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09-03-2010, 10:43 AM
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I stayed out of this thread for a while, but there is a lot of things to be addressed.
1st, I don't mean to be an *** towards the original poster, but does ANYONE read their freakin manual?!?! All the questions of what services needs to be done when is spelled out in there exactly. There is also a list of approved fluids. If you for some reason you don't have your manuals, they are available for download at mbusa.com
The OP also has a 2003 model and can use an oil that is 229.3 or 229.5 spec as Eric has tried to point out several times. 229.5 spec is NOT required for his car, but it is not a bad idea to use a 229.5 spec oil.
To PCY. I can't for the life of me understand why there are so many dealers using the WRONG spec oil?!?! There is NO approved 229.5 oil that is a 5W-40. Your 2007 W203 requires a 229.5 oil. So your dealer is using the wrong oil in your car. They are using the 229.51 spec oil that is for diesels, and it DOES NOT supersede 229.5. It is a totally different spec for diesels engines. So, next time you get an oil change, tell them to use the proper M1 0W-40 229.5 spec oil, not the M1 5W-40 ESP.
Glyn has a great thread that states what oils are approved. If the oil is not on that list it is NOT approved. Please read his thread here: https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...ments-usa.html
1st, I don't mean to be an *** towards the original poster, but does ANYONE read their freakin manual?!?! All the questions of what services needs to be done when is spelled out in there exactly. There is also a list of approved fluids. If you for some reason you don't have your manuals, they are available for download at mbusa.com
The OP also has a 2003 model and can use an oil that is 229.3 or 229.5 spec as Eric has tried to point out several times. 229.5 spec is NOT required for his car, but it is not a bad idea to use a 229.5 spec oil.
To PCY. I can't for the life of me understand why there are so many dealers using the WRONG spec oil?!?! There is NO approved 229.5 oil that is a 5W-40. Your 2007 W203 requires a 229.5 oil. So your dealer is using the wrong oil in your car. They are using the 229.51 spec oil that is for diesels, and it DOES NOT supersede 229.5. It is a totally different spec for diesels engines. So, next time you get an oil change, tell them to use the proper M1 0W-40 229.5 spec oil, not the M1 5W-40 ESP.
Glyn has a great thread that states what oils are approved. If the oil is not on that list it is NOT approved. Please read his thread here: https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...ments-usa.html
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09-03-2010, 10:56 AM
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John, I understand what you said.
I don't understand why MB dealer (Haverhill, MA) would put in wrong type of oil while the customer is paying for whatever they are charging. To make it worse, the service manager asserted that the type of oil they are using is recommended by MB. When the service manager says that, I couldn't argue with him.
I learned my lesson, I will find 0W-40 and replace the oil in my car myself.
I don't understand why MB dealer (Haverhill, MA) would put in wrong type of oil while the customer is paying for whatever they are charging. To make it worse, the service manager asserted that the type of oil they are using is recommended by MB. When the service manager says that, I couldn't argue with him.
I learned my lesson, I will find 0W-40 and replace the oil in my car myself.
09-03-2010, 11:08 AM
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John, I understand what you said.
I don't understand why MB dealer (Haverhill, MA) would put in wrong type of oil while the customer is paying for whatever they are charging. To make it worse, the service manager asserted that the type of oil they are using is recommended by MB. When the service manager says that, I couldn't argue with him.
I learned my lesson, I will find 0W-40 and replace the oil in my car myself.
I don't understand why MB dealer (Haverhill, MA) would put in wrong type of oil while the customer is paying for whatever they are charging. To make it worse, the service manager asserted that the type of oil they are using is recommended by MB. When the service manager says that, I couldn't argue with him.
I learned my lesson, I will find 0W-40 and replace the oil in my car myself.
It is simple why your dealer, and many others use the 5W-40 229.51 spec oil in 229.5 spec cars. They rather carry 1 oil to use in all cars vs. 2. I think the problem stems from MB using a spec number so similar for gas and diesel. Dealers have some how got in their head 229.51 spec is the spec that supersedes 229.5. If MB had a spec of say 229.5 for gas and 231.5 for diesel or something they probably wouldn't get mixed up.
Frankly it is no surprise your service manager told you that. It is a RARE occasion when a service advisor or service manager, has ANY technical knowledge of the cars their techs work on.
09-03-2010, 10:10 PM
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I too have remained out of this thread because the subject has been covered so often before.
229.5 & 229.51 oils are mutually exclusive in application by design by Benz. Benz control this on ash level which is an indication of how much additive is in the oil. A 229.5 oil has between 16 & 20% additive in it dependent on formulation & quality of synthetic base oil used.
229.51 = < 0.8% ash for PC diesel engines with Cat & particulate filter
229.5 = > 0.8% ash & typically around 1.5% for gasoline engines
Mobil's SAE 5W-40 does not pass HTHS (High Temperature High Shear) for gasoline engines
While 229.3 oil is specified for 2003 cars that was only the case because the 229.5 spec had not been written at that time. If you are changing at 13,000 miles or 20,000 Km you had better use 229.5 oils if you know what's good for your engine. 229.3 oils will battle at this drain interval. The only reason we can go long drain is superior lubricant life/quality, superior filtration & large sumps so the oil charge is less stressed.
In what Benz call "torrid zones" like South Africa they recommend 15,000 Km drain intervals on 229.5 oils or 9000 miles. A lot of the US is just as "torrid" as SA.
I change my oil (229.5) & fleece filter at 15,000Km (9000 miles) per the service indicator on our South African cars.
SM's & SA's are generally ignorant. MBUSA really needs to kick a few dealer's butts. Benz own most of their dealerships in SA but if a third party dealer did not use the approved oil here Benz would reject all engine or whatever claims under warranty.
229.5 & 229.51 oils are mutually exclusive in application by design by Benz. Benz control this on ash level which is an indication of how much additive is in the oil. A 229.5 oil has between 16 & 20% additive in it dependent on formulation & quality of synthetic base oil used.
229.51 = < 0.8% ash for PC diesel engines with Cat & particulate filter
229.5 = > 0.8% ash & typically around 1.5% for gasoline engines
Mobil's SAE 5W-40 does not pass HTHS (High Temperature High Shear) for gasoline engines
While 229.3 oil is specified for 2003 cars that was only the case because the 229.5 spec had not been written at that time. If you are changing at 13,000 miles or 20,000 Km you had better use 229.5 oils if you know what's good for your engine. 229.3 oils will battle at this drain interval. The only reason we can go long drain is superior lubricant life/quality, superior filtration & large sumps so the oil charge is less stressed.
In what Benz call "torrid zones" like South Africa they recommend 15,000 Km drain intervals on 229.5 oils or 9000 miles. A lot of the US is just as "torrid" as SA.
I change my oil (229.5) & fleece filter at 15,000Km (9000 miles) per the service indicator on our South African cars.
SM's & SA's are generally ignorant. MBUSA really needs to kick a few dealer's butts. Benz own most of their dealerships in SA but if a third party dealer did not use the approved oil here Benz would reject all engine or whatever claims under warranty.
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09-03-2010, 11:15 PM
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I too have remained out of this thread because the subject has been covered so often before.
229.5 & 229.51 oils are mutually exclusive in application by design by Benz. Benz control this on ash level which is an indication of how much additive is in the oil. A 229.5 oil has between 16 & 20% additive in it dependent on formulation & quality of synthetic base oil used.
229.51 = < 0.8% ash for PC diesel engines with Cat & particulate filter
229.5 = > 0.8% ash & typically around 1.6% for gasoline engines
Mobil's SAE 5W-40 does not pass HTHS (High Temperature High Shear) for gasoline engines
While 229.3 oil is specified for 2003 cars that was only the case because the 229.5 spec had not been written at that time. If you are changing at 13,000 miles or 20,000 Km you had better use 229.5 oils if you know what's good for your engine. 229.3 oils will battle at this drain interval. The only reason we can go long drain is superior lubricant life/quality, superior filtration & large sumps so the oil charge is less stressed.
In what Benz call "torrid zones" like South Africa they recommend 15,000 Km drain intervals on 229.5 oils or 9000 miles. A lot of the US is just as "torrid" as SA.
I change my oil (229.5) & fleece filter at 15,000Km (9000 miles) per the service indicator on our South African cars.
SM's & SA's are generally ignorant. MBUSA really needs to kick a few dealer's butts. Benz own most of their dealerships in SA but if a third party dealer did not use the approved oil here Benz would reject all engine or whatever claims under warranty.
229.5 & 229.51 oils are mutually exclusive in application by design by Benz. Benz control this on ash level which is an indication of how much additive is in the oil. A 229.5 oil has between 16 & 20% additive in it dependent on formulation & quality of synthetic base oil used.
229.51 = < 0.8% ash for PC diesel engines with Cat & particulate filter
229.5 = > 0.8% ash & typically around 1.6% for gasoline engines
Mobil's SAE 5W-40 does not pass HTHS (High Temperature High Shear) for gasoline engines
While 229.3 oil is specified for 2003 cars that was only the case because the 229.5 spec had not been written at that time. If you are changing at 13,000 miles or 20,000 Km you had better use 229.5 oils if you know what's good for your engine. 229.3 oils will battle at this drain interval. The only reason we can go long drain is superior lubricant life/quality, superior filtration & large sumps so the oil charge is less stressed.
In what Benz call "torrid zones" like South Africa they recommend 15,000 Km drain intervals on 229.5 oils or 9000 miles. A lot of the US is just as "torrid" as SA.
I change my oil (229.5) & fleece filter at 15,000Km (9000 miles) per the service indicator on our South African cars.
SM's & SA's are generally ignorant. MBUSA really needs to kick a few dealer's butts. Benz own most of their dealerships in SA but if a third party dealer did not use the approved oil here Benz would reject all engine or whatever claims under warranty.
My dealer uses the 229.51 oil in gas and diesels.
I wrote MBUSA corporate about this. They told me they know they do this, and it is fine. They say there is no harm in using the 229.51 in a gas engine. They say it's for simplicity.
If that is true, I do not know. However, this was very high up at MBUSA corporate.
They told me they were 100 percent aware of dealers using the European Formula M 5w40 229.51 spec in the gasoline cars. They even called it backwards compatible I think. Go figure.
I was VERY concerned about this, but MBUSA's assurance was so certain. Don't know what to do really, but I doubt a good synthetic like the 229.51 is going to harm the car.
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09-03-2010, 11:26 PM
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Whether it will harm it or not, I prefer to use what my car calls for specifically. I see no reason to tamper with it when the 229.5 oil is so widely available.
09-03-2010, 11:42 PM
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When going to the dealer, it just sucks a bit to haul in your own oil. I feel as though they think you're a weirdo and then the automatic machine doesn't dispense it.
I think in conclusion we can say it is frustrating the dealers can't just use the specific oil in each car and save us all the worry.
A lot of dealers are using non-Mobil oils now too.
I know some that use a Shell/Penzoil product. I believe one uses Valvoline I know about. There is actually a pretty long list that meets the 229.5 spec especially when you mix in oils available in Europe.
09-04-2010, 12:16 AM
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I buy the filter and my own oil and the local Nissan dealership does the labor of changing it for $9.75. They have since I've owned it. So I always end up with the correct oil.
09-04-2010, 06:37 AM
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My dealer uses the 229.51 oil in gas and diesels.
I wrote MBUSA corporate about this. They told me they know they do this, and it is fine. They say there is no harm in using the 229.51 in a gas engine. They say it's for simplicity.
If that is true, I do not know. However, this was very high up at MBUSA corporate.
They told me they were 100 percent aware of dealers using the European Formula M 5w40 229.51 spec in the gasoline cars. They even called it backwards compatible I think. Go figure.
I was VERY concerned about this, but MBUSA's assurance was so certain. Don't know what to do really, but I doubt a good synthetic like the 229.51 is going to harm the car.
I wrote MBUSA corporate about this. They told me they know they do this, and it is fine. They say there is no harm in using the 229.51 in a gas engine. They say it's for simplicity.
If that is true, I do not know. However, this was very high up at MBUSA corporate.
They told me they were 100 percent aware of dealers using the European Formula M 5w40 229.51 spec in the gasoline cars. They even called it backwards compatible I think. Go figure.
I was VERY concerned about this, but MBUSA's assurance was so certain. Don't know what to do really, but I doubt a good synthetic like the 229.51 is going to harm the car.
A 229.51 oil in a gasoline engine cannot provide the critical cam & tappet protection of a 229.5 product & will almost certainly fall over before reaching 13,000 miles in a few critical areas.
A 229.51 oil by definition & in simple terms has less additive in it than a 229.5 product.
This is the same MBUSA throwaway mentality that suggested that the 722.9 7G transmission was filled for life when ROW was changing every 60,000 KM or 37,000 miles. It was filled for life in the US - a short & troublesome life. MBUSA had to backtrack very quickly on that one because transmissions were failing under warranty. After warranty they obviously don't care.
Stuttgart needs to give MBUSA a stiff talking to. They are bad for the Brand values.
09-04-2010, 06:52 AM
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I won't - I just would not use the product. A few formulations did slip through before the ban & ash clamping. Responsible companies like ours reformulated to two distinct & very different formulations in the spirit of what Benz was trying to achieve & an innate philosophy of exceeding specifications rather than just scraping through with borderline chemistry. All engine oils are not equal.
09-05-2010, 04:01 PM
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I stayed out of this thread for a while, but there is a lot of things to be addressed.
1st, I don't mean to be an *** towards the original poster, but does ANYONE read their freakin manual?!?! All the questions of what services needs to be done when is spelled out in there exactly. There is also a list of approved fluids. If you for some reason you don't have your manuals, they are available for download at mbusa.com
The OP also has a 2003 model and can use an oil that is 229.3 or 229.5 spec as Eric has tried to point out several times. 229.5 spec is NOT required for his car, but it is not a bad idea to use a 229.5 spec oil.
To PCY. I can't for the life of me understand why there are so many dealers using the WRONG spec oil?!?! There is NO approved 229.5 oil that is a 5W-40. Your 2007 W203 requires a 229.5 oil. So your dealer is using the wrong oil in your car. They are using the 229.51 spec oil that is for diesels, and it DOES NOT supersede 229.5. It is a totally different spec for diesels engines. So, next time you get an oil change, tell them to use the proper M1 0W-40 229.5 spec oil, not the M1 5W-40 ESP.
Glyn has a great thread that states what oils are approved. If the oil is not on that list it is NOT approved. Please read his thread here: https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...ments-usa.html
1st, I don't mean to be an *** towards the original poster, but does ANYONE read their freakin manual?!?! All the questions of what services needs to be done when is spelled out in there exactly. There is also a list of approved fluids. If you for some reason you don't have your manuals, they are available for download at mbusa.com
The OP also has a 2003 model and can use an oil that is 229.3 or 229.5 spec as Eric has tried to point out several times. 229.5 spec is NOT required for his car, but it is not a bad idea to use a 229.5 spec oil.
To PCY. I can't for the life of me understand why there are so many dealers using the WRONG spec oil?!?! There is NO approved 229.5 oil that is a 5W-40. Your 2007 W203 requires a 229.5 oil. So your dealer is using the wrong oil in your car. They are using the 229.51 spec oil that is for diesels, and it DOES NOT supersede 229.5. It is a totally different spec for diesels engines. So, next time you get an oil change, tell them to use the proper M1 0W-40 229.5 spec oil, not the M1 5W-40 ESP.
Glyn has a great thread that states what oils are approved. If the oil is not on that list it is NOT approved. Please read his thread here: https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...ments-usa.html
I'm sorry to rain on your parade but on the Daimler Spec Sheet 2229.5 the Mobil Formula M 5W40 is listed as an approved oil. It would be only a factor of where it's used due to the non artic minimum operative SAE temp.
However, under Castrol I did not find any 5W40 listed, though there are quite a few from other brands.
As for whether to use the original spec or a superseding one: motor oil is the least expensive part that can go in the car for the tremendous service that renders; therefore, I use the best progress has brought us (namely one made to the most recent spec). This, without confusing between 229.5 (gasoline engines) and 229.51 (diesel engines) which are not compatible unless listed by MB in each spec due to the different needs for sulfur between the two kind of engines.
It also beats the heck out of me that dealers do not use for servicing the most recommended product many times. My car came with an Esso decal with a Mercedes recommendation in the back window. The dealer uses Valvoline. So I don't visit them except for warranty issues, and prefer to do everything under my supervision.
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09-05-2010, 06:02 PM
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johnand:
I'm sorry to rain on your parade but on the Daimler Spec Sheet 2229.5 the Mobil Formula M 5W40 is listed as an approved oil. It would be only a factor of where it's used due to the non artic minimum operative SAE temp.
However, under Castrol I did not find any 5W40 listed, though there are quite a few from other brands.
I'm sorry to rain on your parade but on the Daimler Spec Sheet 2229.5 the Mobil Formula M 5W40 is listed as an approved oil. It would be only a factor of where it's used due to the non artic minimum operative SAE temp.
However, under Castrol I did not find any 5W40 listed, though there are quite a few from other brands.
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09-05-2010, 06:59 PM
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JoeVal has the happy knack of talking crap on these forums & has a long history of this. His sulphur comments are also inappropriate in these circumstances. Yes diesel fuel has a higher sulphur content than gasoline but TBN is not at issue here. The gasoline formulation 229.5 product is not lacking in TBN.
Mobil indeed have a listing for their Formula M 5W-40 but NOT THE ESP version. Mobil's nomenclature can be confusing & I doubt that the approved version listed is available in the US. It is really a Europen product
SAE 5W-40's can meet 229.5 as long as they pass HTHS. In fact our latest Texaco/Caltex Havoline Ultra BM & it's Chevron equivalent are available as a 5W-40 (They are recently approved and not even listed yet. The listing still covers our older formulations)
Mobil 1 Euro formulation 0W-40 remains the most commonly available 229.5 product in the US market.
Here is the latest approved products listing
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...d-products.pdf
Mobil indeed have a listing for their Formula M 5W-40 but NOT THE ESP version. Mobil's nomenclature can be confusing & I doubt that the approved version listed is available in the US. It is really a Europen product
SAE 5W-40's can meet 229.5 as long as they pass HTHS. In fact our latest Texaco/Caltex Havoline Ultra BM & it's Chevron equivalent are available as a 5W-40 (They are recently approved and not even listed yet. The listing still covers our older formulations)
Mobil 1 Euro formulation 0W-40 remains the most commonly available 229.5 product in the US market.
Here is the latest approved products listing
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...d-products.pdf
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09-07-2010, 01:04 AM
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MBUSA is talking crap. Stuttgart has specifically banned the oil industry from claiming that the same formulation meets 229.5 & 229.51 & imposed the ash clamping limit. That had all of us running around to introduce new formulations. 229.5 is backward compatible to 229.3. As 229.51 is backward compatible to 229.31.
A 229.51 oil in a gasoline engine cannot provide the critical cam & tappet protection of a 229.5 product & will almost certainly fall over before reaching 13,000 miles in a few critical areas.
A 229.51 oil by definition & in simple terms has less additive in it than a 229.5 product.
This is the same MBUSA throwaway mentality that suggested that the 722.9 7G transmission was filled for life when ROW was changing every 60,000 KM or 37,000 miles. It was filled for life in the US - a short & troublesome life. MBUSA had to backtrack very quickly on that one because transmissions were failing under warranty. After warranty they obviously don't care.
Stuttgart needs to give MBUSA a stiff talking to. They are bad for the Brand values.
A 229.51 oil in a gasoline engine cannot provide the critical cam & tappet protection of a 229.5 product & will almost certainly fall over before reaching 13,000 miles in a few critical areas.
A 229.51 oil by definition & in simple terms has less additive in it than a 229.5 product.
This is the same MBUSA throwaway mentality that suggested that the 722.9 7G transmission was filled for life when ROW was changing every 60,000 KM or 37,000 miles. It was filled for life in the US - a short & troublesome life. MBUSA had to backtrack very quickly on that one because transmissions were failing under warranty. After warranty they obviously don't care.
Stuttgart needs to give MBUSA a stiff talking to. They are bad for the Brand values.
Thank you for those details.
I've had my C receive 229.51 TWICE at service now, and my SLK receive 229.51 once.
Do you think my engines will be ok?
Thanks for the heads up. Can't believe the executives give you bad info like that.
09-07-2010, 06:34 AM
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Yes - your engines will be OK. Persistent use of the wrong product would show itself at very high mileage with valve gear becoming noisy. One swallow doesn't make a spring. Engines are tougher than that.
All my recommendations are based around achieving maximum trouble free life out of your vehicle.
All my recommendations are based around achieving maximum trouble free life out of your vehicle.
09-07-2010, 08:59 AM
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Valvoline says it has a few that meet 229.5 spec.
http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/SynPower.pdf
Castrol says its 0w30 meets it and so does Quaker State 5w-40
As well as Pennzoil ultra 5w-40 http://www.pennzoil.com/documents/PE...ropean5W40.pdf
I still stick with Mobile one 0w-40 myself.
http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/SynPower.pdf
Castrol says its 0w30 meets it and so does Quaker State 5w-40
As well as Pennzoil ultra 5w-40 http://www.pennzoil.com/documents/PE...ropean5W40.pdf
I still stick with Mobile one 0w-40 myself.
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Yes - your engines will be OK. Persistent use of the wrong product would show itself at very high mileage with valve gear becoming noisy. One swallow doesn't make a spring. Engines are tougher than that.
All my recommendations are based around achieving maximum trouble free life out of your vehicle.
All my recommendations are based around achieving maximum trouble free life out of your vehicle.
I'll carry in my own 0w40 Mobil 1 now. Now let's hope they don't overfill it, since they'll have to do it manually rather than the machine.
09-07-2010, 11:52 AM
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Valvoline says it has a few that meet 229.5 spec.
http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/SynPower.pdf
Castrol says its 0w30 meets it and so does Quaker State 5w-40
As well as Pennzoil ultra 5w-40 http://www.pennzoil.com/documents/PE...ropean5W40.pdf
I still stick with Mobile one 0w-40 myself.
http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/SynPower.pdf
Castrol says its 0w30 meets it and so does Quaker State 5w-40
As well as Pennzoil ultra 5w-40 http://www.pennzoil.com/documents/PE...ropean5W40.pdf
I still stick with Mobile one 0w-40 myself.
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...d-products.pdf
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As I said above.
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...d-products.pdf
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...d-products.pdf
09-07-2010, 12:08 PM
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Correct - a mistake. You should note that many 5W-40's fail HTHS which makes me suspicious of the base oil some companies use. A 5W-40 has less VI improver in it than a 0W-40 which should make HTHS easier to pass. That's why my heritage company formulates at 5W-40 & not 0W-40
Mobil use excellent base oils to formulate their 0W-40 but I have seen it shear out of grade in some hard worked samples. They are the opposition but they do a good honest job.
EDIT - most Mobil 1 5W-40's sold on the American market have not been their European products & don't pass HTHS.
Mobil use excellent base oils to formulate their 0W-40 but I have seen it shear out of grade in some hard worked samples. They are the opposition but they do a good honest job.
EDIT - most Mobil 1 5W-40's sold on the American market have not been their European products & don't pass HTHS.
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Correct - a mistake. You should note that many 5W-40's fail HTHS which makes me suspicious of the base oil some companies use. A 5W-40 has less VI improver in it than a 0W-40 which should make HTHS easier to pass. That's why my heritage company formulates at 5W-40 & not 0W-40
Mobil use excellent base oils to formulate their 0W-40 but I have seen it shear out of grade in some hard worked samples. They are the opposition but they do a good honest job.
EDIT - most Mobil 1 5W-40's sold on the American market have not been their European products & don't pass HTHS.
Mobil use excellent base oils to formulate their 0W-40 but I have seen it shear out of grade in some hard worked samples. They are the opposition but they do a good honest job.
EDIT - most Mobil 1 5W-40's sold on the American market have not been their European products & don't pass HTHS.
