Need help to choose right ATF for 722.6 ATF3403 vs ATF 3353 vs ATF 4134
05-09-2009, 08:30 PM
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Need help to choose right ATF for 722.6 ATF3403 vs ATF 3353 vs ATF 4134
About to do transmission flush.Now facing a problem to choose the right ATF,
MB approved ATF for 722.6 (02 c230k) transmission from WIS.
ATF specification 236.10
MB 236.10 ATF 3403 A001 989 2303
Shell ATF 3403-M 115
However i found there are some other MB approval ATF available. Which is the best choice do you think?
1.MB ATF 3403 around $15/L MB-APPROVAL 236.10 for 5-speed Auto transmission This is the one WIS recommend ATF.
2.TITAN ATF 3353 $12/L MB-APPROVAL 236.12 for 7-speed Auto transmission
from FUCHS website <Ultra high-performance DEXRON III-generation-ATF for automatic transmissions as well as any other ATF-applications. Developed for the latest generation of Mercedes-Benz 7-step-automatic transmissions (NAG 2), applicable as well for the predecessing 5-step-automatic transmissions (NAG 1). Offers fuel-efficiency potential.>
looks like it will work 5-speed with better performance over No.1.It also cheaper than No.1 But question is is it ok to mix with the one i have now(ATF3403).Because i think even i do a flush there are still some dirty oil left in the oil line. Need make sure it is ok to mix it.
3.MB ATF 4134 $15/l MB 236.12/236.14 for 7 speed 722.9 < a high performance fluid designed to optimize shifting performance.>
I think this is the best ATF for MB. AMG use this kind of ATF to match the High Engine performance.
Question is does it compatible with 722.6 5-speed? since it stated it designed for 7-speed.IS it safe to use on 5-speed
Need your advise.
Thanks
MB approved ATF for 722.6 (02 c230k) transmission from WIS.
ATF specification 236.10
MB 236.10 ATF 3403 A001 989 2303
Shell ATF 3403-M 115
However i found there are some other MB approval ATF available. Which is the best choice do you think?
1.MB ATF 3403 around $15/L MB-APPROVAL 236.10 for 5-speed Auto transmission This is the one WIS recommend ATF.
2.TITAN ATF 3353 $12/L MB-APPROVAL 236.12 for 7-speed Auto transmission
from FUCHS website <Ultra high-performance DEXRON III-generation-ATF for automatic transmissions as well as any other ATF-applications. Developed for the latest generation of Mercedes-Benz 7-step-automatic transmissions (NAG 2), applicable as well for the predecessing 5-step-automatic transmissions (NAG 1). Offers fuel-efficiency potential.>
looks like it will work 5-speed with better performance over No.1.It also cheaper than No.1 But question is is it ok to mix with the one i have now(ATF3403).Because i think even i do a flush there are still some dirty oil left in the oil line. Need make sure it is ok to mix it.
3.MB ATF 4134 $15/l MB 236.12/236.14 for 7 speed 722.9 < a high performance fluid designed to optimize shifting performance.>
I think this is the best ATF for MB. AMG use this kind of ATF to match the High Engine performance.
Question is does it compatible with 722.6 5-speed? since it stated it designed for 7-speed.IS it safe to use on 5-speed
Need your advise.
Thanks
05-09-2009, 10:36 PM
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Yes, they’re all compatible with each other and approved for use in our 722.6xx five speed gearbox.
MB’s ATF 3353 (#001 989 45 03 10) for the 722.9xx seven speed is supposedly suitable for any 722.3, .4, .5, or .6 iteration. I’ve used it in lieu of the period correct 236.1 specification #001 989 21 03 10 to help mitigate C32-specific torque converter lockup abruptness. Its increased friction modifiers decreased shift firmness such that it’s long since gone back to its original formulation. A quick and crisp shift is a happy shift, IMHO. Increased shift duration only serves to ‘improve’ passenger comfort - at the expense of additional friction material (clutch and band) wear. Haven’t tried their recent 236.14 spec #001 989 68 03, though.
Of course, it’s virtually impossible for one to renew all of the ATF during a flush, regardless of his preferred method – excluding a complete teardown. They’re ostensibly refined to be mixed and backdated for just that reason.
Since you’ve obviously done your homework and due diligence, you are welcome to borrow my requisite dipstick and infrared thermometer for ascertaining its proper ATF level when you’re ready to do the deed.
C230 Sport Coup’s helpful thread...https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...related-2.html.
MB’s ATF 3353 (#001 989 45 03 10) for the 722.9xx seven speed is supposedly suitable for any 722.3, .4, .5, or .6 iteration. I’ve used it in lieu of the period correct 236.1 specification #001 989 21 03 10 to help mitigate C32-specific torque converter lockup abruptness. Its increased friction modifiers decreased shift firmness such that it’s long since gone back to its original formulation. A quick and crisp shift is a happy shift, IMHO. Increased shift duration only serves to ‘improve’ passenger comfort - at the expense of additional friction material (clutch and band) wear. Haven’t tried their recent 236.14 spec #001 989 68 03, though.
Of course, it’s virtually impossible for one to renew all of the ATF during a flush, regardless of his preferred method – excluding a complete teardown. They’re ostensibly refined to be mixed and backdated for just that reason.
Since you’ve obviously done your homework and due diligence, you are welcome to borrow my requisite dipstick and infrared thermometer for ascertaining its proper ATF level when you’re ready to do the deed.
C230 Sport Coup’s helpful thread...https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...related-2.html.
05-09-2009, 10:57 PM
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I'd go with the MB fluid so you will be assured compatibility. You could achieve a total replacement using an in-line machine and doing it correctly (exercising all gears/valves) but I don't think the extra cost is worth it.
05-10-2009, 12:42 AM
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+1 Bump. Tahnks for the nice write back.Yes, they’re all compatible with each other and approved for use in our 722.6xx five speed gearbox.
MB’s ATF 3353 (#001 989 45 03 10) for the 722.9xx seven speed is supposedly suitable for any 722.3, .4, .5, or .6 iteration. I’ve used it in lieu of the period correct 236.1 specification #001 989 21 03 10 to help mitigate C32-specific torque converter lockup abruptness. Its increased friction modifiers decreased shift firmness such that it’s long since gone back to its original formulation. A quick and crisp shift is a happy shift, IMHO. Increased shift duration only serves to ‘improve’ passenger comfort - at the expense of additional friction material (clutch and band) wear. Haven’t tried their recent 236.14 spec #001 989 68 03, though.
Of course, it’s virtually impossible for one to renew all of the ATF during a flush, regardless of his preferred method – excluding a complete teardown. They’re ostensibly refined to be mixed and backdated for just that reason.
Since you’ve obviously done your homework and due diligence, you are welcome to borrow my requisite dipstick and infrared thermometer for ascertaining its proper ATF level when you’re ready to do the deed.
C230 Sport Coup’s helpful thread...https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...related-2.html.
MB’s ATF 3353 (#001 989 45 03 10) for the 722.9xx seven speed is supposedly suitable for any 722.3, .4, .5, or .6 iteration. I’ve used it in lieu of the period correct 236.1 specification #001 989 21 03 10 to help mitigate C32-specific torque converter lockup abruptness. Its increased friction modifiers decreased shift firmness such that it’s long since gone back to its original formulation. A quick and crisp shift is a happy shift, IMHO. Increased shift duration only serves to ‘improve’ passenger comfort - at the expense of additional friction material (clutch and band) wear. Haven’t tried their recent 236.14 spec #001 989 68 03, though.
Of course, it’s virtually impossible for one to renew all of the ATF during a flush, regardless of his preferred method – excluding a complete teardown. They’re ostensibly refined to be mixed and backdated for just that reason.
Since you’ve obviously done your homework and due diligence, you are welcome to borrow my requisite dipstick and infrared thermometer for ascertaining its proper ATF level when you’re ready to do the deed.
C230 Sport Coup’s helpful thread...https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...related-2.html.
05-10-2009, 12:50 AM
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BTW Does 8 liter ATF sounds enough to flush 722.6?
05-10-2009, 04:15 AM
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The Fuchs fluid is fine - Fuchs & Deutsche Shell are OE suppliers - I would only use the latest generation fluids. They are a step up on the old fluids on oxidation stability, consistency of shift over long periods etc. Fuchs is naughty to mention Dexron III. Their fluid is backwards compatible to Dexron III applications but conventional Dexron III is not forward compatible to Benz 722.6 & 722.9 requirements. On no account use Dexron III fluids.
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Yes, they’re all compatible with each other and approved for use in our 722.6xx five speed gearbox.
MB’s ATF 3353 (#001 989 45 03 10) for the 722.9xx seven speed is supposedly suitable for any 722.3, .4, .5, or .6 iteration. I’ve used it in lieu of the period correct 236.1 specification #001 989 21 03 10 to help mitigate C32-specific torque converter lockup abruptness. Its increased friction modifiers decreased shift firmness such that it’s long since gone back to its original formulation. A quick and crisp shift is a happy shift, IMHO. Increased shift duration only serves to ‘improve’ passenger comfort - at the expense of additional friction material (clutch and band) wear. Haven’t tried their recent 236.14 spec #001 989 68 03, though.
Of course, it’s virtually impossible for one to renew all of the ATF during a flush, regardless of his preferred method – excluding a complete teardown. They’re ostensibly refined to be mixed and backdated for just that reason.
Since you’ve obviously done your homework and due diligence, you are welcome to borrow my requisite dipstick and infrared thermometer for ascertaining its proper ATF level when you’re ready to do the deed.
C230 Sport Coup’s helpful thread...https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...related-2.html.
MB’s ATF 3353 (#001 989 45 03 10) for the 722.9xx seven speed is supposedly suitable for any 722.3, .4, .5, or .6 iteration. I’ve used it in lieu of the period correct 236.1 specification #001 989 21 03 10 to help mitigate C32-specific torque converter lockup abruptness. Its increased friction modifiers decreased shift firmness such that it’s long since gone back to its original formulation. A quick and crisp shift is a happy shift, IMHO. Increased shift duration only serves to ‘improve’ passenger comfort - at the expense of additional friction material (clutch and band) wear. Haven’t tried their recent 236.14 spec #001 989 68 03, though.
Of course, it’s virtually impossible for one to renew all of the ATF during a flush, regardless of his preferred method – excluding a complete teardown. They’re ostensibly refined to be mixed and backdated for just that reason.
Since you’ve obviously done your homework and due diligence, you are welcome to borrow my requisite dipstick and infrared thermometer for ascertaining its proper ATF level when you’re ready to do the deed.
C230 Sport Coup’s helpful thread...https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...related-2.html.
With MB’s ATF 3353 you noticed improvements in the shifting and coasting to a downshift?
My high mileage tranny is a bit abrupt in the mornings, and I'd like to nurse her with the best possible fluid.
Ed
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05-10-2009, 08:06 PM
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Flüssigkeitsgetriebeöl clarification…
Specification; its MB part number:
236.10 = A 001 989 21 03 10
236.11 = A 001 989 22 03
236.12 = A 001 989 45 03 13
236.13 = A 001 989 23 03
236.14 = A 001 989 68 03
Note that MB’s initial 722.9 seven speed mandated ATF and “no scheduled maintenance” advisories have been revised since its release:
As much as it pains me to admit it, Glyn “petroleum man” Ruck is entirely correct to advise utilizing MB’s most recently approved fluids.
Specification; its MB part number:
236.10 = A 001 989 21 03 10
236.11 = A 001 989 22 03
236.12 = A 001 989 45 03 13
236.13 = A 001 989 23 03
236.14 = A 001 989 68 03
Note that MB’s initial 722.9 seven speed mandated ATF and “no scheduled maintenance” advisories have been revised since its release:
As much as it pains me to admit it, Glyn “petroleum man” Ruck is entirely correct to advise utilizing MB’s most recently approved fluids.
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05-10-2009, 08:08 PM
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emrliquidlife…
Yours will likely shift more smoothly with the 3353 (#A 001 989 45 03 13) fluid.
It’s slightly less costly than the older stuff, too.
Your M111 must be close to the 200,000 mile threshold, no? The GMC devoured its first transmission to reach 215k.
Yours will likely shift more smoothly with the 3353 (#A 001 989 45 03 13) fluid.
It’s slightly less costly than the older stuff, too.
Your M111 must be close to the 200,000 mile threshold, no? The GMC devoured its first transmission to reach 215k.
05-11-2009, 04:40 PM
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Hey guys,
MY GF has a 2006 ML with the (edit) 7 speed, and they used
001989680310.
I don't see that anywhere around here, but it shows up on google as being for the 7 speed.
The thing is clunking down to 1st gear when you get close to stopping, apparently a common problem, but it wasn't really an issue till after the flush.
Questions or comments appreciated...
MY GF has a 2006 ML with the (edit) 7 speed, and they used
001989680310.
I don't see that anywhere around here, but it shows up on google as being for the 7 speed.
The thing is clunking down to 1st gear when you get close to stopping, apparently a common problem, but it wasn't really an issue till after the flush.
Questions or comments appreciated...
Last edited by C230 Sport Coup; 05-11-2009 at 07:40 PM.
05-11-2009, 05:06 PM
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I don't think they make a 6 speed automatic, are you sure it isn't a 7 speed? The W211 forum has lots of information on the 7 speed. Apparently it took a while before MB got the kinks worked out of the transmission and the E class was one of the first models to get it.
05-11-2009, 05:44 PM
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Hey guys,
MY GF has a 2006 ML with the 6 speed, and they used
001989680310.
I don't see that anywhere around here, but it shows up on google as being for the 7 speed.
The thing is clunking down to 1st gear when you get close to stopping, apparently a common problem, but it wasn't really an issue till after the flush.
Questions or comments appreciated...
MY GF has a 2006 ML with the 6 speed, and they used
001989680310.
I don't see that anywhere around here, but it shows up on google as being for the 7 speed.
The thing is clunking down to 1st gear when you get close to stopping, apparently a common problem, but it wasn't really an issue till after the flush.
Questions or comments appreciated...
Last edited by Glyn M Ruck; 05-11-2009 at 05:51 PM.
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along with seal , plug , etc.. going to do transmission flush this weekend.
05-11-2009, 09:38 PM
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I got them from rmeuropean dot com.a very good site and REALLY nice customer services.Remember to e-mail or call the guy named Art.He usually will upgrade you to overnight shipping free. last time i placed order around 4pm then contacted Art. was told i got upgrade shipping.and i was thinking i got 3 days shipping or so...In the next morning (around 10 am)the delivery guy was knocking the door.
I had never expect to receive any auto parts that fast.I mean Super Fast!
P.S i am not affiliated to rmeuropean in anyways Just a very very happy customer.
ATF 4134
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I had never expect to receive any auto parts that fast.I mean Super Fast!P.S i am not affiliated to rmeuropean in anyways Just a very very happy customer.
ATF 4134
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Manufacturer: FUCHS
List Price $15.00
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Hey guys,
MY GF has a 2006 ML with the (edit) 7 speed, and they used
001989680310.
I don't see that anywhere around here, but it shows up on google as being for the 7 speed.
The thing is clunking down to 1st gear when you get close to stopping, apparently a common problem, but it wasn't really an issue till after the flush.
Questions or comments appreciated...
MY GF has a 2006 ML with the (edit) 7 speed, and they used
001989680310.
I don't see that anywhere around here, but it shows up on google as being for the 7 speed.
The thing is clunking down to 1st gear when you get close to stopping, apparently a common problem, but it wasn't really an issue till after the flush.
Questions or comments appreciated...
05-13-2009, 09:22 AM
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I got them from rmeuropean dot com.a very good site and REALLY nice customer services.Remember to e-mail or call the guy named Art.He usually will upgrade you to overnight shipping free. last time i placed order around 4pm then contacted Art. was told i got upgrade shipping.and i was thinking i got 3 days shipping or so...In the next morning (around 10 am)the delivery guy was knocking the door. I had never expect to receive any auto parts that fast.I mean Super Fast!
P.S i am not affiliated to rmeuropean in anyways Just a very very happy customer.
ATF 4134
Part Number: 001-989-68-03-10 / 001989680310
Manufacturer: FUCHS
List Price $15.00
Your Price $11.64
You Save $3.36 - 22%
I had never expect to receive any auto parts that fast.I mean Super Fast!P.S i am not affiliated to rmeuropean in anyways Just a very very happy customer.
ATF 4134
Part Number: 001-989-68-03-10 / 001989680310
Manufacturer: FUCHS
List Price $15.00
Your Price $11.64
You Save $3.36 - 22%
05-13-2009, 10:34 AM
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I got them from rmeuropean dot com.a very good site and REALLY nice customer services.Remember to e-mail or call the guy named Art.He usually will upgrade you to overnight shipping free. last time i placed order around 4pm then contacted Art. was told i got upgrade shipping.and i was thinking i got 3 days shipping or so...In the next morning (around 10 am)the delivery guy was knocking the door. I had never expect to receive any auto parts that fast.I mean Super Fast!
P.S i am not affiliated to rmeuropean in anyways Just a very very happy customer.
ATF 4134
Part Number: 001-989-68-03-10 / 001989680310
Manufacturer: FUCHS
List Price $15.00
Your Price $11.64
You Save $3.36 - 22%
I had never expect to receive any auto parts that fast.I mean Super Fast!P.S i am not affiliated to rmeuropean in anyways Just a very very happy customer.
ATF 4134
Part Number: 001-989-68-03-10 / 001989680310
Manufacturer: FUCHS
List Price $15.00
Your Price $11.64
You Save $3.36 - 22%
3353 (#A 001 989 45 03 13) fluid. You and I have the same trans. Why did you pic the ATF 4134?
05-13-2009, 11:58 AM
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My 07 C230 did the same thing when I 1st got it. Just take it to the dealer for a flash update and it should fix that problem. You're right that is a very common problem, but has been fixed by software. With the flash you have to be COMPLETELY stopped before it will shift down to 1st.
05-14-2009, 05:14 PM
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I just bought my fluid. Paid $15 a quart, plus tax....blech.
I have some two old quarts of the usuall stuff. So Friday, I'll do a flush. Hopefully it cures the transmissions rough shifts in the a.m.
Ed
I have some two old quarts of the usuall stuff. So Friday, I'll do a flush. Hopefully it cures the transmissions rough shifts in the a.m.
Ed
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Another update.
ATF package arrived today
. Going to flush tranny this weekend.Here are some pictures. Please point me if there is anything (tools/parts) else needed to flush tranny.
722.6 Transmission dipstick
Fuchs TITAN ATF 4134
MicroTemp Digital IR Thermometer
Splinter thank you for your offer. I am too lazy to drive 55 miles down to Hermosa Beach. ( i am at chino hills area) .So i got my own dip stick and Thermometer ( which i can use it to tune up my nitro RC car later.)
ELRING Oil Filter Kit Contains: transmission pan gasket.filter and Seals
Drain Plug, Lock pin along with seals.
TCU connecter plug
And an oil filter. After flush tranny,i am going to do a oil change as well. little tune up for summer time.
Am i missing anything?
Yeah..Some Ice Cold Beer. I cant wait to flush the transmission. Will let you guys know how does the ATF4134 feel in 722.6 5-speed.
ATF package arrived today
. Going to flush tranny this weekend.Here are some pictures. Please point me if there is anything (tools/parts) else needed to flush tranny. 722.6 Transmission dipstick
Fuchs TITAN ATF 4134
MicroTemp Digital IR Thermometer
Splinter thank you for your offer. I am too lazy to drive 55 miles down to Hermosa Beach. ( i am at chino hills area) .So i got my own dip stick and Thermometer ( which i can use it to tune up my nitro RC car later.)
ELRING Oil Filter Kit Contains: transmission pan gasket.filter and Seals
Drain Plug, Lock pin along with seals.
TCU connecter plug
And an oil filter. After flush tranny,i am going to do a oil change as well. little tune up for summer time.
Am i missing anything?
Yeah..Some Ice Cold Beer
. I cant wait to flush the transmission. Will let you guys know how does the ATF4134 feel in 722.6 5-speed.
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You already posted up pics...You dog. I had taken a pic of the Fuchs bottle too. Feels really weird to be putting something in my car that is not MB labeled. I have always taken great pride in using only Genuine MB parts. Except for my K&N....Oops, don't want that debate.
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