thecutter64

BenzGTR

If you don't track stick with your Benz, or a Turbo S. You do realize the GT2RS sells for $250K to $350 over MSRP? They are all over $500K. The GT3RS about $50K over.

surfah

The surgery business must be good if you can afford a half million dollar GT2RS. Make sure you specify WP, the CF hood looks **** and while you're dropping that coin spec the Mag wheels as well.

No chance getting one at MSRP as a neophytie Porsche buyer, Same with the GT3RS.

You might be able to get a lightly used 991.2 GT3 PDK around MSRP, that might scratch your itch for now. I assume you would want the manual and that still commands a premium.

None of these options are as practical as your GTS for daily driving although the GT3 is a fun alternative and far more usable as a daily than prior iterations.

The Turbo S is fast, heavy and somewhat boring/sterile to drive. They depreciate like AMGs, you should be able to pick up a lightly used one for a decent price.

thebishman

thecutter64

bford100

thebishman hit the nail on the head. As a long time P-car enthusiast, after 2 GT-3's and 2 Turbo S's and several others over the years, I eventually gave in to the all the games being played and came "to the dark side", and actually love my GT-S! Next stop is the GT-R in April 2019!

Cant wait!

JSwan724

thecutter64

cproGT

If you are not going to track it(multiple times per year) I would say no its not worth it

AMG 17GT

Cutter. Tune the car.

JSwan724

Vic55

simple, easy, cheap and very good for the Cutter.

NO need to bump up if you dont track and need a more "streetable" car. With a tune you might be out of control though Cutter LOL

eball77

I would vote for a tune or maybe a GTR.

I just bought an R8 V10 Plus and I absolutely love the car, BUT the GTS I had was every bit as fun to drive. I think the GTS only problem is that the depreciation has been bad enough that it’s now under $100k and doesn’t give you the feeling of driving an “exclusive” car even though it is such a blast to drive. I’m still keeping my eye out for a used GTS in great condition right now because I think it’s really an underrated vehicle.

JSwan724

thebishman

surfah

You'll get higher return on investment taking the tens of thousands of dollars you would spend on the upgrade and investing in Driver Education for yourself.

Do some HPDEs and you'll be amazed at what you can get out of your GTS.

bford100

Well, I did the complementary day at Laguna Seca (you all know you get this for free if you buy an AMG) ....got to drive all of them...and a GT-S followed right away into a GT-R. The difference was noticeable enough to sell me on the GT-R right then. I love my GT-S, and will continue to enjoy it right up until the 24 month lease is up. BTW, Porsche doesn't offer this for free, you can pay for a 90 min. "experience" at any of their experience centers, which I have done twice, once at Atlanta on a Turbo S, and in Carson in a GT3 3.8. Not even close to what the AMG experience gave me, so much fun, at Laguna Seca, and a whole day! No interest in tuning.

AtTheGlen

In 2016 and 2017, we had a 2015 Turbo S and an Ed1 AMG GTS. The cars were different but when driving one of the cars, I never wanted to be in the other one. Between the GT S and the Turbo S, the ratio of comments, photos/videos taken, shouts of "great car" from econoboxes to Bentleys and S-Classes (I live in SoCal - aka car enthusiasts' La La Land) was about 50:1 GT S over the Turbo S. As others have noticed, the Turbo S is somewhat sterile but it handles with surgical precision and was very quick. Quality was excellent, too. I didn't track either car but drove the AMG GT S at the Perf. Driving Academy (Laguna Seca) and have driven GT3s at Exotic Racing near here on a good 1.2-mi track using their cars. That said, I do drive my cars at my 9/10ths on the ideal corners, entry/exit ramps, etc. The Turbo S was a better daily driver in terms of interior room for the driver and Porsche Active Suspension Management, which was smoother when desired.

I tend to want the top of the line if practical often for something unique about the engine, suspension settings or body style. But when it came to replacing the AMG GT S, I ordered and received an allocation for a GT C Roadster (love yours, CA John!). Because I don't track my cars (yet), I felt the GT C would be a perfect daily driver along with the Turbo S and that the GT R (which is great) was overkill for me. I placed one of the earliest orders having researched every English-language website (So. Africa, UK, Aus) + Germany because my sales person did not know that the dealership ("The Largest M-B Dealership In The World") probably had a D.O.G. I asked for an ballpark estimate for the Ed1 at trade-in time but the used car manager and sales person were so unprofessional (as if I wanted $10K over a 15-year old economy beater) that I canceled the order and bought another car on my wish list, a launch edition DB11, so I could have one 600 HP, V12, 200 mph car in my lifetime.

I'm sure that I'll return to AMG. I've had a C55, two CL55s, SL63, the GT S and, in that span of about 15 years, two non-AMG cars: ML and SL, my wife's DDs. Why don't M-B dealers assure that when enthusiasts like us, their best Brand Ambassadors, buy high-performance cars, we should be able to work with an AMG specialist, even if that person is not commissioned and assisting a mainline sales person? We influence other buyers, we foolishly get out of leases early, etc. We have some good dealer reps on this forum (which I still follow daily) and I hope they can carry the message up the chain. As a Formula 1 fan, I am following and rooting for AMG-Mercedes even given Aston Martin's relationship with Red Bull.

Finally, the Turbo S is gone because my dealer (Long Beach, CA) found me a GT3 slot which is the perfect car for me as I love motorsports, So in response to theCutter64, the GT3 is absolutely wonderful. The NA engine's 9,000 RPM redline is magic and watching the 911 RSRs at Long Beach last April, OMG my car sounds like RSRs accelerating out of slow Turn 11. The ride is stiff but PASM accommodates. It's not much different from my GT S Ed1 in Comfort setting. I like that the car is designed and built by the motorsports group. As noted on a previous thread and confirmed by others, the mark-up on a GT2 RS is between $200-300K. GT3 RSs typically have a $50K mark-up (though I like the wide body), but GT3 mark-ups are less, approx. $20-25K for PDK, higher for manual. My deal was much more favorable based on my relationship with the dealer and my trading in a low-mileage Turbo S in perfect condition. If you like your GT S, a Porsche GT car might be a better fit than a Turbo S. The GT3 PDK has a close-ratio gear box so the engine stays in a high rev band when desired; 7th is just about direct so mileage is lower than in the Turbo S. I don't miss the approx. 200 ft-lb of torque difference given the engines ability to rev quickly. The GT3 is simply more analog and raw. No parking sensors, no keyless entry/go, of course no back seats and fitted with track-oriented tires - but who cares. I think my perfect combo would be the GT C roadster and a GT3. I'll rent an SUV or panel truck if hauling stuff. Sorry for this long message hope it helps in some way. Note to theCutter64, feel free to PM me if you have any specific questions. Good Luck! (And everyone else, thanks for letting me rant about not buying a beautifully spec'd GT C roadster because of poor AMG support by my dealer of over ten years.)

xbox

Cutter, I doubt you're gonna find a "jack of all trades" supercar that will stop you looking at and wanting something thats either, or all of the following:

- faster
- newer
- more desirable
- more coveted
- more exclusive
- more prestigious
- adored by the press
etc........

Not possible and no fun to try role all this into one single car.

i.e. just go buy a P GT car.

cproGT

wHAT HE SAID^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

FourT6and2

I'm 100% happy with my decision to get the 991.2 GT3 (manual). It's such an amazing car and a blast to drive. $500K for a car isn't in the cards for me and the 2RS is a bit excessive for my situation. But the 991.2 GT3RS is another story. It's like the .2 GT3 but a bit stiffer from the rose jointed suspension. But other than that, it's fine on the street. I've put almost 3,000 miles on my GT3 now. Sounds like the .2 GT3 would be too boring for you. But the 3RS is a great choice. The 2RS is a monster and probably too much car for me. But hey, if you want one, go for it. Hard to get a GT3 allocation now since it's August and these cars are only available in 2018. The RS will go into 2019, so allocations are still out there.

I wouldn't want a GTS or Turbo/Turbo S. They are tame and boring in comparison.

I would take the new GT3RS in a heartbeat. Although it'd be hard to give up the manual in my GT3. My dealer offered me an open allocation for a new RS at $70K over. A bit too rich for me. I'd do it for $25K, but the going rate seems to be $50K.

thebishman

FourT6and2

Maybe I missed it, but I don't think OP is looking for a daily driver. Unless he's considering a $500K 700hp GT2RS as a daily... And he already has a GTS, which he says is getting boring. Torque aside, the GT3RS is a much different driving experience compared to a GTS or Turbo S, one that keeps the heart pumping. And the new .2 versions are much different than the previous .1. It's not just a new bumper. I'm sure the GTR is a fun car too.

cproGT

IMHO every car will get "boring" at a certain point It just depends on when month 1, year 1,year 2 etc... Every car guy knows that anticipation when they are getting there next newest best sports car.

benzbell

FastMD (the guy with the super cool garage) who used to chime in here a lot, back when he first got his GTR has a 16 GT3 RS as well. Hang on, let me quote him from a PM.

"As you know they are completely different. I do enjoy the GTR more as you need to be high in the RPM band to feel giddy in the RS. I love the RS on track. However, out of the box the GTR sounds better."

My opinion is it comes down to preference. In a perfect World, if you could drive both for a month. Then the decision would be simple, as you would choose what you liked the best. I'm sure there are some Porsche owners thinking the same thing about the AMG GT's. Wondering if the grass is greener like some do here as well.