AMG GTR PRO
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AMG GTR PRO
It seems the clubsport is going to be called the Pro. To be revealed at the LA Autoshow which I guess bodes well for a US launch of this car?
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2: I actually think the GT C is a very worthwhile addition to the line up for thise owners who will either never track their car, or dont want the fixed rear spoiler.
I am however excited to see what this new ‘Pro’ variant brings to the table.
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1: As an owner that has only identified understeer on the OEM tyres as the main track issue, ( my car has the CCM brakes), and which was cured by going with the option tyres, I’d be very interested in hearing a list of the “lot of flaws” that you’re referring to;
I am however excited to see what this new ‘Pro’ variant brings to the table.
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2: the Iron brakes are a weak point of the car that need: excellent DOT 4 brake fluid; excellent track pads and yes, you’re right, far better cooling. Something hopefully the ‘Pro’ version has. Even then, the iron brakes may still not be useful on a road course.
The CCM brakes however seem to be excellent for the average Advanced group driver at your ‘normal’ 25 minute HPDE event; me for example. No fade lap after lap and fantastic retardation of the car, with decent OEM pad wear assuming you drive with ESC ‘Off’. The only thing to do, which is always wise on any car, is to switch to an excellent DOT 4 brake fluid.
You’re right; we’ve been over this before but it’s important that another opinion is expressed to owners of the car when someone states the car has a ‘long list of faults’ on a road course; it doesn’t.
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Well at least we can agree that this PRO model will be a better track car than the existing model? I'm excited to see the new car and have one coming, hopefully its available in the USA for you.
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https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...oModClar=Coupe
That being said you get a bigger ‘footprint’ and a stickier compound than the ‘regular’ SC2s. The above link is to the GT R option tyre (R03) which is the tyre Michelin specifically designed for the Chevy C7 Z06/7. I’m not sure of other sizes if the above won’t fit your car btw.
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I really cant see MB not selling it over here across the pond as the US is (I think) the GT R’s largest market. Since my car is a 50%/50% Street and Track car I can easily see myself thinking hard about getting one if the ‘numbers’ work out, and frankly I think that in 2020 when it’s released, the BS will push my budget too hard for me to look into getting one, especially if the economy’s in the crapper.
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Just asked my dealer to put me down for a GTR pro....having had 3 other AMG , then a GTS, now GTR ...I am hoping I am improving my “AMG résumé “ in order to improve my chances to get a black Series ....
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I have the ceramics and use motul660 fluid and standard pads. I've had brake issues at any dry track day I've attended (european tracks). I now "manage" the brakes and don't brake as heavily and as late as I'd like to, I run 1.5-2 cool down laps instead of 1.
I know GT3 comparisons are not very popular here but in a 991 GT3 you can head out on track and hit the brakes as hard as you can lap after lap and stay out on circuit until the car runs out of fuel and they still work perfectly. That's the sort of performance that we should expect of the GTR but it can't do it.
The car has absolutely no brake cooling(ie no ducts, nothing to move cold air onto the brakes) which is the primary cause of the problem I believe. Renntech do an upgrade for this but I decided to save the money for this new car instead as trackday season is over here.
I know GT3 comparisons are not very popular here but in a 991 GT3 you can head out on track and hit the brakes as hard as you can lap after lap and stay out on circuit until the car runs out of fuel and they still work perfectly. That's the sort of performance that we should expect of the GTR but it can't do it.
The car has absolutely no brake cooling(ie no ducts, nothing to move cold air onto the brakes) which is the primary cause of the problem I believe. Renntech do an upgrade for this but I decided to save the money for this new car instead as trackday season is over here.
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You Sir are a lucky man! I will anxiously await your thoughts, and yes I definitely agree that the ‘Pro’ will be an even better road course monster.
I really cant see MB not selling it over here across the pond as the US is (I think) the GT R’s largest market. Since my car is a 50%/50% Street and Track car I can easily see myself thinking hard about getting one if the ‘numbers’ work out, and frankly I think that in 2020 when it’s released, the BS will push my budget too hard for me to look into getting one, especially if the economy’s in the crapper.
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I own a GTC. I would have gotten a GTR however the 2018 GTR does not come in a convertible and I wanted a convertible so I got the GTC.
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May I ask you the following? The GT C is as fast on the street and will handle just about as well since it has almost the exact same hp; the 4WS, etc. It will, I assume have more compliance which is not a bad thing for the street, especially if your roads aren’t super smooth. So what would be the attraction of a GT R Roadster? The GT R deserves to be driven on a road course as that is it’s design purpose, and most(?) track organisers normally won’t allow ‘Verts on track. Is it simply because it is currently the ‘top of the line’ version of the GT series?
Not or trying to be ‘weird’ as people can spend their hard earned cash on anything IMHO; I’m just trying to see why someone would even want a GT R ‘Vert.
Thanks for any enlightenment! lol
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MBUK expects to get 10-20 BS cars. I expect them all to go to youtubers and project one owners. As such I don't hold out much hope of getting one despite having a deposit down since 2015. Further more a car that costs £250k+ and might be worth £500k+(if it follows an SLS BS trajectory, BIG if!) is never a fast car on track unless you have very very deep pockets.
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I have the ceramics and use motul660 fluid and standard pads. I've had brake issues at any dry track day I've attended (european tracks). I now "manage" the brakes and don't brake as heavily and as late as I'd like to, I run 1.5-2 cool down laps instead of 1.
I know GT3 comparisons are not very popular here but in a 991 GT3 you can head out on track and hit the brakes as hard as you can lap after lap and stay out on circuit until the car runs out of fuel and they still work perfectly. That's the sort of performance that we should expect of the GTR but it can't do it.
The car has absolutely no brake cooling(ie no ducts, nothing to move cold air onto the brakes) which is the primary cause of the problem I believe. Renntech do an upgrade for this but I decided to save the money for this new car instead as trackday season is over here.
I know GT3 comparisons are not very popular here but in a 991 GT3 you can head out on track and hit the brakes as hard as you can lap after lap and stay out on circuit until the car runs out of fuel and they still work perfectly. That's the sort of performance that we should expect of the GTR but it can't do it.
The car has absolutely no brake cooling(ie no ducts, nothing to move cold air onto the brakes) which is the primary cause of the problem I believe. Renntech do an upgrade for this but I decided to save the money for this new car instead as trackday season is over here.
I plan on running mine hard on the track and with true slicks which will brake the car way way harder than your street tires. I plan on running SRF (flushed daily for track) and I don't forsee the brakes fading.
I tracked my wifes E63 4800 lb wagon with steel brakes and the pads literally caught on fire after 3 laps, (I had to put them out with a fire extinguisher) but my buddy was there in his E63 sedan on CCB's (with SRF) and he had zero issues of fade and he was on Hoosier A7's. He was extremely impressed with the brakes and this is in car with more power and 1000 lbs more weight than your GTR. You should run SRF for starters, it's wet boiling point is 30% higher than the best Motul (518* vs 399*). I'll report back here after mid January which will be my first track weekend in mine. I'm supposed to get the car next week!
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I am speculating completely here, but a loaded GT R in the US runs about $200K. I expect the BS to start at a minimum of $250K. It remains to be seen how many GT R BS cars are brought to the US, and of course produced world wide, as to whether the car will be a ‘collectible’ remains to be seen. I hope enough are produced that they aren’t all locked away except for a blast down to the local C&C as that would be tragic. I want plenty produced so that eventually I might be able to get my hands on one! lol
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