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C230 Sport Coup + 2006 W164 ML350 + 99 Ford Escort (What the heck, it gets 38 mpg!)
Sumitomo HTR A/S P02 W Speed rated, anyone use them?
Just looking for opinions on Sumitomo HTR A/S P02 W Speed rated tires.
My car is getting long in the tooth and
I no longer feel the need to get the stickiest tires etc.
Just something comfortable, good quality, not chinese junk, with a relatively long tread life that doesn't growl like the rear diff is going out.
Looks like a decent tires from the tests. The Firestone Firehawk tire was an okay tire.
It did well in the snow tests. That's super important for So Cal.
Fwiw, imho, people that have clue always run dedicated snow tires. Imho, not having a Blizzak, or one of the lesser "clones", makes it "interesting" when a car tries to stop with the ice built up overnight at the neighborhood intersections with stop signs. Add in "no such thing as flat or level" in most of New England, and it makes skydiving without a parachute look safer. :-O
Fun, fun, fun - NOT!!
EPIC! Crazy Car Pileup in Montreal. Bus Police and Snowplow!
Don't have my C230 anymore but when I bought it the tires were Sumitomo (don't remember the exact one) and within 20K the tires were almost down to the wear indicators (and I'm a conservative driver). I replaced with Hankook Ventus Noble 1 S2 which I liked a lot better.
Just replaced the tires on my C300 with the new General Ultra High Performance (AS5 I think?) and so far I've been very happy with them.
C230 Sport Coup + 2006 W164 ML350 + 99 Ford Escort (What the heck, it gets 38 mpg!)
I usually run summer tires, but tired of changing tires more often than the oil.
Have Michelin's on there now.
I had some Sumi's once before, but they were THE stickiest ones they made, lasted 5K miles, so
not comparing apples with apples does little to answer the question on this specific tire.
Well, I ordered them.
$286 including shipping from
seller carshoez on ebay in FL and I'm in Cali.
Saw later I coulda had 'em from Amazon Prime for the same price in 2 days...
oh well. Not a problem. They'll be here in a week.
Found a place to install for $15 a pop closeby.
So, under $350 right out the door.
Local tires shops wanted over $500.
My tires are so bad now, I only drive on surface streets and not over 35mph.
It will be soooo nice to have them replaced.
Now knock on wood nothing breaks on the car if I start driving it again
on a regular basis.Recently had to replace shifter, MAF, and
supercharger air valve/ throttle body, woulda been hella expensivo if I hadn't found
cars at pick and pull to rob parts from. MAF is new though.
The other 2 parts woulda cost like 2 grand combined
new. Crazy. Only problem with picknpull is getting there 1st.
Last edited by C230 Sport Coup; 10-05-2017 at 04:16 PM.
I have the Ohtsu fp7000 on my c320 in 205/55r16. I just installed them a couple of months ago. They are very good, it's actually my 3rd set. I've used them on my other cars prior to this one. They were originally marketed as falken sn828 several years ago. I paid $184 for a set shipped to my door through eBay.
C230 Sport Coup + 2006 W164 ML350 + 99 Ford Escort (What the heck, it gets 38 mpg!)
Is rhat an Orion Blue wagon?
😀
Too bad you can't do a decibel test on the noise. That seems to be the main complaint and that they don't last as long as other tires. My Sumi's showed up getting them installed today
Originally Posted by tjts1
I have the Ohtsu fp7000 on my c320 in 205/55r16. I just installed them a couple of months ago. They are very good, it's actually my 3rd set. I've used them on my other cars prior to this one. They were originally marketed as falken sn828 several years ago. I paid $184 for a set shipped to my door through eBay.
C230 Sport Coup + 2006 W164 ML350 + 99 Ford Escort (What the heck, it gets 38 mpg!)
Tires are installed and so far I love them.
No excessive noise. Aal four wheels are balanced no shaking no trammeling. tracking well.
With that radical tread pattern that is designed to give some snow traction I felt certain that the noise level would be intolerable but it's actually just fine. Got the car all the way up to 90 miles an hour with no unusual noises or vibrations.
By contrast I once had a set of Continental extreme contact all season tires that when you got around 70 to 80 miles an hour they made a terrible howl. kudos to Sumitomo. These replaced Michelin Pilot Sport Super Sports and I don't miss them at all.
I have Sumitomos on my 2005 Sedan - they were on the car when I bought it. The right rear tire had uneven wear due to a poor alignment and it was one of the negotiating points for a price reduction. I was originally planning to replace the rear tires with a couple of more Sumitomos.
I did some research and the best review I could find that included a side-by-side comparison was in the January 2017 Consumer Reports. The Sumitomos appear to be the best cost option of the tires they rated, but they did not rank as highly on snow and ice as the higher-rated and significantly higher-priced brands.
Most years, my area has two or three snow storms and the snow removal crews may not clear the residential areas for several days. I need to plan for winter weather. After weighing my options, I decided to buy Michelin Pilot Sport AS-3's because of their higher score on snow and ice. I paid $582 on sale at Costco. It will be a few days before I can have them installed and a few months before our first winter storm, so I don't have any real world experience. Your cost of $350 for the Sumitomos is a significant saving assuming the coupes use the same tire size as the sedans.
I would have liked to save over $200, but I was concerned that I might regret my frugality from the side of an icy road.
C230 Sport Coup + 2006 W164 ML350 + 99 Ford Escort (What the heck, it gets 38 mpg!)
I wouldn't take my car on the snow no matter what, so for me at least that was never an issue.
Took them up a windy mountain road the other day and they really grabbed.
Turn in to corners is strong. Has some Generals once that were like the #1 tire on TireRack that you'd turn the wheel...and just kinda wait.
I imagine the old Michelin Super Sports I had would stick better, but then I'd be
peeling my face off the side window...they were like race tires...I don't need that.
Very Happy! Total outlay including install, $335.
Originally Posted by KevinH2000
I have Sumitomos on my 2005 Sedan - they were on the car when I bought it. The right rear tire had uneven wear due to a poor alignment and it was one of the negotiating points for a price reduction. I was originally planning to replace the rear tires with a couple of more Sumitomos.
I did some research and the best review I could find that included a side-by-side comparison was in the January 2017 Consumer Reports. The Sumitomos appear to be the best cost option of the tires they rated, but they did not rank as highly on snow and ice as the higher-rated and significantly higher-priced brands.
Most years, my area has two or three snow storms and the snow removal crews may not clear the residential areas for several days. I need to plan for winter weather. After weighing my options, I decided to buy Michelin Pilot Sport AS-3's because of their higher score on snow and ice. I paid $582 on sale at Costco. It will be a few days before I can have them installed and a few months before our first winter storm, so I don't have any real world experience. Your cost of $350 for the Sumitomos is a significant saving assuming the coupes use the same tire size as the sedans.
I would have liked to save over $200, but I was concerned that I might regret my frugality from the side of an icy road.
I don't think I'll be able to avoid ice and snow - although our winters have been less severe the last few years.
I'll try to remember this thread and post an update in a year or so and let you know if I have any regrets.
According to this brochure (http://www.auto-brochures.com/makes/...Sport_2005.pdf) it appears that both the coupes and sedans have the staggered wheel set up (wider tires in rear) so you are not able to rotate the tires either. That will have a negative effect on the tread life compared to the manufacturer's claim.
I was surprised to learn that the coupes are slightly heavier than the sedans even though the coupes are shorter. They didn't specify a different weight for the cars with a manual transmission, but they are usually lighter than the cars with an automatic.
According to this brochure (http://www.auto-brochures.com/makes/...Sport_2005.pdf) it appears that both the coupes and sedans have the staggered wheel set up (wider tires in rear) so you are not able to rotate the tires either. That will have a negative effect on the tread life compared to the manufacturer's claim.
I'm surprised it doesn't list the 05 C240 wagon. I think that was the last year for the wagon in the US. Its like they weren't even trying anymore by that point.
Personally, I'd prefer a wagon (or touring model or shooting brake) to an SUV. It offers almost as much interior space without the bulk. Less mass equals better handling and full economy.
However, I must be out of touch with the preferences of most other U.S. residents as SUV's are slowly taking over the roads. Within my own family, my wife is a fan of her Toyota Highlander. She likes the ride height and the fact that it has a third row of seats. I think we may have used the third row of seats 10 times in our 12+ years of ownership. I can only think of how much happier we would have been in a C Class Wagon.
Personally, I'd prefer a wagon (or touring model or shooting brake) to an SUV. It offers almost as much interior space without the bulk. Less mass equals better handling and full economy.
However, I must be out of touch with the preferences of most other U.S. residents as SUV's are slowly taking over the roads. Within my own family, my wife is a fan of her Toyota Highlander. She likes the ride height and the fact that it has a third row of seats. I think we may have used the third row of seats 10 times in our 12+ years of ownership. I can only think of how much happier we would have been in a C Class Wagon.
I hate the ride height of SUVs. Sitting high up feels unstable for me. Thanks for the link. I found the 04 brochure that lists all the variants side by side. http://www.auto-brochures.com/makes/...Class_2004.pdf
I'm surprised that the C240 sedan and wagon are 1.7 sec slower to 60mph and slightly less efficient than the C320.
Compared to my Volvo wagons the C320 wagon is pathetic in terms of interior space. My favorite thing about the wagon is the large rear door. It makes getting my 2.5 year old into her child seat much easier.
C230 Sport Coup + 2006 W164 ML350 + 99 Ford Escort (What the heck, it gets 38 mpg!)
Kevin, I'm lovin' this auto brochures website! Sweet!
Too bad they don't have the 2002 brochure. Just pulled it out of my files, and
It's just chock full of beautiful photo's and includes a 6 page photo shoot of the "Sports Wagon"
with a manly guy tossing his kayak into the back.
And believe it or not, one photo of it in Blue! I'll have to post it for Mr. tjts over there.
C'mon, we all know you meant to put an 'i' instead of a 'j'.
Originally Posted by KevinH2000
I don't think I'll be able to avoid ice and snow - although our winters have been less severe the last few years.
I'll try to remember this thread and post an update in a year or so and let you know if I have any regrets.
According to this brochure (http://www.auto-brochures.com/makes/...Sport_2005.pdf) it appears that both the coupes and sedans have the staggered wheel set up (wider tires in rear) so you are not able to rotate the tires either. That will have a negative effect on the tread life compared to the manufacturer's claim.
I was surprised to learn that the coupes are slightly heavier than the sedans even though the coupes are shorter. They didn't specify a different weight for the cars with a manual transmission, but they are usually lighter than the cars with an automatic.
Last edited by C230 Sport Coup; 10-19-2017 at 02:12 PM.
The specification and option information is valuable, but it is also interesting to see how the car was marketed back in 2005. The vignettes that they use for each sub model are a little odd though. For example, the owner of the C320 Sport Sedan is portrayed as a globe-trotting pick up artist, but the C230 owner is shown putting a car seat in the back seat of his sedan. I guess guys who buy cars with only 4 cylinders are practical Dad types. The driver in the picture for the AMG is in a black leather jacket, so they must have been trying to appeal to the tuner crowd.
I'm not sure what Mercedes is trying to say about Coupe owners, but the depiction of "Emma" would seem to turn off a lot of buyers. Given the very respectable performance for the coupes (the acceleration data for the C320 coupe shows that it is only about a half second slower to 60 mph than my 2000 Porsche Boxster) I would think marketing it as a versatile (dare I say "practical") sports car would have been the successful approach.
Returning more or less to the subject of your thread - I'm having my Michelins installed on Wednesday. I'll post my first impressions, but I don't think it will be fair to compare a set of new Michelins to my unevenly worn and neglected Sumitomos. I'll look at the date code on the tires when I have a minute so at least I'll know how old they are.
(Edit - The DOT tire code indicates that the tires were manufactured in 2012. The fronts during the 24th week of 2012 and the rears during the 26th week of 2012.)
Last edited by KevinH2000; 10-22-2017 at 01:44 AM.
Just looking for opinions on Sumitomo HTR A/S P02 W Speed rated tires.
My car is getting long in the tooth and
I no longer feel the need to get the stickiest tires etc.
Just something comfortable, good quality, not chinese junk, with a relatively long tread life that doesn't growl like the rear diff is going out.
Anyone?
Originally Posted by tjts1
I have the Ohtsu fp7000 on my c320 in 205/55r16. I just installed them a couple of months ago. They are very good, it's actually my 3rd set. I've used them on my other cars prior to this one. They were originally marketed as falken sn828 several years ago. I paid $184 for a set shipped to my door through eBay.
Originally Posted by KevinH2000
The specification and option information is valuable, but it is also interesting to see how the car was marketed back in 2005. The vignettes that they use for each sub model are a little odd though. For example, the owner of the C320 Sport Sedan is portrayed as a globe-trotting pick up artist, but the C230 owner is shown putting a car seat in the back seat of his sedan. I guess guys who buy cars with only 4 cylinders are practical Dad types. The driver in the picture for the AMG is in a black leather jacket, so they must have been trying to appeal to the tuner crowd.
I'm not sure what Mercedes is trying to say about Coupe owners, but the depiction of "Emma" would seem to turn off a lot of buyers. Given the very respectable performance for the coupes (the acceleration data for the C320 coupe shows that it is only about a half second slower to 60 mph than my 2000 Porsche Boxster) I would think marketing it as a versatile (dare I say "practical") sports car would have been the successful approach.
Returning more or less to the subject of your thread - I'm having my Michelins installed on Wednesday. I'll post my first impressions, but I don't think it will be fair to compare a set of new Michelins to my unevenly worn and neglected Sumitomos. I'll look at the date code on the tires when I have a minute so at least I'll know how old they are.
(Edit - The DOT tire code indicates that the tires were manufactured in 2012. The fronts during the 24th week of 2012 and the rears during the 26th week of 2012.)
Hey guys I have been eyeing those Ohtsu on eBay $148 delivered to my door, is very tempting. I barely put 5000 miles a year on cars so I expect most tires I use to last but I am concerned about some people reporting quick wear on them by 20k miles. I just want even though it might be too soon since you installed them, how are they holding on so far, in terms of wear and performance?
I have also seen an equally popular brand Milestar MS932, does anybody have first hand experience with this tire?
Go for the Ohtsu tires, they are very good as long as you don't encounter snow. Milestare is pure Chinesium. At least Ohtsu is a subsidiary brand if Sumitomo.
eBay was advertising a 20% off anything coupon code today good til 8pm Pacific.
Go for the Ohtsu tires, they are very good as long as you don't encounter snow. Milestare is pure Chinesium. At least Ohtsu is a subsidiary brand if Sumitomo.
eBay was advertising a 20% off anything coupon code today good til 8pm Pacific.
Ebay came through-$146. My sister just had new installs the old fashioned way for $320. Will be fine in Texas, you know we have four weather seasons-drought, flood, blizzard, and twister. No snow down here.
I'm happy with my Michelin Pilot Sport AS3's. They did well in snow which is important to me because we have about 3 snow events a year in this part of Virginia and I can't sit at home for a week waiting for it to melt. I live at the top of a hill and they did well in about 4 inches of snow. They still seem like new after about 6000 miles. I'm envious of the prices you all are paying for your tires though. The AS3's were $582 installed at Costco.
10-04-2017, 07:53 PM
Imho, not having a Blizzak, or one of the lesser "clones", makes it "interesting" when a car tries to stop with the ice built up overnight at the neighborhood intersections with stop signs. Add in "no such thing as flat or level" in most of New England, and it makes skydiving without a parachute look safer. :-O
