Ghostrider@P1 Performance

Here we go!!! Attached you will find a picture of the new end and a picture of the complete kit with the old ends.

Kit Price: $180 shipped to the lower 48 states.

Includes:

(2) Aluminum Hex Rods
(4) Squeak Free (SqF) Ends
(4) Lock Nuts

The SqF Ends can be sold separately for those that have other kits.

W201 Chassis
190E 2.3 2.6 190D 2.2 2.5 Turbo 16V 84-93

W124 Chassis
300E/CE/TE 260E 300D 300D-Trb 300TD & Turbo 400E 500E E420 E500 E320 86-95 Sedan Coupe Cabriolet Wagon & 4-Mtcs

W202 Chassis
C220 C230 C280 C36 AMG C43 AMG 94-02

W203 Chassis
C230K C240 C32 AMG C55 AMG 03-06

W129 Chassis
300SL 500SL 600SL SL320 SL500 SL600 Convertible 90-02

W208 Chassis
CLK320 CLK430 CLK55 AMG 98-03 Coupe and Cabriolet

W210 Chassis
E320 E420 E430 E55 AMG 98-02 Sedan and Wagon

W209 Chassis
CLK320 CLK500 CLK55 AMG 03-05 Coupe Cabriolet

R170 Chassis
SLK230 SLK320 SLK32 AMG

Please let me know if you are interested in a kit or just the ends:

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phister

will this fit the w203 c230 non k? Im assuming it does since the chasis is the same. if so I'll take one

Ghostrider@P1 Performance

Yes, it does!! Shoot me a pm and we will work out the details.

Xhale707

Ehh?? how come ur camber kit looks like u put it together at home depot..
Whats the difference between urs and TOP SPEED PRO-1? Price is only 30 bucks apart. Besides the quality being way different??

W203E35

Home Depot...That's classic

Ghostrider@P1 Performance

Well, I can't speak to their kit. My kits value function over form, and at the end of the day its all about keeping money in our pockets. That goes for camber kits, tires and anything else in our day to day life.

I don't understand the part about quality though. The rod ends were rated for radial loads of 17,995 pounds and the spacers were CNC machined. Here are more stats on the rod ends

BALL

52100 BEARING STEEL
PRECISION GROUND
HEAT TREATED
HARD CHROME PLATED

RACE

INJECTION
MOLDED
NYLAFIBER
MATRIX

BODY

4130 CHROMOLY STEEL
HEAT TREATED

CHROME PLATED

cpbeasley

PMing you.

Ghostrider@P1 Performance

You have a reply!!

Xhale707

Well its true? Im not trying to be mean or flame. But i don't see 180 dollars worth of anything here.

Ghostrider@P1 Performance

That's cool, but what are you basing your assesment on? This is the least expensive kit on the market and very well made.

More importantly, its the exact same one that I have on my car.

cpbeasley

I don't know anything about camber kits, but what are you basing your assesment on, X?

It seems that you're only saying that bc the 3 pieces aren't put together and it isn't painted hot teal or purple?

Xhale707

Its the least expensive kit by 30 dollars. Your home made rear camber kit looks like it was machined in less then 30 mins.

Just look again at the top speed quality bushings.



Take a bill off the price and im sure you would see a lot more ppl. At that price ill just go whats been on the market for a while.

cpbeasley

Just because it's the cheapest, doesn't mean the raw materials cost any less to produce, or is any of less quality than the competition.

His bushing looks heavy duty compared to that sky blue thing.

fookoo303

there are no bushings in the camber arm. Its a ball joint at the end. I have a set myself from a different company and the design is practically identical. i actually prefer the design that ghostrider is selling, mainly because adjustments can easily be made since the entire body is shaped for the wrench to fit, not just the ends.

Ghostrider@P1 Performance

It's ok, if someone wants to pay extra for a pretty color that's on them.

Ghostrider@P1 Performance

Thank you. I've been down that road with the rod ends, and they are just not made for daily use. I'm not sure, but he must have missed the part about that being the old kit.

phister

Its all about functionality to me. At least he's progressing in trying to improve the product by listening to his customers and fixing the concerns or complaints ie the squeaky bushings from the old kit.

phister

Ill post my review once he sends me my kit. Keep up the work at least we have people out here trying to make products for our cars that don't cost an arm and a leg.

ncmudbug

I think if you want to compare quality, you need to compare the specs on the rod ends on both kits. The picture isn't clear, but it looks like they could be rubber isolation type rod ends where Ghostrider's are spherical rod ends.

Spherical rod ends are more precise (they are what are used in race cars), but some say they are prone to wear from dust and grit - I hope not because that's what I have on my Lotus! Others say that the compression pre-load fit between the the ball and the race tends to wipe the grit away so it doesn't get to wear it out. Again, rod ends vary quite a bit from brand to brand and applications within the brands. Higher load rating generally translates to higher pre-load and thus tighter fit between the race and ball. Some people who are really worried about grit getting between the ball and the race wrap the joint with tape. I've also seen rubber boots.

The rubber isolation type rod end would absorb shock and vibration a bit better, though I don't notice any adverse effects from them on my Lotus. Like any rubber joint, the rubber can degrade from from use and then the question becomes, can you get more of them? I have seen joints like this from third party vendors, but the spherical rod ends are easier to find (for me, at least - though I've never looked for metric sizes).

I am not saying this is the case here, but sometimes the manufacturer will make their product prettier instead of making it better (it's cheaper to dress it up than make it better). Also, consider that it will be under the car and you'll never see it - and even if you do, it's unlikely that many other people will!

Just to look at the pictures of both kits, I don't see anything to suggest that either of them are made cheaply, they just took a slightly different approach. It all depends on the relative quality of the rod ends.

Ghostrider@P1 Performance

The best thing about this is, by listening to the members, I was able to make the cost come down on this product. Making it a better product at a cheaper price, now that's what I call a win-win!!

Ghostrider@P1 Performance

You are so very correct in your assessment and that's why I went away from the rod ends all together. They were just not well suited for the rigors of day-to-day driving.

How much do you drive your Lotus?

cpbeasley

It's all coming back to me now. I'm still not suspension guru, however this was a big deal on the LSx forums when I was carrying my 2002 Camaro SS into ominpotence, rod ends were reserved for those with drag/track car duty. If you wanted to use them with a street/strip app, be prepared to replace more than you'd like as well as suffer some poorer ride quality.

I'm anxious to meet up with you Ghost, sounds like I've found a local and sane MB nut (a little counterintuitive but the best of us are at times

Ghostrider@P1 Performance

As am I!! Our local MBCA chapter meets on the first Saturday of the month at First Watch on Shawnee Mission Pkway. You and the Mrs. should come out!

cpbeasley

Literally we miss having it this weekend by two days, huh? That stinks, oh well, I'll at least be there the following week, thanks for the invite. I'll probably go to see my folks this Saturday now that I think about it. Using his shop to install the new projector headlamps.
Anywa, I love first watch even if they are pretty proud of their eggs and toast
I've only been to the one in Westport, where exactly it is on SMP? Perfect location for me too, 15 mins away at best.
Do you want to plan on bringing the camber kit at that time for the exchange?

C230 Sport Coup

Can I get them in blue? he he he.....