Spacers???
Why is it that people hate wheel spacers? Is there a difference in ride/feel or is it just a piece of mind thing??
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Originally Posted by fefo25
(Post 4698192)
Why is it that people hate wheel spacers? Is there a difference in ride/feel or is it just a piece of mind thing??
More unsprung weight does all the wrong things...slower acceleration, longer braking, more fuel consumption, ride deterioration...the goal is to find the lightest wheels you can. |
^none of those symptoms listed you will notice at all...I have had them on several cars, never noticed any of that one bit (before and after) and I'm sure others who run them will say the same. Unless you have ever ran them yourself, than there really is nothing to say but you have just been given over-exaggerated info from others who more than likely never ran them to experience any of that themselves
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Also, the goal is to buy wheels with the proper fitment to begn with. You're spending the money, so why not get the correct setup from the get go?
Spacers are fine to use though and are an easy way to fiddle with the look of your car. |
Originally Posted by xXHotelCrazyXx
(Post 4698223)
^none of those symptoms listed you will notice at all...I have had them on several cars, never noticed any of that one bit (before and after) and I'm sure others who run them will say the same. Unless you have ever ran them yourself, than there really is nothing to say but you have just been given over-exaggerated info from others who more than likely never ran them to experience any of that themselves
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Changing wheel sizes/and or weights are one thing, especially when there are 3-5+ lbs difference for each wheel, but wheel spacers, you wont notice a thing.
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Originally Posted by xXHotelCrazyXx
(Post 4698223)
^none of those symptoms listed you will notice at all...I have had them on several cars, never noticed any of that one bit (before and after) and I'm sure others who run them will say the same. Unless you have ever ran them yourself, than there really is nothing to say but you have just been given over-exaggerated info from others who more than likely never ran them to experience any of that themselves
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There really is no "good" reason. People just think that everyone need to spend loads of $$$ to spend on custom offsets or you will "destroy your cars engineering lol" or finding a wheel that looks good with the perfect offset which rarely happens. Spacers are a good, cheap, effective mod that enhance the look of the car and marginally improve handling by widening the track of the car.
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Originally Posted by Sportstick
(Post 4698203)
LOL...it's a piece of metal thing!!
More unsprung weight does all the wrong things...slower acceleration, longer braking, more fuel consumption, ride deterioration...the goal is to find the lightest wheels you can. Ok then, OP lose two lbs of body fat and you've got cake and are eating it. |
the big thing with spacers is fitment. MB wheels are hubcentric and seat a certain way, the hub takes alot of the pressure of the road, and most spacers are just rings and pressure the bolts directly, not the hub. If your racing or rough on ur car, u want quality lugs, and hubcentric spacers for MB. Im not a fan of them, I think ur better off with proper hubcentric wheels, unless ur trying to push ur stock wheels out a little, then its a different story, u have no choice
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Originally Posted by Richie999
(Post 4698680)
Four 8 ounce spacers adds weight worth posting about?
Ok then, OP lose two lbs of body fat and you've got cake and are eating it. |
^Do you drive around with a spare tire, jack, tool kit etc?
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Originally Posted by xXHotelCrazyXx
(Post 4698791)
^Do you drive around with a spare tire, jack, tool kit etc?
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If i was that concerned about weight like you are, especially over something so tiny such as spacers, (which no calibrated butt can feel), i would just shed the spare, jack, tool kit etc than...phone a friend when you call someone. Do you really do that much spirited driving to car about a few extra pounds honestly Im just curious? The C300 is a pig and by no means a fast/great handling car.
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Originally Posted by xXHotelCrazyXx
(Post 4698806)
If i was that concerned about weight like you are, especially over something so tiny such as spacers, (which no calibrated butt can feel), i would just shed the spare, jack, tool kit etc than...phone a friend when you call someone. Do you really do that much spirited driving to car about a few extra pounds honestly Im just curious? The C300 is a pig and by no means a fast/great handling car.
I won't give up my own emergency capability of a spare...personal decision, but I have spent some time and effort to improve the chassis performance of the C. While the C300 is not a "fast" car, I think "pig" overstates it, and I am ok with the powertrain capability. For me, handling is a more "elegant" capability and far outranks sheer acceleration. Clearly, the C Class is no sports car, but I've gone through changing out front and rear antisway bars, bushings, and researching tires before choosing Pilot Sport A/S Plus (another cost/benefit choice in my climate versus a summer only higher performance tire, I realize). But, now I am happier with the chassis response, which is quite good and surprisingly more neutral with the new bars, although it's not yet my ideal and I will probably consider the F30 when the next gen 3 series launches (as well as for a manual trans). I have been known to spend some extra time looping traffic circles and finding great on/off ramps just for the fun of it. |
Originally Posted by jimmythegreek
(Post 4698750)
the big thing with spacers is fitment. MB wheels are hubcentric and seat a certain way, the hub takes alot of the pressure of the road, and most spacers are just rings and pressure the bolts directly, not the hub. If your racing or rough on ur car, u want quality lugs, and hubcentric spacers for MB. Im not a fan of them, I think ur better off with proper hubcentric wheels, unless ur trying to push ur stock wheels out a little, then its a different story, u have no choice
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I agree with shedding weight on a car if your really going to use it at the track, but the reality of it is, 98% of us here, our cars will never see any kind of track. With a gross weight of around 4541 lbs, im sorry that is a pig. Its a heavy car and has very loose steering and doesnt give much feedback to the driver as far as "feeling the road goes".
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Originally Posted by xXHotelCrazyXx
(Post 4698868)
I agree with shedding weight on a car if your really going to use it at the track, but the reality of it is, 98% of us here, our cars will never see any kind of track. With a gross weight of around 4541 lbs, im sorry that is a pig. Its a heavy car and has very loose steering and doesnt give much feedback to the driver as far as "feeling the road goes".
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Curb Weight is the actual weight of the vehicle without any passengers or cargo in it. It’s the base weight that is used in subtraction to calculate the total weight of the vehicle with passengers and cargo.
Gross Vehicle Weight is the total weight of the loaded vehicle. This includes the vehicle itself and the cargo that is loaded within that vehicle. |
Gross Vehicle Weight Ratings are the ratings that are calculated by the manufacturers as to be the amount of weight that the vehicle will be when the vehicle itself is weighed filled with gasoline and loaded according to manufacturer’s specifications.
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LOL....you are right, thank you, and I realize that, having worked for one of the 3 domestic OEs. I did not know you meant the term literally, as most folks don't know the difference and sometimes use the terms loosely. But, most comparisons are made at curb weight, as gross weight is at full capability, which is not the operating mode of most vehicles most of the time. In fairness, gross weight comparisons somewhat penalize a vehicle for its capability rather than measuring how efficient it may/may not be at the more typical unladen.
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This sounds like a professor vs. student debate - you decide which is which...
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Originally Posted by Scat01
(Post 4698901)
This sounds like a professor vs. student debate - you decide which is which...
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Well the street can go both ways... Curb weight is a completely empty vehicle with no cargo, passengers or gasoline etc...The car physically cannot drive like that. So Gross weight fits better IMO because your always going to have atleast 1 person, gasoline to make it go and you figure gasoline weighs roughly about 7 lbs...either way....this is about wheel spacers and there just isnt enough physical rotational weight to possibly notice the addition of a wheel spacer.
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Originally Posted by xXHotelCrazyXx
(Post 4698913)
Well the street can go both ways... Curb weight is a completely empty vehicle with no cargo, passengers or gasoline etc...The car physically cannot drive like that. So Gross weight fits better IMO because your always going to have atleast 1 person, gasoline to make it go and you figure gasoline weights roughly about 7 lbs...either way....this is about wheel spacers and there just isnt enough physical rotational weight to possibly notice the addition of a wheel spacer.
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