C230 Sedan confirmed for US!
12-14-2002, 05:54 PM
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C230 Sedan confirmed for US!
I was at work today at the dealership and saw some info from MB about the C230 Sport Sedan and also C320 Sport that will be available, I don't know when yet.
The 230 Sedan had C7 wheels and same body kit as old sport package, with aluminum interior. Don't know anything about pricing either, but it's coming. I know there has been talk here about it coming to Canada, but looks like US will get it too. And it has the 1.8L engine, not the 2.3. They should just call it C180K.
The 230 Sedan had C7 wheels and same body kit as old sport package, with aluminum interior. Don't know anything about pricing either, but it's coming. I know there has been talk here about it coming to Canada, but looks like US will get it too. And it has the 1.8L engine, not the 2.3. They should just call it C180K.
12-14-2002, 06:47 PM
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what will this do to c240 sales? Will it be priced more or less than the 240? Seeing that the 230K engine (1.8 and 2.3) is far superiour to the 240, will they just drop the 240 all together?
12-14-2002, 06:54 PM
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what will this do to c240 sales? Will it be priced more or less than the 240? Seeing that the 230K engine (1.8 and 2.3) is far superiour to the 240, will they just drop the 240 all together?
what will this do to c240 sales? Will it be priced more or less than the 240? Seeing that the 230K engine (1.8 and 2.3) is far superiour to the 240, will they just drop the 240 all together?
12-14-2002, 07:42 PM
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I don't think the C240 will be going anywhere, but it will certainly hurt its sales. Especially when you get a sport package included in the base price. And it might even be less than C240 at base price, so that will be great. I would buy it over C240 anyday, but i'm in a lease on my coupe. And you still can't get a pulley for the 1.8L, so i'm still glad i got my coupe.
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will that be 03 or 04 for the C230 sedan?
if it does make it to the states, it will definitely kill the market for the C240 or even the C320. Consider that the sport pkg is no longer available for C240 or C320 (at least this year).
if it does make it to the states, it will definitely kill the market for the C240 or even the C320. Consider that the sport pkg is no longer available for C240 or C320 (at least this year).
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I still don't know when it will come out. I would think that if they are talking about it now, that it will be an '03. Or maybe it will come out in the summer as an early '04. I guess we'll all have to wait and see. But it definitely seems like it will be a neat car, and a killer for C240 sales.
12-14-2002, 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by Matt230K
... and a killer for C240 sales.
... and a killer for C240 sales.
The 4-banger in the sedan is a rip-off profit-grabbing scheme by MB.
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Originally posted by patronus
I totally disagree. I would take the V-6 over the 4-banger any day, despite the extra HP. The V-6 is just buttery smooth and quiet, more fitting to the solid, quiet sedan. I think the 4-banger in the sedan is a bad idea and just represents more cost slashing by MB to keep the price below $30k year after year. Think how this will hold up to the competition (BMW 325i). It won't.
The 4-banger in the sedan is a rip-off profit-grabbing scheme by MB.
I totally disagree. I would take the V-6 over the 4-banger any day, despite the extra HP. The V-6 is just buttery smooth and quiet, more fitting to the solid, quiet sedan. I think the 4-banger in the sedan is a bad idea and just represents more cost slashing by MB to keep the price below $30k year after year. Think how this will hold up to the competition (BMW 325i). It won't.
The 4-banger in the sedan is a rip-off profit-grabbing scheme by MB.
the C240 is already NOT holding up against the competition(BMW 325i, Audi A4 1.8T)
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M-B needs to keep the C240 for all of the old people and women and others who dont have power as their #1 priority.
However a sub-$30k C sedan w/ real power, 6-speed, sport package, etc could make a formidable challenge to the 325 and A4 that the C240 never did.
However a sub-$30k C sedan w/ real power, 6-speed, sport package, etc could make a formidable challenge to the 325 and A4 that the C240 never did.
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12-14-2002, 09:03 PM
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C230 sedan reborn?
Just looked on the German website and it is not listed. Makes you wonder if this might not be an export only model. MB has been known to do this before.
Anyway, MB has had 4-bangers in sedan before in the states. In other parts of the world they still do it.
Anyway, MB has had 4-bangers in sedan before in the states. In other parts of the world they still do it.
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Originally posted by FrankW
so u saying Audi is ripping people off with their 180hp 1.8T engine too?
the C240 is already NOT holding up against the competition(BMW 325i, Audi A4 1.8T)
so u saying Audi is ripping people off with their 180hp 1.8T engine too?
the C240 is already NOT holding up against the competition(BMW 325i, Audi A4 1.8T)
What the C240 really lacks is a decent sport suspension and factory 17" wheels. Of course, the old ladies would not buy it, but more enthusiasts would.
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Originally posted by patronus
What the C240 really lacks is a decent sport suspension and factory 17" wheels. Of course, the old ladies would not buy it, but more enthusiasts would.
What the C240 really lacks is a decent sport suspension and factory 17" wheels. Of course, the old ladies would not buy it, but more enthusiasts would.
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Very true... but also for an enthusiast how do justify paying more for a 168hp car vs. a 184?
Very true... but also for an enthusiast how do justify paying more for a 168hp car vs. a 184?
12-14-2002, 09:13 PM
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By the 184 I was referring to the BMW I6, but also the 189 hp 4-cyl w/ the dual balance shafts is smooth enough for most people. (admittedly unlike both of our 2.3 liter 4's)
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Originally posted by patronus
I totally agree with the fact that the C240 is NOT holding up. Going to a 4-banger will just make it worse. Notice that Audi, VW & Saab have not taken over the market with theirs.
What the C240 really lacks is a decent sport suspension and factory 17" wheels. Of course, the old ladies would not buy it, but more enthusiasts would.
I totally agree with the fact that the C240 is NOT holding up. Going to a 4-banger will just make it worse. Notice that Audi, VW & Saab have not taken over the market with theirs.
What the C240 really lacks is a decent sport suspension and factory 17" wheels. Of course, the old ladies would not buy it, but more enthusiasts would.
Although the title of the post is "C230 Sedan Confirmed for US," I do not consider the C230 sedan confirmed in the US. Not based on that post.
I personally doubt it will happen.
From MB's standpoint, there is no reason for it in the US.
The only reason they would do it is to lower the price of the C sedan. But, the sedan is already priced as low as they need it to be (the lowest priced MB C sedan is always going to be a little more than the 3 Series).
If someone wants more power than the C240, they can get the C320, in automatic or stick. There is simply no need to put a third engine in between the 240 and the 320.
So, if anyone is taking bets, you can put my money on "It Ain't Gonna Happen."
12-14-2002, 09:34 PM
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I agree. Plus, the C240 outsells the C320 - I doubt they want to mess with that.
Although the title of the post is "C230 Sedan Confirmed for US," I do not consider the C230 sedan confirmed in the US. Not based on that post.
I personally doubt it will happen.
From MB's standpoint, there is no reason for it in the US.
The only reason they would do it is to lower the price of the C sedan. But, the sedan is already priced as low as they need it to be (the lowest priced MB C sedan is always going to be a little more than the 3 Series).
If someone wants more power than the C240, they can get the C320, in automatic or stick. There is simply no need to put a third engine in between the 240 and the 320.
So, if anyone is taking bets, you can put my money on "It Ain't Gonna Happen."
I agree. Plus, the C240 outsells the C320 - I doubt they want to mess with that.
Although the title of the post is "C230 Sedan Confirmed for US," I do not consider the C230 sedan confirmed in the US. Not based on that post.
I personally doubt it will happen.
From MB's standpoint, there is no reason for it in the US.
The only reason they would do it is to lower the price of the C sedan. But, the sedan is already priced as low as they need it to be (the lowest priced MB C sedan is always going to be a little more than the 3 Series).
If someone wants more power than the C240, they can get the C320, in automatic or stick. There is simply no need to put a third engine in between the 240 and the 320.
So, if anyone is taking bets, you can put my money on "It Ain't Gonna Happen."
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Originally posted by AndrewK
By the 184 I was referring to the BMW I6, but also the 189 hp 4-cyl w/ the dual balance shafts is smooth enough for most people. (admittedly unlike both of our 2.3 liter 4's)
By the 184 I was referring to the BMW I6, but also the 189 hp 4-cyl w/ the dual balance shafts is smooth enough for most people. (admittedly unlike both of our 2.3 liter 4's)
Actually, if I could get it I would take a C320 with a 5-speed manual. I hate my 6-speed. First is too low and the ratios are too close. Oh well...
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why can't MB put a four banger in a C class? It makes more hp, it is more efficient, it has a KOMPRESSOR, which adds an extra wow factor, and it's faster that the current C240. Not to flame the 240 but it's reality. Talking about smoothness, the V6 will most certainlny be smoother, but how rougher is the 4 banger? Not that it will shake your entire car while you're driving it. From my test with my uncle's 240, my 1.8 is not that rougher. I would say that it is almost on par. So, IMO, it is going to happen. If somebody wants a V6, they can pick the 320 anytime. It's also logical because maybe MB is moving to a more performance aspirated cars which they're not currently known as.
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I agree first and second are slightly too low, but gears three and up are about perfect for me. Anyway I agree w/ MacPhisto that a C230 (180?) would be useless if it was in between the 240 and 320, but if it was in the $28k-$29k range it would be sucessful IMO.
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Originally posted by FrankW
There is no need for the C320 coupe too, but it's still a reality.
There is no need for the C320 coupe too, but it's still a reality.
The C230 "Sport Coupe" needs a more powerful, smoother engine if it even hopes to compete with cars like MT's Car of the Year, the 280 hp G35. There is a need for the C320 if MB wants to reasonably compete in that market.
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Originally posted by MacPhisto
Anytime a manufacturer upgrades from a 4 cylinder to a 6 cylinder in the US (particularly a "premier" mfr), it is never surprising.
The C230 "Sport Coupe" needs a more powerful, smoother engine if it even hopes to compete with cars like MT's Car of the Year, the 280 hp G35. There is a need for the C320 if MB wants to reasonably compete in that market.
Anytime a manufacturer upgrades from a 4 cylinder to a 6 cylinder in the US (particularly a "premier" mfr), it is never surprising.
The C230 "Sport Coupe" needs a more powerful, smoother engine if it even hopes to compete with cars like MT's Car of the Year, the 280 hp G35. There is a need for the C320 if MB wants to reasonably compete in that market.
But if choosing between C320 sports coupe and the G35 coupe. I would pick the G35 because it's a better performance machine and luxurious too.
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Originally posted by FrankW
the new clk is more likely to compete with the G35 in the performance and size wise war. C-coupe can only compete in the price war.
But if choosing between C320 sports coupe and the G35 coupe. I would pick the G35 because it's a better performance machine and luxurious too.
the new clk is more likely to compete with the G35 in the performance and size wise war. C-coupe can only compete in the price war.
But if choosing between C320 sports coupe and the G35 coupe. I would pick the G35 because it's a better performance machine and luxurious too.
The G35 is a better performance machine than the C230, so I assume you'd pick the G35 over the C230. I would too. Based on my drives of both during our search for a car for our son, I honestly can't see how anyone who honestly drives a G35 and a C230 would not pick the G35. It is simply incredible.
I'd be curious. Did anyone here (HONESTLY) drive both cars and then pick the C230? I'm curious as to your reasons.
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Well I did not drive both, but I would choose the C230 over the G35 anyway. I have no interest in that terribly cheesy interior of the G35 nor its ugly exterior. Besides, if I wanted to go fast I would have gotten a WRX for $22k. But because of the area where I live, there is not much use for the extra power, so it is not the number one priority.
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Well I did not drive both, but I would choose the C230 over the G35 anyway. I have no interest in that terribly cheesy interior of the G35 nor its ugly exterior. Besides, if I wanted to go fast I would have gotten an WRX for $22k. But because of the area where I live, there is not much use for the extra power, so it is not the number one priority.
Well I did not drive both, but I would choose the C230 over the G35 anyway. I have no interest in that terribly cheesy interior of the G35 nor its ugly exterior. Besides, if I wanted to go fast I would have gotten an WRX for $22k. But because of the area where I live, there is not much use for the extra power, so it is not the number one priority.
Actually, if you're really a performance nut, wouldn't you go for the z instead of the g35? Smaller, lighter, a couple of extra ponies, and much cheaper than the g.
