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Old Jan 13, 2007 | 07:13 PM
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Hey guys im new to MB and i have a c230ss and my question is if there is any available turbo kits that i can find for my car and at a normal price from like 3k-4k dollars. Thanks
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Old Jan 13, 2007 | 07:16 PM
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Hey guys im new to MB and i have a c230ss and my question is if there is any available turbo kits that i can find for my car and at a normal price from like 3k-4k dollars. Thanks
The easy answer? No.

The hard answer (for your wallet)? Yes. But no, 3-4K doesn't cover the cost. And you've gotta be pretty damn commited for a project like that (and find a reputable shop with an in-house tuner). WHAT?! ;D.

To elaborate, okay so I have this turbo kit sitting next to me. Hm? Keep the charger: Y/N? Find bigger injectors: Y/N? Find a tuner who can tune the bigger injectors and the whole setup: Y/N? Fabricate an entirely new turbo manifold that will fit the (pretty much custom one-off) turbo? Let's control boost: Y/N?

Oh wait... what if we still used the charger?

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At least the injector problem is tackled so far.

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Old Jan 13, 2007 | 07:16 PM
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id like to see it done, do it for mbworld.org
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Old Jan 13, 2007 | 07:18 PM
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well man that really sucks why are people so scared to make parts for MBs?
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Old Jan 13, 2007 | 07:20 PM
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id like to see it done, do it for mbworld.org
That some sort of ironic challenge? .
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Old Jan 13, 2007 | 08:56 PM
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will the VW Veryon engine fit in my coupe?? is there any on sale?
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Old Jan 13, 2007 | 10:39 PM
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i didnt know that the bugatti's were made by vw....damn...I think that the engine is as big as our cars and probably costs 5 times as much...We can all sell our coupes... and then maybe have the down payment for one....well take turns
driving it....

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Old Jan 13, 2007 | 10:54 PM
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will the VW Veryon engine fit in my coupe?? is there any on sale?
Lmao that made me laugh pretty hard. But yea id love quad turbo.
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 10:34 PM
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well man that really sucks why are people so scared to make parts for MBs?
Remember a lot of the members here have no mechanical skills. Not that they need to, but many of them have the money not to need to. I have been working at shops for years, so to me what seems simple might very well seem impossible to any one person here. Don't let anyone or anything keep you from doing what you really want to do. I did one of the first Z32 2+2 TT conversions in the us, but many people told me I couldn't do it. It started on the first try. Now days it's much more common place. The point is..until someone does it successfully, everyone will think it's not really possible, but when someone does they all change their tune.
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Old Jan 14, 2007 | 10:49 PM
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Remember a lot of the members here have no mechanical skills. Not that they need to, but many of them have the money not to need to. I have been working at shops for years, so to me what seems simple might very well seem impossible to any one person here. Don't let anyone or anything keep you from doing what you really want to do. I did one of the first Z32 2+2 TT conversions in the us, but many people told me I couldn't do it. It started on the first try. Now days it's much more common place. The point is..until someone does it successfully, everyone will think it's not really possible, but when someone does they all change their tune.
I agree with what you are saying. But some of work on the cars, like me, do it because a bad day under the hood is better than the best day at work. Saving the money, well, that is a bonus.

But doing a Turbo conversion, to me seems pointless. If money is no object, sure go for it. I will salivate when i hear status reports. But why Turbo? If it is because you want the blow off sound, well, to me that seems like the worst reason. I think a far better option is to go with an AMG engine. Stays within the marque.

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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 04:23 PM
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There a place in El Monte call JPR. They putted a 96 Supra twin turbo motor in a 99 E-class. That thing was pretty fast. So maybe we can fit something smaller for our w203
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 05:41 PM
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you technically could, and someday if i want to get onto a magazine I might try it. First, you have o find a turbo that fits a 1.8l engine. You have two choices from what ive seen. the 1.8l turbo VW or the 1.8l Audi turbo. Next is finding a way to fit it all in the engine. its pretty cramped in there.. but maybe you could figure a way around it.. hen you would have o tune it, and most liekly remake some parts to withstand the new strss of the turbo. And of course, you would weant to leave the supercharger on, because how awsome would it be to be super-turbo-charged?
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 08:59 PM
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you technically could, and someday if i want to get onto a magazine I might try it. First, you have o find a turbo that fits a 1.8l engine. You have two choices from what ive seen. the 1.8l turbo VW or the 1.8l Audi turbo. Next is finding a way to fit it all in the engine. its pretty cramped in there.. but maybe you could figure a way around it.. hen you would have o tune it, and most liekly remake some parts to withstand the new strss of the turbo. And of course, you would weant to leave the supercharger on, because how awsome would it be to be super-turbo-charged?
Wow, that was such an ellaborate explanation of what needs to be done, Stavlo.

Hey, will legos work too?
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 10:57 PM
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=S it was a rushed responce. I wasnt trying to be elaborate.
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 11:23 PM
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=S it was a rushed responce. I wasnt trying to be elaborate.
Take your time. I'd like to hear the elaborate response.
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Old Mar 24, 2007 | 11:54 PM
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Old Mar 25, 2007 | 03:52 AM
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you technically could, and someday if i want to get onto a magazine I might try it. First, you have o find a turbo that fits a 1.8l engine. You have two choices from what ive seen. the 1.8l turbo VW or the 1.8l Audi turbo. Next is finding a way to fit it all in the engine. its pretty cramped in there.. but maybe you could figure a way around it.. hen you would have o tune it, and most liekly remake some parts to withstand the new strss of the turbo. And of course, you would weant to leave the supercharger on, because how awsome would it be to be super-turbo-charged?
Well, the VW and Audi for the 1.8 both use the K03 (IIRC). Tend to run out of breath at higher RPM and become restrictive. Not an ideal choice at all. The T3 or the T3/T4 seem to be a common and good chice for most 1.8L engines. Then you'd have to think of the wastegate (if external), BOV, intercooler, turbo manifold, downpipe, injectors, fuel pump, charge pipings, misc bolts, screws, clamps, hoses. And most importantly some form of fuel management and tuning which I think is the hardes part for the Benz.

Super-turbo-charged = twin charging, its been done before.

This is just me so don't take any offense but from other threads (with the exception of a few) have great knowledge in Mercedes and actually go out and mod their cars while most just pay and have it done. Guess I'm just use to being a hands on guy and working on cars.
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Old Mar 25, 2007 | 11:13 AM
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Tangerine covered most of what I was going to say in an elaborate responce. but let me see if I can pick up anything else.

First off, you would need to open up some room in the engine bay. Its pretty tightly fit in there as is. Easiest way to clear some space is to take out the AC. You might be able to fit the intercooler in front of the radiator with a little bit of work.

You would definetly want to get new exhaust and headers, most likely both would have to be a custom make.

Again, as tangerine said, you would have to get alarger fuel pump and injectors, and most likely again they would have to be a custom make. Im cant think of anything off hand you would be able to just pick up and swap.

Basically, your looking at a ton of custom work, alot of manuvering around an already tightly packed engine, and then alot of tuning that would have to be done at a shop.

Tangerine, Granted the 1.8l turbo runs out of breath at the higher end, thats where the supercharger really shines. They would kind of even each other out. At least, I would think.
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