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front door h/k speaker retrofit (how to)
Finally after four long days the speakers arrived from Germersheim Germany :)
After I got home from work I got to it, removing the door panel is acually pretty straight forward and easy, here´s how you replace the front door speakers: Wind the window all the way down and start by removing the tweeter grille, its just snapped in place and comes off easy, then remove this trim, its also just snapped and folded around the door frame. http://www.geting.se/image.php/179386-IMG_2843.JPG This will reveal this clip, DO NOT push the middle part inwards (been there done that :smash:) pick it out, twist it 90 degrees and push it in again to release the plastic hooks. http://www.geting.se/image.php/179374-IMG_2830.JPG Push in a wedge in the bottom part of the panel and twist it so that the panel snaps out, pull it out to release the clips around it edges, lift the upper part over the lock knobs. disconnect the two connectors shown here, purple and blue http://www.geting.se/image.php/179383-IMG_2840.JPG Unhook the inside handle wire, very easy. http://www.geting.se/image.php/179384-IMG_2841.JPG Now the panel is free and looks like this, remember to check the orange clips, the MUST be intact as well as the small foam seal at each clip http://www.geting.se/image.php/179376-IMG_2834.JPG Just in case bought 10 new clips as well as the blind rivets needed for the speakers, the side airbag sensors are triggerd by door air pressure difference, this is why its really important that all clips and seals remain intact. http://www.geting.se/image.php/179381-IMG_2838.JPG Stock Audio 20 front door cheapo speaker http://www.geting.se/image.php/179375-IMG_2831.JPG The stock speaker rivets drilled out, be careful not to crack the window while doing this: http://www.geting.se/image.php/179380-IMG_2837.JPG Comparison between h/k and stock, quite some difference, h/k has stronger cone material instead of paper, larger magnet and voice coil as well as sturdier rubber suspension. http://www.geting.se/image.php/179377-IMG_2835.JPG http://www.geting.se/image.php/179379-IMG_2836.JPG Look at the Audio 20 speaker voice coil, a simple roll of paper :) http://www.geting.se/image.php/179388-IMG_2846.JPG New speaker riveted in place: http://www.geting.se/image.php/179382-IMG_2839.JPG Mount door panel in reverse order, dont forget to connect connectors and the door handle wire, place in top first and then slam the panel in place using your hand only. As you can see I have also retrofitted the h/k emblems, look really great :) http://www.geting.se/image.php/179387-IMG_2844.JPG And the difference in sound is really significant, I didnt think I would hear an improvement this big, the increase in bass is the primary improvment, and the overall sound is a lot fuller, especially in combination with the h/k tweeters. As the improvement IMO was so great I will also replace the rear door speakers in time. The speakers cost here in Sweden about $100 a piece, compare that with the Audio 20 speakers that cost $22 :eek: |
Great job and write up. :thumbup:
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incredible... that's some in depth stuff right there... i guess you are a MB Tech!
how hard is it to get off JUST the speaker cover ?? i need to clean it :\ |
Originally Posted by TB5...
(Post 3587625)
incredible... that's some in depth stuff right there... i guess you are a MB Tech!
how hard is it to get off JUST the speaker cover ?? i need to clean it :\ Ok, so I wasnt an MB Tech before this thread? :) You need to remove the entire door panel to remove the speaker covers from the inside, they are melted in place. |
vic, any plan to do the rear speakers??
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As I wrote I will do them in time ..
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Excellent write up. =)
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Vic, what about sound quality before/after? :p
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Doesnt anyone read the entire thread? :)
Check what I wrote in the end of the first post above. |
Sigh..if the speaker price aren't that high here in the States..I would do this upgrade right now..
while vic paid only around $450 for 2xtweeters+2xfront speakers+2xrear speakers, dealer here in US want $1k for the speakers plus labor cost.. |
Why dont you install them yourself?, its not very hard.
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Great Job. And thanks for taking the time to take and post picture! It really helps.
You didn't install the H/K amp, did you? So you got a big sound improvement just by changing the speakers and still feeding them though the head unit's internal amp? Interesting. |
Originally Posted by Bokx_350
(Post 3588945)
Great Job. And thanks for taking the time to take and post picture! It really helps.
You didn't install the H/K amp, did you? So you got a big sound improvement just by changing the speakers and still feeding them though the head unit's internal amp? Interesting. No, I wanted to but its to much work. By just looking at the speakers it isnt hard to see why the h/k speakers perform better with the same feed. The improvment was IMO so big that I didnt hesitate to order the rear h/k speakers today, strangely they were more expensive than the front door speakers :confused: |
Originally Posted by vic viper
(Post 3588971)
No, I wanted to but its to much work.
By just looking at the speakers it isnt hard to see why the h/k speakers perform better with the same feed. The improvment was IMO so big that I didnt hesitate to order the rear h/k speakers today, strangely they were more expensive than the front door speakers :confused: |
Originally Posted by vic viper
(Post 3587772)
Ok, so I wasnt an MB Tech before this thread? :)
You need to remove the entire door panel to remove the speaker covers from the inside, they are melted in place. wtf @ melted in place tho... damn i guess i have to find another way to clean all up in the speaker holes. |
Now I know what my next mod will be after the tweeters :p Is there a sub upgrade btw? I thought the LOGIC7 in BMW has an extra amp too. Does MB have it too? Are this standard connectors with MB? (Looking to retrofit L7 in E60 :))
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Yes the 204 sound system utilizes a separate amplifier, the S204 also houses a rear subwoofer located behind the left trunk panel.
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wow vic, your building this car by yourself :P
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Originally Posted by len56
(Post 3589351)
wow vic, your building this car by yourself :P
Sure, why not? the modding is half the fun with a new car :) |
:bow::bow::bow: Vic Viper you are my idol
I also want to do the retrofit http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6749/65511.jpg belong to a CLS all 150 € and new. Hk the buy on eBay a month ago which is the emblem of reference HK for doors? |
Are those speakers from a CLS?, then I doubt they will fit the 204 bolt on..
The h/k emblems have part number: A463 723 00 60 |
Price Quote from allmercedes.com
Look for Joe:
Tweeters A2128201002 $ 40.00 each 2 Front A2048202102 $160.00 each 2 Rear A2048203002 $200.00 each 2 Blind Rivets A0009910037 $ .50 each 12 H/K Emblem A4637230060 $ 8.00 Each 4 Their service department also quoted $120 per door to replace the speakers. I'm still waiting for a quote from an independent mercedes shop in Antioch,CA. Luis |
Why not just go with aftermarket speakers - any issues?
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Originally Posted by whiteongrey
(Post 3591537)
Why not just go with aftermarket speakers - any issues?
Yes, they wont fit. |
Originally Posted by vic viper
(Post 3591563)
Yes, they wont fit.
Most have to splice the speaker wires. Are the front and rear door speakers different sizes? Your thoughts? Superb write-up & photos on the speaker change! |
Originally Posted by whiteongrey
(Post 3591571)
Hmmm....I did a search at crutchfield.ca (quite reputable) and they have a few that fit.
Most have to splice the speaker wires. Are the front and rear door speakers different sizes? Your thoughts? Superb write-up & photos on the speaker change! The speaker wires are the least of your concern, take a closer look at the pictures, the speaker is attached in three mounting holes and the speaker hole isnt completely round, also the offset is made to make the speaker fit snug against the door panel grille. Sure it is possible to fit aftermarkets but IMO it just isnt worth the effort when h/k is bolt on at a similar price. |
Originally Posted by vic viper
(Post 3591580)
The speaker wires are the least of your concern, take a closer look at the pictures, the speaker is attached in three mounting holes and the speaker hole isnt completely round, also the offset is made to make the speaker fit snug against the door panel grille.
Sure it is possible to fit aftermarkets but IMO it just isnt worth the effort when h/k is bolt on at a similar price. |
Waiting for updated prices
Originally Posted by louiet3
(Post 3590031)
Look for Joe:
Tweeters A2128201002 $ 40.00 each 2 Front A2048202102 $160.00 each 2 Rear A2048203002 $200.00 each 2 Blind Rivets A0009910037 $ .50 each 12 H/K Emblem A4637230060 $ 8.00 Each 4 Their service department also quoted $120 per door to replace the speakers. I'm still waiting for a quote from an independent mercedes shop in Antioch,CA. Luis Luis |
Originally Posted by louiet3
(Post 3591740)
I just spoke with Joe of allmercedes.com and asked if he can still lower the price considering we have a lot interested. He is considering lowering the price if he can have his source lower their price as well. Joe will let me know tomorrow morning.
Luis http://www.trademotion.com/partlocat...89&catalogid=0:zoom: Tweeters A2128201002 $ 40.00 each 2 - $37.05 Front A2048202102 $160.00 each 2 - $148.20 Rear A2048203002 $200.00 each 2 - $187.20 Blind Rivets A0009910037 $ .50 each 12 -$0.31 H/K Emblem A4637230060 $ 8.00 Each 4 -$ 6.63 YOU NEED ONLY 2 (for the front door) |
Hmm...their price really seem to be better...
one quick note, when doing search on that site..use the number only and leave out the A in the front.. |
Originally Posted by justthinking
(Post 3593124)
Hmm...their price really seem to be better...
one quick note, when doing search on that site..use the number only and leave out the A in the front.. Yes, only numbers.:zoom: |
Originally Posted by justthinking
(Post 3593124)
Hmm...their price really seem to be better...
http://www.trademotion.com/partlocat...89&catalogid=0 |
Bad news, I got the rear speakers today and I was rather surpised as they need to be riveted from the INSIDE of the door module *sigh*
This means that almost everything in the rear door needs to be removed, door panel, window crank, maybe the window, outside door handle, lock mechanism, the works :( |
Just snapped some pics, as you can see theres no way to mount the blind rivets from the front ..
http://www.geting.se/image.php/180579-IMG_2888.JPG http://www.geting.se/image.php/180580-IMG_2889.JPG I thought it would be easy to mount the rear speakers as the fronts only took like 20 mins, but I think replacing the rear sepakers will take a good 2 maybe 3 hours :( |
This is amazing! Im gonna order those speakers this week
Thank you vic! :bow::bow: |
So I guess labor charge of $350 for all 4 door speakers + tweeters ain't that bad if the rear are so complicated...
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Originally Posted by justthinking
(Post 3599492)
So I guess labor charge of $350 for all 4 door speakers + tweeters ain't that bad if the rear are so complicated...
Correct, question is if your dealer knows how complicated the rear swap is?, there is no way to tell in the Benz systems, I found this out when I got the new speakers.. But then again, if you got a price they must stick to it right? |
If I were you I'd get some 3M industrial grade double sided foam tape, replace that foam on the housing and stick them on. Any autobody supply store will have it - used mainly for trim and very strong.
Will never come off and save a huge headache. They already use lots of glue on cars and aircraft so it's no big deal. |
Originally Posted by vic viper
(Post 3598261)
I think replacing the rear sepakers will take a good 2 maybe 3 hours :(
Have you finished installing the rear speakers? If so how long did it really take to install? Luis |
No, havnt had time to do it yet, need to order some more blind rivets foor the door module as well.
Have done a little research and the window must be loosened from the crank, window needs to be secured in window frame, door lock must be removed, outside door handle needs to come off, cable harness needs to be unhooked from B pillar, and a sh_tload of rivets must be drilled out. Taping a speaker?, nah, I think ill stick to the rivets. |
Hi Vic,
Due to the price of the speakers here in the US, I just went around and checked what aftermarket speakers I can use. I spoke to one audio shop and they listened to my GLK stock radio. They said that should be enough to drive after-market speakers. The speakers he recommended is the HERTZ HSK 165 ($345) plus install about average between $450-480. That seems to be an affordable option. Can you give me your thoughts on this ? Thanks, |
wow..seems a lot of work for the rear door speakers..dunno if I will trust non MB tech to do the job..
I am still leaning toward HK speakers but would defintly hold back until vic had time to do his.. |
Really depends on the shop you go to. The shop I asked already did alot of Benz and BMW. They have a good reputation in our area. Plus, I am only planning Tweeters/Front doors speakers.
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Front door plus tweeters should only take 1 hour tops, its a very easy job,
and considering aftermarket speakers like I said before I would prefer OE h/k over aftermarket any day of the week, h/k are a perfect fit, monted correctly they wont cause any rattles or similar, with aftermarket speakers adapters and whatnot needs to be built.. |
Thanks vv for your comment.
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Vic you were right.. those H/K tweeters make signifiant difference in audio quality compared to stock tweeter :) Replaced mine two days ago :p Fairly easy job, took about 10 mins
Would you recommend replacing those front door speakers too? |
I have an SLK (r171).
Can I also install H/K speakers? I have Audio 20. Probably I need to change to COMAND APS first? anyone with similar experience? |
Vic,
I want to make this change. THe stock speakers sound like a$$. But, WTF? Rivets? Don't know nothing 'bout no rivets. I gotta get a rivet gun? |
Yes you need a blind rivet tool, comes in many different layouts.
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Thanks, Vic. I just noticed one reason why the audio is so crappy. The tweeters in the front door are missing. The wires and foam insert is there. I bought the vehicle last Thurs from a local MB dealer. They said it was a fleet vehicle used as a loaner for folks that were having their MBs serviced. The CARFAX report seemed to comfirm this. Anyway, do you know of any audio package (basic) that would include NO tweeters? Seems like they'd at least put a cheapie in there. I kinda think somebody needed the tweeters for another vehicle and scavanged them from this one.
This is a 2008 C300 3.0L V6. BTW, what does the 'W203' mean? Thanks |
All markets have their own "entry level" model with no optional extras, in Germany you can order a 204 without any stereo what so ever with just a cover where the 5" display and HU is located.
However I do not think the US market have any model that doesnt have tweeters, I bet they have used them for another car like yo said. |
Vic, how come you just didn't roll the window back up just in case there was an accident when drilling out the rivets?
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Originally Posted by SuperDavid
(Post 3592605)
TOO EXPENSIVE, if you like better price go to:
http://www.trademotion.com/partlocat...89&catalogid=0:zoom: Tweeters A2128201002 $ 40.00 each 2 - $37.05 Front A2048202102 $160.00 each 2 - $148.20 Rear A2048203002 $200.00 each 2 - $187.20 Blind Rivets A0009910037 $ .50 each 12 -$0.31 H/K Emblem A4637230060 $ 8.00 Each 4 -$ 6.63 YOU NEED ONLY 2 (for the front door) SuperDave, How certain are you that the above are actually H/K? I don't see anything at that web site that indicates this. |
Originally Posted by Sincity
(Post 3651116)
Vic, how come you just didn't roll the window back up just in case there was an accident when drilling out the rivets?
You need to wind down the window to release the door frame covering, I then unhooked the door panel wich contains the window buttons, I was lazy and played it safe with the drilling instead of connecting the panel again. |
Originally Posted by Whatsamatteru
(Post 3651151)
SuperDave,
How certain are you that the above are actually H/K? I don't see anything at that web site that indicates this. All the p/n are from H/K equipment, go to EPC with the VIN # of one car with MM package and you can see same p/n, and VIC show these p/n before.:zoom: |
Great job Vic! Does HK make a Co-Axial application to fit the door? Seems like it would put out a much fuller sound than the woofer/tweeter combo.
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Personally I prefer a two stage system over a coaxial setup, but the car is equipped both ways, the rear doors houses coaxial speakers.
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Good Job Vic, and very good instructions; Yes those backs look kinda complicated - might be easier to switch out the doors with a another car! LOL!
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I am surprised I never noticed this thread up until now . . :nix:
Definitely a great writeup and a worthy upgrade :y |
H/K speaker rattle passenger door
I have an '05 SLK 350 with the H/K system, and I've noticed a rattle while playing some music, especially low frequency, that sounds like the speaker is busted (you know the rattle or vibration I'm talking about). However, I don't play the music very loud, and it seems to be getting worse. Question: what would you recommend to try to determine the cause, or do you have any ideas what could be causing it? I'm hoping the speaker cone isn't cracked, but what else could it be? Thanks in advance...
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Originally Posted by vic viper
(Post 3589328)
Yes the 204 sound system utilizes a separate amplifier, the S204 also houses a rear subwoofer located behind the left trunk panel.
I'm hunting for a new car and my main concern in audio. My current car has the following stuff and I don't know how I'm going to fit that into the W204. Looks like I'll have to forgo the Alpine W202E if I can't find a aftermarket HU bracket for this ride. Alpine IVA-W202E | Alpine PXA-H701 | Seas Lotus Reference RT25F/RW165 (6.5") | JL Audio 12w3v2-D4 (12" sub)| Rockford Fosgate T600-4 and P3001 (amps) |
All - I've been lurking on these forums for some time and I am especially interested in this thread as I have just purchased a late 08 W204 320 cdi with COMAND. I traded in a Lexus IS220 SE-L with MM option - which includes Mark Levinson 5.1 surround sound - so I have downgraded somewhat in terms of audio (upgraded in terms of BHP though!)...
So - I am looking at at least upgrading to the HK speakers, and also into the possibiity of retrofitting the LOGIC7 amp. A few questions and comments - Cost for just speakers in the UK is not too bad for a start (we are used to high prices here...) LOUDSPEAKER 2 of A2128201002 £18.86 £37.72 LOUDSPEAKER 2 of A2048202102 £75.32 £150.64 LOUDSPEAKER 2 of A2048203002 £94.30 £188.60 RIVET 2 of A0009910037 £0.21 £2.52 PLATE 2 of A4637230060 £3.47 £13.88 Subtotal: £393.36 Anyone have any comments on how possible it is to retrofit the upgraded amp (forgetting about the bigger guage speaker cables in stock HK)? Also - regards rear speakers - I know it sounds a bit harsh but maybe it's possible to force out the old speakers by prying them away (essentially bursting off the ends of the pop rivets) and then going with the adhiesive foam option on the HK's, thus saving a load of labour and headaches in virtually dismantling the rear door? comments welcome evilweasel |
Originally Posted by louiet3
(Post 3590031)
Look for Joe:
Tweeters A2128201002 $ 40.00 each 2 Front A2048202102 $160.00 each 2 Rear A2048203002 $200.00 each 2 Blind Rivets A0009910037 $ .50 each 12 H/K Emblem A4637230060 $ 8.00 Each 4 Their service department also quoted $120 per door to replace the speakers. I'm still waiting for a quote from an independent mercedes shop in Antioch,CA. Luis |
IS there a tweeter DIY? And, how is the trim around the window frame removed? In the first pic it is the piece on the ground propped up against the door.
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@evilweasel, euro spec cars rarely have MOST installed, the 810 sound system rquires the MOST harness wich is a closed optical loop installed in the car, of course anythin is possbible, but a complete sound system retrofit isnt anything that comes cheap nor easy.
@derspeed, yes I made a tweeter diy, the window fram trim is just clamped into the frame and comes off pretty easy. |
Vic - thanks... sounds like a complex job then. How can I easily identify whether I have MOST installed? This may be the deal breaker for me and I'll settle for just the speakers, although I do have experience of working with complex fiber optic comms systems, so you never know..
Out of interest where does the HK amp live in an equipped car, and is the COMAND HU the same hardware in both cases? If the hardware is the same, can the HU be reconfigured to suit? |
Originally Posted by evilweasel
(Post 3771090)
Vic - thanks... sounds like a complex job then. How can I easily identify whether I have MOST installed? This may be the deal breaker for me and I'll settle for just the speakers, although I do have experience of working with complex fiber optic comms systems, so you never know..
Out of interest where does the HK amp live in an equipped car, and is the COMAND HU the same hardware in both cases? If the hardware is the same, can the HU be reconfigured to suit? I think it's in the boot, on the side. Accessed through side medical kit storage compartment. I'll take a look tommorrow and take a photo of it.. |
Originally Posted by evilweasel
(Post 3769259)
Also - regards rear speakers - I know it sounds a bit harsh but maybe it's possible to force out the old speakers by prying them away (essentially bursting off the ends of the pop rivets) and then going with the adhiesive foam option on the HK's, thus saving a load of labour and headaches in virtually dismantling the rear door?
comments welcome evilweasel ...so you may be able to pay your local tinted window specialist to do the dismantling for you...must be quicker and cheaper??! |
Originally Posted by vic viper
(Post 3770480)
@evilweasel, euro spec cars rarely have MOST installed, the 810 sound system rquires the MOST harness wich is a closed optical loop installed in the car, of course anythin is possbible, but a complete sound system retrofit isnt anything that comes cheap nor easy.
@derspeed, yes I made a tweeter diy, the window fram trim is just clamped into the frame and comes off pretty easy. Thanks. |
Hey I like to easy and informative info you have provided
Your car is almost identical in looks to mine.
Unfortunately I never took the HK option or the Xenon headlights..... both are sadly missed. My previous Audi had Xenon h/lamps and the Bose sound upgrade, made all the difference on long journeys. I do have the MMI upgrade which the dealer chucked in at the last minute to encourage me to buy. Where did you get the HK speakers, are they all you wished for or is there something better out there you'd fit? What about the Xenon option... do you know of any reasonably priced aftermarket upgrades?:slap: |
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Originally Posted by Mr Purple
(Post 3773124)
Hi there,
I think it's in the boot, on the side. Accessed through side medical kit storage compartment. I'll take a look tommorrow and take a photo of it.. |
just curious: what are the dimensions of the speakers if i wanted to retrofit a different type of speaker for better quality or bass? just curious.
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Originally Posted by evilweasel
(Post 3769259)
All - I've been lurking on these forums for some time and I am especially interested in this thread as I have just purchased a late 08 W204 320 cdi with COMAND. I traded in a Lexus IS220 SE-L with MM option - which includes Mark Levinson 5.1 surround sound - so I have downgraded somewhat in terms of audio (upgraded in terms of BHP though!)...
So - I am looking at at least upgrading to the HK speakers, and also into the possibiity of retrofitting the LOGIC7 amp. A few questions and comments - Cost for just speakers in the UK is not too bad for a start (we are used to high prices here...) LOUDSPEAKER 2 of A2128201002 £18.86 £37.72 LOUDSPEAKER 2 of A2048202102 £75.32 £150.64 LOUDSPEAKER 2 of A2048203002 £94.30 £188.60 RIVET 2 of A0009910037 £0.21 £2.52 PLATE 2 of A4637230060 £3.47 £13.88 Subtotal: £393.36 Anyone have any comments on how possible it is to retrofit the upgraded amp (forgetting about the bigger guage speaker cables in stock HK)? Also - regards rear speakers - I know it sounds a bit harsh but maybe it's possible to force out the old speakers by prying them away (essentially bursting off the ends of the pop rivets) and then going with the adhiesive foam option on the HK's, thus saving a load of labour and headaches in virtually dismantling the rear door? comments welcome evilweasel what about tweeters? |
Tweeters A2128201002
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vic, pm'd you a few questions. lmk if you have answers, thanks.
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Good tutorial. I've got a couple questions though. What's the size of the speakers that were removed? If they were 6-1/2" then you could make a baffle and replace with 5-1/4" speakers. This would allow aftermarket speakers to be installed without having to mod the door.
I'm also curious as to the size of the tweeter that was removed. I would like to replace with aftermarket equipment as I'm sure that I can get a better sounding set of component speakers than the HK. |
Why go for 5 1/4" if you can have 6.5"?
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Originally Posted by dunnounme
(Post 3854662)
Why go for 5 1/4" if you can have 6.5"?
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You can go with aftermarket, they will fit with some Phonocar speaker adapters. No need to be specific, just get some that do the job.
http://www.phonocar.it/easysite/leve...tegory=Speaker adapters&pg=1&lingua=inglese Pioneer normaly also have speakers that will fit. |
Vic, do you have any instructions on how to remove the grill that's on the front dash? If I'm upgrading tweeters, I think that's going to be the optimal location to get better imaging. It should also push the stage back significantly.
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Originally Posted by Sully
(Post 4140679)
Vic, do you have any instructions on how to remove the grill that's on the front dash? If I'm upgrading tweeters, I think that's going to be the optimal location to get better imaging. It should also push the stage back significantly.
Use a plastic wedge or butter knife, snap out from the front and then lift the grille upwards. |
Hi, I have pursued the issue, and i want to change my normal speakers with H/K.
I have the Audio aps 50. It seems to be easy to change it in the front. My question is vic what about the rear speakers? Can't find an finally statement how it is done. Thx ;) |
Originally Posted by onkster
(Post 4148044)
Hi, I have pursued the issue, and i want to change my normal speakers with H/K.
I have the Audio aps 50. It seems to be easy to change it in the front. My question is vic what about the rear speakers? Can't find an finally statement how it is done. Thx ;) https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...fit-howto.html |
Has anyone changed the front original speakers for a 2009 C300 with a full set of after market component speakers that fit perfectly? If yes what did you do with the crossover module for the third party component speakers? Since the original speakers are components they probably have a crossover module somewhere in the system factory installed. is it necessary to install the crossover from the third party component speakers? Can I properly run the third party component speakers using the factory installed crossover module?
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Vic, being that you took off the door, do you know if it is possible to access the orange led door handle lights while doing this mod? I would love to replace them to blue/white, and would you know any part numbers or bulb type?
Lastly, is it true that the audio 20 stock system doesn't have a subwoofer? |
You can see the lamp unit here http://www.geting.se/viewimage.php?i...6-IMG_2834.JPG a stick of acrylic plastic transfers light from a amber LED behind the handle.
The Audio 20 system does not have a separate subwoofer. |
Yes, I do see it up top. Thanks vic! Any idea as to what type of LED it is? 194?
I am amazed that the audio 20 system has no separate sub, it sure shakes my butt and sounds great! |
VIC, please continue with your rear doors speaker mods .... I found this also
http://mercedes.harmankardon.com/en/...technical.aspx http://mercedes.harmankardon.com/brochures/c-class.pdf Can we install the number 6 and 7 speakers? What about the original amlifier? I asked Mercedes the H/K amplifier is not cheap.... |
I already ordered tweeters and front doors speakers. And still waiting for your solution with the rear doors speakers mounting.
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VIC VIPER where are you?
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I'm trying the front door speaker replacement but I'm a little gun-shy about removing the trim around the door (one of the first steps). Does anyone have any advice on the best way to remove this without breaking the plastic trim.
Also, are there any clips to remove for the trim? Thanks. |
Hello Vic.I've made the retrofit and the results are outstanding...but i read that we can play with the equalizer in the engineering mode...did you change anything?Thanks for your perfect instructions!(i also did the comand refrofit :) )
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I can't see any pictures...is it just me? :(
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Did this upgrade today, in little less than one and a half hour. First door took more than an hour, going slowly and helped by Vic's guide (photos are not showing anymore, though), second door about 20 minutes.
Some tips: Buy at least 10 additional clips and the black square lock is defeated when you pull out the pin, turn it 180 degrees and then insert it again to release the lock pins, and can then be pulled out. May still need to fine-tune it but the tweeters are very noticeable and the speakers do have more punch (and are twice as heavy as the stock ones). Also first time I ever played with a rivet gun, pleased that it was smooth sailing! All in all a very satisfying first mod! |
I wonder if you can fit 7" speaker in front door. I am hoping to fit Dayton Audio speaker RS180 in the front door. http://www.daytonaudio.com/lspeakers...-4_295-374.pdf
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anyone tried the HK AND the infinity kappas as well? curious to see which is better.
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Is vic still around to re-upload the pictures for the install? I have an 08 C350 with harmon kardon and i have a nasty clipping/buzzing/static sound from the Front driver area. Im thinking the front midbass driver has left the building. Does anyone know where you can source replacement HK components? Is it worthwhile to replace them with something aftermarket? I know if its anything like the pricing for the oem Dynaudio components in my passat, im in for a ride here.
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Pictures are, regertfuly, no longer available. Any chance some one could either post the DYI in pdf or something like that?
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I second the motion... anyone else want to take some pictures? Vic, are you even around anymore?
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Originally Posted by vic viper
(Post 3587507)
Finally after four long days the speakers arrived from Germersheim Germany :)
After I got home from work I got to it, removing the door panel is acually pretty straight forward and easy, here´s how you replace the front door speakers: Wind the window all the way down and start by removing the tweeter grille, its just snapped in place and comes off easy, then remove this trim, its also just snapped and folded around the door frame. http://www1.garaget.org/gallery/imag...44e325174a.jpg This will reveal this clip, DO NOT push the middle part inwards (been there done that :smash:) pick it out, twist it 90 degrees and push it in again to release the plastic hooks. http://www1.garaget.org/gallery/imag...e38158d298.jpg Push in a wedge in the bottom part of the panel and twist it so that the panel snaps out, pull it out to release the clips around it edges, lift the upper part over the lock knobs. disconnect the two connectors shown here, purple and blue http://www1.garaget.org/gallery/imag...019b6b2a39.jpg Unhook the inside handle wire, very easy. http://www1.garaget.org/gallery/imag...da19a1f44b.jpg Now the panel is free and looks like this, remember to check the orange clips, the MUST be intact as well as the small foam seal at each clip http://www1.garaget.org/gallery/imag...72788ef743.jpg Just in case bought 10 new clips as well as the blind rivets needed for the speakers, the side airbag sensors are triggerd by door air pressure difference, this is why its really important that all clips and seals remain intact. http://www1.garaget.org/gallery/imag...5c7aeb8f77.jpg Stock Audio 20 front door cheapo speaker http://www1.garaget.org/gallery/imag...daf6754e72.jpg The stock speaker rivets drilled out, be careful not to crack the window while doing this: http://www1.garaget.org/gallery/imag...438881e322.jpg Comparison between h/k and stock, quite some difference, h/k has stronger cone material instead of paper, larger magnet and voice coil as well as sturdier rubber suspension. http://www1.garaget.org/gallery/imag...9382264792.jpg http://www1.garaget.org/gallery/imag...8691f190f6.jpg Look at the Audio 20 speaker voice coil, a simple roll of paper :) http://www1.garaget.org/gallery/imag...3c4266e526.jpg New speaker riveted in place: http://www1.garaget.org/gallery/imag...e32800b465.jpg Mount door panel in reverse order, dont forget to connect connectors and the door handle wire, place in top first and then slam the panel in place using your hand only. As you can see I have also retrofitted the h/k emblems, look really great :) http://www1.garaget.org/gallery/imag...e5b9ea60ca.jpg And the difference in sound is really significant, I didnt think I would hear an improvement this big, the increase in bass is the primary improvment, and the overall sound is a lot fuller, especially in combination with the h/k tweeters. As the improvement IMO was so great I will also replace the rear door speakers in time. The speakers cost here in Sweden about $100 a piece, compare that with the Audio 20 speakers that cost $22 :eek: Here you go guys! |
Thank you SOOO much Vic! I really appreciate what you've done here...
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Hi guys, i want to change my 2 original tweeters ( audio 20, not harman kardon ) for other best. What the guys recommend with a simple instalation? I think 100-150 usd is good to me.
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I am very disappointed. I bought the 60.9 component speakers, and the woofers ended up NOT fitting on the stock housing with any of the adapters. I had to remove them completely, then use an adapter for the hole. Everything looked good clearance wise, so I put everything back together. Windows won't go up...they are rubbing. Great...5 hours of cutting with a dremel and working in a hot garage, and now my windows won't go up, so I will have to disconnect everything tomorrow and take it into a shop. I had read time and again in here that the Infinity speakers bolt right onto the stock housing for the fronts, but this is not true for the GLK. I thought it was pretty difficult work and wish I had just paid to get it done. The rears fit on the stock housing with an adapter ring. The fronts disappointed me.
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I´ve never read that they would be an easy fit?
I have myself always recommended fitting the h/k speakers because of the bolt on nature. |
Originally Posted by vic viper
(Post 5883251)
I´ve never read that they would be an easy fit?
I have myself always recommended fitting the h/k speakers because of the bolt on nature. |
Hi Vic,
Where could I get the speakers at a decent price, in Europe? I've also read that you work at MB. Could I get the parts from you? Thank you! |
I'm taking out a FULL HARMON KARDON set from a new 2012 C250. I just put in new FOCAL K2 power 6.5 in front and rear. If you want my OEM brand new HK's you can have them. Just cover shipping and a little something for my time.
Edit- so my installer says to keep these HK's in case I sell the car or trade up. However, if someone wants to pay $250 I will do it. That will cover USPS Priority Shipping to USA or Canada. All the speakers are brand new, I just bought the car last month from a MB dealer with only $6k miles. I can provide a copy of the receipt so you know these speakers are brand new. They sound incredible, MUCh better than the speakers in the model w/o the sound package. The sound package was like $3-4k so $250 I think is a great deal. Let me know! Thanks, Greg Boston TEXT 617five95-SIX448 |
Originally Posted by bostongreg
(Post 5928851)
I'm taking out a FULL HARMON KARDON set from a new 2012 C250. I just put in new FOCAL K2 power 6.5 in front and rear. If you want my OEM brand new HK's you can have them. Just cover shipping and a little something for my time.
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So, I tried this little mod and now I can't hear anything from the two lower speakers. :smash: I'm positive I plugged the speakers in properly and yes the speakers are functional, just not in my car, apparently. :confused:
Could this be speaker polarity? Found this online, "You have the speakers wired out of phase. The speakers are cancelling each other out. You need to reverse the speaker wires on one side of the car. Do not reverse the wires too all 4 speakers or you will still have the same problem. You have them like this. + ~ ~ + you need them like this + ~ + ~ I know this doesn't seem like it would cause any problem, but it makes a big difference." I don't understand how that would happen though if everything (connections) is OEM. |
You can't really get the fully effect, but there is absolutely no bass and the speaker seems unusually quiet. Did I do something wrong? Excuse the song, it has good bass. |
It was a crappy speaker.
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Why the photos in the first post are not shown?
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Originally Posted by charmingchan
(Post 6319012)
Why the photos in the first post are not shown?
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Originally Posted by codeblue5007
(Post 6319126)
It seems that over time the photos and many posts disappear. Fortunately the photos can be seen here https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...ml#post5697112
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Where did you order the Action 20 speakers?
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Originally Posted by Halfpap
(Post 6321165)
Where did you order the Action 20 speakers?
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Hi, anyone knows where to get the extra retaining clips or what's the part number for it? I have a 2013 C250 (North America), if there's any difference with the part number.
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Originally Posted by rookiezxc
(Post 6325612)
Hi, anyone knows where to get the extra retaining clips or what's the part number for it? I have a 2013 C250 (North America), if there's any difference with the part number.
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Originally Posted by rookiezxc
(Post 6325612)
Hi, anyone knows where to get the extra retaining clips or what's the part number for it? I have a 2013 C250 (North America), if there's any difference with the part number.
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@sincity and codeblue5007, thanks!! do u guys know how much is it at the dealer? Just trying to count how much money will I be using vs just asking a professional to do it :)
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From getthemercedesparts Part Number Part Description Quantity Core Price Price Total
0009918698 PANELING CLI 10 $0.00 $2.16 $21.60 0009917940 RIVET 2 $0.00 $2.00 $4.00 Sub Total $25.60 Shipping method - GROUND Shipping $7.35 Handling Fee $2.00 Tax $0.00 Total $34.95 ----------------- Shipping is absurdly expensive, but time is valuable. I would get 20 clips plus the two locking pins for the front doors. |
Originally Posted by codeblue5007
(Post 6326049)
From getthemercedesparts Part Number Part Description Quantity Core Price Price Total
0009918698 PANELING CLI 10 $0.00 $2.16 $21.60 0009917940 RIVET 2 $0.00 $2.00 $4.00 Sub Total $25.60 Shipping method - GROUND Shipping $7.35 Handling Fee $2.00 Tax $0.00 Total $34.95 ----------------- Shipping is absurdly expensive, but time is valuable. I would get 20 clips plus the two locking pins for the front doors. |
Originally Posted by rookiezxc
(Post 6326066)
Thanks! I'm replacing all of them with infinity kappa though, do I still need the rivets? my understanding is that you need the rivet if you're replacing it with the plug and play h/k speakers. Which locking pins do you mean for the front door?? :confused:
The only "locking pin" I know of is the square clip that is revealed once you remove the black surrounding trim around the window of the front door. I had the dealer replace the wood trim on the driver-side door under warranty before and they did not replace this clip. On the other door, I tried removing it and gave up and just broke it off. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...e0f1f19c9d.jpg |
Originally Posted by Sincity
(Post 6326584)
You do not need the rivets. Rivets are only used if you are replacing with OEM HK speakers and not the Infinity speakers. I am assuming you have already this thread: https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w...r-upgrade.html?
The only "locking pin" I know of is the square clip that is revealed once you remove the black surrounding trim around the window of the front door. I had the dealer replace the wood trim on the driver-side door under warranty before and they did not replace this clip. On the other door, I tried removing it and gave up and just broke it off. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...e0f1f19c9d.jpg |
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Thanks sincity and codeblue5007, my understanding here is that those are locking pins that are attached one each door and not reusable, therefore I should get a new one every time I open the door panel, correct?
Anyway, I found all these instructions from Akadan, Bill, VicViper and many other contributing MBworld, but I'm still not entirely sure how will I be replacing the tweeter since the housing size will not fit (Kappa Tweeters will be way bigger than the OEM, right?) Still a bit nervous here since this is my very first speaker retrofit job. I took out a stereo from VW MK5 previously to attach an aux cable, but never did anything to the wiring of a car. This job will requires me to: - Open up 4 door panels. - Use a tremel to sand all the previous fittings. - Drill the holes using a 1/8" drill bit or smaller. - resolder all the wiring. Is there anything else that I should be aware of before tackling this retrofit, especially on how to do the wiring specifically? |
Rookie, I found the pins could not be reused. I pulled them out, rotated them and they wouldn't even go back in. And I had a helluva time getting the panels off because the vlips wouldn't come out easily. Someone rose commented that the pins weren't even necessary, since the panels reinstalled securely with all the damaged clips replaced.
The infinity tweeter will not fit in the plastic ring that held the original tweeter. The solution is to dremmel off the three plastic prongs that hold the ring, jam the new tweeter in the foam behind the sail and snap the sail in place. As I mentioned I'm not entirely happy with the infinity tweeters, especially with fm rock music. Could be the lousy source or the orientation of the tweeters, or the fact that they are not fixed in place. Going to try Alpine tweeters, which by the way will fit into the original tweeter holder ring. It's an interesting project and you'll find solutions as you go on. The rear,speakers are much easier than the fronts because there are no locking pins and window surround to take off. I used kappas in the back too and they fit just barely without touching the window. |
Originally Posted by rookiezxc
(Post 6326703)
Thanks sincity and codeblue5007, my understanding here is that those are locking pins that are attached one each door and not reusable, therefore I should get a new one every time I open the door panel, correct?
Anyway, I found all these instructions from Akadan, Bill, VicViper and many other contributing MBworld, but I'm still not entirely sure how will I be replacing the tweeter since the housing size will not fit (Kappa Tweeters will be way bigger than the OEM, right?) Still a bit nervous here since this is my very first speaker retrofit job. I took out a stereo from VW MK5 previously to attach an aux cable, but never did anything to the wiring of a car. This job will requires me to: - Open up 4 door panels. - Use a tremel to sand all the previous fittings. - Drill the holes using a 1/8" drill bit or smaller. - resolder all the wiring. Is there anything else that I should be aware of before tackling this retrofit, especially on how to do the wiring specifically? |
I understand your weariness. I didn't bother to replace that "square" clip. You will need to dremmel out the three plastic "rivets" to remove the factory tweeter and very easy to do. Just follow the guides and you'll be fine. I know Akadan used the stripe wires as +, but I found the electrical diagram from one of the pages that show the solid wire as "+". Most of my time was spent on finding an alternative place to mount the crossover for the fronts and ended up using the little cubby hole that ICON used.
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@codeblue5007 & Sincity, Thank you so much for all the supports. Parts and speakers are on its way now :)
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You're welcome. That is what the forum is for. Let us know how it turns out.
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Originally Posted by Sincity
(Post 6330840)
You're welcome. That is what the forum is for. Let us know how it turns out.
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Hey i want to retrfotit the hk tweeters in my car (2014 e class facelift) but i have some questions.
1.Is it easy to retrofit them 2.Will there be a difference in sound quality 3.how is it done ? |
Originally Posted by Sunny18
(Post 6495962)
Hey i want to retrfotit the hk tweeters in my car (2014 e class facelift) but i have some questions.
1.Is it easy to retrofit them 2.Will there be a difference in sound quality 3.how is it done ? I've been driving a humble Hyundai Elantra loaner and it's sound system sounds better than the non-HK MB's. In other words, the non-HK MB sound system is mediocre even with Infinity speakers and a powered sub. |
Hey i drive a 2014 e class facelift w212 with standard speakers. I want to upgrade to harman kardon speakers. I do not want the amp I just want to upgrade my door speakers and tweeters. Just wanted to know is it possible to just swap the speakers or not, secondly will it be difficult to install and will i be able to hear a noticeable diff.
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Focal 165AC
Do you guys know if Focal 165AC can be installed?
I check on crutchfield and it says i can for lower front door. Just want to double check if any have done this. Cheers |
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