and try and criticise someone when you have a greater knowledge base.
Knowledge base you say, let me know when you can do a 1:17 at Willow Springs..

1:17 Big Willow.. Willow Springs Raceway


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Originally Posted by ronin amg
Knowledge base you say, let me know when you can do a 1:17 at Willow Springs..

1:17 Big Willow.. Willow Springs Raceway


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this is nice, but how is this related to the shortage of gtr brake pads exactly?
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this is nice, but how is this related to the shortage of gtr brake pads exactly?
Maybe read the post I was responding to..
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That's a properly cool selection of machinery but I can't reconcile that with a post about road driving being just as hard as circuit driving on brakes. I don't know a single racing driver who would agree with you.

On track I brake at the absolute hardest level I can, there's simply no way anyone could do that safely on the road because they wouldn't have any margin for error should anything unexpected happen.
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That's a properly cool selection of machinery but I can't reconcile that with a post about road driving being just as hard as circuit driving on brakes. I don't know a single racing driver who would agree with you.

On track I brake at the absolute hardest level I can, there's simply no way anyone could do that safely on the road because they wouldn't have any margin for error should anything unexpected happen.
I was talking about being smooth and using your brakes wisely. My old cars were all "street cars" and driven just as hard in the canyons, I just learned to save my brakes by being smooth...

Anyway back to panic braking into every corner..
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Please be advised there are ZERO brake pads available for the AMG GTR at this time if you have Carbon Brakes. If you use up your pads, your car will sit.

My 2018 GTR is in buy back process because there is NO ETA on brake pad availability and I needed pads after just under 2k miles.
SERIOUS QUESTION: Will MB AMG give you another buy back when you wear out the brakes on the buyout car? If so, I’m going racing in mine too.

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Knowledge base you say, let me know when you can do a 1:17 at Willow Springs..

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So 40 odd years ago you did run your cars on a road circuit, and yet you still arrogantly and ignorantly come on here belittling someone for not knowing how to drive their car on the brakes, and stating that ‘canyon carving’ is as hard on a car’s brakes as road course circuit driving. What a tool!
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So 40 odd years ago you did run your cars on a road circuit, and yet you still arrogantly and ignorantly come on here belittling someone for not knowing how to drive their car on the brakes, and stating that ‘canyon carving’ is as hard on a car’s brakes as road course circuit driving. What a tool!


Yeah you are almost right, two are 30yr. old cars and the Lotus was back in 2010 but how many guys like yourself could run a 1:17 on Big Willow in any car or can you do a 1:27 or even a 1:37... Eat me chump..
I'll stay smooth and have brakes when I need them...smooth is fast.

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You get my respect for a 1:17 at Big Willow. That is monstrously fast. Randy Pobst driving the wheels off a GTS turned a 1:27 I believe. Willow was my home track for a couple of years and my best time in my S2000 was a 1:24-25...and I can't tell you how fast a 1:17 is! Sure Ronin had huge HP - but to go through those corners at the high speed (and Willow is a high speed track) for a 1:17 is major car control and driving chops. Yes, none of this in a sense relates to AMG having pads available - but I shake my head at a 1:17. And in a door slammer! And he is so right about smooth is fast. The less one brakes through a turn the faster he is all down the straight following. The less braking the less the car is upset and hard to control. The higher the "min speed" in a corner the faster you are. And in a sense, brakes are the enemy of "min speed."
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So 40 odd years ago you did run your cars on a road circuit, and yet you still arrogantly and ignorantly come on here belittling someone for not knowing how to drive their car on the brakes, and stating that ‘canyon carving’ is as hard on a car’s brakes as road course circuit driving. What a tool!
Yeah...his posts tend to be negative and full of arrogance. It drags down the whole atmosphere here
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You get my respect for a 1:17 at Big Willow. That is monstrously fast. Randy Pobst driving the wheels off a GTS turned a 1:27 I believe. Willow was my home track for a couple of years and my best time in my S2000 was a 1:24-25...and I can't tell you how fast a 1:17 is! Sure Ronin had huge HP - but to go through those corners at the high speed (and Willow is a high speed track) for a 1:17 is major car control and driving chops. Yes, none of this in a sense relates to AMG having pads available - but I shake my head at a 1:17. And in a door slammer! And he is so right about smooth is fast. The less one brakes through a turn the faster he is all down the straight following. The less braking the less the car is upset and hard to control. The higher the "min speed" in a corner the faster you are. And in a sense, brakes are the enemy of "min speed."
My original point was in order to kill your pads that quickly the driver must not be very smooth entering the corner on ABS controlling lockup. Now if there were a video of the OP driving on track that would answer a lot of questions, is it the car or is it the driver ?

Oh trust me after my 1:17 in my RS200E I was done with the track for a very long time... There was nothing worse than watching the dirt blowing across the track between turn 8 and 9 as you enter at serious speed.
The Lotus with 290whp was pulling 1:26.

As for a track day car I would run steel not CCB unless you are gettin sponsored by AMG


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