Still getting a black series despite the GTR pro
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12-08-2018, 01:58 AM
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Interesting. Not really sure where they go from Pro! I know most wont agree but I think they should use the AWD system with the 630hp engine and attempt to use enough CF or whatever means to offset the weight. Otherwise traction will still be dramatically limited and the gains seem like they’ll be minimal for the premium cost.
12-08-2018, 11:05 AM
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Interesting. Not really sure where they go from Pro! I know most wont agree but I think they should use the AWD system with the 630hp engine and attempt to use enough CF or whatever means to offset the weight. Otherwise traction will still be dramatically limited and the gains seem like they’ll be minimal for the premium cost.
The BS will have: more power; less weight; even more track oriented suspension, and probably larger, stickier tyres. It will out ‘pro’ the ‘Pro’ for sure. Lol
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12-08-2018, 11:45 AM
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I strongly doubt the current platform could be adapted to AWD, and it would add weight to the front of the car; not want you want to enhance handling on a road course. The next gen GT platform may well be configured for AWD, but to spend millions just so the current gen BS has four driven wheels makes no economic sense.
The BS will have: more power; less weight; even more track oriented suspension, and probably larger, stickier tyres. It will out ‘pro’ the ‘Pro’ for sure. Lol
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12-08-2018, 12:48 PM
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I strongly doubt the current platform could be adapted to AWD, and it would add weight to the front of the car; not want you want to enhance handling on a road course. The next gen GT platform may well be configured for AWD, but to spend millions just so the current gen BS has four driven wheels makes no economic sense.
The BS will have: more power; less weight; even more track oriented suspension, and probably larger, stickier tyres. It will out ‘pro’ the ‘Pro’ for sure. Lol
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I'd rather have AWD if it were available.
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12-08-2018, 01:08 PM
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GT R PRO Allocations + 2020 GT R Orders
What are forum members hearing about GT R PRO allocations and estimated delivery dates? I heard 250 WW and 150 in the U.S. with deliveries in late '19; however, recently I heard that some of the U.S. allocations were being siphoned off to China because of their increasing demand for M-B AMG vehicles. I saw a post from someone in the U.K. saying that their allocation was small and that cars would likely go to prominent YouTubers, etc. Here in SoCal, dealers claim to receive huge "market adjustments" for specialty vehicles like the GT R, new G-Class, etc.
Also, when will order books open for the 2020 GT R now that the DOG is available, and will allocations/availability be restricted?
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Also, when will order books open for the 2020 GT R now that the DOG is available, and will allocations/availability be restricted?
Thanks!
12-08-2018, 02:44 PM
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What are forum members hearing about GT R PRO allocations and estimated delivery dates? I heard 250 WW and 150 in the U.S. with deliveries in late '19; however, recently I heard that some of the U.S. allocations were being siphoned off to China because of their increasing demand for M-B AMG vehicles. I saw a post from someone in the U.K. saying that their allocation was small and that cars would likely go to prominent YouTubers, etc. Here in SoCal, dealers claim to receive huge "market adjustments" for specialty vehicles like the GT R, new G-Class, etc.
Also, when will order books open for the 2020 GT R now that the DOG is available, and will allocations/availability be restricted?
Thanks!
Also, when will order books open for the 2020 GT R now that the DOG is available, and will allocations/availability be restricted?
Thanks!
I bet as the GT cars age there will be less of them.. I got 6 GTR's last year, just one this year
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12-08-2018, 03:41 PM
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I strongly doubt the current platform could be adapted to AWD, and it would add weight to the front of the car; not want you want to enhance handling on a road course. The next gen GT platform may well be configured for AWD, but to spend millions just so the current gen BS has four driven wheels makes no economic sense.
The BS will have: more power; less weight; even more track oriented suspension, and probably larger, stickier tyres. It will out ‘pro’ the ‘Pro’ for sure. Lol
Bish
What the car WILL have to help put that power down is a big *** wing.
12-09-2018, 08:33 AM
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What are forum members hearing about GT R PRO allocations and estimated delivery dates? I heard 250 WW and 150 in the U.S. with deliveries in late '19; however, recently I heard that some of the U.S. allocations were being siphoned off to China because of their increasing demand for M-B AMG vehicles. I saw a post from someone in the U.K. saying that their allocation was small and that cars would likely go to prominent YouTubers, etc. Here in SoCal, dealers claim to receive huge "market adjustments" for specialty vehicles like the GT R, new G-Class, etc.
Also, when will order books open for the 2020 GT R now that the DOG is available, and will allocations/availability be restricted?
Thanks!
Also, when will order books open for the 2020 GT R now that the DOG is available, and will allocations/availability be restricted?
Thanks!
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12-09-2018, 11:58 AM
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12-09-2018, 01:07 PM
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Am I the only one that thought the AMG GTR Pro would have ran faster at N'ring? I know pulling off 6s from an already fast lap can be tough, but come one... I guess I'm just still p*ssed at the 991 GT2 RS.
12-09-2018, 01:20 PM
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they will likely run it again as it was very cold that morning, and tires were standard fare. WTBS, the black will be the de facto standard IMO and run well into 6:50 range.
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12-09-2018, 03:27 PM
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What some people are (conveniently?) forgetting is that the GT2 RS and GT3 RS runs were on the new Michelin SC2 ‘R’ tyre, which is much faster than an OEM SC2. So IF the ‘Pro’ had been run on the ‘Ring during warm conditions and on a equivalent tyre, it no doubt would be much faster.
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ive been told by others that they’re the same.
12-09-2018, 03:43 PM
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What some people are (conveniently?) forgetting is that the GT2 RS and GT3 RS runs were on the new Michelin SC2 ‘R’ tyre, which is much faster than an OEM SC2. So IF the ‘Pro’ had been run on the ‘Ring during warm conditions and on a equivalent tyre, it no doubt would be much faster.
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12-09-2018, 04:40 PM
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GT R PRO As A Placeholder
Road & Track has an online list of the top 10 Nürburgring lap times dated 11/28/18. It's easy to Google it. I need MBWorld 101 so I can learn how to paste in a link; here it is typed in one letter at a time. http://www.roadandtrack.com/carcultu...g-lap-records/ It's great because it includes lap videos. Here are the AMG & Porsche lap times among AWD and RWD cars:
Porsche GT 2 RS: 6:47.25
Porsche GT 3 RS: 6:56.4
AMG GT R PRO: 7:04.63
AMG GT R: 7:10.92
Wikipedia has a relatively recent list of top 'Ring lap times (GT R PRO not incl.) with indicates that factory drivers did all of the fast laps for the Porsche cars, all with factory support, as was the case with the 911 GT3 (7.12.7). Sport Auto did the AMG GT R 7:10.92, not Mercedes, and while their results are pretty quick, on the Porsche GT3 RS they were slower than the factory team by 4 seconds - of course there are a lot of variables. The Wikipedia listing includes dates, driver names and equipment (tires, deleted options, etc.).
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12-09-2018, 07:28 PM
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i think mid 6:50, I’m just not sure the extra power will be that useable. Sure it’ll help on the long straights but likely won’t be able to accelerate any faster out of the turns. The top 4 are all rear weight biased and/or AWD, and we know mclaren and Ferrari would be up there if they cared.
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12-09-2018, 08:10 PM
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With all the model-to-model comparisons between the AMG GT series and the Porsche 911, I'm wondering if the GTR R PRO was developed to be a more direct competitor to the 911 GT3 RS (limited production, somewhat more track-focused than the GT R). That would position the Black Series to be head-to-head with the 911 GT2 RS. I wonder if Mercedes-AMG thought that the GT R PRO would beat the GT3 RS based on respective lap times at other circuits. I can imagine the angst if they need to announce the car at launch in L.A. and find that the lap time is 7.04 and not faster than the GT3 RS. Good to hear that M-B might repeat the test under better conditions. Given the way Mercedes-AMG is competing, I would expect the Black Series to have a design requirement that says "beat the GT2 RS' time". But just about then, Porsche might put more race tech into a street version of the new GT2 RS Clubsport or use hybrid technology like the Panamera Turbo S but with less of a weight penalty…. We're living in good times.
Road & Track has an online list of the top 10 Nürburgring lap times dated 11/28/18. It's easy to Google it. I need MBWorld 101 so I can learn how to paste in a link; here it is typed in one letter at a time. http://www.roadandtrack.com/carcultu...g-lap-records/ It's great because it includes lap videos. Here are the AMG & Porsche lap times among AWD and RWD cars:
Porsche GT 2 RS: 6:47.25
Porsche GT 3 RS: 6:56.4
AMG GT R PRO: 7:04.63
AMG GT R: 7:10.92
Wikipedia has a relatively recent list of top 'Ring lap times (GT R PRO not incl.) with indicates that factory drivers did all of the fast laps for the Porsche cars, all with factory support, as was the case with the 911 GT3 (7.12.7). Sport Auto did the AMG GT R 7:10.92, not Mercedes, and while their results are pretty quick, on the Porsche GT3 RS they were slower than the factory team by 4 seconds - of course there are a lot of variables. The Wikipedia listing includes dates, driver names and equipment (tires, deleted options, etc.).
Road & Track has an online list of the top 10 Nürburgring lap times dated 11/28/18. It's easy to Google it. I need MBWorld 101 so I can learn how to paste in a link; here it is typed in one letter at a time. http://www.roadandtrack.com/carcultu...g-lap-records/ It's great because it includes lap videos. Here are the AMG & Porsche lap times among AWD and RWD cars:
Porsche GT 2 RS: 6:47.25
Porsche GT 3 RS: 6:56.4
AMG GT R PRO: 7:04.63
AMG GT R: 7:10.92
Wikipedia has a relatively recent list of top 'Ring lap times (GT R PRO not incl.) with indicates that factory drivers did all of the fast laps for the Porsche cars, all with factory support, as was the case with the 911 GT3 (7.12.7). Sport Auto did the AMG GT R 7:10.92, not Mercedes, and while their results are pretty quick, on the Porsche GT3 RS they were slower than the factory team by 4 seconds - of course there are a lot of variables. The Wikipedia listing includes dates, driver names and equipment (tires, deleted options, etc.).
Second, the 991 GT2 RS appears to be almost “full track oriented”, with roll cage, weight relief and whatnot, while the AMG GTR Pro still has a ‘fancy’ interior and dashboard, and that makes me wonder if Mercedes Benz have not yet launched their ultimate “track focused” car - what the Black Series would be.
That gives me hope towards a sub-7min RWD Mercedes Benz. But burn almost 30seconds? I’m no race pilot, but I think 30s/lap is freaky faster. That is a really really impressive time, IMO. I’m eagerly waiting to go back to mocking all that Porscha-fans, goddamnit that GT2RS, that car is a beast.
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12-09-2018, 10:29 PM
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I’ve only ever seen pictures of the ‘R’, but it does look incredibly similar to the SC2 ZP tyre doesn’t it? I suspect the ‘R’ is basically the same type of tyre as the ZP but in a non-RFT format with far ‘stickier’ rubber on the outside.
12-09-2018, 10:36 PM
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The GT R ‘Pro’ is the 991.2 GT3 RS competitor at a 7:04 ‘Ring time, albeit I’m assuming using the MPSC2 ZP tyre, instead of the new ‘R’ which isn’t out in sizes for the GT R yet iirc. With the ‘R’ tyre or equivalent and during warm ambient temps, I’d bet the ‘Pro’ would be right up with the 991.2 GT3 RS’ ‘Ring time.
The 2020/21 BS variant will be the one gunning for the GT2 RS’ time.
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12-10-2018, 04:26 AM
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Funny that the old Cup (still listed on tirerack!) that we all used to run back in the day is rated at 80. Those things didn’t last 5 minutes!
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