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connectcctv 07-08-2004 06:04 AM

Official w204 thread - Updated 01/17/07 (Last page - Official Press Release)
 
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I have aso seen these pics in a UK mag

dmatre 07-08-2004 06:10 AM

Does anyone else find the styling of the sedan to be somewhat subdued "Bangle-ation" of the C-Class? I hope this isn't a sign of things to come for all of MB's lines.

At least the coupe doesn't suffer from the same mutilation.

amdeutsch 07-08-2004 06:10 AM

Thanx but WTLW

victor20170 07-08-2004 09:11 AM

Yep, we discussed this a while ago. We all agree it looks like a freaking Acura :mad:

MBE55AMG 07-08-2004 09:57 AM

Looks okay, but I'm not feelin' the headlights.

nexus6 07-08-2004 10:33 AM

OMG!!! What the hell is with those headlights? Jeez! The whole thing looks like it was attacked by a Bangle wanna-be! I can safely say that MB isn't getting my money when it comes time to change my C230k SS...

DAMN!! FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYY! !!!!!!

GLisella 07-08-2004 10:37 AM

I would drive it, not the coupe though.

BrabusClK04 07-08-2004 10:38 AM

wow, does look like the Acura with the Benz grill up in front. The cars are getting more boxier and boxier, i like it when the benzs are nicely curved. Seems like their is a slight fender flare on that car. I guess MB wants to make it more aggressive. Not diggin it too much :nix:

maguzma 07-08-2004 11:06 AM

That is a result when you get american car designers involved. The car looks like they took a Honda, BMW, Audi and Dodge (any small four door Dodge) and put then in a bag then shooked them up and spit out the new C-Class.

EDC320 07-08-2004 01:00 PM

If that is what it will look like, I would rather take an Acura TSX for a sharper appearance.

ML55CLA45 07-08-2004 01:36 PM

hahaha.....
 
maybe acura has infiltrated MB... and has some spies working for the 2007 c-class design team...

CitronC230K_03 07-08-2004 01:38 PM

yes it does have acura resemblance, but from those pics looks like the coupe is still around.

mctwin2kman 07-08-2004 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by CitronC230K_03
yes it does have acura resemblance, but from those pics looks like the coupe is still around.

Just because it is still around does not mean it will be in the USA. Remember that every other country on the face of the Earth has many MB's we never see here. I still wish the C30 AMG or C32 AMG Coupes would have showed up here......

You think that re-design is bad go get the latest Car and Driver and see how they killed the G-Class..... I am so dissapointed in MB's choice of the way they want to go. Maybe they have not heard that no one likes the Bangle-ised BMW's!!!!!!

Saprissa 07-08-2004 03:12 PM

Mine's almost a C32 Coupe... just keep those mods coming !!! :zoom:

CitronC230K_03 07-08-2004 03:15 PM

ive seen pics of the new G. not really sure about it. i agree that just because there are pics doenst mean it is coming to the USA. but from a thread i read before i took it as meaning the coupe was going for good, not that it wasnt coming to the US shores.

Shohoku 07-08-2004 03:49 PM

Looking at the 07 C class pictures, im definitely not going to wait for the new c class and go right on ahead to purchase the 05 c230. :y

CitronC230K_03 07-08-2004 04:06 PM

lol, im not too fond of the look i hope its more of a spy shot then what the real thing will look like.

prodigy1387 07-08-2004 04:19 PM

it looks like they're trying to make it look really really aggressive. to a degree, they're successful on that front.

i don't think it's as bangle-esque as many have made it out to be - it's not as horrendous as the new 7, 6, 5, and Z4 bmws IMHO.

i do think the coupe's rear end looks better compared with the current coupes.

overall, i'm indifferent. maybe it'll grow on us. the coupe grew on me, i hated it at first hah; i now own one.

Guest0001 07-08-2004 04:24 PM

REPOST! :zoom:

prodigy1387 07-08-2004 04:34 PM

repost? :confused:

CitronC230K_03 07-08-2004 04:53 PM

i never liked the taillights of the coupe but loved the rest of the car. i fixed that with the 2005 tails. i agree with prodigy1387, i do like the new rear end of the coupe.

HITMAN 07-08-2004 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by prodigy1387
repost? :confused:

Yes someone posted the pics along time ago and we have already talked about them :rolleyes:

preyx 07-08-2004 08:47 PM

At least they didn't give it to the latest BMW designers... :crazy:

LATE EDIT: Looks like someone was WAY ahead of me... http://www.petitiononline.com/STOPCB/petition.html

HITMAN 07-08-2004 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by preyx
At least they didn't give it to the latest BMW designers... :crazy:

LATE EDIT: Looks like someone was WAY ahead of me... http://www.petitiononline.com/STOPCB/petition.html

LOL i am on that list somewhere :)

CitronC230K_03 07-08-2004 11:02 PM

im on there too

prodigy1387 07-08-2004 11:06 PM

me three...i just signed it actually, i'm number 10,172 :rolf:

Sincity 07-08-2004 11:22 PM

Arghh.....when did Chris Bangle leave BMW and joined MBZ?

Sauceboy01 08-05-2004 11:10 PM

dont like it.. :-(

David N. 08-05-2004 11:27 PM

You know what's funny? All the guys on the bimmer boards are saying how they are so digusted by bangles designs that they are going to switch to MB. After these pics make their way over there, I doubt they'll want an MB either. :D :lol

As for the car itself, it looks like crap. It must be a photoshop. It's still too early to know for sure what the real car will look like. MB needs to evolve the current design, not change it completely. These pics represent a change that is as radical as the 202 to 203 change. Not necessary IMHO.

David.

YeeHaw 08-06-2004 02:47 AM

I dunno car designs in general switch from curvy to sharp edges back to curvy and then back again.......actually looks ok except for the eyelids for the headlights....


its more acuraesque than bmwish

CitronC230K_03 08-06-2004 10:44 AM

id like to see an evolution of the current design as well rather than a complete make-over.

prodigy1387 08-06-2004 11:05 AM

i highly doubt that's the next c-class. i was noticing, if you look at the picture of the coupe convertible, the frame around the door window is still present on the part near the windshield, but MB never puts frames on the door windows of convertibles.

Benzonline 08-06-2004 11:08 AM

the interior is like the bimmers! Especially the doors :wwf:

mick1 08-06-2004 11:36 AM

hehe. maybe the european designers figured that they got to go with the ugly looks to make their cars more distinctive looking since the japanese luxury car manufacturers have already copied their standard designs.

CitronC230K_03 08-06-2004 12:12 PM

that's the road cadillac has gone down. just the ugly looks in general.
:hammer:

Incendiary 08-08-2004 10:55 PM

I really hope these are not accurate... Autobild did a pretty good job with the spy pics of the upcoming E90, though.

S_kLaSse 08-09-2004 12:27 AM

WOW... the grill on the first pic is so HUUUGGEEEE..

DiamondNoir2K5 08-22-2004 04:57 AM

So has anyone seen any other alleged spy photos of w204? To my eye, the photos, especially the 4D one at the top, look pretty sharp and not-photoshopped, but what do I know.

HITMAN 08-22-2004 05:01 AM

The w204 better be good

DiamondNoir2K5 08-22-2004 05:11 AM

Having just bought a 2005 w203, I kind of hope it is not. :crazy:

I would have expected that seeing a w204 spy photo would make me say, "Sh*t, the w203 I just bought sucks, I really want that w204!!!" But those pics don't! Can't say the new look really does much for me.

Of course, I suppose a lot will obviously change in the design between now and mid-2006. I hope they bring back some curvaceous-ness to the hood that currently sets MB apart from other cars. The flattened hood in the w204 pics (and the ridgeline running along the door handles on each side) make it look kind of the like the bmw e90 pics that are out there.

Guest0001 08-23-2004 03:02 AM


Originally Posted by HITMAN
The w204 better be good

Yep. It has to be an aesthetic masterpeice for me to trade my car for a W204. It will be tough to out due the classic 203 lines IMO. We will see...

DiamondNoir2K5 08-23-2004 03:34 AM

The w204 photo might look more "futuristic", but to me it doesn't look "better" than w203. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

FIXEDupW209 08-23-2004 03:40 AM

a lil old but the coupe kinda looks like a TL from the back. i like the tl's looks so it all works out.

Tandrek 08-23-2004 08:22 PM

It's an Acura TL with a MB Grill... hardly a revolutionary design. I do think it looks much better than the current POS C230 Coupe due to the hideous back on the current model. Depending on the ride quality, luxury amenities, and interior... I may purchase one.

Sauceboy01 08-23-2004 08:58 PM

anyone have any updated/newer shots of the potential W204?

-Danny

vadim 08-23-2004 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by Tandrek
It's an Acura TL with a MB Grill... hardly a revolutionary design. I do think it looks much better than the current POS C230 Coupe due to the hideous back on the current model. Depending on the ride quality, luxury amenities, and interior... I may purchase one.

Better buy a Buick - rest assured, it will never be "hideously" out ot ordinary.

Tandrek 08-24-2004 12:42 AM


Originally Posted by vadim
Better buy a Buick - rest assured, it will never be "hideously" out ot ordinary.

Great logic you've got there, chief. If I tell you that I like the new CLK500, will you tell me to marry it?! :wall:

nicedeboy 08-24-2004 01:27 AM

If its going to come, its going to come! LOL Get use to it or move on.

Incendiary 08-24-2004 02:04 AM

Is the new W204 C-class going to have convertibles as part of its line-up, like the BMW 3-series and Audi A4 line-ups do? If so, does that mean the CLK line is going to be scrapped? :nix:

Tandrek 08-24-2004 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Incendiary
Is the new W204 C-class going to have convertibles as part of its line-up, like the BMW 3-series and Audi A4 line-ups do?


HakkinenL 10-11-2004 11:02 AM

W204 arrives in 2007?
 
I found this article on the web:
http://motoring.iafrica.com/newsbriefs/338511.htm

It says production of W204 will not start before year 2007.

If this is true, it would be good news for those who just bought their car.
At least we can enjoy it longer before it becomes outdated.

MCONDE01 10-11-2004 11:34 AM

Can't get to it...
 
Am I doing something wrong or what?.....Everytime I go to read the article and click on your link this comes up "The page cannot be displayed"...I would like to read this article since I am about to get my 2005 c230 ss... :wall:

HakkinenL 10-11-2004 11:46 AM

Ok, here is the article.

Mon, 11 Oct 2004

SA Merc talks held in Germany
Posted Fri, 30 Jul 2004

Top DaimlerChrysler management are meeting in Stuttgart on Friday to hammer out production details for the replacement model C-Class Mercedes Benz dubbed the W204.

Although production on the W204 will not start before 2007 details of which Mercedes Benz plants will be responsible for what models and volumes are being hammered out, DaimlerChrysler South Africa spokesperson Deon Ebersohn said on Thursday.

The meeting was adjourned late on Thursday and is to resume on Friday and an announcement is expected to be made regarding details of the new model.

Ebersohn on Tuesday said East London, along with plants in Bremen and Sindelfingen in Germany, would be building the new C-Class.

Discussions in Stuttgart on Friday, involving East London plant manager Hans-Georg Neiffer, centre on volumes and markets for the new model.

The East London plant has been and will be manufacturing all the current W203 right-hand drive C-Class models.

Ebersohn said on Thursday that apart from volume and markets Neiffer is there to discuss the East London's plant's flexibility.

"We have to find a way to get the East London operation more flexibility so it can fit into Mercedes Benz's global network.

"If the situation were to remain the same the plant here would get all the right-hand drive new models.

"This would represent a slight production increase as expectations are that the W204 is going to be such a good model that it is going to be more desirable.

"But the wish list is to get some of the left-hand drive models as well."

Although no specific markets would be discussed at this round of talks, South Africa would be able to reap the benefits of the United States' African Growth and Opportunities Act if it made cars for the US market.

Expectations are high at DCSA's Pretoria headquarters in this regard and if the left-hand drive production gets the nod far greater volumes would be expected for the local plant resulting in further growth in the region due to expansion by component manufacturers and new ones moving in.

The factory has received praise from its head office for build quality and efficiency during the current lifespan of the W203 model which is something that has raised expectations in terms of increased volumes.

Sapa

MCONDE01 10-11-2004 11:52 AM

thanks
 
thanks / :y

mick1 10-11-2004 11:53 AM

the spy pics of the 2007 c-class from autobild.de don't look so good though. I hope the 2007 c-class doesn't look like that.

HakkinenL 10-11-2004 12:07 PM

I think it is just a matter of time before we accept it and like it.

So does everyone feels W204 is only out in 2007?

d2cool 10-11-2004 03:54 PM

oh my god, the w204 better don't look like that, it can not be! well by then, im moving on to a CLK55 anyways but i feel sorry for people that will be buying it, i dont even care about the stats of the car if it has such a look!! Well, the car will be released sometime in august of 2006 such as it was the case with the new SLK, its a 2005 model, but its already out.

http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/50079.jpg http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/50078.jpg http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/50074.jpg

COUPE
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/50075.jpg http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/50076.jpg

COUPE CONVERTIBLE (SOFT TOP), ewww
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/50077.jpg

THIS IS A HORIBLE CAR, I GUESS THE BEER FINALLY GOT TO THE GERMANS!

http://autobild.de/suche/artikel.php?artikel_id=6182#

CitronC230K_03 10-11-2004 09:47 PM

honestly the more i see those pics they are growing on me. especially that coupe! :y

Saprissa 10-11-2004 10:24 PM

it's going to take a bit longer for me to get used to those... I'll be definitely done with the C-Class by then... it's AMG for sure, next time !

and really, would you prefer a W204 built in SOUTH AFRICA over one built in GERMANY ? :nix:

miroj 10-11-2004 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by Saprissa
it's going to take a bit longer for me to get used to those... I'll be definitely done with the C-Class by then... it's AMG for sure, next time !

and really, would you prefer a W204 built in SOUTH AFRICA over one built in GERMANY ? :nix:

I dont think W203 for RHD is built in Germany anyway so what difference does it make to the rest of us.

Saprissa 10-11-2004 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by miroj
I dont think W203 for RHD is built in Germany anyway so what difference does it make to the rest of us.

none.

HakkinenL 10-12-2004 06:07 AM

Anyway, i guess we don't have much choice, since S.A already got the deal to produce the W204.

You guys are luckier, from where i come, the price of cars are double as compared to USA, plus those cars are not even from S.A or Germany, they were assembled local.

MBenzNL 10-12-2004 07:54 AM

The W204 C-class is already enabled in my stardiagnose...cn't take that long anymore for the cars to be seen every now and then...

greetingz,

c230oakland 10-14-2004 11:42 AM

wow the front starting to look like a honda accord! =P

mick1 11-22-2004 02:49 AM

Official w204 thread - Updated 9/21/06
 
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in this pic from autospies.com, the front end looks much better than the computer-generated pic from autobild.de

more at http://autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=3654

vraa 11-22-2004 03:05 AM

That looks kinda cheap.
By the way, that's also a computer generated picture.

DiamondNoir2K5 11-22-2004 03:08 AM

Definitely Photoshop. Don't take it as any indication of what the W204 will look like. The S-Class W221 is due out way before the W204, and yet there are still no legit spy shots of it without heavy stealth cladding. W204 is probably not even being tested in public yet. There's no way in hell they let the marketing people take PR photos of it yet.

mick1 11-22-2004 03:17 AM

you guys are probably right. the headlights in this pic, they resemble the ones from the slk350, don't you think ? I don't like the mb grill on the autobild.de pic. it looks too big. the one on this pic is okay.

Sauceboy01 11-22-2004 04:09 AM

look at the fogs.. almost looks like an IS300

Guest0001 11-22-2004 04:50 AM

What the hell is that?

mick1 11-22-2004 05:20 AM

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autospies.com got the pic from this german car magazine.

Outland 11-22-2004 07:15 AM

Autospies sucks. Where's the major scoop...they sub to a few euro mags, and then repost crappy quality scans on the AS site.

These guys have jumped the shark. There own smugness lately I find intolerable.

amdeutsch 11-22-2004 07:34 AM

What do you expect from AS. Afterall they sold out to advertisers. Plus most of the time the respective forums already have this info posted.

Jon200 11-22-2004 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by vraa
That looks kinda cheap.
By the way, that's also a computer generated picture.

agreed, i m sure there will be changes made to the front grille

r_liebo 11-22-2004 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Outland
Autospies sucks. Where's the major scoop...they sub to a few euro mags, and then repost crappy quality scans on the AS site.

These guys have jumped the shark. There own smugness lately I find intolerable.

Yeah, really disappointing what has happened to Autospies. I used to love that site's weekly newsletter. Now most of the "articles" are just advertisers, and there are fewer and fewer helpful shots or scoops (been quite a while since secret dealer incentives and residuals were posted here). They've even started posting photoshop renditions from some of their own readers (like I care what Joe Blow's photoshop of a BMW 7 series looks like).

Still it is worth a glance since it is a gathering place for all the latest info from various automakers.

Tariq 11-28-2004 06:59 AM

The New 2007 W204 C Class ..
 
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It just closet to the real one....

still am not sure if its like this..

if that then its :y

Guest0001 11-28-2004 07:57 AM

I have a mixed reaction toward this. I think it looks very nice, but on the other hand it does not look like an MB. I think they should go evolution and keep the round lights. W203 has a more classic and timeless look to it.

Compare to these pics, they look similar

https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...ght=2007+class

Jon200 11-28-2004 08:09 AM

I like it

mick1 11-28-2004 12:34 PM

Very Nice !

wblynch 11-28-2004 12:56 PM

Looks too Japanese, especially with those Camry headlights.

The wagon looks too much like a Chrysler Pacifica.

coconutpolito 11-28-2004 01:28 PM

Hey did they change the design. I remember seeing pictures before and I always felt it looked like an Acura. But this one, damn, I like it.

czachari 11-28-2004 01:43 PM

I don't like the front in the 1st 2 pics.
 
I like the back. The front in the last pic is also more agreeable. Actually it looks like a bangle front. The 1st 2 fronts look just like the camry/lexus POS fronts.


CZ

jmartinacevedo 11-28-2004 02:01 PM

I Like It!
 
It looks like a cross between a S-Class and an W211. IMO better looking than the upcoming BMW E90. :y

M-

DropdaChalupa 11-28-2004 02:14 PM

I really like it, only complaint is that they better hold off on making the headlights any bigger or it will look as ugly as the Lexus ES class. Points that I like, they are going with the current "trend" in making the side windows smaller vertically and sloping the door lines down to make it look more agressive. The rear doesn't look as stale as the current model and goes with more of their higher end models. It seems as though they are doing what BMW did and redoing the entire line in a similar look.

OceanView 11-28-2004 02:22 PM

Looks like there are some CLS influences there.
Will have to see it when it comes out but I think it looks good.

vadim 11-28-2004 02:38 PM

Look closer - the sedan is not even the same car on different pictures. These are graphic art renditions once again.

mick1 11-28-2004 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by wblynch
Looks too Japanese, especially with those Camry headlights.

The wagon looks too much like a Chrysler Pacifica.

i thought the headlights looked like they came from the slk350. anyway, I like it. I would trade the 2005 in for the 2007 when the time comes.

nlpamg 11-28-2004 09:11 PM

wow, these "pictures" are now getting me to like it! it looks pretty good in these pics. I'm starting to imagine how the new C55 will look. Hopefully in late 2007, I'll have the ends to trade in my '05 C230k for the big boi '08 55 AMG.

:y

mick1 11-28-2004 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by nlpamg
wow, these "pictures" are now getting me to like it! it looks pretty good in these pics. I'm starting to imagine how the new C55 will look. Hopefully in late 2007, I'll have the ends to trade in my '05 C230k for the big boi '08 55 AMG.

:y

don't you think the car in the pics looks a little bigger than our cars ? :)

nlpamg 11-28-2004 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by mick1
don't you think the car in the pics looks a little bigger than our cars ? :)

yeah, it does look bigger, but I'm banking on the fact that they're just renditions or spy pics for now or that they have angles that make them look large.

it does look very cls ish though... good stuff. can't wait to see actual pics and official stuff from mb, but it'll make our w203's drop in price. :hammer:

Sauceboy01 11-29-2004 02:10 AM

looks like renditions, but that loooks KILLER!

Rick 11-29-2004 05:54 AM

these look like renderings for the next E class....not C

the wheel base looks longer, the headlights are more like modified S then SLK...and the last sedan pic is old news - faked and shopped by some British car mag

moa4r 11-29-2004 08:52 AM

if the next c-class looks like that :y , very nice, looks like a mini CLS. I'd be surprised if they use this design, though, bcs the c usually looks like a baby s-class, but you never know :nix:

CitronC230K_03 11-29-2004 01:40 PM

kinda looks like a CLS. :confused:

Guest0001 11-29-2004 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by CitronC230K_03
kinda looks like a CLS. :confused:

CLS is gorgous man :D

Sauceboy01 11-29-2004 07:19 PM

the next gen benz designs will all be derived from CLS design.

I can guarantee you that much ;)

nlpamg 11-29-2004 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by Sauceboy01
the next gen benz designs will all be derived from CLS design.

I can guarantee you that much ;)

I'm not a big fan of the CLS, but I do like this rendition of the 2007 C-Class. I HATE the way the sloped back looks. I think this generation of C and S-Class has the best looking behind out of any generation. Oh well, back that ass up!

Guest0001 11-29-2004 08:34 PM

I love the CLS because its a nice experiment and doesnt replace anything in the MB line up. ITs different than other MB models and its overall distintictive. However if they make design all their cars with CLS cues it will dilute the original power the CLS currently has. When everything looks the same it gets boring.

gaiex 11-30-2004 09:01 PM

And the engines will be:

petrol:

c250 2.5 204bhp
c300 3.0 231bhp
c350 3.5 258bhp
c55 AMG 5.5 v8 >400bhp

diesel:
c180 2.0 CDI 150bhp
c200 2.0 CDI 177bhp
c220 2.2 CDI 204bhp (the same as a 320CDI!!! the 2005 c220 version have 150bhp :hammer: ) :crazy:

And will also exist a hybrid model!!!

mick1 11-30-2004 10:48 PM

i sure hope mercedes will continue to offer manual transmissions on these new models.

markseven 11-30-2004 11:06 PM

Wow! That is one tough looking ride; definitly better than the E90.

-Mark

ernster 12-01-2004 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by markseven
Wow! That is one tough looking ride; definitly better than the E90.

-Mark

On the first set of pic i like the middle car. That sedan looks really nice. plus if you look hard you can tell that it has the same windows as the CLK. There is no bar in between. really cool

rockintunes23 12-01-2004 08:38 AM

I really like the new benz... looks like a car with attidude. Get out of my way now and make way for me. haha Atleast it doesn't look like a sad panda bear like the current C Class does now.

toki999 12-01-2004 01:16 PM

body shape seems almost like Lexus, and the light shape looks sharp...i like the aggressiveness, wagon ....i don't really care for...

overall, nice...

nlpamg 12-01-2004 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by rockintunes23
I really like the new benz... looks like a car with attidude. Get out of my way now and make way for me. haha Atleast it doesn't look like a sad panda bear like the current C Class does now.

"sad panda bear" :rolf: I never thought of it that way.

I think my w203 has more "personality" and looks much more "muscular" than my old w202 though, but I never associated them with animals...

I love the curves of the w203, and if they can just keep adding to the agressiveness with the upcoming model, that would be awesome!

Verb04 12-01-2004 08:46 PM

I cant wait till it comes out. Its going to be great!! I wonder what type of engine they will be using. I hope they get rid of that garbage 1.8L junk. Im sure they will do the 3.5 on the new C350.

vadim 12-01-2004 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by Verb04
I cant wait till it comes out. Its going to be great!! I wonder what type of engine they will be using. I hope they get rid of that garbage 1.8L junk. Im sure they will do the 3.5 on the new C350.

Hmm... Wait till gas prices hit $4/gallon. Then you will be begging for that 1.8L engine :):):) MB will certainly keep low-displacement engines in their lineup, as in Europe not only fuel is expensive, but vehicles get taxed based on engine displacement.

Then again - even now, you are not forced to buy the 1.8L, are you? And what exactly makes it "garbage junk"? It is better in every respect than your 2.6L V6.

Verb04 12-08-2004 01:24 AM

I agree, the 2.6L is got to be the worst Engine I have ever driven. Alot worse then the 1.8K. But when I was ready to purchase my car the 1.8K was not out yet. (09-02) I just can't beleive that MB downgraded from a 2.3K to a 1.8K. I really hope they do something about it with the W204. Thats it. Look at the compeition. 2.0T,(Sabb, Audi) 2.5T (Volvo)

Guest0001 12-08-2004 01:28 AM

2.6 is indeed horribly slow. 1.8 is almost as torqueless and uninspiring, but still decent. I liked the 2.3, Even though it sounded the worst and was unrefined, it had great power. I even now consider my 3.2 to be average. I need something with atleast 270 horses next time. the 350 should be wonderful, but its too late I need a V8.

gaiex 12-08-2004 08:35 AM

The 350 engine is now available in the E class here in Europe!

Oil Change 01-03-2005 03:24 PM

I LOVE that coupe.
And what the hell is Acura by the way? I heard that name before... but can't remember the car. Will google it now.

TNblkc230wz 01-03-2005 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by Oil Change
I LOVE that coupe.
And what the hell is Acura by the way? I heard that name before... but can't remember the car. Will google it now.

Oil Change, not sure where you are, but Acura's are premium Hondas sold in North America and perhaps elsewhere. The Honda Integra is an Acura RSX in the US.

TNblkc230wz 01-03-2005 08:54 PM

Yes, I see a little Bangle in this car. I like the coupe better than sedan. Hopefully the headlights will be different than the drawings.

BeaverMjr 01-04-2005 12:27 PM

the c204 coupe
 
I've got to say that I kind of like the coupe. I must say though that they seriously need to keep the round headlights. That in my mind is a Mercedes signature. Also, they need to work on the tail lights. Maybe they could soften them like they did with the 05 tail lights.

I just hope the redesigned headlights are not accurate and that this is photoshopped or an early test car.

milkpowder 01-06-2005 03:03 AM

I sincerely hope that those designs were photoshopped (which they are) and not the actual designs because quite frankly, they look hideous. The interior is bangled, the exterior is full of sharp lines, the car(s) has/have lost its/their elegance and the rear of the C coupe looks strange (the tailights need to go!). They will need a long time to get used to although I have faith that MB would never do anything too radical :rolleyes:. They should continue with the current C design because it looks really nice!

vadim 01-06-2005 03:08 AM


Originally Posted by milkpowder
I sincerely hope that those designs were photoshopped (which they are) and not the actual designs because quite frankly, they look hideous. The interior is bangled, the exterior is full of sharp lines, the car(s) has/have lost its/their elegance and the rear of the C coupe looks strange (the tailights need to go!). They will need a long time to get used to although I have faith that MB would never do anything too radical :rolleyes:. They should continue with the current C design because it looks really nice!

agree 100%!!! I have a feeling, though, that these are pilot variants that have been let sip through to the [online] press to study the intial public reaction.

Incendiary 01-06-2005 01:35 PM

When a design looks good, as the current crop of MB vehicles demonstrate, evolution in design is preferable.

When a design looks bad, as the current crop of new BMW vehicles demonstrate, revolution in design is preferable. :hammer:

I'm not sure I like the direction MB is taking with the spy shots and photochops of exterior and interior styling I've seen. Look kinda like an amalgam of BMW and Japanese styling in all the wrong places.

BeaverMjr 01-06-2005 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by milkpowder
The interior is bangled...

what do you mean by bangled?

Outland 01-06-2005 11:32 PM


Originally Posted by Incendiary
Is the new W204 C-class going to have convertibles as part of its line-up, like the BMW 3-series and Audi A4 line-ups do? If so, does that mean the CLK line is going to be scrapped? :nix:

The CLK is already an overpriced C-Coupe.

Outland 01-06-2005 11:39 PM


Originally Posted by mctwin2kman
Just because it is still around does not mean it will be in the USA. Remember that every other country on the face of the Earth has many MB's we never see here. I still wish the C30 AMG or C32 AMG Coupes would have showed up here......

Just change your sig to match mine now. MBUSA is bunch of ****ing old conservatives. Its AMAZING the Coupe ever got into the country with this lot in charge.



You think that re-design is bad go get the latest Car and Driver and see how they killed the G-Class..... I am so dissapointed in MB's choice of the way they want to go. Maybe they have not heard that no one likes the Bangle-ised BMW's!!!!!!
Couldn't agree more!!! The old G-Class is supposedly selling like hotcakes, most because of its absurd appearance. I like it myself, but the new one is ****! I really hope this pictures a joke, or some sort of MB testing the waters. Nasty.... Really Really Really sad when a storied company like MB COPIES a turd pile brand like Acura.

Incendiary 01-07-2005 12:11 AM

C30 and C32 AMG coupes?

milkpowder 01-07-2005 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BeaverMjr
what do you mean by bangled?

Look at the center instrument/aircon/whatever-you-call-that-bit and you'll see how "contourless" it is compared to the recent beautiful designs like the CLS and the SLK. I'm not a big fan of straight lines and would prefer some sort of curvy alternative to the ones pictured. Another example is the door design. It's now all straight (I do like the speaker arrangement though!!!) and Wouldn't it seem strange for MB to suddenly change their direction: from curves to straight lines? Maybe they think it's time for the brand to move on (exactly what CBangle thought of BMW) :nix: I don't know, but whatever happens we will only have to make do with it and like I said before, MB would never do something stupid. Only time can tell. Actually, I've gotten a bit more used to the interior design and it's not THAT bad :), but I still think the exterior is far from "seductive".

wblynch 01-07-2005 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by BeaverMjr
what do you mean by bangled?

"Bangled", a play on "mangled".

Mr. Bangle is the idiot behind the new BMW designs.

BeaverMjr 01-07-2005 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by wblynch
"Bangled", a play on "mangled".

Mr. Bangle is the idiot behind the new BMW designs.


Thanks much. It all makes sence now. Mecedes is changing the look of the cars not for the better and we all think, they are foolish for doin this. The curvy lines we have come to expect are being tossed by the way side for sharper angles like those on the Z4 roadster. personally I am not impressed with the new look. I know I posted earlier in this thread that I liked it, but that was before I had a chance to look it over and let it sink in.

Does anyone have any information as to whether these pictures are just being floated to get initial reaction? If those pictures are just early ideas, we need to write MB and let them know that we, an MB owning group, do not like the new proposed design.

Incendiary 01-07-2005 05:04 PM

I don't want to discourage you from writing their corporate headquarters, but unfortunately, they probably don't care as much about what current MB owners think as what the general public thinks. It's the same tack BMW took. And JD Power had a report some time ago about how cars that are controversial attract more attention from the press and therefore more public attention, which tends to translate into improved sales, than blander or more conservative designs.

I, too, would prefer the curvy and sleek designs MB has now, with some evolutionary touches. But if MB goes a different direction in design, make sure to vote with your wallet. :beat:

milkpowder 01-07-2005 09:30 PM

Good point. I'm not so sure whether they actually don't care about our views, but it is fair enough that out of the ordinary designs do attract more press, talk and therefore curious customers. However, many people still buy cars by their looks. My mom thinks the Carrera GT and the New XJ look good and would therefore go and buy them (if we had the money :rolleyes: ) not for performance, but for looks and looks only. That's just my mom, so I can't say the same applies to the general public. However, controversial and ugly are CAN be two things. Ugly cars deter people while controversial AND handsome cars are alluring to those curious bunch. Take Lamborghini, their Murcielago is far from ordinary. It looks like nothing before. However, it does look very nice so well-heeled customers by them. I know that Lambo and MB are two different worlds, but this is my point: People expect Lambo to be the exotic make that produces radical designs, but they do not expect MB to come up with bizarre designs and therefore might be put off by them. Anyway, we'll let them do what they think is right.

Jim Banville 01-08-2005 10:22 AM

You guy's are funny. MB's have almost always been all straight lines and angular, with very few exceptions. I would have NEVER even considered the previous C class due to it's boxy, boring look. Only since 2000 has MB made their designs "curvy" and created their "signature" dual round headlights.

mctwin2kman 01-08-2005 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by Jim Banville
You guy's are funny. MB's have almost always been all straight lines and angular, with very few exceptions. I would have NEVER even considered the previous C class due to it's boxy, boring look. Only since 2000 has MB made their designs "curvy" and created their "signature" dual round headlights.

Yep considering how boxy and straight lined the previous Baby Benz and the rest of the lineup have been in the past. Look at the W201 and the W202 alone. Nothing became rounded until 1998ish time. And the lights were rectangular on most models. Although this does look a litttle too much like an Acura!

mick1 01-08-2005 12:51 PM

me, I was not into the Mercedes-Benzes in the past because I liked the looks of the BMWs better. Then came the Bangle designs. Now, I like Mercedes-Benzes better than BMWs.

Incendiary 01-08-2005 01:09 PM

True, they were more boxy before, but so were cars in general. But here we are now, and it would suck to keep flopping back and forth, don't you think? Better from here on out to keep things evolutionary, as they were in the past.

mctwin2kman 01-08-2005 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by Incendiary
C30 and C32 AMG coupes?

In Europe they have C32 AMG Sport Coupe's and the C30 CDI Turbo Diesel AMG Sport Coupe. The C30 has 225+ HP and over 400 Ft/lbs of tourque!

Incendiary 01-08-2005 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by mctwin2kman
In Europe they have C32 AMG Sport Coupe's and the C30 CDI Turbo Diesel AMG Sport Coupe. The C30 has 225+ HP and over 400 Ft/lbs of tourque!

Still? Didn't see it on the German MB site...

mctwin2kman 01-08-2005 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by Incendiary
Still? Didn't see it on the German MB site...

I think it was a special order on in Germany! I do not recall, it was in 2003.

Edit: Do a search for it!

Outland 01-08-2005 08:44 PM

The C32 Coupe was even in one of the MBAMG catalogs and screensavers for 02 and 03. The C30 has been featured prominently in several magazine articles, as the C30 was initially a Coupe only machine. I'd love one. C'mon MBUSA, stop being so chicken****.

Incendiary 01-09-2005 03:49 AM


Originally Posted by mctwin2kman
I think it was a special order on in Germany! I do not recall, it was in 2003.

Edit: Do a search for it!

A search for it here or on the MB site?

mctwin2kman 01-09-2005 10:22 AM

ON this site! It was talked about here in great detail and there were plenty of pictures of it.

amdeutsch 02-24-2005 08:06 PM

W204 testing pics
 
Can't really tell anything but I thought I'd post them anyway.

http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64770.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64771.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64772.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64773.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64774.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64775.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64776.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64777.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64778.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64779.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64780.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64781.jpg
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/64782.jpg

Jim Banville 02-24-2005 08:16 PM

That looks as good as the actual car! Sad :(

Outland 02-24-2005 08:35 PM

I was thinking better. Pretty obvious the round lights are gone. See ya benz! Its been fun!

rockintunes23 02-24-2005 08:55 PM

With that crap on it, looks like a tank. LOL

vadim 02-24-2005 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by Outland
I was thinking better. Pretty obvious the round lights are gone. See ya benz! Its been fun!

Now that every car manufacturer has switched to projectors, round lenses are out of fashion. I doubt they will last long on CL, CLK and SL.

Outland 02-24-2005 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by vadim
Now that every car manufacturer has switched to projectors, round lenses are out of fashion. I doubt they will last long on CL, CLK and SL.

More reason to keep them IMHO then. As soon as MB starts being like everyone else, they are done. The quality isn't there anymore, nor do they have the market to themselves anymore. I would have prefered to see a round of cars with the stacked and oval light treatment ala the 50's/60's SL's and sedans. They did the side by sides together enough. I think the fission lights on the sedans were the worst attempt at this. And the S Class ligths.

Rick 02-24-2005 10:03 PM

I'm guessing this car is a 4matic from the snow kicking off the front wheels in photos 3, 4 and 8....so it looks like they S-classed the headlights, CLS'd the b-pillar back and kept a few lines from the current C-dan... Is that an intercooler below the license plate? I'd like to C more without the Cladding...but I guess time will tell when Sindelfingen is ready.

YeeHaw 02-24-2005 10:56 PM

Well at least we know it can make a U-turn....and man it looks armored maybe its the C Class Guard version :duh:

As for the round headlights, the industry will prob shift to LED headlights eventually which would allow greater flexibilty in front end design. Kinda like the shift from the sealed headlight units of the 80s to the plastic lens/seperate bulb set up we have now.

MCONDE01 02-24-2005 11:02 PM

Loomis Fargo / Brinks / Mercedes Benz
 
I know it's early and you can't tell jack from those pics but those photos just made me feel a lot better about my recent purchase....can't wait to see the naked pics when they come out... :zoom:

WaveyKat 02-24-2005 11:24 PM

nice bullet holes lol :zoom:

elchinocache 02-25-2005 12:03 AM

Holly shnikees batman, someone stole the batmobile

blkc230k 02-25-2005 12:07 AM

are thos some type of bullet proof case?!

nukblazi 02-25-2005 01:20 AM

looks like MB hired mr. bungle

inFiniTE LooP 02-25-2005 02:24 AM

yea, i dont mind them on the bmw, but not a benz, for god's sake not on a benz!

richardsayzz 02-25-2005 03:42 AM

i dont like it so far....but maybe it will look a lot better naked

PsssTkiD 02-25-2005 10:59 AM

as for the round lights.....they changed it because Hyundai has them also....if u take the mb badge off......people would think you have a Hyundai...lol

im not liking the rear. . . as in the picture, it looks like the nissan maxima....but iono....to me, it looks like it is.... but we'll see the real ones :D

CitronC230K_03 02-25-2005 11:54 AM

they really have it disguised well!

rockintunes23 02-25-2005 05:19 PM

Even with that crap on it, The headlights are what it reminds me of with an Acura. Can anyone say, knock off? Looks like the designers at Benz took the headlights from them.

Outland 02-25-2005 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by rockintunes23
Even with that crap on it, The headlights are what it reminds me of with an Acura. Can anyone say, knock off? Looks like the designers at Benz took the headlights from them.

If you look at the shopped pics(go search), its very acura looking. The ass is horrible as well. Pretty lame!

Oil Change 02-25-2005 06:41 PM

thats BMW or Mercedes?! looks more like a bmw

EricTheRed 03-10-2005 10:30 AM

2007-08 W204 in Armadillo skin
 
Has anyone else seen this article?
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=8250

This is the very first sighting of the 2008 Mercedes C-Class and although it's heavily disguised, the timing is significant - indicating the W204 (as it's known by its internal codename) is right on schedule.

The next generation C-Class will arrive in the 2007 calendar year, followed twelve months later by the wagon version. And although it's hard to tell from these pictures, the new C-Class is expected to be much sportier and no longer just a downsized S-Class, but a more modern Benz which hope to gain the attention of younger and less conservative buyers.

The rear-wheel-drive sedan will be the first powered with Benz' KDI EVT (electronic valvetrain without camshafts; supercharged and direct-injected) engines, and will incorporate other new technologies including the third-generation 4Matic all-wheel-drive system.

But as independent and modern as the new C-Class looks, it will be sharing even more component-wise with E- and S-Class models.

ctC230K 03-10-2005 10:43 AM

repost times eleventy billion

silberrosa 03-23-2005 08:48 AM

Next Generation C-Class
 
www.detnews.com/2005/autosconsumer/0503/23/G03-118301.htm From the Detroit News

nicedeboy 03-23-2005 11:09 AM

This topic has already been chatted about. Its coming out the end of this year and someone needs to inform that website, that they ARE WRONG.

ctC230K 03-23-2005 11:18 AM

repost like woah

silberrosa 03-23-2005 03:35 PM

The new engines are coming this year. Not the new C-Class. What does it take to convince??

respdoc 03-23-2005 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by silberrosa
The new engines are coming this year. Not the new C-Class. What does it take to convince??

The 350..yes, we know..The only thing that I am convinced of is you have no idea on how to search the forum.. :rolleyes:

CitronC230K_03 03-23-2005 04:06 PM

mbspy timeline says W204 is to be released in 2006 as a 2007 model.

i never read or heard anything about the W204 being released this year.

http://www.mbspy.com/roadmap.htm

YeeHaw 03-24-2005 02:54 AM

The car is expected to go on sale at U.S. dealers later in the year as a 2008 model

I found that funny...doesnt even make sense, so in 2006 we'll be getting 2015 cars...amazing the advances in automotive technology

abcd 03-24-2005 04:48 AM

"Mercedes-Benz is preparing a ground-up redesign of its compact C-Class model line, beginning with an all-new sedan that's due to arrive in Europe in spring 2007. The car is expected to go on sale at U.S. dealers later in the year as a 2008 model."

Later in the year refers to later in the year 2007 if one were to take that sentence into context properly.

jrct9454 03-24-2005 04:05 PM

The W204 is due to be released in mid-2007 in Europe, Sept-Oct '07 here, designated as 2008 models.

Look, this ain't rocket science, and hardly qualifies as big news - MB has these cars on a 7-year cycle. The W203 appeared mid-year 2000 in the EU, and came here in October of 2000 as a 2001 model. Sounds like they are right on schedule to me.

In the meantime, the W203 gets its final kicker in the fall in the form of the new 4-valve V6 engine family - no more 4 cylinders for our market. Even the entry-level car is going to be over 200 hp. The C350 will be terrific, of course, but vastly overpriced like the top-of-the-line always is. Since the W203 is now pretty well sorted out, the time from Oct '05 until the introduction of the new car seems like a good time to buy if you don't need to be the first on your block with the new body.

CitronC230K_03 03-24-2005 04:48 PM

im just chiming in what i read. some of you need to simmer down.

silberrosa 03-26-2005 02:12 PM

Thank you JRCT for clearing up what should be obvious to most. There is no big mystery to these lifecycles but so many seem to think so. Thanks - Start the lines for the MY08 W204.

JWS3 03-26-2005 02:46 PM

I'd rather enjoy an arguably sorted out model for (m)
 

Originally Posted by jrct9454
The W204 is due to be released in mid-2007 in Europe, Sept-Oct '07 here, designated as 2008 models.

Look, this ain't rocket science, and hardly qualifies as big news - MB has these cars on a 7-year cycle. The W203 appeared mid-year 2000 in the EU, and came here in October of 2000 as a 2001 model. Sounds like they are right on schedule to me.

In the meantime, the W203 gets its final kicker in the fall in the form of the new 4-valve V6 engine family - no more 4 cylinders for our market. Even the entry-level car is going to be over 200 hp. The C350 will be terrific, of course, but vastly overpriced like the top-of-the-line always is. Since the W203 is now pretty well sorted out, the time from Oct '05 until the introduction of the new car seems like a good time to buy if you don't need to be the first on your block with the new body.

a few years and then, after the first in line "gotta have it NOW" people are out of the way and the inevitable first year bugs are sorted out get the new body style. If I buy an '06 C350 I'll have the "current" style for about 2 years. Add in another year for the '08 first year and maybe I'll trade after that. Hmm.... sounds interesting.

Mason00 04-05-2005 02:40 PM

W204 Official Pictures (2007 MB C Class Sedan)
 
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W204 Official Pictures (2007 MB C Class Sedan)
Design Phase Complete...In Secondary Testing Phase

respdoc 04-05-2005 02:47 PM

So they turn into a CLS ? :crazy:

JWS3 04-05-2005 02:55 PM

Just great- a CLS clone and no side moldings (m)
 
Don't these people live in the real world where side moldings make a difference? :crazy: Looks like MB has fallen prey to the same "form over substance" disease now afflicting BMW.

boynix 04-05-2005 03:02 PM

looks like poop. i like the mirrors though :)

Guest0001 04-05-2005 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by Mason00
W204 Official Pictures (2007 MB C Class Sedan)
Design Phase Complete...In Secondary Testing Phase

Where do you get your info from?

BTW these are old pics https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...mixed+reaction

jago1244 04-05-2005 03:11 PM

looks like photochop..
 
..but not horrible..

jago1244 04-05-2005 03:23 PM

Aha!
 
sorry mason00, i dont have an ax to grind against you, but i just happened to google 'w204 pics' and quickly got there..shows where these 2 pics came from.

proof that these are photochops

Mason00 04-05-2005 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by jago1244
sorry mason00, i dont have an ax to grind against you, but i just happened to google 'w204 pics' and quickly got there..shows where these 2 pics came from.

proof that these are photochops

Just testing the smarts of the board members. Good job...Real fast catch time. Less than 1 hour :y

Guest0001 04-05-2005 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by Mason00
Just testing the smarts of the board members.

:crazy:

Mason00 04-05-2005 03:38 PM

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:y :y

ctC230K 04-05-2005 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by Mason00
Just testing the smarts of the board members. Good job...Real fast catch time. Less than 1 hour :y

lol nice attempt at a cover up. :beat:
i hope it doesn't look like that.

Mason00 04-05-2005 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ctC230K
lol nice attempt at a cover up. :beat:
i hope it doesn't look like that.

:y

Mason00 04-05-2005 04:18 PM

2 Attachment(s)
:v

Guest0001 04-05-2005 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by Mason00
:y

thank you for that pic :D

Post more models.

Jim Banville 04-05-2005 04:49 PM

This is a very strange thread! First he knowingly posts obviously photoshopped pics that have been posted before, then he just starts posting various pics that have nothing to do with the W204 :crazy:

Outland 04-05-2005 06:26 PM

The 'nonW204" pics are a lot better. Keep up the good work.

ctC230K 04-05-2005 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by Mason00
:y

haha random thread...
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...id=48865&stc=1
with some hot chick
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...id=48866&stc=1
and who's car is that? looks great :cool:

05Css 04-05-2005 07:00 PM

Hey Mason00 if I buy your car would I get the women with it? Nice pics

Guest0001 04-05-2005 07:02 PM

that white C belongs to Enrique "LorinserCClass"

caliboy 04-05-2005 07:19 PM

Um I kinda like the photoshop pics. Seen them before and I actually would like to see the C class look like that. Looks way more expensive than the w203. Hot cls look. Hey Id prefer that CLS look over the bangle-mania BMW's.

caliboy 04-05-2005 07:20 PM

BTW I love it when I see an ASIAN girl with an A ss like that!

FrankW 04-05-2005 07:21 PM

:thread:

Burnt Toast 04-05-2005 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by FrankW
:thread:

.

inFiniTE LooP 04-05-2005 11:04 PM


Originally Posted by ctC230K
haha random thread...
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...id=48866&stc=1
and who's car is that? looks great :cool:

it's in the C class picture thread, i remember seein it from a little while ago...i forget who it belongs to though

05Css 04-06-2005 07:30 PM

The thread does suck, but the asian girls ass makes it all worth while :y

nicedeboy 04-06-2005 08:30 PM

The above picture isn't the real 06 C class. I have already test drove the car in Germany. As what the previous person said, its a fake and probably a photoshop CRAP picture. Compare it to the CLS and you can see that the person did not do a very good job in creating it. Grow up LOSER.

Jim Banville 04-06-2005 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by nicedeboy
I have already test drove the car in Germany. [/B]

Me too! Small world :naughty:

nukblazi 04-06-2005 09:33 PM

https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...id=48863&stc=1

I'd hit it two times!

Outland 04-06-2005 11:17 PM


Originally Posted by nicedeboy
The above picture isn't the real 06 C class. I have already test drove the car in Germany. As what the previous person said, its a fake and probably a photoshop CRAP picture. Compare it to the CLS and you can see that the person did not do a very good job in creating it. Grow up LOSER.

And its still not as good as his Mazda...

essa 04-06-2005 11:53 PM


Originally Posted by inFiniTE LooP
it's in the C class picture thread, i remember seein it from a little while ago...i forget who it belongs to though

Hey...that's my car.:cool:.. But it doesn't have tinted windows though :confused:.... Now I'm sure that I wil not get my windows tinted :y Thanks for showing me how it will looks with the windows tinted

MCONDE01 04-07-2005 10:29 AM

It's a shame that those pics were not legit...I kinda of like that look, those for sure were the best fake pics I have seen of the new c-class / but I like!

Mason00 04-07-2005 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by essa
Hey...that's my car.:cool:.. But it doesn't have tinted windows though :confused:.... Now I'm sure that I wil not get my windows tinted :y Thanks for showing me how it will looks with the windows tinted

I'm telling you, tint your car and it will look even better. Don't judge the photoshopped tint job. I'm going to purchase a 2006 C230 or C280 Sport Sedan in August and I will be getting it in Orion Blue Metallic, and applying a beautiful tint job to it. Trust me, your car will look good with tint.

respdoc 04-07-2005 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by MCONDE01
It's a shame that those pics were not legit...I kinda of like that look, those for sure were the best fake pics I have seen of the new c-class / but I like!


huh ??

It looks like the CLS which is currently on sale..why would MB make two cars that look almost identical :crazy:

Deutscher_Wagen 04-07-2005 11:45 AM

rear end looks phat, but I could do without the head lights...

MCONDE01 04-07-2005 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by respdoc
huh ??

It looks like the CLS which is currently on sale..why would MB make two cars that look almost identical :crazy:

I like the cls look and why don't you take a good look around, a lot of benzes look like each other...But you are right, what was I thinking about voicing my thoughts??
follow the equation:
my opinion does not = yours.....get over it!... :crazy: :wwf: :crazy:
ok, now I am done venting....
Have a nice day :y

inFiniTE LooP 04-07-2005 06:31 PM

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am i the only one that thinks the CLS looks like a nissan maxima?

maybe it's just the roof line or something

Mason00 04-07-2005 11:21 PM


Originally Posted by inFiniTE LooP
am i the only one that thinks the CLS looks like a nissan maxima?

maybe it's just the roof line or something

"From a 360 degree perspective, No"

From that angle, viewing in a picture or on the road, yes, it looks like a Maxima. From a 360 degree perspective, either viewing on a computer or in person, the CLS looks nothing of a Maxima. Very far from it. :y

demon 04-08-2005 05:32 AM

cls looks way better. cant u even tell?? :hammer:

Rick 04-08-2005 06:03 AM

:thread: :thread: :thread: :thread: :thread: :thread: :thread: :thread: :thread: :thread:

waldis 05-18-2005 03:04 AM

ok, why are the pictures of these testing cars always taken in a snowing area?!

TheBossman 05-18-2005 03:11 AM

Why am I looking at a masked up Cadallic? Geese Ill just go take a pic of the one in my grandmother's garage and show ya what this 'W204' looks like uncovered :rolleyes:

mick1 05-18-2005 03:29 AM

that camouflage kit is cool in that with it covering the whole car, nobody would have to worry about dents and scratches. If I had that car, I would park it right next to the shopping cart area in the supermarket parking lot :)

straightSIX 05-18-2005 04:32 AM

relax people. with all the cladding on, you cant even see the lines. we'll just have to wait and see.

Outland 05-18-2005 10:51 PM

This is going to be more awful than the Kia 530i.

GDawgC220 05-27-2005 02:13 PM

2008 w204 information...
 
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/1...daryphoto4.jpg

2008 Mercedes-Benz C-Class

Date Posted 05-26-2005

The 2008 Mercedes-Benz C-Class isn't due until the spring of 2007, but as our latest spy video shows cold-weather testing is already well underway. Although the full-body camouflage hides the important details, it's easy to see that this C-Class will wear a much sleeker shape than the current model.

Most observers expect a C-Class sedan with more angular headlights and a tightly cropped rear end reminiscent of the new CLS sedan. A larger size is almost guaranteed as its arch rival, the 2006 BMW 3 Series, has recently grown to provide more room for adults in back. Interior details are still unknown, but given that the 2006 S-Class will get an iDrive-type controller it won't be too surprising to find one added to the C-Class.

A wide range of engines are on tap for Mercedes' new entry-level sedan although the current use of four-cylinder power plants is being reconsidered given their downmarket connotation in the U.S. The current 3.5-liter V6 used in the E-Class and M-Class vehicles is likely along with an even more powerful version of the current 5.5-liter V8 in the C55. An article in the German magazine AutoBild suggests that the normally aspirated V8 will have as much as 402 horsepower while a range-topping 6.3-liter V8 could offer 470 horses.

Tasty details for sure, but given that the 2008 C-Class isn't expected to go on sale until the spring of 2007, and the fact that it will be facing newer competitors like the 2005 Audi A4 and 2006 Lexus IS 350, the C-Class is going to need all the help it can get.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=105774

:)

victor20170 05-27-2005 04:02 PM

Welcome to Today

https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w203/109352-2008-c-class-article.html

:)

GDawgC220 05-27-2005 04:08 PM

awww man :( :D

nlpamg 05-27-2005 06:08 PM

I thought the w204 was due as a 2007 model, this article suggests that it will be a 2008 model... what gives? :nix:

KnowalotaboutMB 05-27-2005 06:30 PM

The V8 AMG is due out in 08. Take notice they don't say anything about the V6? Its what MB did back in 01. They didn't release the new AMG body version until 02 year models.

delbomber 05-27-2005 11:10 PM


Originally Posted by nlpamg
I thought the w204 was due as a 2007 model, this article suggests that it will be a 2008 model... what gives? :nix:

Always was to be in the 08 model year as long as I've been following it, released in "Spring" 07 (yeah, just like the V6 C230's). People, including myself, are sometimes guilty of referring to a future car by the year it is to be released...so that could be it...whatever the reason, I think it's fairly definitive now...mid '07.

Cheers.

caliboy 05-28-2005 02:43 PM

Well whenever it will be released.... I don't care that artists rendition of the new c class looks is amazing. Hands down it top s the new 3 series and the current c design. Looks much bigger too and with a more powerful engine and sleeker ......ummmmmm looks like I'll be with MB for quite a while :y Lets just hope the new design really is close to that artist's rendition.

hybrid_eg 07-08-2005 04:05 PM

the w204 is not nearly done yet.. they are still in testing phase which will not be done until end of this year then go into first line of production, trust me i know as i have driven them hehehehe. The turbo diesel model is bad ass.. the FMIC looks fuggin huge :-) :zoom:

CitronC230K_03 07-08-2005 04:07 PM

i really like the coupe. i think it looks HOT! especially the headlights!

Outland 07-08-2005 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by dmatre
Does anyone else find the styling of the sedan to be somewhat subdued "Bangle-ation" of the C-Class? I hope this isn't a sign of things to come for all of MB's lines.

At least the coupe doesn't suffer from the same mutilation.

Have you seen the new S and CL? Bangle city. They even have the hideous bangle butt, and the worst flares you ever seen. Bell bottoms for your wheels.

JDM 07-08-2005 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by David N.
You know what's funny? All the guys on the bimmer boards are saying how they are so digusted by bangles designs that they are going to switch to MB. After these pics make their way over there, I doubt they'll want an MB either. :D :lol

As for the car itself, it looks like crap. It must be a photoshop. It's still too early to know for sure what the real car will look like. MB needs to evolve the current design, not change it completely. These pics represent a change that is as radical as the 202 to 203 change. Not necessary IMHO.

David.

......I completely agree with that. Whatever happened to leaving something good alone for 10 or 15 years? ? Maybe it's because society has become so relentlessly consuming, out with the new, hurry up with the next..of course it's not new. American car companies have changed models from year to year for decades. The new body GM truck get new grills, and headlights every six months. Never for the better, just for the different. Sucks. Everything is so disposable, regardless of cost.

Outland 07-08-2005 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by JDM
......I completely agree with that. Whatever happened to leaving something good alone for 10 or 15 years?

With MB, and BMW its true that they had to evolve because the japanese brand engineering luxo cars were doing little but copying them. If you don't agree, I suggest you check out the Lexus LS, or the original Q45. Continuing proof is the Scion TC, which sports more than just a little BMW dna.

However, now that the clones are more established, some of them, namely infinity, are developing there own style, own DNA. Lexus keeps telling us they will, but those cars aren't here yet. Acura, oddly enough, seems to be de-evolving- its cars simply look more and more like the domestic appliances that spawned them.

So, although in the past they needed to re-invent themselves, I do not think that's the case now. MB's current design language certainly has a lot of life left in it. What's coming up, IMHO, its ****. And its **** because there new head designer is just looking to put his stamp on MB styling...not because there is a real demand for change. I would love to see second generation cars based on the current language. The current Coupe owes much of its look to the SL. I'd like to see a version that caries that even further, more slope to the nose, and more sculpting to the sides like the SLR carries. Similarly, the CLS shapes could be merged with the current W203 Sedan shape...and we'd be thilled. I can't say I was always a fan of the sedan shape, but with the latest changes, and with some nice rims, I think its evolved into the best looking small luxo/sporty sedan out there. The new 3 is just plain dull. The ES is still dull, and the G35 sedan's look already has wear holes in the material. New A4 is just the old shape with a guppy mouth.


American car companies have changed models from year to year for decades.
Do you actually live in the US? Most American models have a much longer shelf life than comparable imports. Sure, there's constant fiddling with minor styling touches- but much of that, particularly GM, comes from not having enough development money(too many versions of the same car) to do anything more than a design a mildly different nose. Even with that, the car's don't change radically.


The new body GM truck get new grills, and headlights every six months. Never for the better, just for the different. Sucks. Everything is so disposable, regardless of cost.
GM trucks have looked the same for well over a decade. Its hard to tell the truly new platforms when they arrive. Only Ford makes a break at each generation. Dodge just 'supersized' its language- and played brilliantly to its market.

FrankW 07-09-2005 05:18 AM

revolution is inevitable...MB made a revolution jump from w124 to w210, w202 to w203, bulky S to current S class, and it was well over 10 years ago. it's time they do something different.

Outland 07-09-2005 10:35 PM

The current S is only about 5 years old.

The design language they have now was more or less introduced on the CL/S. The oval lights on the E were the only thing that predated the current styling. Its too early to shift gears.

This build should have been evolution, not revolution. The new CLS and SLK were likely cooked under the old head stylist, and only minor changes could have been made by the new regime. I'm not looking forward to the new rides. It seems all the European makes just want to **** all over their designs lately. BMW is doing the Kia meets Pontiac thing, Audi is sticking the uggly fireplace grille on its cars, and now Benz has gone to the crapper. Even VW has taken an ugly turn. New Jetta is just stupid looking. Looks like a sentra with a chrome sports bra.

One german company however, is getting it right. Opel. New cars look great! We don't get them here...yet. All the new Saturns are basically Opels with mild changes. Can't wait. Perhaps a new Sky or an Aura to replace my Benzo.

clkcadet 07-09-2005 11:03 PM

is that convertible the clk???

Guest0001 07-10-2005 03:26 AM

I think revolution is a good move. You gotta change the design to make it stand out. Other manufacturers have copied the current MB theme for too long. It dilutes the styling.

gaiex 07-10-2005 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by Outland
The C32 Coupe was even in one of the MBAMG catalogs and screensavers for 02 and 03. The C30 has been featured prominently in several magazine articles, as the C30 was initially a Coupe only machine. I'd love one. C'mon MBUSA, stop being so chicken****.

In europe the C32 AMG ended production, only C30 CDI AMG still on production but for short time :wall:

Outland 07-10-2005 11:31 PM


Originally Posted by Imperial C320
I think revolution is a good move. You gotta change the design to make it stand out. Other manufacturers have copied the current MB theme for too long. It dilutes the styling.

Like who? Its only been 5 or six years. MB moved to the current language to GET AWAY from Lexus, which was clearly mining the MB look.

Incendiary 07-11-2005 08:21 PM

I gotta agree with Outland. Revolution is a generation too early. BMW does evolution, revolution, evolution, revolution for major facelifts. Or at least, they used to. I prefer evolution, evolution, evolution, or at least when the design and styling has been good, as it has for this current generation for MB. Evolution would have been welcome for the next generation, at least in my book.

MBFanatic4Life 12-05-2005 09:00 PM

NEW Less Disguised Pics of W204 C-class!!!
 
Here's the link:
http://www.germancarzone.com/showthr...3&page=9&pp=10

Scroll on down through the page where you'll see minimal disguise on a set of pics and then some new pics by Scoochythatone(famous for MB spy photos) where you'll see a glimpse of the interior. Now my opinion: The new minimally disguised photos scare because they seem very close to the photoshops done by Huckfeldt of Autobild, which are bland and simply boring. I just can't believe that MB would also this to take place because he obviously has inside info that lead him to these. It's just NUTS!!! :hammer: :beat: :duh: Conclusion: the new C looks like one to dissapoint! :mad:

mick1 12-05-2005 09:41 PM

thanks for the link. I am disappointed with the new design too. However, at least it doesn't appear as controversial looking as the new S-class.

MB2006 12-05-2005 09:44 PM

no way it will look like this in real life, they can do beter then that. :mad:

white_w203 12-05-2005 10:10 PM

it reminds me of a cadillac CTS for some reason.....maybe just the front.

Abspara 12-05-2005 10:32 PM

Glad i got a 2006. Perhaps by the time i go to trade in this, they will have advanced past that design.

Evil Duffman 12-05-2005 10:34 PM

I like the front but the back is disgusting :mad:

Roupin 12-05-2005 10:50 PM


Originally Posted by Abspara
Glad i got a 2006. Perhaps by the time i go to trade in this, they will have advanced past that design.

+1

Outland 12-06-2005 12:41 AM

Ewww. Yuck. Nasty.


Bout the only nice features are the wide prominent grille, and the sporty looking air dam under the nose...the rest is ****. Overall, it looks like a conservative (even more so) Acura RL....with a full diaper rear end. Farkin MB...had to ruin it. I really hope this is just another bad Photoshop.

FrankW 12-06-2005 04:25 AM

that's a big grille :naughty:

benzmodz 12-06-2005 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by MBFanatic4Life
Here's the link:
http://www.germancarzone.com/showthr...3&page=9&pp=10

Scroll on down through the page where you'll see minimal disguise on a set of pics and then some new pics by Scoochythatone(famous for MB spy photos) where you'll see a glimpse of the interior. Now my opinion: The new minimally disguised photos scare because they seem very close to the photoshops done by Huckfeldt of Autobild, which are bland and simply boring. I just can't believe that MB would also this to take place because he obviously has inside info that lead him to these. It's just NUTS!!! :hammer: :beat: :duh: Conclusion: the new C looks like one to dissapoint! :mad:

Those cars in the photos are not the W204. They are test muels for the W204 in W203 setups. The trunk lid is all wrong.

SuperQ 12-06-2005 11:11 AM

Looks just like my sister's Acura TL

Kenzmbz 12-06-2005 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by mick1
thanks for the link. I am disappointed with the new design too. However, at least it doesn't appear as controversial looking as the new S-class.

You dont like the new S class mick? I love it. :y

mick1 12-06-2005 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenzmbz
You dont like the new S class mick? I love it. :y


The taillights and the 7-series style trunk bother me. they look odd and I can't get used to looking at them.

I saw the pics of the 2009 bmw 7-series at autobild.de and even BMW won't design a trunk like that anymore. I guess, they found out people don't like it so much

:)

nRo 12-06-2005 05:43 PM

damn, **** you MB

livestrongONe 12-06-2005 06:30 PM

Thats why my next move is going to be the Cls500 amg package .

SwedeMercedes 12-06-2005 09:18 PM

Winning looks
 
Strong frontal appearance with an agressive stance. I think it'll be a little different in the back though. Overall it should be a winner and great seller. We'll see in about 1.75 years.

Outland 12-06-2005 11:46 PM


Originally Posted by mick1
The taillights and the 7-series style trunk bother me. they look odd and I can't get used to looking at them.

I saw the pics of the 2009 bmw 7-series at autobild.de and even BMW won't design a trunk like that anymore. I guess, they found out people don't like it so much

:)

Couldn't agree more. New S is fugly. The ONLY thing MB got right was the front end. The rest of the car is just nasty...big ford focus wheel flares, bangle butt, truly ugly tailights, and that drooping ass that the maybach has.

And if that ugly BMW meets Stratus/Breeze tail wasn't enough...the damn thing even looks like the ugly 7 series on the inside. MB styling is farked, unless there's some serious home runs coming that we don't know about yet.

dchou 12-07-2005 12:25 AM

They gotta go with the C-class headlights. Gotta be round. It think it gives a unique look to the car. Here's to hoping they'll scrap that crappy headlight design for the original.

mick1 12-07-2005 01:13 AM


Originally Posted by SwedeMercedes
Strong frontal appearance with an agressive stance. I think it'll be a little different in the back though. Overall it should be a winner and great seller. We'll see in about 1.75 years.

or maybe sooner due to stiff competitions from new Lexus and new BMW models :)

DaimlerChrysler to cut Mercedes C-Class production

12.05.2005, 03:19 AM

FRANKFURT (AFX) - DaimlerChrysler AG is cutting back the output of Mercedes-Benz C-Class cars in the main production facility in Sindelfingen from January, Handelsblatt said, citing a company spokesman.

It said the spokesman declined to give any reasons for the decision.

The report added that although it is normal for a car to post declining sales towards the end of a 7-year life cycle, sales of the C-Class have fallen more steeply than expected. A new C-Class will be launched in two years.

In the first ten months of this year, C-Class sales have declined by 13 pct to 335,600 units.

from:
http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/...fx2368432.html

Kenzmbz 12-07-2005 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mick1
The taillights and the 7-series style trunk bother me. they look odd and I can't get used to looking at them.

I saw the pics of the 2009 bmw 7-series at autobild.de and even BMW won't design a trunk like that anymore. I guess, they found out people don't like it so much

:)


Whats not to love? I love the New S Class :y

http://www.rustalk.com/motor/plakat/...nt/800x600.jpg

Jon200 12-07-2005 08:36 AM

that is an awesome Carlsson S class

SuperQ 12-07-2005 09:29 AM

hate the back, and oh by the way, those are some sick rims on that S, anyone know what kind they are?

livestrongONe 12-07-2005 11:24 PM

You know what would be cool on the Black S class pic above if the black strips above and below the clear tail brake lights if they you could type messages like STOP or tell the person behind you to turn off there brights, or tell the person behind to gett off your butt and go around you. Ofcourse this would be done by the computer in ther car with voice command. It could even be linked to your navigation system telling the person that you will be exiting in 1/2 mile for example.

FrankW 12-08-2005 01:24 AM

I love the new S-class S500 380hp...more powerful than current 5.5 NA amg v8...no wonder AMG's moving to 6.3 :naughty: it's scary how cars are going faster and faster...

potatobbq 12-08-2005 01:45 AM

I don't like the way the fenders flare... the front fenders remind me of an RX-8

Hades 12-08-2005 11:39 AM

I think the new C looks quite nice. And i'm sure the rear will look a little better than the photo IMO. The interior also looks nice.

People just need to get use to the new look, just like the new S. Before the new S came out publicly, people said it's ugly, now that it's out, people are starting to like it. Just wait and see, i'm sure MB will do a nice job.

Oh, btw, i just saw the new S today in Cape Town,SA. It sure looks good. :y

vivaki 12-08-2005 06:18 PM

More pics:

www.germancarzone.com

MBFanatic4Life 12-09-2005 07:18 PM

Thanks a bunch Vivaki! You always do find the best spy photos...like when the GCF forums were still alive! If you find more like maybe some interior shots please post them here as well. Thanks!!!:)

vivaki 12-10-2005 04:39 AM

one more...plus estate version as well:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...lass_Sedan.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1.../C_Class_T.jpg
(Carpassion)

vivaki 12-10-2005 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by MBFanatic4Life
Thanks a bunch Vivaki! You always do find the best spy photos...like when the GCF forums were still alive! If you find more like maybe some interior shots please post them here as well. Thanks!!!:)

Thanks :y

here's the closest we've got to the interior:

http://autocar.co.uk//Car/Mercedes-B...3555643130.jpg

MBFanatic4Life 12-10-2005 08:57 PM

I just noticed how large the gauges are and they have chrome trim rings! That's cool!:)

maguzma 12-13-2005 10:26 AM

I like the new C-Class and can't wait til 07. Yes I know that the new c-class looks a little like the new BMW, Acura TL, Toyota Avalon and new S-class design. But that is the new direction/future of the luxury cars. At least I have some time to save money for the purchase.

Brunelleschi 12-13-2005 10:31 AM

I don't like it. Looks like an Acura to me and if I wanted an Acura...well...I would buy an Acura. I am thinking maybe a CLK for 2007

marcusv3 12-14-2005 09:56 AM

hey here are some more pictures I came across:

http://www.c-registry.com/forums/att...1&d=1134572074

http://www.c-registry.com/forums/att...1&d=1134572120

http://www.c-registry.com/forums/att...1&d=1134572120

and theres a ton more spy pics here, at this link : http://www.c-registry.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13

Sauceboy01 12-14-2005 01:36 PM

This looks about right... I like it.!! :y

Sauceboy01 12-14-2005 01:40 PM

http://www.c-registry.com/forums/att...1&d=1134572887

I like this one a lot!!

Tariq 01-12-2006 04:19 PM

W204 Video Clip.. Must see ;)
 
Amazing handling and looks more wide...


http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/website/video.php?id=63239


Enjoy this test..

dalazernet 01-12-2006 04:29 PM

Very nice clip! This made my dull Thursday :-)... Although even with how its starting to look, wider, etc... I still love my w203 styling the best...

- Eric

Sauceboy01 01-12-2006 04:33 PM

dammit, wont work on my Work Computer.. will have to wait till i get home.. DAMN!

Turbo2 01-12-2006 04:47 PM

I found it very hard to get a good idea of what the car will look like with all that cladding/tape on it. Does look wide though!

Thanks

RE-Agent 01-12-2006 05:08 PM

New body
 

Originally Posted by Turbo2
I found it very hard to get a good idea of what the car will look like with all that cladding/tape on it. Does look wide though!

Thanks

Considering MB and Chrysler are now the same company I'm afraid that the cladding is actually a new styling element. Have you ever seen a new, black Dodge Charger?

Turbo2 01-12-2006 05:30 PM

Haha, very good point, but let's hope not! But then on the other hand, that will make our W203's that much more valuable to us and to potential buyers, so maybe it should look like a Charger!

advans 01-12-2006 07:52 PM

wow.... very interesting.... cant wait till the coupes come out =T been waiting for it

C320-sptsdn 01-12-2006 08:19 PM

Nice clip, the pic at the end looks pretty cool too.

Along4theRide 01-12-2006 11:06 PM

Awesome! :cool: Does anyone know if this will be a 2007 or 2008 model?

Sauceboy01 01-12-2006 11:17 PM

2008. The cladding is highly effective i'll tell you that much.. dammit! I cant wait to see what MB will do w/ the w204!

Outland 01-12-2006 11:38 PM


Originally Posted by Sauceboy01
2008. The cladding is highly effective i'll tell you that much.. dammit! I cant wait to see what MB will do w/ the w204!

If it looks anything like the spy photos Ive seen so far, I hate it. :y

Just trying to be open minded. Don't hate me because I said it first.

mick1 01-12-2006 11:50 PM

i think mercedes shot and released this spy video clip. The video was too well filmed to be coming from a spy video photographer. If it did come from such a person, then he's a genius.

Sauceboy01 01-13-2006 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by Outland
If it looks anything like the spy photos Ive seen so far, I hate it. :y

Just trying to be open minded. Don't hate me because I said it first.

Honestly, i think it's going to look much better then The Spy Photos..

Just being extremely Optimistic :crazy:

Kenzmbz 01-13-2006 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by Sauceboy01
Honestly, i think it's going to look much better then The Spy Photos..

Just being extremely Optimistic :crazy:

Thanks for the Video ! Ill save my opinion when i see the car :p

white_w203 01-13-2006 02:22 PM

nice clip! yeah can't wait to see the actual body when they're done.

eckc21 01-13-2006 03:28 PM

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here..the new W204.

eckc21 01-13-2006 03:29 PM

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and the convertible..

trust203 01-13-2006 03:44 PM

I just don't like the rear of the W204(tail lights) , front looks fine tho !!
:y

soljaime 01-13-2006 05:19 PM

Why would they move away from the figure 8 headlights that look so good?

Outland 01-13-2006 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by soljaime
Why would they move away from the figure 8 headlights that look so good?

New head designer. The current cars are all evolution of the design language started by Bruno Saco(sp?) with the last gen E, and put in full force with the now pretty old CL. His successor further refined it with each subsequent design onward till the new CLS, I believe they were all penned under the same leadership. He left, and I think he's at VW now...correct me if I'm wrong...anyway, I think the new guy is out to leave his mark at MB with a new design language. I think cars like the Kia and Hyundai coming out with quasi E-Class and C sedanesque headlights also had an impact on the death of the much prefered round lights. I love em.

MB-JIM 02-07-2006 09:18 PM

W204 Introduction
 
The W204 is scheduled to be introduced this September at the Paris Auto Show

superduper 02-07-2006 09:43 PM

Kool beans, cant wait to see it.

Sauceboy01 02-07-2006 09:51 PM

Damn... looks like we've got another 8 months to go! :wall:

Sauceboy01 02-07-2006 10:02 PM

http://automobilemag.com/2007_sneak_...s_cclass_1.jpg

Also, found this.. looks like a photoshop, but hey one step closer to what it may look like. :y

Capt Nemo o2 02-07-2006 10:02 PM

So if its not going to debut until September, does that mean its going to be 2008 (delivery starting in May/June)?

nlpamg 02-07-2006 10:18 PM


Originally Posted by Sauceboy01
http://automobilemag.com/2007_sneak_...s_cclass_1.jpg

Also, found this.. looks like a photoshop, but hey one step closer to what it may look like. :y

big time p-shop...

look, hood star and grill star. but, I'm sure it's not too far off--a mix of the new S-Class and CLS...

MB-JIM 02-07-2006 10:29 PM

There was no word when the W204 would be in the US. Based on past introductions it will probably be in the spring of 2007 as a 2008 model in the US

benzmodz 02-07-2006 11:07 PM


Originally Posted by Sauceboy01
http://automobilemag.com/2007_sneak_...s_cclass_1.jpg

Also, found this.. looks like a photoshop, but hey one step closer to what it may look like. :y

The headlights are wrong.

mick1 02-07-2006 11:17 PM

"Additional spy photos taken away from the test track reveal a modest rear-end design that incorporates some elements of the latest S-Class. A quick shot of another prototype with the hood open revealed nothing shocking as it looked to have Mercedes' latest 3.5-liter V6 providing the power. Assume there will be the usual options for either manual or automatic transmissions."


http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=109192

anonymouse 02-08-2006 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by Sauceboy01
http://automobilemag.com/2007_sneak_...s_cclass_1.jpg

Also, found this.. looks like a photoshop, but hey one step closer to what it may look like. :y

I'd trade mine in if it looks like that but I'd have to get the three fiddy

Capt Nemo o2 02-08-2006 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by Sauceboy01
http://automobilemag.com/2007_sneak_...s_cclass_1.jpg

Also, found this.. looks like a photoshop, but hey one step closer to what it may look like. :y

I like everything but the front end. It just doesnt do it for me!

anonymouse 02-08-2006 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by Capt Nemo o2
I like everything but the front end. It just doesnt do it for me!


Compared to BMW's 3er, it looks dreamy

Evil Duffman 02-08-2006 11:26 AM

my next car outta college will either be the new C or the new BMW 3-series. I hope its released soon.

MHPHOCKEY 02-08-2006 02:27 PM

The new C will look identical to the S class, but smaller and with a bit less technology.

nlpamg 02-08-2006 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by anonymouse
Compared to BMW's 3er, it looks dreamy

:rolf: :rolf: :rolf: anything compared to a bangle design is dreamy!

drho2004 02-08-2006 02:55 PM

actually i've seen a bunch fo those covered up new c-class around here in my home town (redondo beach, ca) sometimes i see them in 2's. problem is i never have my camera with me! argghhhhhh. they are much bigger than the current c-class, look 'beefier' but then again it could be all the black covers. now i have my camera with me at all times, just in case.

Rorry 02-08-2006 03:53 PM

How about these:

http://www.discountpartcenter.com/ph...es-C-class.jpg

http://www.discountpartcenter.com/ph...es-C-class.jpg

Nola 02-08-2006 04:11 PM

Sweet.

Sauceboy01 02-08-2006 08:47 PM

Not to shabs.. very CLS like..

anonymouse 02-08-2006 09:06 PM


If it looks like that then I am DEFINITELY trading in my car. ***** - I might sell it tomorrow and drive the old mx-6 til that comes out

eddie081 02-08-2006 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by anonymouse
If it looks like that then I am DEFINITELY trading in my car. ***** - I might sell it tomorrow and drive the old mx-6 til that comes out

Hahahah, I like it also, but I just got my wheels :nix:

MB-JIM 02-08-2006 10:11 PM

Don't get too anxious about the arrival date of the W204 here in the US. Just remember that some new models in the past haven't appeared until fall. I hope it's March but don't make any plans until someone can tell us just when the US models will appear.
I have been wondering if MB will one of these days go back to the system they used to have some years ago where they deliver European models for up to a year before starting US deliveries. With MB's great concern about
getting top quality ratings in the US they might want to be sure any new model is debugged before bringing them here.
A recent case in point is that they were delivering the new S Class for European customers when I was at the factory last September. They are still not delivering the W212's here.
Be patient.

anonymouse 02-08-2006 10:20 PM


Originally Posted by MB-JIM
Don't get too anxious about the arrival date of the W204 here in the US. Just remember that some new models in the past haven't appeared until fall. I hope it's March but don't make any plans until someone can tell us just when the US models will appear.
I have been wondering if MB will one of these days go back to the system they used to have some years ago where they deliver European models for up to a year before starting US deliveries. With MB's great concern about
getting top quality ratings in the US they might want to be sure any new model is debugged before bringing them here.
A recent case in point is that they were delivering the new S Class for European customers when I was at the factory last September. They are still not delivering the W212's here.
Be patient.


what they need to do is standardise the model names. My C230 should be a C250. Labelling some cars in the line according to displacement but not others is rather assinine.

mick1 02-08-2006 10:33 PM

MB is so late in bringing out the W204, by the time it gets here, the 330i, IS350, A4 probably all got a face lift.

Outland 02-08-2006 11:14 PM


Originally Posted by MB-JIM
A recent case in point is that they were delivering the new S Class for European customers when I was at the factory last September. They are still not delivering the W212's here.
Be patient.

I sat in a new S Class over three weeks ago. I watched in dismay as no one could turn off the nav system. Great QC! :y

ctC230K 02-08-2006 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by Rorry
How about these:

looks like a CLS with slightly modified headlights and a different roofline. :confused: i think the tail will be more s-class/maybach like.

ctC230K 02-08-2006 11:56 PM

just found these
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/50079.jpg http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/50074.jpg http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/50078.jpg http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphot...02.mini12L.jpg http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphot...214.002.1M.jpg

nlpamg 02-09-2006 12:11 AM


Originally Posted by mick1
MB is so late in bringing out the W204, by the time it gets here, the 330i, IS350, A4 probably all got a face lift.

I'm cool w/that... my car will still be the "current" c-class for a little while longer. AND as much as I love the A4, they get facelifts more often than a beverly hills housewife....

e1000 02-09-2006 02:12 AM


Originally Posted by nlpamg
I'm cool w/that... my car will still be the "current" c-class for a little while longer. AND as much as I love the A4, they get facelifts more often than a beverly hills housewife....

LOL! - I swear sometimes it seems like I'm the only one that HATES Audi interiors.

BIGjohnny 02-09-2006 03:45 AM

Damn, I'm actually liking it.

I guess our cars will be outdated soon.

mick1 02-09-2006 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by BIGjohnny
Damn, I'm actually liking it.

I guess our cars will be outdated soon.

yep . But people say don't buy the 1st year model, so it's better to drive an outdated car than the latest car with 1st year's problems :)

nlpamg 02-09-2006 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by mick1
yep . But people say don't buy the 1st year model, so it's better to drive an outdated car than the latest car with 1st year's problems :)

exactly, that's why the 05 is a great year to buy... you have it as the current car for 2 years and then when the second year of the w204 comes out, the 05's be four years old and prime time to trade or sell.

mbbodytech 02-09-2006 08:13 PM

Something to keep in mind about all of these "first look" vehicles is that sometimes they are production trials vehicles that will never find thier way into the hands of a customer. They are used for several different things, and a lot of time they are used for training, but are not final spec. vehicles. So, it's not surprising that they aren't perfect. Hold your judgements until you see a production vehicle. Not to say that they are perfect, but don't judge the model line on a car that may be destined to be crushed one day.....

Rorry 02-19-2006 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by mbbodytech
Something to keep in mind about all of these "first look" vehicles is that sometimes they are production trials vehicles that will never find thier way into the hands of a customer.

They're not usually real vehicles at all - they're usually PhotoShopped pictures that are computer generated.

psycho's poetry 02-19-2006 12:22 PM

New grill
 
I certainly hope they will use that new grill from the spy pics because I really like the shape. It is more agressive and beefy looking. I have always said the mercedes either needed to get a more streamlined, sporty, aerodynamic front or a larger more agressive front instead of a mix of both. The mix of both types makes the car look tame and timid with it's small kind of stubby front end. BMW has it down pat with the large agressive fornt ends and I think M-B is starting to notice from their success.

white_w203 02-19-2006 02:57 PM

ive seen modded new s-classes and it looks great......can't wait to see the new c-class since it does look like a mini me version

ruykava 02-20-2006 08:47 AM

if it has the grille of the huckfeldt, and everything else of the one above it, would be absolutely perfect!

Sauceboy01 02-20-2006 02:19 PM

so that's all we get huh? any newer pictures out lately?

Outland 02-21-2006 12:25 AM


Originally Posted by Sauceboy01
so that's all we get huh? any newer pictures out lately?

What do you want? You can keep photographing a turd each day, but its still a turd no matter how many pics you post of it. :rolleyes:

Otto 03-08-2006 12:05 PM

from germancarfans.com
 
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Mercedes-Benz is preparing an all-new C Class to debut in spring 2007. It will be a completely new model offering standard RWD and AWD as an option. Code-named W 204, the car will be available in four different styles, as sedan, station wagon, sports coupe and convertible. The next C-Class’ styling will adopt elements from the new S Class which debuted this year.

These photos are showing for the first time a prototype of the station wagon which is still disguised plus latest photos of the C-Class sedan.

Power will come again from a variety of four- and newly developed six- cylinder engines. A sporty AMG version is in the pipeline, too.

ruykava 03-08-2006 09:52 PM

nice shots - it looks pretty big as well! seems almost E-class sized (from the 4th photo)

Austin_TX_Benz 03-15-2006 09:33 PM

New W204 Spy Pics ("New Mercedes C-Class Sheds Disguise on Autobahn")
 
From GermanCarFans.com

Click here for story and more pics

http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphot...315.002.1L.jpg

http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphot...002.mini3L.jpg

MHPHOCKEY 03-15-2006 09:37 PM

Hey is that the new S??? Oh, no its the new C, shocker! Looks good.

EagleW203 03-15-2006 10:01 PM

New headlight design... booo!!!

Body looks nice and aggressive though.

superduper 03-15-2006 10:32 PM

Im liking it. :y

benzmodz 03-15-2006 10:40 PM

yep - that's it. Big fugly headlights.

mick1 03-15-2006 10:48 PM


Originally Posted by benzmodz
yep - that's it. Big fugly headlights.

the grill looks a lot wider too :)

the pic at the website shows that the w204 got two exhaust pipes, one on each side.

Moviela 03-15-2006 11:32 PM

I see they have solved the brake dust problem. They have made the wheels look like they have not been washed in years!

Outland 03-16-2006 12:36 AM

How boring. It looks like the Honda boys faxed over an RL design they thought was 'too agressive' for the luxury appliance division.

Those headlights are really awful. The clamshell hood is interesting.

ctC230K 03-16-2006 12:43 AM


Originally Posted by mick1
the grill looks a lot wider too :)

the pic at the website shows that the w204 got two exhaust pipes, one on each side.

yeah i'm guessing its a c350 in that pic

superduper 03-16-2006 03:31 AM

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This is what they say it will look like.

white_w203 03-16-2006 04:15 AM

again....a mini s-class

benzmodz 03-16-2006 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by superduper
This is what they say it will look like.

That is not the AMG grille. The W204 AMG grille will have fewer slats and be in some ways connected to the SLK / SLR look.

The trunk is much more vertical looking and the tail lights errrrmm ... average. The AMG logo will be on a metal trim strip with chrome and on the other side of the strip will be the engine. So now if you dont have the engine ..... the AMG trim will make no sense.

As for the dual exhuast .... depends on the engine.

benzmodz 03-16-2006 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by mick1
the grill looks a lot wider too :)

the pic at the website shows that the w204 got two exhaust pipes, one on each side.

The whole car is wider and taller. Like I said about 6 months ago ... I saw it in the flesh. It was a no camera day but these photos are the real thing.

The headlights look good from the side but when you are in front of the car it looks like a Honda or GM car.

madfast 03-16-2006 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by benzmodz
yep - that's it. Big fugly headlights.

damn, summed it up in three words.

MHPHOCKEY 03-16-2006 11:48 AM

at least its better looking than the 3 (in my opinion)

xxbenzc230kxx 03-16-2006 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by white_w203
again....a mini s-class

hahaha yehp

anonymouse 03-16-2006 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by MHPHOCKEY
at least its better looking than the 3 (in my opinion)


That wasn't a very high hurdle to jump

czachari 03-16-2006 04:51 PM

Is the driver a midget or is the photochop job bad?
 
Cz

Kenzmbz 03-16-2006 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by superduper
This is what they say it will look like.

If the next generation C class looks like that. Sign me up. I love the New S and this C looks good too !! :y

mick1 03-17-2006 03:28 AM

Here's another photoshopped pic:

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/s...itel_C_355.jpg

ruykava 03-19-2006 09:02 PM

looks pretty good to me :y could have been more adventurous, but since Merc is going back to their roots, i guess that's not gona happen. if anyone's seen the B-class, i guess the front will look very similar.

i'm a bit worried about the rear lights though. not a big fan of more "vertical" rear lights...

Sauceboy01 03-20-2006 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by benzmodz
The whole car is wider and taller. Like I said about 6 months ago ... I saw it in the flesh. It was a no camera day but these photos are the real thing.

The headlights look good from the side but when you are in front of the car it looks like a Honda or GM car.


so, how did you get this miraculous opportunity?

mbz4810 03-20-2006 07:07 PM

Not a c
 

Originally Posted by mick1


This Red Beaudeux is an S, you can see by the side view mirrors compare to the silver ones.

anyone know when they will start selling the new C , is it a 2007 model :banned: ?

Evil Duffman 03-20-2006 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by mbz4810
This Red Beaudeux is an S, you can see by the side view mirrors compare to the silver ones.

anyone know when they will start selling the new C , is it a 2007 model :banned: ?


it should be available by august if not sooner according to an MB sales rep I talked to. the new 2007 redesigned model will be similar in price.

moosejaw 03-26-2006 10:35 PM

ohhh new W204 PICS including Interior
 
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Okay i found this on the http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/
check them out, not sure if i like, but the interior has improved.....

mick1 03-26-2006 10:44 PM


Originally Posted by moosejaw
Okay i found this on the http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/
check them out, not sure if i like, but the interior has improved.....

actually I like the current instrument layout better because the tachometer of the new instrument panel is smaller than the speedometer. I prefer them to be the same size.

MHPHOCKEY 03-26-2006 10:57 PM

back looks great...slk-ish. Interior is gross. I hope its better than that!

caliboy 03-26-2006 11:01 PM

Oh well Can't stay with MB forever, maybe I'll try BMW or Audi. I knew they would manage to f this car up. Damn it looks more like a females car than ever. Oh well

nlpamg 03-26-2006 11:03 PM

I hate the way the steering wheel on the w221 looks and this is patterned the same way... lame.

Outland 03-26-2006 11:07 PM

Exterior, still ugly. The rear is Acura RL Ugly.

Interior...egads, its really nasty looking. AND absolutely identical to the spy pics that have been floating around for what, 3 years!!!!

TA-9FF 03-26-2006 11:08 PM

Wow....if that's the new C, no more MB's for me...
 

Originally Posted by caliboy
Oh well Can't stay with MB forever, maybe I'll try BMW or Audi. I knew they would manage to f this car up. Damn it looks more like a females car than ever. Oh well

Ditto.

Methinks I'm gonna keep my W203 for a while....and save up for a 997TT... :y

mick1 03-26-2006 11:14 PM


Originally Posted by Outland
Exterior, still ugly. The rear is Acura RL Ugly.

Interior...egads, its really nasty looking. AND absolutely identical to the spy pics that have been floating around for what, 3 years!!!!

Actually, the instrument dials are different.
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...id=77101&stc=1
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...id=34562&stc=1

SteveL1 03-26-2006 11:39 PM

Looks like an Acura RL... :duh:

Glad I got an '06.

mbny 03-27-2006 12:03 AM

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rear looks like a new S class to me. too bad it doesn't have the flared out fenders too though.

mig888 03-27-2006 12:05 AM

you know what they say...

"it'll grow on you" sigh.

flip
:wwf: :wwf: :wwf: :wwf: :wwf: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

mick1 03-27-2006 12:06 AM


Originally Posted by mbny
rear looks like a new S class to me. too bad it doesn't have the flared out fenders too though.

the website says the exterior pic was drawn by an artist. It's not real :)

Outland 03-27-2006 10:39 PM


Originally Posted by mick1


yeah, but its real. Most likely the exterior renditions are right on the money as well. YUCK YUCK YUCK!!! WTF is MB doing? I won't be buying another if it looks this bad.

That interior could be right out of the seventies or eighties if it weren't for the slit for a cd.

mick1 03-28-2006 01:15 AM


Originally Posted by Outland
yeah, but its real. Most likely the exterior renditions are right on the money as well. YUCK YUCK YUCK!!! WTF is MB doing? I won't be buying another if it looks this bad.

That interior could be right out of the seventies or eighties if it weren't for the slit for a cd.

Yep, I concur, it does not look too good. I think the interior of the new Volkswagen GTI MkV looks much better.

Outland 03-28-2006 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by mick1
Yep, I concur, it does not look too good. I think the interior of the new Volkswagen GTI MkV looks much better.

Yes, definately it does. I'm digusted at the direction MB is going in for new models. The CLS, SLR and New SLK will be the highwater marks of the outgoing styling language. Blocky, overwrought styling and ugly headlights are back it seems.

And, as a bonus, we get ugly interiors, asian styling, BMW trunklids, and, if you look closely, the car in the picture has an I drive, or whatever gay ass name the MB marketing hacks come up with to call the MB version of it...probably Mousetronic.

On the plus side, the C350SE Coupe is getting great reviews in Europe and England...and I can't buy one....fricken MBUSA....

Evil Duffman 03-28-2006 10:16 PM

I think all the new Benz's have been designed very well, Especially the new MLs, i love it. The slk, the s class, the cls and the gl, are amazing designs. I really dont think we will be disappointed. I will reserve judgement till i see it in person.

jsloan01 03-28-2006 10:25 PM

I hope that's not the new C. The rear looks too first-generation Acura CL. :(

The steering wheel looks awful too.

Outland 03-28-2006 10:49 PM

I guess we can take solace in the fact that the new CL is even UGLIER. Looks like an accord that got fat.http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphot...317.001.1M.jpg

http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphot...001.mini1L.jpg

Reyngel 03-28-2006 11:15 PM

All of those pics are photoshop fakes, confirmed over a year ago.

jtC320 03-28-2006 11:26 PM

the new S class looks nice...but if thats the new c... :wall: :wwf: :nix: makes the car look cheap....

eplants02 03-29-2006 05:12 PM

2008 C Class
 
here's the link for 2008 c class:

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Mar06/2...dMLKClass.html

I gotta say, it looks very nice! :y

14cue 03-29-2006 06:13 PM

too round, i dont like it. the front is ok, bigger and more agressive, but i prefer the current model. IMO.

JDM 03-29-2006 06:23 PM

Hyundaii i will have a ball with this..it will be much easier to copy. Unfortunately, like the S, it seems a little bland to me. The current styling screams Mercedes Benz, but the up and comming just kinda wispers it..

MJ50 03-29-2006 07:51 PM

still looks like Baby S to me...
MLK looks much better compared to X3

TA-9FF 03-29-2006 08:03 PM

Blah
 
TOYOTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :mad:

Makes us W203 owners appreciate our cars even more. :y

razorfish228 03-29-2006 08:04 PM

The front looks good to me. I like the S-Class so I will like this one as well but the rear bumper isn't that great. I see the rear bumper being easily scratched and stuff.

The MLK is hot! I think it looks very agressive versus the X3. The X3 looks weak but this MLK looks muscular. :y

Evil Duffman 03-29-2006 08:04 PM

this is nicer than most of the pictures circulating the web. Its definately a mini S, and Im sure the Amg kit on it will look pretty sweet.

((Steel)) 03-29-2006 09:11 PM

The front is hot cause it basically mimics the new S, which is on fire by the way, but the back is lacking. Reminds me too much of the toyota camry back. Kinda dissapointing. I'm not gonna criticize too much until I see official pics on the official MB website and also see it in person. Plus, Evil Duffman is right, the AMG sport package will prolly look hot as hell.
:zoom:

BIGjohnny 03-29-2006 09:45 PM

Not feeling it

Outland 03-29-2006 11:32 PM

Looks like ****. Bland city. Could be Acura if you replace the Grille. The MLK (supposedly this was to be called MLX before Lincoln went nuts with the crappy three letter names for all its cars) is even worse, it looks like the outgoing RAV4.

GPI 03-30-2006 03:00 AM

The front looks very good!! I hope the rear will be much better in reality.

SteveAustin 03-30-2006 11:02 AM

Loves it.

pookie 03-30-2006 02:22 PM

maybe in reality it will look better. i'm just hoping for a c-class diesel to come over to the US.

anonymouse 03-30-2006 02:26 PM

the front is bland and the rear looks like an Acura CL.

Sauceboy01 03-30-2006 04:38 PM

i've seen that picture many times, and yes it is a Photoshop..

we will wait and see what the real one will look like, then i will make my decision!

Jeffy 03-30-2006 04:53 PM

ooooyyye... Not feeling it either. The front looks like an Acura and the rear looks like Camry.

-Jeff

ultraseven 03-31-2006 06:09 PM

with all the comments here, it's funny how the design implies copying the Acura and Toyota's ;).

Isn't it also ironic those were the same comments when our current generation debuted, and now everyone thinks it looks like a goddess?

JDM 03-31-2006 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by ultraseven
with all the comments here, it's funny how the design implies copying the Acura and Toyota's ;).

Isn't it also ironic those were the same comments when our current generation debuted, and now everyone thinks it looks like a goddess?

..I can't think of a single toyota or acura that looks like the current w203. Nor a honda for that matter. Evolving traditional styling cues exclusive to a mark into a brand new car without producing somthing that looks dated already is an art MB has mastered long ago. I'd hate to see those classic cue's disappear. To me it's what makes them beautiful. Often copied, but never the copiest...that makes one a Goddess.

Outland 03-31-2006 10:26 PM


Originally Posted by ultraseven
with all the comments here, it's funny how the design implies copying the Acura and Toyota's ;).

Isn't it also ironic those were the same comments when our current generation debuted, and now everyone thinks it looks like a goddess?


I don't remember any such comments, nor do I see any resemblence, past or present in the Toyota or Honda line that resemble any of the 4 W203 cars.

mick1 03-31-2006 11:29 PM

well, if the W204 doesn't turn out good, there's the 2008 Audi A5 :)

http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/s...lustration.jpg

MBC320X 04-01-2006 03:33 PM

It looks like a Jap car to me. Whatever happened to European artwork. First BMW, now Mercedes. Is Jaguar the only company that uses clay to develop their art instead of letting a computer draw a robot?

I thought that car was a Lexus the first time I saw that picture. Uggh! And, no, I've never thought the current w203 looked like a Jap car.

Outland 04-01-2006 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by mick1
well, if the W204 doesn't turn out good, there's the 2008 Audi A5 :)

http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/s...lustration.jpg

I like it! I was always hoping for an A4 Coupe, but they pulled the plug on that. Seemed like a no brainer once the Cabriolet came out...a full metal roof is pretty cheap.

Two downsides...the FWD, and that obnoxious Audi grille...but at least its distinctive...and NOT trying to imitate the weakest of the asian wanna be brands.

SteveAustin 04-03-2006 05:50 PM

Please stop using the word "jap"
 

Originally Posted by MBC320X
It looks like a Jap car to me. Whatever happened to European artwork. First BMW, now Mercedes. Is Jaguar the only company that uses clay to develop their art instead of letting a computer draw a robot?

I thought that car was a Lexus the first time I saw that picture. Uggh! And, no, I've never thought the current w203 looked like a Jap car.

It's amazing to me how many people think it's OK to use the word "jap" on this forum. It shouldn't be tolerated by the moderators. :mad:

JDM 04-03-2006 07:06 PM

I agree, especially in this day and age...it can be hard though, as many of us grew up hearing our grandfathers refering to anything built over seas that way..probably no intention of rascism..

MBC320X 04-03-2006 08:18 PM

Jap is short for Japanese just as Amer is short for American, Swede is short for Swedish, etc. etc. I don't have time to type everything out, nor should I have to. If you don't like it, don't read it. I don't see anyone aorund here getting pissed off that people type Swede.

And, BTW, I spend some time on a motorcycle forums and everyone uses Jap for short because a large majority of the bikes are made in Japan and most of the people there don't even think twice about it which is probably why I didn't.

Outland 04-03-2006 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by MBC320X
Jap is short for Japanese just as Amer is short for American, Swede is short for Swedish, etc. etc. I don't have time to type everything out, nor should I have to. If you don't like it, don't read it. I don't see anyone aorund here getting pissed off that people type Swede.

And, BTW, I spend some time on a motorcycle forums and everyone uses Jap for short because a large majority of the bikes are made in Japan and most of the people there don't even think twice about it which is probably why I didn't.

I agree. Turn the PC **** off folks. Why do you have to assume the worst intentions.

anonymouse 04-03-2006 10:58 PM


Originally Posted by JDM
I agree, especially in this day and age...it can be hard though, as many of us grew up hearing our grandfathers refering to anything built over seas that way..probably no intention of rascism..


of course not. Racism was all but eradicated in our grandparents' days... :rolleyes:

AMG&AMG 04-04-2006 02:48 AM

Very nice and elegant , much better than the current C

BWG88 04-04-2006 02:53 AM

'08 C
 
the '08 C = NO WAY :wall: Very bland, and the back looks like a Daewoo

ultraseven 04-04-2006 07:56 PM

Maybe MBWorld.org didn't exist back in '00, but those were some of the comments made, just like how the last gen S-class adopted "Camry-like taillights". Again, I will believe it when I see it.

As far as I can tell there are no rules disallowing the use of non-PC words. Last I've checked tuscanraider got banned for using n**.

So terms potentially deemed offensive to all other races are acceptable. Let the bashing continue!

davis449 04-05-2006 11:58 AM

Damn that CLS and it's effects. I don't like it cause I hate the CLS and subsequently the S-class and now this. Good God, someone needs to kick this guy's ass like they should do to Bangle.

digital_b 04-30-2006 04:26 AM


Originally Posted by Outland
I agree. Turn the PC **** off folks. Why do you have to assume the worst intentions.


oh I dont know, maybe because most people who use those terms are racist *******s perhaps? if you dont respect other people and who they are then what the **** value do YOU have?

C_Wagon 05-01-2006 07:23 PM

The front looks OK but the back does look like a Japanese car.

I'm Asian and I take offense to word 'Jap' because it's intended as derogatory in the context in which everyone is using the term. When you say "that looks like a Jap car." The term is not just an abbreviation for 'Japanese', it also infers inferiority.

If you think the Japanese are inferior that's your opinion, but don't pretend that opinion is not rooted in racism.

Sauceboy01 05-01-2006 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by C_Wagon
The front looks OK but the back does look like a Japanese car.

I'm Asian and I take offense to word 'Jap' because it's intended as derogatory in the context in which everyone is using the term. When you say "that looks like a Jap car." The term is not just an abbreviation for 'Japanese', it also infers inferiority.

If you think the Japanese are inferior that's your opinion, but don't pretend that opinion is not rooted in racism.

Shut your mouth and know your role buddy. You just made probably the stupidest comment i've ever read on these boards!! Who the hell do you think you are?? People aren't here to be racists! They're here to talk about cars! I'm sure whoever said it looks like a Jap car, didn't mean it in a racist manner, and was by no means trying to disgrace you, nor your race.

It's people like you who create racism on these boards. Take a hike!

MHPHOCKEY 05-01-2006 07:47 PM

This thread should be closed and deleted...

TruTaing 05-01-2006 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by mj50
still looks like Baby S to me...
MLK looks much better compared to X3

Agreed

1sikbenz 05-01-2006 08:54 PM

I don't know... it's not that bad, I've seen better but then again I really don't ever like much of anything when they first come out then the damn things grow on me, when the new A4's came out in 02' I think, I hated them, now they're one of my favorite bodystyles. They did mention it was to have the allmighty 6.3 ass whooper, but just wait till the aftermarket peeps start with the bodykits, in my opinion alot of cars look better with a good bodykit, it's like putting gel in your hair to tone down a bad haircut, I'm sure Brabus, Wald, Lorinser, Rieger & others won't let us down, besides, when you got mid 400 ponies pullin' your chariot who cares what the damn thing looks like!

P.S. - Racism sux people, I see it on BOTH SIDES of the river, it's bred from ignorance, lack of education & tolerance - whoever poseses it.

patrick_y 05-02-2006 04:10 AM


Originally Posted by 1sikbenz
I don't know... it's not that bad, I've seen better but then again I really don't ever like much of anything when they first come out then the damn things grow on me, when the new A4's came out in 02' I think, I hated them, now they're one of my favorite bodystyles. They did mention it was to have the allmighty 6.3 ass whooper, but just wait till the aftermarket peeps start with the bodykits, in my opinion alot of cars look better with a good bodykit, it's like putting gel in your hair to tone down a bad haircut, I'm sure Brabus, Wald, Lorinser, Rieger & others won't let us down, besides, when you got mid 400 ponies pullin' your chariot who cares what the damn thing looks like!

P.S. - Racism sux people, I see it on BOTH SIDES of the river, it's bred from ignorance, lack of education & tolerance - whoever poseses it.

I partially agree with 1sikbenz. I think the new C from these photos won't be too bad. Still, I don't like the Audi A4s that much. And personally, I'm too conservative for aftermarket body kits. If it doesn't come the way I like it to come, then I don't buy it; that's my motto.

Then again, I might move on from Mercedes-Benz.

I totally agree with 1sikbenz's post script. It's ALL ABOUT A LACK OF EDUCATION. Where I'm from, I see the neavou riche with their big cars all the time often blaring their rap music through the windows. I wonder if they learned anything about decency from their parents. Can't stand poorly educated people. It's the only thing I'm snobby about and I'm not afraid to admit it.

This thread reminds me of the American Concentration Camps. Shudder...

anonymouse 05-02-2006 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by Sauceboy01
Shut your mouth and know your role buddy. You just made probably the stupidest comment i've ever read on these boards!! Who the hell do you think you are?? People aren't here to be racists! They're here to talk about cars! I'm sure whoever said it looks like a Jap car, didn't mean it in a racist manner, and was by no means trying to disgrace you, nor your race.

It's people like you who create racism on these boards.
Take a hike!

Sorry to say to but white people kill me when they say this (and it is only white people who do this). Dude has no clue who made the initial comment but he is convinced that it was made without any malice whatsoever. And to add insult to injury, he accuses the person who ojected to the racist term of being a racist. Ain't life grand?

anonymouse 05-02-2006 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by mick1
well, if the W204 doesn't turn out good, there's the 2008 Audi A5 :)

http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/s...lustration.jpg


I think i felt a stirring in my pants. I like the bold approach Audi has been making

1sikbenz 05-02-2006 02:25 PM

What's that Audi's drive train gonna be like? - It looks kinda big, is it bigger than the A4, I guess it would be, it's an A5 right?

MHPHOCKEY 05-02-2006 02:28 PM

mmmm I hope thats a W12 under that large hood

tyro 05-02-2006 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by anonymouse
the front is bland and the rear looks like an Acura CL.

Bingo! You just beat me to it :stick:

tyro 05-02-2006 04:20 PM

It's no wonder I stopped frequenting this C Class forum. A bunch of whining, runny nosed kids who can't keep their minds on the cars if there is an opportunity to whine.
"Mommy! He used a word that in the eyes of some self conscious child like me, could have a perceived negative connotation, so naturally I assumed the negative."
Grow up!

tyro 05-02-2006 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by anonymouse
Sorry to say to but white people kill me when they say this (and it is only white people who do this). Dude has no clue who made the initial comment but he is convinced that it was made without any malice whatsoever. And to add insult to injury, he accuses the person who ojected to the racist term of being a racist. Ain't life grand?

And that ain't racist???:crazy:

C_Wagon 05-02-2006 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by tyro
And that ain't racist???:crazy:

Only if he used the term as derogative.

But your'e right, he shouldn't assume the jackass who made the comment was white. Regardless of "Sauceboy01"s color it was a jackass comment.

Because I get offended by the use of 'Jap' as a derogative, I should be censored. :rolleyes: I guess you guys are too young to remember the American 'Japs' who were sent to camps during WW2.

Outland 05-02-2006 11:35 PM


Originally Posted by digital_b
oh I dont know, maybe because most people who use those terms are racist *******s perhaps? if you dont respect other people and who they are then what the **** value do YOU have?

Uh, whatever. The **** goes on both side the fence. Its been my observation that the people most concerned about this are either folks looking to make a lawsuit out of something, or some white guy overcompensating so people don't think he's a racist. Mr Holy than thou...there's always one. And when there is any discussion of asian brand autos, someone always plays this card. And youve been trolling for it since you got here. Captain Lexus on deck, prepare for Lexus propaganda and PC correctness training.

Being oversensitive and pointing out everything you think is racist or offensive is just bull****... people say or post things pretty often that for one reason or another someone else isn't gonna like. People say things every frickin day that's offensive...to me, to you...to someone. Some of its gender based, some of its ignorance, some of its frustration, some of it is just joking around, some of it is just people being people, and yes, some of it is racist. That's life. I don't disagree with much of the sentiment here, but I don't think we all have the right to assume there's malice or its intentionally meant to degrade or insult someone. This is the internet. You don't always have the full picture based on often quickly typed responses.

But You want to discuss racism. Fine. Its off topic and belongs there. Some actual car discussion would nice now.

Outland 05-02-2006 11:45 PM


Originally Posted by davis449
Damn that CLS and it's effects. I don't like it cause I hate the CLS and subsequently the S-class and now this. Good God, someone needs to kick this guy's ass like they should do to Bangle.

I'm no fan of the new S. Its not elegant from any angle. I'd go so far as to I'd rather have the 7series, the car that people like to point to as the first sign of the german styling apocalypse. And, cover your ears, I think Bangle is actually a pretty smart guy, but just not the guy for BMW. The cars he's crafted are interesting...the Z4, the 6 series, the 1 series Coupe(if it ever materializes on the showroom floor)but not always beautiful(5 series, new 3).
And many of them would look more at home in a Pontiac showroom than a BMW one.

The CLS, I do like, very much. Same with the new SLK, save the F1 nose...I think it would have looked better with the twin hood buldges from the original 300SL, like the first SLK had.

The best looking new car out there? Its American. The Saturn SKY...wow, what a looker.

HoustonC230 05-03-2006 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by Outland
The best looking new car out there? Its American. The Saturn SKY...wow, what a looker.

I second that - and when they release the turbo version... that'll be a fun one to have. May not be the fastest out there, but with a turbo there's always room for easy, inexpensive (compared to ours) upgrades!

Hades 05-05-2006 10:35 AM

Some more spy photos of the new C-class!
 
http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphoto...d-new-spy-pics

Got a new interior shot and photos with the current c next to it.

----------------------------------------------------------------
My say:

Looks like the designers ran out of ideas. the speedo looks like it's from the current e. and isn't audi have the same centre screen design? (if i remember correctly) but i'm sure they don't want to have the same design as the S becos then they need to have two different dash for the same model like the bmw's 3.

tifosiv122 05-05-2006 11:23 AM

Side mirrors are clunky:

http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphot...001.mini6L.jpg

Erik

kickR 05-05-2006 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by tifosiv122

maybe it can fly with those things :rolleyes:

patrick_y 05-05-2006 01:14 PM

Have you guys seen the Lexus IS's side mirrors? They're clunkier. Imagine some supermodel who had Dumbo sized ears. That's like the one thing I really don't like about the car.

14cue 05-05-2006 01:18 PM

the back of that car is too big compared to the front, looks odd.

patrick_y 05-05-2006 01:21 PM

Well, I have to say, I think I won't be desiring the new C Class once it comes out.

The new E Class facelift is coming out soon. I think it looks alright.

cr1t1icalm4ss 05-05-2006 02:47 PM

cars ugly.

they really are ruining the look

im glad I have my 05 sedan ...

its basically another cadillac CTS.

sad.:wall:


if were lucky they might change it.

MJ50 05-05-2006 02:53 PM

still looks like baby-S

dozier08 05-05-2006 03:17 PM

The lines of the new C seem to be more dramatic, but fabulously unoriginal at the same time. The Mercedes line over the years has carried a shape of elegance that falls on the side of classy or sporty. In the craftsmanship of a small sedan, the lines should complement its stature, not make its smaller size obvious. It is hard to picture the car with the padding off; maybe enough curves are present to make it pop and not the way of the new BMW 3 Series.

The engineers behind the new body style know that when you throw a three-pointed star on the hood it immediately gives a car class. This car may need it; I think they could of done much more with the design, however it is not all horrific. It missed the mark just enough to make me confident I won't fall out of love with my 2006 C230 and leave her for a younger one.

HoustonC230 05-05-2006 03:39 PM

Personally, I dont' see how anyone can judge how great/bad the car looks with that much masking on it. Sure, you can see some of the major lines - but the beauty comes out in the details and how they flow, which are all still hidden. And regardless... it'll never be as ugly as the new 3 series.

I'll reserve my judgement until we see some un-masked pics.

TruTaing 05-05-2006 04:10 PM

I like what they did w/ the nav screen... how it pops up only when you are using it... or thats what it seems like.... w/ the new body style the new C class will definately be the baby s.....

-j0hn

mick1 05-05-2006 04:32 PM

That looks like the luxury version based upon the design of front spoiler and I prefer the look of sport version over the luxury version. I think the W204 is going to be okay. I can see myself trading my W203 for it in a couple of years.

patrick_y 05-05-2006 05:34 PM

First of all, I don't think it'll be as ugly as the 3 series.

It so far doesn't look too bad. Although I'm not a big fan of the new S Class (I still think the W140 S Class was the physically most beautiful car Mercedes ever made), I think the C Class will look somewhat like the new S CLass.

It won't be too bad though. It'll still be the best looking car out there.

Personally, I don't like the:
Lexus' front nose and side mirrors
Infiniti G35 looks a bit like a space ship, just a bit; they're coming out with a redesign though
BMW 3 series is a bit boxy these days, interior is useable though
Never was a big fan of Audi, although it doesn't look bad at all.
Cadillac CTS was never really that big on my list either. It looks a bit alien.

TA-9FF 05-05-2006 05:48 PM

I've always liked the overall look of the W203; it just looks sexy.

The new W204 lost most of its curves. Kinda like how the current Viper did after the redesign. The Viper of the 1990's were sexy and curvy. The current one just sucks balls because they squared out everything, rendering the design boring and flat.

Cars are like chicks. Sex appeal matters.

sdsilverm3 05-05-2006 06:01 PM

Just wait for AMG to come out with a kit for it. I'm sure it'll look better once that happens.

benzmodz 05-05-2006 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by sdsilverm3
Just wait for AMG to come out with a kit for it. I'm sure it'll look better once that happens.

I have already seen the AMG version and it looks more like the SLK nose with a different grille.

I can't say it was breathtaking.

sdsilverm3 05-05-2006 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by benzmodz
I have already seen the AMG version and it looks more like the SLK nose with a different grille.

I can't say it was breathtaking.

Do you have any pics? I would love to see it.

patrick_y 05-05-2006 06:37 PM

I have to say, seriously, if you look at the W203, I can find no complaints. Look at the front, the car looks great, the side, not bad at all, the rear, a little high and chubby but otherwise excellent.

It's truly a flawless car.

Compare that with the Lexus IS, the front looks a little low, the side doors look too big and there is no impact strip line to break the huge expanse of spacing, and the rear is good, but the rear window is so thin that the driver can hardly see out.

The BMW 3 series, the front is liveable, the side is too chisled, same as the IS. The rear is pretty bad, boring taillight design.

The interior of the C Class is faultless as well, especially the facelifted model.

The W204 is going to have a hard time to beat it.

Battery! 05-05-2006 07:31 PM

Doesn't look too inspiring.

patrick_y 05-05-2006 09:11 PM

Everybody's seen this link from a previous post on this forum right?

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Mar06/2...dMLKClass.html

I think it looks liveable. Am I the only one? Regardless, I still think my C looks the fine the way it is.

emxgarcia 05-05-2006 10:58 PM

Thanks for the pics!
The overall design layout does not seem that much changed: door shapes, wheelbase, roofline even the width seems identical. I actually took the side picture and superimposed it to one I have from my car and they are a near match.

I will be greatly disappointed if the beautiful headlights give way to very ordinary looking Opel Astra-like headlamps that are shown here.

The taillight seems to have been inverted.. looks like a Citroen Xsara back end now... yikes!

In other words seems more like an evolution than a full redesign... maybe a similar case to the new E-Class, albeit they did keep the lovely face.

sdsilverm3 05-06-2006 12:06 AM


Originally Posted by patrick_y
Everybody's seen this link from a previous post on this forum right?

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Mar06/2...dMLKClass.html

I think it looks liveable. Am I the only one? Regardless, I still think my C looks the fine the way it is.


Thanks for the link Patrick. It doesn't look bad so I think it'll grow on people in time. Once I see the AMG model in white with quad tail pipes everything's gonna be okay. :zoom:

Hades 05-06-2006 03:51 AM


Originally Posted by tifosiv122


maybe it's a safety feature where it adds "downforce" to the car. :rolleyes:
or else i can't think of a reason why they make it so huge!

http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphot...001.mini9L.jpg

i have no complaint except i don't like how they break the curve of the rear windows. to me most (if not all) MB have the rear windows to a point where BMW have the curve by the rear windows. i guess that's the style difference between the two brands. but now the new c have the curve just by the end of the window so to me it lost some of the MB style.

http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphot...01.mini16L.jpg

i hope people are not going to say they copy the center screen from audi A8 like the S from bmw. looks like the command control are all below the air-vent. so maybe it won't have the "i-drive" knob by the center then. i still can't get over that the speedo looks exactly like the E's one.

Hades

patrick_y 05-06-2006 03:57 AM


Quote From SDSILVERM3

Thanks for the link Patrick. It doesn't look bad so I think it'll grow on people in time. Once I see the AMG model in white with quad tail pipes everything's gonna be okay.

My pleasure to provide you with pics. Glad that you found them helpful.

I agree, the quad tail pipes does help.

As for me, I'm going to stick with my C until 150k miles (still got a long ways to go, it's been 16 months and only 10.5k miles); so I will see the next C Class when it is updated. Then again, I'll probably want to move up. I think I'm going to move over to BMW or Italian.

kostas 05-06-2006 01:05 PM

i am having trouble deciding if i should wait for the new C or just get the current C230...

from the looks of it, i dont think the new one will be all that bad.. my only complaint is that in the interior.. the center dash seems really cramped.. the air vents are so tiny, and i really dont like the pop-up screen..

patrick_y 05-06-2006 02:24 PM

This is my rule, and most people will disagree to it but oh well.

I always try to buy the car the first year it's been facelifted. I think that's the best, because by then, they'd have gotten all the kinks and bugs out.

So, if you like the C Class right now, get it. If not, get the BMW 3 series or the Lexus IS. Even those are the first years out and might have one or two kinks, they will still do better resale wise than a C.

emxgarcia 05-06-2006 04:19 PM

Just happened to have a similarily angled picture...

http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphot...001.mini9L.jpg
http://www.spymac.com/upload/gallery...8_DSC_0037.jpg

mick1 05-06-2006 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by emxgarcia
Just happened to have a similarily angled picture...

They look pretty alike to me (side view, that is)

MoMocedes230 05-07-2006 02:42 AM

It will grow on alot of people after a year or so. All in all I think the final production version will be nice, including with the AMG package.

patrick_y 05-07-2006 02:51 AM


Originally Posted by MoMocedes230
It will grow on alot of people after a year or so. All in all I think the final production version will be nice, including with the AMG package.

totally agree. When the new 7 series came out from BMW, I was like, who is going to buy that monstrosity. Today, if I were considering a 70-80k car, that'd be the first thing I'd look at.

Then again, I overrate BMWs. The only reason why I like them is because 1, they handle well, a huge criteria for me and 2, the BMWs include maintenance when Mercedes doesn't.

Sauceboy01 05-07-2006 11:16 PM


Originally Posted by anonymouse
Sorry to say to but white people kill me when they say this (and it is only white people who do this). Dude has no clue who made the initial comment but he is convinced that it was made without any malice whatsoever. And to add insult to injury, he accuses the person who ojected to the racist term of being a racist. Ain't life grand?


I would presume your comment valid if i were white. Unfortunately for your sake, i'm not. Sorry bud, you're fish out of water on this one.

e harmon 05-07-2006 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by ultraseven
with all the comments here, it's funny how the design implies copying the Acura and Toyota's ;).

Isn't it also ironic those were the same comments when our current generation debuted, and now everyone thinks it looks like a goddess?

I agree with you completely, ultraseven. The same thing has happened with just about every car that I've owned or actively researched during a generation change, including those from other manufacturers. There are still people that prefer the W202 over W203, W210 over the W211, W208 over the W209, and there will be people that prefer the W204 over the no doubt highly derivative/generic/featureless W205 :p:

I've noticed the same thing at Rush concerts. The loudest cheering is always for the songs that are for songs up to and including the previous album, but never for the one they are actually touring. They cheer for those on the next tour.

My two cents, I like the way the W204 looks in these pictures. If I were shopping new cars in the price range, and could wait long enough, I'd give it a close look.

Regards,

e harmon

patrick_y 05-08-2006 12:35 AM


Originally Posted by e harmon
I agree with you completely, ultraseven. The same thing has happened with just about every car that I've owned or actively researched during a generation change, including those from other manufacturers. There are still people that prefer the W202 over W203, W210 over the W211, W208 over the W209, and there will be people that prefer the W204 over the no doubt highly derivative/generic/featureless W205 :p:

I've noticed the same thing at Rush concerts. The loudest cheering is always for the songs that are for songs up to and including the previous album, but never for the one they are actually touring. They cheer for those on the next tour.

My two cents, I like the way the W204 looks in these pictures. If I were shopping new cars in the price range, and could wait long enough, I'd give it a close look.

Regards,

e harmon

As a W203 owner with the 2005 C230 Kompressor. I often find myself looking at the W202 modle year 2000 C230/C280 with sport package. I just really like that design.

While the W203 has no faults in the design, especially with the face lift, I still really like the W202.

My favorite S Class has been the W140, especially the 1999 model.

My favorite E Class has been the W210 2001, 2002 models.

I really like the older SL as well.

BMW wise, I really appreciate the 2001 740i Sport, 2003 540i and 530i Sport, and the E46 M3. Don't like much else from the BMW.

I guess I'm a sucker for older cars.

Yet, the new W204 C Class actually doesn't look bad in my opinion, most people here don't like it, but I don't mind it at all. But we'll have to see later on.

mick1 05-11-2006 10:55 PM

whoa, a W204 spotted in Philadelphia .

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/...ied-in-the-us/

patrick_y 05-11-2006 11:08 PM

I wonder why they test the car in PA, it's not an area where there are many temperature/conditions extremeties.

ismeto 05-12-2006 03:36 PM

Simplicity is the BEST and MB know this .

(but interior do not like too much :(

Outland 05-12-2006 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by patrick_y
I wonder why they test the car in PA, it's not an area where there are many temperature/conditions extremeties.

There's more to testing than just how much it can take. Don't forget, these cars are designed in germany, where road conditions are much different than they are here.

Overall, I think its a massive letdown.

I think its pretty amazing that the same spy shots weve been seeing for nearly three years now are spot on! ITs DULL!!!!! Lets see...Acura nose, Lexus's LS400 headlights....pretty plain profile, full diaper ass, and it has really ugly shaped tailights.

patrick_y 05-12-2006 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by Outland
There's more to testing than just how much it can take. Don't forget, these cars are designed in germany, where road conditions are much different than they are here.

Overall, I think its a massive letdown.

I think its pretty amazing that the same spy shots weve been seeing for nearly three years now are spot on! ITs DULL!!!!! Lets see...Acura nose, Lexus's LS400 headlights....pretty plain profile, full diaper ass, and it has really ugly shaped tailights.

We'll see, in due time.

I'm still looking at this link...

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Mar06/2...dMLKClass.html

It looks liveable.

Kenzmbz 05-12-2006 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by patrick_y
We'll see, in due time.

I'm still looking at this link...

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Mar06/2...dMLKClass.html

It looks liveable.

Thats what im fearing:bs:

patrick_y 05-12-2006 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by Kenzmbz
Thats what im fearing:bs:

I must be the only person who thinks that it looks liveable.

Hades 05-13-2006 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by patrick_y
We'll see, in due time.

I'm still looking at this link...

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Mar06/2...dMLKClass.html

It looks liveable.

hey, i just notice now... the back light of the new c looks similar to the slk.

patrick_y 05-13-2006 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by Hades
hey, i just notice now... the back light of the new c looks similar to the slk.

Hey, you're right. Looks also a bit like the previous Toyota Camry in the United States.

Hades 05-13-2006 06:20 PM

seem nobody has posted this photo shot. i guess i will do it. here's a interior shot without the covering:

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/...esCClass_2.jpg

more info at:

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/May06/1...desCClass.html

patrick_y 05-13-2006 08:50 PM

Oh, man, i don't like the steering wheel AT ALL. Don't like the fact that there's going to be the iDrive equivalent of the Comand System. Otherwise, the interior doesn't look too bad, the top of the dashboard is a bit barren, not much wood trim or metal trim. Slightly boring.

Outland 05-14-2006 10:42 PM

And in the interior....EXACTLY the same as the 3 year old spy photos!!! Damn that's funny.

And that interior is nasty? Who thought they could make the steering wheel look worse? And what is going on at the centerstack? Where is MB going to put all that fake looking overly glossy wood?

patrick_y 05-14-2006 10:46 PM

Oh well, I guess this is the last Mercedes I'm going to own.

mick1 05-15-2006 01:00 AM


Originally Posted by patrick_y
Oh well, I guess this is the last Mercedes I'm going to own.

I don't know. I hated the spy photos of the SLK and CLS and new-S class but by the time they released them cars, I loved them all :)

sdsilverm3 05-15-2006 04:44 AM


Originally Posted by patrick_y
Oh well, I guess this is the last Mercedes I'm going to own.

I'm going to call your bluff. :D

iSpY 05-15-2006 05:17 AM

I wonder how the 'sport sedan' version with AMG kit looks like. Do you guys think the AMG kit will be standard for the US?

i-SpY

patrick_y 05-15-2006 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by mick1
I don't know. I hated the spy photos of the SLK and CLS and new-S class but by the time they released them cars, I loved them all :)

The CLS, is just not my thing. It's too... not conservative, the tail of the CLS looks like it came from a terrible nightmare involving a witch from the Grimms fairy tales.

The SLK is a very nice car on the exterior, but sit inside and look at the dashboard material. Feels like rubber.

The new S, everybody who's seen it in person that I am very familiar with haven't been too inspired by its styling.

The cars in the current Mercedes lineup that I appreciate are:
C,
2007 E (don't like the instrument cluster),
2007 CLK (don't like the instrument cluster with the big clock and digital gauges),
the SL,
CL,
SLR,
and the G.

If they would change the instrument cluster on the E and the CLK, I'd be more impressed.

patrick_y 05-15-2006 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by iSpY
I wonder how the 'sport sedan' version with AMG kit looks like. Do you guys think the AMG kit will be standard for the US?

i-SpY

Unfortunately, I don't think the AMG kit will be standard in the US, at least not in the first few years, perhaps after the redesign.

It will probably have a flatter nose (notice that the bumper and the radiator grill are almost flat instead of the radiator grill set behind the bumper somewhat) to run over pedestrians without hurting them as much.

The body package will probably be similiar to that found in the new E Class after it's facelifted for the 2007 model year.

Hades 05-15-2006 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by patrick_y
The CLS, is just not my thing. It's too... not conservative, the tail of the CLS looks like it came from a terrible nightmare involving a witch from the Grimms fairy tales.

The SLK is a very nice car on the exterior, but sit inside and look at the dashboard material. Feels like rubber.

The new S, everybody who's seen it in person that I am very familiar with haven't been too inspired by its styling.

The cars in the current Mercedes lineup that I appreciate are:
C,
2007 E (don't like the instrument cluster),
2007 CLK (don't like the instrument cluster with the big clock and digital gauges),
the SL,
CL,
SLR,
and the G.

If they would change the instrument cluster on the E and the CLK, I'd be more impressed.

Hey, you do notice that they are going to use similar e class instrument cluster in the new c, right.

patrick_y 05-15-2006 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by Hades
Hey, you do notice that they are going to use similar e class instrument cluster in the new c, right.

In the pictures above, at least there is no gigantic clock with digital fuel and radiator temperature gauges. That is the part I particularly dislike about the current E and CLK.

patrick_y 05-15-2006 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by Hades
Hey, you do notice that they are going to use similar e class instrument cluster in the new c, right.

In the pictures above, at least there is no gigantic clock with digital fuel and radiator temperature gauges. That is the part I particularly dislike about the current E and CLK.

TA-9FF 05-15-2006 12:25 PM

Best interior in an MB, IMHO.....................CLS'.

Hades 05-15-2006 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by patrick_y
In the pictures above, at least there is no gigantic clock with digital fuel and radiator temperature gauges. That is the part I particularly dislike about the current E and CLK.

well.. for me... those are the things that i like about the E, the clock makes the E feel classy, while the digital fuel and temp. gauges make the E feel high-tech. that's why i don't quite like the new C's instrument cluster the first time, but after a few looks at it i'm starting to get used to it... maybe i will like the final product, who knows...

patrick_y 05-15-2006 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by Hades
well.. for me... those are the things that i like about the E, the clock makes the E feel classy, while the digital fuel and temp. gauges make the E feel high-tech. that's why i don't quite like the new C's instrument cluster the first time, but after a few looks at it i'm starting to get used to it... maybe i will like the final product, who knows...

Okay, rules about the instrument cluster.

1, clock should always be towards the center of the car or centered on the instrument cluster.
2, tachometer should either be towards the center of the car or dead center of the instrument cluster.
3, Speedometer should always be on the towards the outside of the car UNLESS the tachometer is mounted in a central position, then it should be towards the center of the car.
4, minimal digital guages as possible.

Clarification about "the center of the car." On Left Hand Drive cars, the center of the car would be the "right" of the driver and instrument cluster, while on Right Hand Drive cars, the center of the car would be on the "left" of the driver and instrument cluster.

Very few cars live up to this requirement. This requirement is in place because when I look down from the road to see my instrument cluster, the first thing I want to see is the engine speed; since engine speed is the viewing priority.

Lastly, high-tech is not a strong point of Mercedes-Benz. Seriously, nobody needs "night vision" supercomputers on their cars.

Outland 05-15-2006 11:38 PM


Originally Posted by patrick_y
Okay, rules about the instrument cluster.
Lastly, high-tech is not a strong point of Mercedes-Benz. Seriously, nobody needs "night vision" supercomputers on their cars.

Did you read that before hitting send? MB is ALL ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY! They have loaded these cars up with just about every friggen cutting edge technology there is. Its been that way since the late 80s! MB is almost always the first company to introduce new tech.

BTW, the night vision is the yestertech piece of the loadout. Cadillac had that a decade ago...:rolf: :rolf: :rolf:

ayman 06-07-2006 11:35 PM

W204 C Class?
 
just wondering if any one got some information or websites about the next generation C Class?

mick1 06-08-2006 12:29 AM

Here you go

jimmyg 07-12-2006 09:39 AM

New C-Class (W204) spy photos from Dubai
 
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Hi everyone,

Here are some pictures taken by my friends Bjorn and Chicco of the new C-Class undergoing hot weather testing in Dubai:

CSportAnt 07-12-2006 11:59 AM

Nice!! But you sure it is a C Class, looks kind of big.

MJ50 07-12-2006 12:33 PM

ur sig pic is more eye-catching than the spy pics... :P

SteveL1 07-12-2006 04:07 PM

If that's really it, I'm glad I got an '06!

FrankW 07-12-2006 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by CSportAnt
Nice!! But you sure it is a C Class, looks kind of big.

it looks big cuz cars next to it are small. you're looking at 306 or 307 next to it.

Buellwinkle 07-12-2006 06:39 PM

It's funny that they test there were it's hot and humid. Then the bring it to our southwest where it's bone dry and 120F and parts start falling off and they can't figure out why. I had a W201 lemon law buyback because the throttle linkage would expand in the desert heat and fall off.

patrick_y 07-12-2006 11:41 PM

Good to see you again jimmyg. I'm surprised that Mercedes chose to conduct the hot weather testing in Dubai, since they usually do it in the Mojave desert in California (on a drive towards a high speed test track in Arizona).

Regarding the 2008 C Class, I'm interested, but I don't think I'll need one for a while, since I actually plan to drive this car past 100k miles. Besides, I'll try to see what's good on the market about 6 years from now and make my decision then.

jimmyg 07-13-2006 12:23 AM

DaimlerChrysler has been doing hot weather testing in Dubai for several years now, as has Ford's PAG (Jag, Aston, Landrover) and BMW. Here are some pics of other prototypes in Dubai:

http://www.autospies.com/images/uplo...519-223344.jpg

http://www.jimmygrewal.com/mt/archiv.../IMAGE_072.jpg

http://www.jimmygrewal.com/mt/archiv.../IMAGE_073.jpg

http://www.jimmygrewal.com/mt/archiv.../IMAGE_074.jpg

http://www.jimmygrewal.com/mt/archiv.../IMAGE_063.jpg

http://www.jimmygrewal.com/wordpress...ent/x164_1.jpg

http://www.jimmygrewal.com/wordpress...ent/x164_4.jpg

http://www.jimmygrewal.com/mt/archiv...ack-rclass.jpg

http://www.jimmygrewal.com/mt/archiv...lass-thumb.jpg

http://www.jimmygrewal.com/mt/images...mage_00008.jpg

http://www.jimmygrewal.com/mt/images...mage_00013.jpg

http://www.jimmygrewal.com/mt/images...lass_dubai.jpg

phixsius 07-13-2006 04:14 PM

This is the 2008 Mercedes C-Class
 
http://www.npp.zp.ua/images/news/aut...s-c-2008-2.jpg

phixsius 07-13-2006 04:22 PM

This is...
 
http://www.autokampioen.nl/published...rged_38489.jpg

TA-9FF 07-13-2006 06:26 PM

Totally OT, but does anyone else find the VW designed Bentley's to be FUGLY?
The Arnage is the last good lookin' B-Car to me......

ijs 07-14-2006 11:56 AM

Only 2 doors? CL204? :)


phixsius 07-14-2006 12:53 PM

This si a Coupe edition but is the same for the 4 doors

ijs 07-14-2006 01:11 PM

Or could this be the new upcoming CLK? Unlike this, C-Class Sports Coupe looks more like a hatch...


Originally Posted by phixsius
This si a Coupe edition but is the same for the 4 doors


patrick_y 07-14-2006 10:57 PM

That's a good question. Because the CLK, although it shares its chassis components with the C-Class, it gets some of its styling from the E Class (talk about a paradox).

Thus, it's difficult to determine when the CLKs will have their new model debut.

I think this is going to be the next CLK Class, since the C-coupe is expected to remain as a hatchback. The next C Class will look somewhat a bit like a miniature S-Class in some aspects.

phixsius 07-15-2006 12:22 PM

2008 Mercedes C-Class
 
First One...

http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/50074.jpg

phixsius 07-15-2006 12:23 PM

Rear
 
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/50079.jpg

phixsius 07-15-2006 12:24 PM

The C Coupe
 
http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/50079.jpg

phixsius 07-15-2006 12:25 PM

Sorry, this is the Coupe

http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/50076.jpg

phixsius 07-15-2006 12:25 PM

This one is the New CLK

http://bilder.autobild.de/bilder/1/50077.jpg

FrankW 07-15-2006 07:54 PM

actually they're all nothing but photoshops. not accurate at all.

ijs 07-16-2006 12:21 PM

Yeah, these are generated by the automotive magazine publishers. Nothing official...


Originally Posted by FrankW
actually they're all nothing but photoshops. not accurate at all.


nRo 07-16-2006 07:32 PM

diamlerChrysler is stupid.

Sauceboy01 07-17-2006 08:05 PM

so nothing new in the spyshot world i see... :(

cscheat 07-20-2006 05:53 AM

W204 ?
 
Hey guys!

Really hope to see more W204 spy pictures !!! i love the C-class alot

BadAssC230k 07-20-2006 07:14 AM

5.4ltr V8?! Anyone care for a 10 second [1/4mile] C-class?!

BadAssC230k 07-20-2006 07:17 AM

try this on for size!!!

http://www.w204.com/

Paint it Green and call it a Hulk Smash!
C36 Anyone?! 500+ponies = RAWR!

C320 UK 07-22-2006 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by FrankW
it looks big cuz cars next to it are small. you're looking at 306 or 307 next to it.

Yep, that's a Peugeot 307 next to it.

drho2004 08-02-2006 03:36 AM

New 2008 C-Class Pics
 
Ok so Daimer-Benz was at my job today doing a conference. And..they had the parking lot full of Benzes. All kinds. The new CL was there, looked NICE! Some Aston Martins, a not released yet Lexus LS450, bunch of ML's GL's and a E63. BUT the biggest draw was the tottally covered in gaffer tape 2008 C-Class,. They had 2, once drove away as i went to get my camera phone, and camera. When i came back, i took some pictures. most were from my camera phone, some from my digicam. I used the phone because its not as suspicious as a digi cam. there was this rather large german fellow giving me glances once in a while.:rolf:
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/6076/dsc00609ei2.jpg
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/8916/dsc00615rs0.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/945/dsc00614cs4.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1310/dsc00613ri1.jpg
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/2549/picture002rb4.jpg
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/2097/picture004uu2.jpg

Thats it. I wish i could have grabbed some more! When one of the W204's drove away, man, that growl from then engine/exhaust was nice!! On a side note, when a group of german guys from mercedes walked passed a 'blingged out' GT Mustang they snickered and pointed and said something in german. im sure it wasnt nice. :)

SEXSPHERE 08-02-2006 03:46 AM

1 word.. UGLY!

drho2004 08-02-2006 03:52 AM

yea so far i think our w203's look better. the new one is also bigger i noticed. its not the same as jumping from the w202 to our w203, were the looks was deif. an improvement. i'll wait until i see one fully unwrapped and finalized before i make my final decition

nlpamg 08-02-2006 04:16 AM

nice pics! thanks! I'm not sold on it yet... I'm not liking the interior either... at least it has digital climate control though. :wall: :wall:

out of curiosity, where do you work? it's pretty cool that you were able to see that.

drho2004 08-02-2006 04:19 AM

it was in the parking lot of the World Trade Center/Hilton Long Beach, in Long Beach, CA. I assist clients with their A/V needs. One of my clients today was Mercedes. yeah it was cool, bunch of Benz Engineers admiring all the cars in the parking lot! To bad they were only there for one day :(

nlpamg 08-02-2006 04:22 AM


Originally Posted by drho2004
it was in the parking lot of the World Trade Center/Hilton Long Beach, in Long Beach, CA. I assist clients with their A/V needs. One of my clients today was Mercedes. yeah it was cool, bunch of Benz Engineers admiring all the cars in the parking lot! To bad they were only there for one day :(

nice! that's awesome! :y

amdeutsch 08-02-2006 06:21 AM

Thanx, good work.

Now all we have to wait for is for them to appear on autospies as the latest and greatest spyshots. Hopefully they'll give credit to who posted them first. Nah, I doubt it. :D

GMW 08-02-2006 07:40 AM

interesting but....
 
Wow those are some large sideview mirrors!!:eek:

Germancar1 08-02-2006 08:48 AM

Thanks for the pics, that is a rare treat indeed to get such good shots of a not yet released vehicle.

M

powa 08-02-2006 09:38 AM

isn't there already some w204 pics unwrapped out there?

personally i like what i have now, it's kinda fugly :zoom:

advans 08-02-2006 09:46 AM

ouu i envy that you get to see this in person!

blueC230K 08-02-2006 03:59 PM

I agree with everyone, W203 looks so much nicer.

A few comments about the 204: those side view mirrors are like the new Lexus IS: looks like they ripped that off from the SUV and glued it there.
Pop-UP nav screen is also like the old IS. Also, the A/C vents has no design to it: looks like the took it from the older benzs (202, 210). IMO, the rear is terrible, that Mitsu Lancer style taillight/rear end has to be gone :stick:

Just one question/comment in general. Don't you all think the trend of cars these days are getting "thicker and box-ier"---in terms of height and smaller windows, if you know what I mean. More sheetmetal and many of them are very tall. Look at the new S class, the thick mattress style trunk looks very similar to the new 7 series, but a little nicer though.

Oh well, I will make a final judgement when it is unwrapped

ScottW911 08-02-2006 04:13 PM

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Does anyone remember seeing this pic on an earlier thread? Look closely and you'll the the artist's rendering of the 2008 C-Class is pretty damned close.
Attachment 87646

frox11 08-02-2006 04:28 PM

the cup holder is a disappointment :(
one of many reasons why i got a benz, the cup holder

Sauceboy01 08-02-2006 04:46 PM

really good pics we've got here! Best ones i've seen yet!

drexappeal 08-02-2006 04:46 PM

Great job on the pics. Very difficult to see the lines of the car to make a judgement on the body shape, but from what I can see, I don't like it. Only thing that I do like is the split dual oval tips.

drho2004 08-02-2006 05:56 PM

yeah kinda hard to see the lines from the pics. its rather bigger and boxier than the current 203. taller too. but i dont think this was the sport sedan, well at least it didnt havce the crossdrilled front brakes. but it did have aluminum trim and dual exhaust. but up close it was easier to see the car lines, it was just taped over with gaffer tape, no actual body molding. i wanted to get inside, but it was kind of hard with benz people hovering the area. like i mentioned earlier when one took off at almost full throtle it sounded very similar to the current G35 coupes. we'll see when they are finally unveilved. hope they come back to my job so i can take better pics!!

Jakpro1 08-02-2006 06:05 PM

"Yeah, 10-4 good buddy....looks like we got us a connn-voyyyyy"

WTF is with the CB Radio???

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1310/dsc00613ri1.jpg

drexappeal 08-02-2006 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by drho2004
yeah kinda hard to see the lines from the pics. its rather bigger and boxier than the current 203. taller too. but i dont think this was the sport sedan, well at least it didnt havce the crossdrilled front brakes. but it did have aluminum trim and dual exhaust. but up close it was easier to see the car lines, it was just taped over with gaffer tape, no actual body molding. i wanted to get inside, but it was kind of hard with benz people hovering the area. like i mentioned earlier when one took off at almost full throtle it sounded very similar to the current G35 coupes. we'll see when they are finally unveilved. hope they come back to my job so i can take better pics!!

Either way, I think you're the first from North America to post spy pics of the w204! So that alone is very much appreciated! I hope they do come back to your job again soon! It's always fun to see advanced pics of a new car model.

TA-9FF 08-02-2006 06:08 PM

Man I'm glad I got a W203..............

That interior is disgusting. It looks cheap!

coin 08-02-2006 06:35 PM

Nice shots .. lets wait till they remove those tapes :rolleyes: ..

eckc21 08-02-2006 07:38 PM

IMO, the interior looks really cheap and lacks of design.
I actually like the front, it looks wide and stylish, comparing to our classic look.
But the rear...i can't appreciate. It looks anything but a Mercedes. Just when i thought the new 3's rear looks ugly...now it's got a runner-up.

Now i konw how classic our W203's are, i am happy that i got one before it's replaced.^^

mick1 08-02-2006 08:21 PM

wow. tough crowd here.

I like the W204.

W203 is nice but there are too many of them on the road. I plan to replace my W203 with the W204 in a couple of years.

MoMocedes230 08-02-2006 08:41 PM

WERD! This is exactly what happened when the spy pics of the W203 came out........This isn't the final production version so there are still some tweaks that are going to be done, including the interior.

Outland 08-02-2006 09:24 PM

Ew. Funny how the supposed photoshops from nearly 3 years ago are dead on the money, even in the interior. Nice to see they dumped the ugly as all hell 4 spoke wheel, in favor of the 3 spoker. The rest of the interior is ****. How do you like how cheap MB is with the stereo...no display other than on the NAV screen- WTF? And that means something like an I-Drive mouse is hiding nearby. I said if before, I'll say it again, W204 is looking like ****.

Anybody notice how much of the detailing, especially in front is taped on plastic? And why would anybody care if youre taking pics? Stuff like this is almost always a staged event to leak some 'spy' shots to drum up interest in the car.

And boy, is it nasty. The front end is Acura meets Scion, with a MB star....the rear is full diaper. No thanks. BMW ruined its 3 series styling, so I guess MB had to ugly up the C Class. :wwf:

amdeutsch 08-02-2006 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by frox11
the cup holder is a disappointment :(
one of many reasons why i got a benz, the cup holder

Sorry it doesn't meet your Starbuck's criteria. :smash:


Originally Posted by Outland
Ew. .... C Class. :wwf:

Have a latte. :slap:

Outland 08-02-2006 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by Jakpro1
"Yeah, 10-4 good buddy....looks like we got us a connn-voyyyyy"

WTF is with the CB Radio???

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1310/dsc00613ri1.jpg


And why is the key in it. This is so staged.

drho2004 08-02-2006 11:03 PM


Originally Posted by Outland
And why is the key in it. This is so staged.

haha, yeah i can see why it seems staged, its true i found it funny that the key was in it. the cars were in the middle of a crowded parking lot by a very busy business area (WTC, Long Beach, CA) The CB radio for sure is for them 2 communicate between each other. dont know why they didnt use nextels...but when the first car took off it was immediately flanked by 2 ML's as it exited the parking lot. i couldnt get a good picture of it, because it was in the floor but there was a laptop compuiter by the feet of the passanger side, with a bunch of wires sticking out the back. dammit i wish i would have taken more pics.

SeaCoupe 08-02-2006 11:58 PM

Los Angeles lunch group
 
We should have a LA bi-monthly lunch group or something.

NP is here, me and you. I'm sure there are others.

E

drho2004 08-03-2006 12:39 AM


Originally Posted by emrliquidlife
We should have a LA bi-monthly lunch group or something.

NP is here, me and you. I'm sure there are others.

E

Hmm..interesting..never thought of that.
Anyone else interested?

Germancar1 08-03-2006 02:33 AM

Interesting the comments that put the car down before the official pics are shown. How many folks here hated the spy shots of the S-Class before the wraps came off only to fall in love with the finished product? If the C looks like a mini-S again, which is what the pics show except for the rear, then everything will be ok with this design. The wheel arches are there, but they're been toned down especially the rear one, which is the only part of the S that I'm not crazy about. The comments about the interior are just hilarious because the current C's interior was cheap as all get out before the facelift and MB can't do any worse than that! If the new S is anything to go by Mercedes has fixed all their interior quality problems and a ruff prototype is not the place to judge interior quality!

M

BIGjohnny 08-03-2006 03:30 AM


Originally Posted by GMW
Wow those are some large sideview mirrors!!:eek:

I agree!

SeaCoupe 08-03-2006 12:56 PM

Los Angeles Lunch
 

Originally Posted by drho2004
Hmm..interesting..never thought of that.
Anyone else interested?


Well, maybe we should post this in the Off Topic, see if people are interested. I'm envisioning more of a networking with some car talk kind of thing.

Meet every two months or so...

E

carlover1420 08-03-2006 07:17 PM

Unlike many of you I find the new C to be gorgeous. The W203 is an ageless beauty but it never had that true Mercedes look of substance to it, the new car is returning to the big and substantial look that made Mercedes-Benz famous so many years ago. I do agree that the interior looks a little cheap but C-Class' always have been, especially the current generation. You just can't expect to get S-Class level quality at a car that costs a quarter of the price. I gaurantee that once the official photos are released all of you will fall in love with the car, it is a Mercedes after all.

360_iti 08-04-2006 12:07 AM

Some exterior features that I noticed: Facelifted e-class side view mirrors, facelifted e-class pointy grille, CLS and the new CL body crease. This one might be OK. I agree the A/C vents in the picture are just plain ugly, although I wouldnt worry about the interior. Did you see that they still use the current W203 digital temp control ? That tells me the interior in the pic is just temporary. The final product will be much better.

360_iti 08-04-2006 12:15 AM


Originally Posted by mick1
..W203 is nice but there are too many of them on the road. I plan to replace my W203 with the W204 in a couple of years.

lol sorry i think the above statement is funny. you plan to replace your W203 with the w204 in 2 years because you've seen too many of them on the road, and none of the w204..

mick1 08-04-2006 12:29 AM


Originally Posted by 360_iti
lol sorry i think the above statement is funny. you plan to replace your W203 with the w204 in 2 years because you've seen too many of them on the road, and none of the w204..

Well, MB has been making the W203 since 2001, so there are many of them on the road. At my company, there are about a dozen of them in the parking lot.

360_iti 08-04-2006 12:35 AM

mick i understand.. :) it's just in 2 years you'll start to see many w204s on the road too, and in 6 years you'll see them even more, just like the current w203. At any given period of time, you'll see many current C-class benzes on the road.

nlpamg 08-04-2006 01:39 AM


Originally Posted by emrliquidlife
Well, maybe we should post this in the Off Topic, see if people are interested. I'm envisioning more of a networking with some car talk kind of thing.

Meet every two months or so...

E

I'm down...


Originally Posted by 360_iti
I agree the A/C vents in the picture are just plain ugly, although I wouldnt worry about the interior. Did you see that they still use the current W203 digital temp control ? That tells me the interior in the pic is just temporary. The final product will be much better.

I hope you're right, I'm hating the interior!

A-class 08-04-2006 05:50 AM

Sideview mirrors
 
I think that the large sideview mirrors are from the new Euro regulations on visibility. They come quite ugly, but you are going to see them all over on future euro imports.

AshleyAlissa 08-04-2006 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by amdeutsch
Hopefully they'll give credit to who posted them first.

Just thought I would mention that emercedesbenz ran the pics and gave a nod to the photographer, even linked back to this post. Not bad.

http://emercedesbenz.com/Aug06/03_C_...py_Photos.html

360_iti 08-04-2006 10:42 AM

:y there's a link to this thread too. Guys, careful with what you say from now on :)

jago1244 08-04-2006 11:51 AM

interesting. you cant really judge until fully unveiled.
also interior looks similar to new 2007 maxima?

mick1 08-04-2006 02:55 PM

I like the pop up navigation screen in the new car. The exposed one that I got would get real dusty after a while and there's no way to turn off the display screen.

The pop up navigation screen solves all that https://mbworld.org/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

drho2004 08-04-2006 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by AshleyAlissa
Just thought I would mention that emercedesbenz ran the pics and gave a nod to the photographer, even linked back to this post. Not bad.

http://emercedesbenz.com/Aug06/03_C_...py_Photos.html

Oh snap! haha, dang...that made my day!!:rolf:

BenzOnDubz 08-04-2006 10:37 PM


Originally Posted by drho2004
Oh snap! haha, dang...that made my day!!:rolf:

Enjoy your 15 min of fame.:rolf:

IwantA124 08-05-2006 12:43 AM


Originally Posted by mick1
wow. tough crowd here.

I like the W204.

W203 is nice but there are too many of them on the road. I plan to replace my W203 with the W204 in a couple of years.

I 2nd that. I can't wait until they hit the dealerships.

XZACM102 08-05-2006 04:07 AM

Interior
 
Guys, I don't think they gonna change the interior much. Look what has Autobild posted more than 2 years ago.....It's ugly as hell !
http://media.autobild.de/bild/C/875b...a68a8b3c_1.jpg

jsloan01 08-05-2006 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by XZACM102
Guys, I don't think they gonna change the interior much. Look what has Autobild posted more than 2 years ago.....It's ugly as hell !
http://media.autobild.de/bild/C/875b...a68a8b3c_1.jpg

they changed the gauges and steering wheel.

i just hope they do something w/ the finish of this interior. it's disgusting. :eek:

looks like ****. can't believe unimaginative the whole thing is. plastic explosion. MB SAY IT AIN'T SO!

ismeto 08-06-2006 03:03 PM

hope new

http://img421.imageshack.us/img421/7645/w20415ed6.jpg]

http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/9061/w20416id0.jpg

http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/7954/w20417dt2.jpg

http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/2...4332991gp6.jpg

mbny 08-06-2006 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by ScottW911
Does anyone remember seeing this pic on an earlier thread? Look closely and you'll the the artist's rendering of the 2008 C-Class is pretty damned close.
Attachment 87646

If you look at this picture and the picture of the benz sitting in the background to the left on the first picture in this thread, the car looks almost identical. Could that be an undisguised C class? Does anyone know what model that is?

drho2004 08-06-2006 04:26 PM

awesome! more pics! those are from germany i suppose because of the license plate. on those pics u can see the holes for the parktronic. i hope we get that option in the usa.

ismeto 08-06-2006 05:23 PM

I like new design side mirrors , more estetical , began new S after adapted E with facelift and now C

hope these mirrors can adapte to W203 :)

dmg3 08-06-2006 11:56 PM

It would of been funny if you had tried to rip off the siding and tape off the car. Partially exposing the car while hurringly taking pictures. Sounds like car molestation. lol

I'm so sick of MB being soo freakishly paranoid. BMW didn't do this did they? oh well

e1000 08-07-2006 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by mbny
If you look at this picture and the picture of the benz sitting in the background to the left on the first picture in this thread, the car looks almost identical. Could that be an undisguised C class? Does anyone know what model that is?

that's a W221 S-Class (new 2007 S-Class)

and yes, BMW is just as paranoid.

ctC230K 08-07-2006 09:38 PM

:tear: the only thing fuglier than that exterior is the interior... i mean really it looks like an acura's dash or something. this is one of the reasons why i'm probably going to get an M3 instead of another C-class for my next car.

CMSW202 08-07-2006 10:50 PM

um
 
the interior pic on the 1st page looks like a g35 console

mbny 08-07-2006 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by ctC230K
:tear: the only thing fuglier than that exterior is the interior... i mean really it looks like an acura's dash or something. this is one of the reasons why i'm probably going to get an M3 instead of another C-class for my next car.

LOL, u don't even know what the new M3's are gonna look like?

ctC230K 08-08-2006 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by mbny
LOL, u don't even know what the new M3's are gonna look like?

no, lol, i'm getting a 2002 or 2001 m3. they're going to be below 30k in a year.

C55JMG 08-08-2006 09:53 PM

I'm sure the W204 will be somehthin else, it will probably be different then the pictures shown here. I hope they fix the inerior a little.
But all i know is that i would buy a W204 C63 over any M3 any day of my life!

connectcctv 08-09-2006 01:59 PM

We picked a new SLK 280 from Brehem in Germany last week and did the factory tour, We where taken past an area which was been fiitted out for the new W204. A few part where on show, Looks a nice car,

Ecin 08-18-2006 01:48 AM

ya mean '08

yeuchau 08-18-2006 03:02 AM


Originally Posted by white_w203
again....a mini s-class

exactly what i am thinking

arcwelder 08-18-2006 07:11 AM

YUK! So glad I went with an 07...I bet they sell a lot to an older demographic.

BenzRookie 08-18-2006 04:17 PM

you guys will be surprised. Check out the real spy pics of the 2008 C class. the below are AMG, but as you know all Sports versions of C230 and C350 will share this look. look carefully at the styling. this car blows the 3 series and IS line outta the ballpark.

http://www.acurazine.com/forums/show...=339562&page=1
2008 C350 HERE I COME. cant wait till next year

BenzRookie 08-18-2006 04:23 PM

ARCWELDER,
there is no such thing as the 2007 C230K. I think u mean C230

r3v1ls 08-18-2006 06:16 PM


this car blows the 3 series and IS line outta the ballpark.
Yah that's not saying much...

I'm really not liking this "mini-s" design. Just makes the car look like a cheap S and loses its uniqueness.

arcwelder 08-18-2006 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by BenzRookie
ARCWELDER,
there is no such thing as the 2007 C230K. I think u mean C230

OOPs. Changed everything except the K my bad.

JustinClk500 09-01-2006 03:45 PM

2008 Mercedes W204 C-Class C63 AMG Video! Hear V8 Engine!
 
From: W204C-Class.com

Powered by a sophisticated 6.3-litre V8, capable of pumping a massive 520 bhp, the Mercedes C63 AMG sedan promises to be the fastest car of its kind in the world. However, when it’s launched in 2008, it won’t have everything its own way. BMW’s new M3 is expected to offer a similar level of performance, plus a seven-speed, semi-automatic gearbox. Cool vid, sit back and enjoy!

WATCH IT AT W204C-Class.com

Tangerine 09-01-2006 05:20 PM

seems like cars nowadays are gettgin more hp

white_w203 09-01-2006 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by Tangerine
seems like cars nowadays are gettgin more hp

and larger engines.

Outland 09-01-2006 11:38 PM

I'm glad they are making this car so fast. The less I have to look at its droopy ass, and asian nose the better.

Justford0099 09-02-2006 01:04 PM

Awesome! by the time my lease is up, the new body will be out :zoom:

shahedC 09-08-2006 02:32 PM

2008 C-class
 
Does anyone have any new information about the 2008 C-class?

When I asked my local dealer about information and availability, he said that he didn't want to "speculate"...

I also read in the latest Road & Track magazine that Mercedes is dropping the C55 for 2007 models.

So it seems as if the next high-end C-class will be a 2008 C63 AMG... ? Any confirmation on this... can they get this huge engine into the C-class?

06Benz230 09-08-2006 08:20 PM

I work for MB and there is a C63 at the dealer I work for, it is a Black Covert. Thing it lists for something like $90,000, and as far as the 2008 C class, the head MB guy here says it is going to look like the S class now.

amdeutsch 09-08-2006 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by 06Benz230 (Post 1748770)
I work for MB and there is a C63 at the dealer I work for, it is a Black Covert. Thing it lists for something like $90,000, and as far as the 2008 C class, the head MB guy here says it is going to look like the S class now.

There is no such thing as a C63 convertible. MB does not make a 4 door convertible.
:smash:

nRo 09-08-2006 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by amdeutsch (Post 1748781)
There is no such thing as a C63 convertible. MB does not make a 4 door convertible.
:smash:

..he didnt say anything about a convertible tho...but yeah...c63 doesnt exist...

amdeutsch 09-08-2006 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by nRo (Post 1748797)
..he didnt say anything about a convertible tho...but yeah...c63 doesnt exist...

Reread his post and spelling error


Originally Posted by 06Benz230
...Black Covert...

:smash:

SUNILP 09-08-2006 09:31 PM

must be a clk 63 convertable.

06Benz230 09-08-2006 10:11 PM

it is a CLK 63 covertable I made a mistake when I typed sorry. but that clk 63 is HOT.

shahedC 09-09-2006 12:37 AM


Originally Posted by 06Benz230 (Post 1748877)
it is a CLK 63 covertable I made a mistake when I typed sorry. but that clk 63 is HOT.

well, now you're going to have to prove yourself since you started talking about a "C63" and then a "covert" and now a "covertable"

With all due respect, may I ask what what dealer you work at, or at least, what your position is?

Cigalert 09-09-2006 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by shahedC (Post 1749024)
well, now you're going to have to prove yourself since you started talking about a "C63" and then a "covert" and now a "covertable"

With all due respect, may I ask what what dealer you work at, or at least, what your position is?


From what I hear he works "black ops" basically handling any and all covert operations for a dealership.

To put it to you in laymens, he's the badest coffee runner this side of Antwerp.

shahedC 09-09-2006 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Cigalert (Post 1749226)
...
To put it to you in laymen...

You mean "layman's terms" ? :-)

drexappeal 09-09-2006 03:21 PM

Either way, there's been 10 million threads (exaggeration) on the w204, so I consolidated as many of them as possible into 1 thread.

360_iti 09-09-2006 09:29 PM

Good job Drex ! Thanks ! Actually there are another 10 million threads on "pics of my new C32/C55/other c-classes"

Austin_TX_Benz 09-14-2006 09:45 PM

Latest spy photos of the W204 (www.WorldCarFans.com)
 
Here are the latest pics (story is here):

http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphot...001.mini1L.jpg

http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphot...001.mini2L.jpg

http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphot...001.mini3L.jpg

http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphot...001.mini4L.jpg

Lamb0BenZ 09-14-2006 09:48 PM

the mini S550

slammedcclass 09-14-2006 09:56 PM

the new c class will be so sick if its the same as the s class but smaller

kaze81 09-14-2006 11:35 PM

Any of you guys check out the grill? The 1st and 4th pic the car has CL grill while the 2nd and 3rd pic the car has regular grill. Either way I am exciting to see the final car :y

MercedesFTW 09-14-2006 11:45 PM

The CL grill might be the AMG sprot package.

The AMG version is said to have the SLR look, ala the SLK.

Jeanna230 09-15-2006 02:34 AM

I don't know if I like it all that much, but I'd have to see the final product. I don't know, the back looks kinda bulky to me.

anthuny85 09-15-2006 03:01 AM

and i see 20 x 10's fitting that rear slammed, that car will be good :boink:

PsssTkiD 09-15-2006 03:03 AM

it would be really cool if it'll look a lot like the S class, then the AMG version of this?.. that would be nice.

TA-9FF 09-15-2006 01:27 PM

Still has the elephant outside mirrors I see....

ismeto 09-21-2006 04:07 PM

Hot ! New pictures and compares W203-W204
 
thank you www.worldcarfans.com

here link

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphoto...ss-old-and-new



W203 is still good . it is hard to choose which is the best. yes W204 has more sharp view and more tech features but W203 is shinning still.


more changes in this segment is too difficult . BMW 3 series Audi A4 and MB C do not radical change Autospy says '' Bread and Butter '' this class for Manufacturers.

http://www.autospies.com/news/C-Clas...Mercedes-8606/

MercedesFTW 09-21-2006 04:29 PM

Baby S! :)

I like it.

drexappeal 09-21-2006 04:54 PM

Thanks for the post. Gonna merge your thread with the main w204 thread.

Drex

patrick_y 09-21-2006 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by ismeto (Post 1764122)
thank you www.worldcarfans.com

here link

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphoto...ss-old-and-new



W203 is still good . it is hard to choose which is the best. yes W204 has more sharp view and more tech features but W203 is shinning still.


more changes in this segment is too difficult . BMW 3 series Audi A4 and MB C do not radical change Autospy says '' Bread and Butter '' this class for Manufacturers.

http://www.autospies.com/news/C-Clas...Mercedes-8606/

I think the W203 was great all around in every single year. However, I think a few years stand out, no offense to the friends on the forums who don't own cars from these years.

2001 to 2003 C Class Sport Coupe, these were the only years where you could acquire your sport coupe in the very fitting "Lime Green" color, which actually in my opinion is both unique and looks good on the Sport Coupe body style.

2002, C32 AMG is out. The most competition the BMW M3 has ever faced.

2003, first C230 Kompressor Sport Sedan introduced in US market. Creates new chapter in Mercedes-Benz sales volume.

2004.5 C230 Kompressor Sport Sedan is special because it has the 4 piston brakes along with the large cross drilled rotors.

2005 is special because of the AMG body kit available on the Sport Sedans and because of the face lift, this year is however odd because although all 2005 Sport Sedan models have the large cross drilled front brakes but some have the 4 piston calipers and some have the two piston calipers. I presume the 4 piston calipers were leftovers from last year. I know of one lucky forum member with an 05 who got the 4 piston calipers.

Also, updated interior/exterior of the "Luxury Sedans".

2006, new engines and transmission offerings. While the C230 is under constant debate on which engine is better (they're both about the same to me), the C280 is dramatically different from the C240 and the C350 is also very different from the C320.

2007, the final iteration of the W203 C Class.

This is all I can think of at the moment. But the W203 C Class has had a good run!

drexappeal 09-21-2006 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by patrick_y (Post 1764332)
...2004.5 C230 Kompressor Sport Sedan is special because it has the 4 piston brakes along with the large cross drilled rotors...

Don't forget, it's the last production year of the Free service.

CM208 09-21-2006 08:03 PM

A video on W204 C63 AMG... (sorry... clips contain Aussie accent)

http://media.drive.com.au/?rid=22035...te=586&flash=1

benze-ply 09-21-2006 08:43 PM

thanks for the vid link.
i love my w203 and i'll wait until i see a w204 up close and personal before judgement. shoot, i might as wait until i start seeing modded w204s. :) i'll see it here on the forum sooner than later

shahedC 09-22-2006 04:13 PM

Here's a nice comparison pic:

2008 C-Class vs 2007S-class

http://benzfanz.com/2008_C-Class_vs_2007_S-class.jpg

patrick_y 09-22-2006 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by drexappeal (Post 1764398)
Don't forget, it's the last production year of the Free service.

Right! Thanks Drex, the 2004 models was the last year to have scheduled maintenance. I'm still upset about this, when Mercedes-Benz eliminated the scheduled maintenance, I was confident that I would never acquire a Mercedes-Benz vehicle again because it was no longer competitive with BMW.

However, somehow I ended up acquiring a 2005 model year vehicle since the BMW 2005 E46 3 series was in its last year of production. And, as a young person, the BMW's insurance was also noticeably higher than the equivalent Mercedes-Benz vehicle's insurance fees.

Now, that my insurance is dramatically reduced (after driving for nearly two years), I would consider acquiring a BMW as my next vehicle except the somewhat controversial styling isn't pushing my buttons. I don't dislike it like some "anti-Bangle" fans, however, I don't favor it either. Thus, Japanese vehicles (such as the Infiniti G, Lexus IS, and even Subaru Impreza) have all of a sudden become something of an interest.

drexappeal 09-22-2006 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by patrick_y (Post 1765712)
Right! Thanks Drex, the 2004 models was the last year to have scheduled maintenance. I'm still upset about this, when Mercedes-Benz eliminated the scheduled maintenance, I was confident that I would never acquire a Mercedes-Benz vehicle again because it was no longer competitive with BMW.

You think you're upset? My best friend bought the new ML. When he bought it, I told him that they eliminated free service for 2005+ models (to my knowledge). He said, "Nah, they didn't tell me anything about that, so I'm pretty sure I have free service."

He just brought his car in this past week for his 1st Service A and the ML Service A is $600 bucks (4X's C Class service A) at the stealership! Luckily, he makes good enough money to have no problem, but after he told me my exact reply was, "see, I warned you."

ctC230K 09-22-2006 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by shahedC (Post 1765475)
Here's a nice comparison pic:

2008 C-Class vs 2007S-class

http://benzfanz.com/2008_C-Class_vs_2007_S-class.jpg

hey that's not so bad... i haven't seen that pic yet! damn i may have to get one after all. screw the e90.

mick1 09-22-2006 11:11 PM

Here is another one I saw at autobild.de
http://i10.tinypic.com/43zdwz5.jpg

patrick_y 09-22-2006 11:12 PM


Originally Posted by drexappeal (Post 1765790)
You think you're upset? My best friend bought the new ML. When he bought it, I told him that they eliminated free service for 2005+ models (to my knowledge). He said, "Nah, they didn't tell me anything about that, so I'm pretty sure I have free service."

He just brought his car in this past week for his 1st Service A and the ML Service A is $600 bucks (4X's C Class service A) at the stealership! Luckily, he makes good enough money to have no problem, but after he told me my exact reply was, "see, I warned you."

Our dealership here charges astronomical prices for A service, $293. But since my family has done a lot of business with this dealership and my service manager realizes this, he only charged me $195.

Now, I've never heard of an A service costing $600. $600 for an A service seems excessive since the Maserati "A" service (they don't really call it that but it's equivalent to an A service with more fluid changes) is $600.

I did the service A early (before 13000 miles) because I didn't drive the car 13,000 miles in the first year.

I hope your friend reads the fine print and listens to your advice in the future. If he was a mutual friend, I'd tell him, "Drex knows everything there is to know about cars, his word supercedes the salesperson's word."

As for me, I went in knowing that the car didn't include the scheduled service, but I was willing to take the service hit over the depreciation of the E46 3 series and the fact that the 3 series costs much more to insure.

However, since my insurance is going down dramatically, for my next vehicle, I would probably prefer something with included maintenance (such as BMW). At that time, I'll tell my service manager to start looking for a job at the dealership next door (which happens to be a BMW dealership).

sdsilverm3 09-23-2006 02:51 AM

That doesn't look bad at all. My next car is going to be a toss-up depending on how the M3/M4 turns out. :)

drexappeal 09-23-2006 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by patrick_y (Post 1765973)
...I hope your friend reads the fine print and listens to your advice in the future. If he was a mutual friend, I'd tell him, "Drex knows everything there is to know about cars, his word supercedes the salesperson's word." ...

LOL, patrick...it's funny too, cuz he always asks me for advice about cars, but this one time, he was assuming something that no longer existed. Oh well, his ML is still damn nice. I like it much better than the older ML.

patrick_y 09-23-2006 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by sdsilverm3 (Post 1766215)
That doesn't look bad at all. My next car is going to be a toss-up depending on how the M3/M4 turns out. :)

What do you think of the C55 when compared to the BMW M3? Do you still like the C55 better?

I'm still a long ways away before acquiring my next vehicle, however, between the C55 and the M3, I would probably be more enticed by the M3 now (although in the past I prefered the C55). Still, the SMG paddle shift is a bit unsmooth during upshifting in normal driving.

For me, since I'm still too far away to my next vehicle (the models then might not be the same ones now), I don't know what I plan to acquire. However, I do plan on acquiring a compact (possibly midsize) rear wheel drive sport sedan type car as my next vehicle.

patrick_y 09-23-2006 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by drexappeal (Post 1766412)
LOL, patrick...it's funny too, cuz he always asks me for advice about cars, but this one time, he was assuming something that no longer existed. Oh well, his ML is still damn nice. I like it much better than the older ML.

I hear it's a lot better on the windy roads since it's now got a unibody chassis like that on the BMW X5. This probably increases safety, comfort, and handling (but may detract slightly from off road capabilities).

Yes indeed, I agree, the previous ML did leave something to be desired.

I also find myself often giving advice on what vehicle to acquire. Sometimes I find that I'm not always listened to either.

sdsilverm3 09-23-2006 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by patrick_y (Post 1766641)
What do you think of the C55 when compared to the BMW M3? Do you still like the C55 better?

I'm still a long ways away before acquiring my next vehicle, however, between the C55 and the M3, I would probably be more enticed by the M3 now (although in the past I prefered the C55). Still, the SMG paddle shift is a bit unsmooth during upshifting in normal driving.

For me, since I'm still too far away to my next vehicle (the models then might not be the same ones now), I don't know what I plan to acquire. However, I do plan on acquiring a compact (possibly midsize) rear wheel drive sport sedan type car as my next vehicle.

The current C55 and M3 are really a toss-up. I went with the C55 instead because M3's are everywhere and not to mention I walked into a very attractive lease special (similar to the recent E55 lease special). I don't go a day without seeing at least 3 M3's where I work. I see a C55 once in a blue moon. Plus I've already owned an M3 in the past so I wanted to go with something different. I'm also not very fond of revving a motor to 8k rpm to get going. Thanks M3, but I have my Integra for that. :) The SMG can be very smooth once you've had some time to figure out how to adapt.

You're probably right about it being too far out to the next vehicle but I like to plan ahead and keep my options open. The new M3/M4 should be out by then along with the C63 and Skyline (yes I said it :rice:). Or who knows, maybe I'll call it quits for a while. The main thing is that I'd like to something with 4 doors.

tattdawg 09-24-2006 01:07 AM

Some new pics of the W204 and the W203 together:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphoto...ss-old-and-new

Rareamg 09-24-2006 05:33 AM

I hope it doesn't look like the last pic fugly..

MB-JIM 09-24-2006 11:17 AM

Based on that last World Car Fans spy photo, I would order a W204 as long as it's as good a car as my 2006 C350. My C350 is the best overall car I have ever owned.

patrick_y 09-25-2006 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by sdsilverm3 (Post 1766720)
The current C55 and M3 are really a toss-up. I went with the C55 instead because M3's are everywhere and not to mention I walked into a very attractive lease special (similar to the recent E55 lease special). I don't go a day without seeing at least 3 M3's where I work. I see a C55 once in a blue moon. Plus I've already owned an M3 in the past so I wanted to go with something different. I'm also not very fond of revving a motor to 8k rpm to get going. Thanks M3, but I have my Integra for that. :) The SMG can be very smooth once you've had some time to figure out how to adapt.

You're probably right about it being too far out to the next vehicle but I like to plan ahead and keep my options open. The new M3/M4 should be out by then along with the C63 and Skyline (yes I said it :rice:). Or who knows, maybe I'll call it quits for a while. The main thing is that I'd like to something with 4 doors.

Agreed, if you value your exclusivity, the C55 is seen much less often than a BMW M3. M3's are in great abundance everywhere. Luckily, for me, I don't worry too much about exclusivity.

Agreed, the 8000 rpm redline on an M3 to me is useless; first of all, I wouldn't have the heart to make my car work so hard; and secondly, the car has a traditional lubrication system that can't handle that kind of high RPMs constantly without a lot of wear and tear in the engine. If you look at the engine, if the RPMs were to be cut off at the traditional 6000 RPMs, it'd only produce about the same amount of horsepower as a normal E320. That said, if an E320's engine was able to withstand 8000 RPMs, it might not be too far away from the M3's 333 hp. Anyways, this is besides the point.

Having test driven the BMW M3 with SMG extensively twice (both convertibles even though I would only acquire the coupe model or a four door if they were to introduce one) and the BMW M5 once, I still am not able to figure out how to drive the SMG. I had it in all the various personality modes, I tried lifting my foot off the throttle during shifts, I tried lifting my foot off the throttle partially (as if I were rev matching) when I upshifted, and more techniques that I can't remember and I still couldn't get it right.

Personally, since I'm not so worried about exclusivity, and I do appreciate the BMW M3 (although not the SMG), I would consider acquiring one provided they fixed the SMG. However, when it comes to practicality, all I really need is probably a smaller engined model since I don't drive quickly anyways due to traffic.

Sauceboy01 09-25-2006 04:34 PM

ah, we're getting closer and closer to the date this car will finally be released!

JustinClk500 09-29-2006 02:35 AM

The New W204 C63 Amg?
 
From: w204c-class.com

http://w204c-class.com/bluemag.jpg


MORE SPYSHOTS, C63 TEST DRIVE ONLY AT w204c-class.com

C240Style 09-29-2006 03:27 AM

So hot. I think the W204 is going to be the most popular Mercedes made so far. Look at the booming sales of the new S-class, now a miniature version for under half the price, will be sold out everywhere. I know I'm thinking of putting myself on the list.

*Edit

Does anyone know how much the C63 AMG will be? I need to start saving now.

advans 09-29-2006 09:27 AM

ouuuu sexy!

Xeon 09-29-2006 10:07 AM

in asia...a C230k can get me a E500 in the states...therefore i will be more than happy if i have a C230k..let alone a C63....


now i am torn between the W204 or the new 3 series coupe...which is out-right sexy......and in 3rd place is the new audi TT

BadAssC230k 09-29-2006 10:13 AM

do a search for it... 510hp?! on roughly a 3200-3750lbs platform... are you insane?! gawd i'd love to just test drive that for 30 mins!

Sauceboy01 09-29-2006 04:23 PM

first of all that picture is about 6 months old.. the real car may look something similar to that, but look at the hood lines. (they will be on the side)

drexappeal 09-29-2006 05:04 PM

Thanks for the post, but gonna merge this with the OFFICIAL w204 thread.


TO EVERYBODY
If you find something cleaver or anyway want to "think" about posting a new thread about the w204, PLEASE post in the Official w204 thread instead of starting a new one. I'm workin' my butt off to clean up all the duplicate threads on this forum, so it would help me and all the other moderators out a lot.

Thanks,

Drex

BenzOnDubz 09-30-2006 12:35 AM


Originally Posted by JustinClk500 (Post 1774564)
From: w204c-class.com

http://w204c-class.com/bluemag.jpg


MORE SPYSHOTS, C63 TEST DRIVE ONLY AT w204c-class.com

If the new C looks anything like that my car is getting traded and ill take the lost. Im having one. But im sure its not going to look like that:wall:

gaogi 09-30-2006 12:52 AM

http://www.gaogi.com/bluemag.jpg

Not sure if I did that line on the headlights. Looks too Bangle-BMW.

ismeto 09-30-2006 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by advans (Post 1774745)
ouuuu sexy!


it seems you will sell your W203 coupe soon :rolf:

Moviela 10-01-2006 02:06 AM

My guess is that any C63 would be detuned by about 10% to avoid having the lighter car being faster than the larger cars fitted with the similar engine.

Another case of the sales department dictating to engineering.

sdsilverm3 10-01-2006 03:17 AM


Originally Posted by Moviela (Post 1776876)
My guess is that any C63 would be detuned by about 10% to avoid having the lighter car being faster than the larger cars fitted with the similar engine.

Another case of the sales department dictating to engineering.

Then along comes Kleemann to upload an E63 map to get it back up to the HP level of other 63's. (Or cripple it even further down to 380rwhp :rolf: )

ctC230K 10-01-2006 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by sdsilverm3 (Post 1776928)
Then along comes Kleemann to upload an E63 map to get it back up to the HP level of other 63's. (Or cripple it even further down to 380rwhp :rolf: )

Then along comes Kleemann to bolt on a supercharger to make it a C63K with 700hp!

TA-9FF 10-01-2006 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by BenzOnDubz (Post 1775827)
If the new C looks anything like that my car is getting traded and ill take the lost. Im having one. But im sure its not going to look like that:wall:

:word:

That C looks HOT. I'd trade mine in for a W204 too if it looked like that!

sdsilverm3 10-02-2006 12:23 AM


Originally Posted by ctC230K (Post 1777270)
Then along comes Kleemann to bolt on a supercharger to make it a C63K with 700hp!

I hope they figure out how to beef up the tranny first! :zoom:

ismeto 10-11-2006 02:09 PM

W204
 
last news!!!!!!!!

for Text ;

http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools



for Picture ;

http://www.jesmb.de/indexie.htm

TA-9FF 10-11-2006 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by ismeto (Post 1788975)

Hmm...that doesn't look too bad...a bit plain in the rear, and the new interior is blah, but if that's the new W204 production version, it's pretty nice overall.

ctC230K 10-12-2006 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by sdsilverm3 (Post 1777656)
I hope they figure out how to beef up the tranny first! :zoom:

very simple......................................... SL65 tranny swap! :v:

ismeto 10-12-2006 11:28 AM

second pcture like more -especially rear- E Class

Marky-Mark 10-18-2006 05:02 AM

New C-Class (W204) Area?
 
Is anyone in a position to launch a W204 forum area yet?

I can't wait for the 'new' C-Class. I am headed out to the 2007 Geneva Motorshow to see it launch.

Any comments, please respond.

Regards


Marky-Mark :zoom:

NYR99 10-18-2006 09:34 PM

Hi. First post.

Looks like there is a new update on that website ismeto linked to above.

The sport version will a 3 spoke steering wheel and the non-sport will have a 4 spoke. Does a visual compare of the 2 grill types as well.

Also, it looks like if you don't want the navi, the space for the pop up will be replaced with a recessed color monitor for the radio. Very nice...MB is going all out, even if you don't go all out. ;)

Can't wait.

http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools

Pics:
http://www.jesmb.de/indexie.htm
Click "15.10.06 Weitere C-Klasse (W204) Details"

dmg3 10-20-2006 01:22 AM

I love it.

Although I hope the brakelights are higher up on the decklid
as per the pic on second row.

I like a tight nipped and high a**. The front is cool and
I like the interior being a little lower with equip near hands.

ismeto 10-20-2006 05:18 PM

but I did not like inside too much :( What a big cool parts ! this is car or refrigerator ,beriefly ugly

I do not think so inside like this , I hope

2005 facelift inside absolutly genious and great

kaze81 10-20-2006 08:09 PM

http://www.jesdc.de/news/news/pics/w204-18.jpg

Is that rite based on the pic above, the new W204 will have AMG wheels that CLS 55 have currently? I am hoping it's right cos those AMG wheels look HOT :D

ismeto 10-29-2006 11:26 AM

last info
 
C-class W204 further details
The announcement of the new C-class sedan is in January 07. He is delivered starting from March. But already series production started. Mercedes pays attention to highest quality.
Classic: An oval exhaust pipe left, painted door handles without chrome, no chrome around the car, no LED rear lights, no chrome shroud around the Zierteile, the TAC hone aristocracy is larger than with the others and goes from the center of the combination instrument out (probably only if no Comand were ordered). With avant-garde and Elegance the small pointer at the exteriors of the Tachos goes along. The star is on the hood. Radio not in series, then also no operating sectors available. Tire: 16 tariff light alloy wheels.

Elegance: LED rear lights, chrome shroud of the Zierteile, leather steering wheel and shift lever, two oval final pipes one on the left of the other one right, Tacho with chrome rings, small aerodynamic spoilers on the left and on the right at the front apron; 17 " light alloy wheels

Avant-garde: LED rear lights sounded, two oval final pipes one left, the other one right, star in the radiator grille, set lower, 17 " rims, outside chrome and in the interior also the shrouds, as well as the Tacho as with Elegance.

The outside mirrors some little like sail ears are away, fulfill new law guidelines. The mirror turn signals became also larger.
New equipment: Keyless Go, Linguatronic, large panorama roof as subdivided in E-class (with the T-model the panorama roof is somewhat shorter, DVD change-over switch, Bluetooth mobile phone, Knieairbag. With Thermotronic the climatic mechanism also an operating sector in the rear has.

Comand: Be under a cover, if one presses a small button on the cover drives these upward/in the back away and the screen folds out. At a switch at the screen one can stop still the inclination of the screen, which air conditioning system served over the completely normal switches. If the Comand screen is away-folded can one still completely normally radio and CD hear and this over the buttons in the center console serve. Otherwise the operation of the Comand and the menu are identical to that the S-class.
Seat heating and Heckfensterrollo are steered completely normally via a switch panel over the air conditioning system.

The T-model starts in the autumn. C 63 AMG with approx. 450 HP is pointed to the IAA 07 and delivered starting from first quarter 2008. Also a Black Series model is angedacht.





source:http://www.jesmb.de

NYR99 10-29-2006 03:49 PM

Yikes. The 2008 C Class is beginning to sound "expensive". I figured the retail would be similar to the 2007 models, but with all these new features, could this thing cost a couple grand less then a low-end E class?

ismeto 10-30-2006 03:18 PM

I order this ....
 
but this guy says its price is high :X


http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+C+Class&hl=en

MB-JIM 11-07-2006 09:30 PM

Production W204
 
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/...class-exposed/

Justford0099 11-07-2006 09:39 PM

wow the rear is very new CL..ill have to see it in person before i make my decision:confused:

Buellwinkle 11-07-2006 10:13 PM

Not very nice looking, at least from the spy photos. I see they went with the panorama roof for the sedans. Maybe they'll have better luck with them than they had with the coupes.

MCONDE01 11-07-2006 10:38 PM

Are those Kia rio tailights??? :confused:

I will have to see it in person before I panic, but I do see that the exhaust looks about the same as on the 05-06...

I have high hopes for the W204.

MB-JIM 11-07-2006 11:19 PM

More W204 Details
 
W204 is larger:
Length + 5cm 1.97"
Width + 4cm 1.57"
Height + 2cm .79"
Wheelbase + 4.2cm 1.65"
Trunk + 20L .7 cu ft
Fuel Tank + 3L .8 gallons

Faster Steering
More agile without loss of comfort
Tighter body
iDrive type control
Keyless go
Pre-Safe
Xenon tracking like 07 W211
3-zone AC
Panoramic SR
Larger Brakes
Flip up nav panel

Since production started in October, I believe they will start delivering cars in Europe before the scheduled March inttoduction. That might mean that we might get cars here in late spring rather than as originally planned for September. Just my guess.

akbro93704 11-08-2006 12:17 AM

so when will the production of the w203 end? the w204 must be a different plant than the w203....

MB-JIM 11-08-2006 12:26 AM

I have no idea when producton of the W203's will end. There is no production problem on the line since they already product several different models on the same line at the same time.

bum-man 11-08-2006 12:37 AM

Source?

Pashap5 11-08-2006 01:36 AM

yeah i don't like the flat lines..specially the fact that the hood is so flat, it looks more classy than sporty...but like mentioned before i would have to see it in person..

Moviela 11-08-2006 01:50 AM

Is that full scale production, or "test pressings" to proof the build engineering?

Many times several hundred units are made for evaluation to fine tune the quality and assembly process. It also lets suppliers check their JIT (just in time) delivery logistics.

The cars may have some features not planned for full production, and are usually sold quietly.

MB-JIM 11-08-2006 10:03 AM

jesmb.de just posted my information on series production.

arcwelder 11-08-2006 10:06 AM

08's in march of 07? No wonder the C-class doesn't hold it's value.:rolleyes:

tee_tz 11-08-2006 10:10 AM

Certainly doesn't look as good as the outgoing model at the moment. Perhaps one with an 'AMG Kit' might considerably enhance the appearance; but then again, manufactures tend to introduce those ones with body kits at the end of the production of that series. Mhmm...

Let's wait for a full body view.


Tee_Tz.

MB-JIM 11-08-2006 01:30 PM

I don't believe that the tail lights will look like those in the pilot plant production version. The upper part of the tail light should come up to the top, not cut off as shown. It's possible that since those cars will be on the road they want to hold something back for the final version.

arcwelder 11-08-2006 01:53 PM

WOO HOO Man am I glad I got an 07! Not a big fan of that aty all.:wwf:

SeaCoupe 11-08-2006 03:41 PM

Looks like a Toyota! I'm wondering how that will look on a Coupe.

E

pmb600 11-08-2006 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by MB-JIM (Post 1829858)
<http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/11/07/2008-mercedes-benz-c-class-exposed/>

Did anyone notice when you click on the picture of the back of the car there are huge rear head restraints? If Mercedes got rid of the retractable head restraint feature I will be really pissed off.

drexappeal 11-08-2006 09:09 PM

I don't like the body styling much. Although, if I can afford it and it comes here, the C63 is pretty tempting.

MB-JIM 11-08-2006 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by pmb600 (Post 1831628)
Did anyone notice when you click on the picture of the back of the car there are huge rear head restraints? If Mercedes got rid of the retractable head restraint feature I will be really pissed off.

One reason I have never considered a BMW is that they do not have retractable rear headrests. I like the best possible rear view. If MB has eliminated the retractible headrests I may re-think my car choices.

Outland 11-08-2006 10:31 PM

Hahahhahha....my oh my, is that one ugly ass.

All you coupe naysayers who didn't like the Coupe tail, bend over. MB is sending your new sedan up, with sand.

Kia and Toyota did the rear, Acura, er, the snobby folks at Honda did the nose, and well, it looks like BMW and Pontiac messed up the interior. :rolf:

Damn that's nasty.

NYR99 11-08-2006 10:38 PM

Wow, surprised at the reaction.

Personally, I think it looks great. I like the headlights. The line going across the side merging right into the top of the light is great. I like it...a very smooth classy transition.

Side mirrors are the only thing that concern me....they just don't flow with the rest of the car.

As a first time buyer, I'm excited. I can understand why current C class owners would not be fans of this since it is a relatively drastic change from their models, but I really like it.

NYR99 11-08-2006 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by MB-JIM (Post 1830837)
I don't believe that the tail lights will look like those in the pilot plant production version. The upper part of the tail light should come up to the top, not cut off as shown. It's possible that since those cars will be on the road they want to hold something back for the final version.

Possible, but it you look at the lines of the car, it flows as is. For example, the line that flows under the C220 emblem on the back goes from light to light, with the chrome bar under the star.

I'm leaning towards this is how it will be in March.

In general, I think they are looking for a change...making it look different from previous models. Believe it or not, reminds me of the Dodge Caravan change over a couple of years back...they changed the back by flipping the lights to make it look different.

Nola 11-09-2006 05:08 AM

Looky here:

https://mbworld.org/forums/off-topic/169900-well-here-new-c-class.html

pmb600 11-09-2006 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by Nola (Post 1832227)

Another thing I just noticed about the car. The picture of the silver one with the hood raised...there are none of those cool little slats on the hood like we have on the 203. That blows I always like the slats even though I don't know their purpose.

Nola 11-09-2006 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by pmb600 (Post 1832255)
Another thing I just noticed about the car. The picture of the silver one with the hood raised...there are none of those cool little slats on the hood like we have on the 203. That blows I always like the slats even though I don't know their purpose.

They are there so that leaves will go through them and collect in some unreachable place under the hood.

MCONDE01 11-09-2006 08:45 AM

MB's look the best with a sporty and aggressive deisgn so I think the W204 will probably look good with the AMG body kit - but my guess is that it will be pretty pricey to get that kind of setup for the first few years...

Nola 11-09-2006 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by ismeto (Post 1801635)
but I did not like inside too much :( What a big cool parts ! this is car or refrigerator ,beriefly ugly

I do not think so inside like this , I hope

2005 facelift inside absolutly genious and great

I know you're trying to say something... but I'm not sure what it is... :nix:

shahedC 11-09-2006 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by ismeto
but I did not like inside too much What a big cool parts ! this is car or refrigerator ,beriefly ugly

I do not think so inside like this , I hope

2005 facelift inside absolutly genious and great


Originally Posted by Nola (Post 1832363)
I know you're trying to say something... but I'm not sure what it is... :nix:


Let me try:
ismeto: but I did not like inside too much
Translation: But I did not really like the interior.


ismeto: What a big cool parts !
Translation: What a spacious cold interior! (maybe cool is not referring to the car being "cool" in a positive sense, but rather, that it looks cold an uninviting?)


ismeto: this is car or refrigerator
Translation: Is this a car or a refrigerator?

ismeto: beriefly ugly
Translation: Umm.. this car is ugly for a short period of time?


ismeto: I do not think so inside like this , I hope
Translation: I did not expect the interior to be like this, at least I had hoped it would not be like this.

drexappeal 11-09-2006 12:12 PM

Honestly, the way the body stylings look on the w203, I'll probably save up a good amount of money and do an engine swap before buying a w204. I think some portions of it look like a VW Jetta.

MB-JIM 11-09-2006 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by MB-JIM (Post 1831797)
One reason I have never considered a BMW is that they do not have retractable rear headrests. I like the best possible rear view. If MB has eliminated the retractible headrests I may re-think my car choices.

It was confirmed today on jesmb that the rear head restraints will no longer be retractable. Now, what do I do? This must be another one of the many costy reductions!!!!!!!!!

14cue 11-09-2006 07:18 PM

the rear headrests look really cheap and bulky.
ugs.

pmb600 11-09-2006 09:17 PM

what is wrong with mercedes. more examples of removing content from vehicles in an effort to keep prices down.

ismeto 11-11-2006 04:31 PM

Which is the colour ?
 
it seems Green but diffrent tone or name --dark green, black green ?

Whatever its name, I like it :bow:

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/9018/1af5.png

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5623/2zu5.png


to Moderators !

Why don't keep this thread as Sticky ? :crazy:

blueserenity777 11-11-2006 05:13 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Check out the new undisguised W204..prior to it getting the black wrap for its test run..

blueserenity777 11-11-2006 05:17 PM

I did see an mpeg test run of the W204 AMG test..Glorious V8...quad exhaust..full black wrappings though..

ctC230K 11-12-2006 03:10 AM


Originally Posted by Nola (Post 1832278)
They are there so that leaves will go through them and collect in some unreachable place under the hood.

LMFAO!!! :rolf:

ismeto 11-12-2006 03:25 PM

2008 C_coupe ???
 
shorter is good ? MB says it will be less expensive so this shorter than current .

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3...sscoupezx2.jpg

MB2006 11-12-2006 08:30 PM

at least i know it is NOT going to be my next car. :evil:

rlee02135 11-12-2006 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by MB2006 (Post 1837917)
at least i know it is NOT going to be my next car. :evil:

+1

pmb600 11-12-2006 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by MB2006 (Post 1837917)
at least i know it is NOT going to be my next car. :evil:

:ditto:

I guess I'll have to get an E-Class next.

ctC230K 11-12-2006 11:45 PM

that coupe is obviously just some artist's rendition. no way that is real.

ScottW911 11-13-2006 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by ismeto (Post 1837439)
shorter is good ? MB says it will be less expensive so this shorter than current .

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3...sscoupezx2.jpg

I dunno. Although it does appear to be an artist rendering, It might not be so bad. It seems to have a more true Coupe look, instead of a Chopped-off Sedan look. Once again, let's wait to see the iron on the ground before passing final judgement.

tee_tz 11-13-2006 04:02 PM

On one hand I don't like it at all.... But on the other, I think I just like the W203 too much. The W203 actually looked better in every year. I mean the first one was great – the 2004 (or 2005) when the first added the AMG Body Kit looked amazing, and the latest 2007 with the AMG Body Kit and dual exhaust, black interior, looks even more amazing… It’s hard to imagine something better.

It’s funny, a lot of times when Mercedes changes a model my first reaction is disappointment. I’d be like: what the hell were they thinking!! Don’t they get people’s impressions before releasing it?? Do these people know how to design a car?? Are these people stupid the car looks like a Honda, or Cadillac, or this or that... But then I realized something -- what am I thinking -- these people are professionals who study this for a living, this is their job – and in most cases, these are the same people who’ve brought us the E’s, SL’s, S-Class, and yes, the W203.

Slowly but surely I start to love the new designs – it’s modern for the times but classic to last a lifetime, I mean surely we can agree that in the year 2020 the W203 won’t look all thaaat good anymore.

Let me draw a case of first impressions: the new S-Class. I mean the old 2006 S-Class was soooo beautiful - especially the ones with the AMG body kit, they looked so amazing and I was thinking to myself, why change that! That looks hot! At first I resisted the new one – I thought it’s too soon, give this shape one more year – or give me 4 more years so I can afford one before you oust it. But slowly and surely the new one came and after seeing it, I didn’t just accept it, I loved it. It’s beautiful, it’s modern, it’s classy, and it’s techie… hey! It’s an S-Class. And I felt the same with the BMW 7-Series, 5-Series and 3-Series.

So it’s funny, while we’re sitting here trashing the car (me included; although we’re not trashing it – just giving our first impressions) – I wonder whether if we went back to the old posts in the W202 Forum whether they were once trashing the W203… It’s funny like that, but 1 thing I can assure you folks, who like me have trouble accepting the new controversial designs, Mercedes-Benz have always produced brilliant cars and they never mess up.

So on that note – it’s just a matter of time before we all start listing our cars in the classifieds section or run to the dealerships trying to trade our outdated W203’s in.

Just one point of view.


Tee_Tz.

diamondblak05 11-13-2006 04:07 PM

http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/9018/1af5.png

That butt is just plain ulgy. But I can't wait to see it in person though. Maybe in person it might be better.

KILLERHERTZ 11-13-2006 05:42 PM

Heres my PhotoShop impression of the AMG version:

https://i106.photobucket.com/albums/...TZ/w204amg.jpg

https://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5623/2zu5.png

ScottW911 11-13-2006 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by BBW (Post 1839409)
Heres my PhotoShop impression of the AMG version:

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...TZ/w204amg.jpg

Hmmmmmmmmm.............Yep, things look better and better as we play with the "what-if's".

CarLAB 11-13-2006 05:58 PM

i like it a lot :y can't wait for the release.

Regards

Darwin W

ScottW911 11-13-2006 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BBW (Post 1839409)
Heres my PhotoShop impression of the AMG version:

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m...TZ/w204amg.jpg

Actually, someone beat you to the punch. I've had this sitting on my computer for several months. I thought I had copied it for this forum. If it's repeat, sorry.

KILLERHERTZ 11-13-2006 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by ScottW911 (Post 1839608)
Actually, someone beat you to the punch. I've had this sitting on my computer for several months. I thought I had copied it for this forum. If it's repeat, sorry.

Mines from the final version though :cool:

ScottW911 11-13-2006 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by BBW (Post 1839612)
Mines from the final version though :cool:

True enough. You'll notice the side crease running fore-to-aft is reversed in the final version. It fold down instead of up.

MB-JIM 11-15-2006 05:27 PM

Trunk Capacity
 
I have read from several sources that the trunk capacity will be 475 L.
That would make the trunk 16.77 Cubic Feet which is larger than the
S Class 16.3 Cubic Feet.

The only way I think they can get this capacity is to no longer include a spare tire. They probably reason that sinice BMW doesn't include a spare in their 3 Series, why should they in the C Class. It would be another cost savings along with reduced weight.

ismeto 11-15-2006 05:32 PM

(Real) W204 AMG version
 
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2547/204amglc0.jpg

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/9022/204amg2ro0.jpg

ismeto 11-15-2006 05:51 PM

like these shoots
 
:bow:

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphoto...rcedes-c-class

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphoto...rcedes-c-class

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphoto...rcedes-c-class

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphoto...rcedes-c-class

ScottW911 11-15-2006 07:21 PM

......Still with the Monster-Truck side-view mirrors, eh?

pmb600 11-15-2006 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by ScottW911 (Post 1843339)
......Still with the Monster-Truck side-view mirrors, eh?

That's becaues of new EU safety regs.

NYR99 11-15-2006 10:53 PM

I like the headlights...

ctC230K 11-15-2006 10:57 PM


Originally Posted by ScottW911 (Post 1843339)
......Still with the Monster-Truck side-view mirrors, eh?

lol, ford excursion mirrors even
http://www.edmunds.com/media/news/co...ursion.500.jpg

satch 11-16-2006 10:05 PM

This is what I saw in Winding Road's online magazine:

http://news.windingroad.com/auto-new...-benz-c-class/

yeuchau 11-16-2006 11:21 PM

don't like it, but will have to see the acutal car

ctC230K 11-18-2006 12:16 PM

doesn't it look like the car was in an accident or something? like the back of the car got squished in?

http://news.windingroad.com/wp-conte.../c-class-2.jpg

MJ50 11-18-2006 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by ctC230K (Post 1847670)
doesn't it look like the car was in an accident or something? like the back of the car got squished in?

http://news.windingroad.com/wp-conte.../c-class-2.jpg

the tails look like honda civic :(

ctC230K 11-18-2006 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by mj50 (Post 1847691)
the tails look like honda civic :(

wow you're right! :(

http://www.edmunds.com/media/roadtes....civic.340.jpg

mbny 11-19-2006 01:52 PM

[QUOTE=ctC230K;1847670]doesn't it look like the car was in an accident or something? like the back of the car got squished in?

yeah, rear end looks alittle tiny for the size of the car. Almost looks like a hatchback. not feeling this at all. Doesn't matter anyway, I'm in love with the 335i coupe. Can't wait till my lease is up! :)

GPI 11-19-2006 02:32 PM

The rear looks good to me. Just can't wait to see the front. Should be sharp-looking and sporty.

NYR99 11-19-2006 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by GPI (Post 1848672)
The rear looks good to me. Just can't wait to see the front. Should be sharp-looking and sporty.

I'm with you...

connectcctv 11-21-2006 03:37 PM

2008 C Class Finished Shots
 
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Looks like they have finished it

ScottW911 11-21-2006 03:39 PM

Mods, Maybe we should merge this one with all the other threads showing these shots.

BadAssC230k 11-21-2006 03:48 PM

gimme the c63!

drexappeal 11-21-2006 03:53 PM

One last time...
 
Search first, PLEASE, people. There is an official w204 thread.

MB-JIM 11-23-2006 02:40 PM

Production photo of C204 Sport
 
Check WorldCarFans.com for photo of pre-production C204 Sport built at the Bremen plant.

maecclass 11-23-2006 04:12 PM

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here is a pic

NYR99 11-23-2006 04:28 PM

Wow, that grill is huge...Of course, I'm not going for the Sport anyways so it doesn't bother me.

Not a fan of the trunk.

GPI 11-23-2006 04:49 PM

I think the headlights are not what they are suppose to look like base upon the disguised pics posted previously.

NYR99 11-23-2006 05:01 PM

I hope so. They are fairly plain looking...need to borrow more from the S class!

Also, I am waiting to see the standard version (star on hood, not in the grill). Haven't seen any new spy pics of that in months. However, if it looks like the below, I would be impressed. Based on the above Sport pic, I think the below is legit as well:

http://www.jesdc.de/news/news/pics/w204-19.jpg

ismeto 11-23-2006 06:06 PM

Star and Coupe
 
I think, for Mercedes , Star -especially its saloon cars- not good looking like this shot.

here there is sentence ; Driver must show the Star in Mercedes

Coupe is coming back ? they say;

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphoto...lass-uncovered

Pashap5 11-24-2006 12:01 AM

judging by the picture above..if you cover the benz sign in the grill..it looks like a dogde...lines just don't flow...but better see it in person

zam2000 11-25-2006 12:58 PM

New C class, not too impressed with it
 
Hopefully the one with AMG package will look (much) better

http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphot...123.002.1M.jpg

http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphot...002.mini2L.jpg

TA-9FF 11-25-2006 01:39 PM

Guess they're not really trying anymore these days over at DC.

dnasty8305 11-25-2006 01:55 PM

definately ugly...the mirrors aint even the same color as the car thats wack..........

kickR 11-25-2006 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by dnasty8305 (Post 1856089)
definately ugly...the mirrors aint even the same color as the car thats wack..........

maybe because its photoshop?

14cue 11-25-2006 02:57 PM

that front grill is hideous, it so massive. it does not match the car. oh well, at least we have a w203 :Y

RonKMiller 11-25-2006 04:10 PM

Hard to tell from that angle - but:

The body looks like it was stolen from an Accord.
The headlights look kind of like a BMW.
The grill is just WAY too much - whatever happened to subtlety and distinction?
The non-color matched mirrors are just plain cheap.

All in all it looks like it was put together by a comittee trying to come up with something fresh from an old parts bin - I think they have done nothing but make it look like just about every other commodity sedan on the road.

YAWN....:tear:

TruTaing 11-25-2006 04:58 PM

I just noticed there is no hood emblem.... Is mb trying to ditch the hood emblem?

TA-9FF 11-25-2006 05:09 PM

Do you guys remember the last gen BMW 325i; when it first came out, it had non-matched bumpers, mirrors, and the trunk latch was also unpainted. In order to have everything painted and matched, you had to shell out for a 330i.

I think MB is going for that distinction. Perhaps they want the base model C to look like ASS, and try to spruce up the loaded model. Just a thought.

velvet fog 11-25-2006 06:00 PM

I think it has a little too much "flame surfacing". :smash:

sdsilverm3 11-25-2006 06:02 PM

Ew. Front grille has gots to go!

BlackLiquorish8 11-25-2006 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by sdsilverm3 (Post 1856312)
Ew. Front grille has gots to go!



haha word that grill looks like it belongs on a ML

yeuchau 11-25-2006 06:40 PM

i never like it when i first saw the picture

coin 11-25-2006 06:50 PM

I don't like the headlights .. The two "merged" round headlights on our W203 look better ..

yeuchau 11-25-2006 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by coin (Post 1856372)
I don't like the headlights .. The two "merged" round headlights on our W203 look better ..

that's right

KNS230 11-25-2006 06:53 PM

I'm pretty sure that the grill (and possibly the headlights, as well) are photoshopped. If you look at the germancarfan's article, it says that the tape was removed digitally for the picture you see above. So you dont have to worry about the big ugly grill....yet

GPI 11-26-2006 03:37 AM


Originally Posted by NYR99 (Post 1854314)
I hope so. They are fairly plain looking...need to borrow more from the S class!

Also, I am waiting to see the standard version (star on hood, not in the grill). Haven't seen any new spy pics of that in months. However, if it looks like the below, I would be impressed. Based on the above Sport pic, I think the below is legit as well:

http://www.jesdc.de/news/news/pics/w204-19.jpg

If that is what the W204 is going to look like, it would be awesome!

Moviela 11-26-2006 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by Pashap5 (Post 1854620)
judging by the picture above..if you cover the benz sign in the grill..it looks like a dogde...lines just don't flow...but better see it in person

Naw, not a Dodge.........Plymouth

pmb600 11-26-2006 01:59 PM

I read somewhere that all the Sport models will have the grill star and no hood star. I hate that, I love my hood star and its not going anywhere anytime soon!

I do like that picture that NYR99 posted above of the luxury version of the car, it looks nice.

ctC230K 11-26-2006 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by pmb600 (Post 1857149)
I read somewhere that all the Sport models will have the grill star and no hood star. I hate that, I love my hood star and its not going anywhere anytime soon!

haha same here

white_w203 11-26-2006 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by mj50 (Post 1847691)
the tails look like honda civic :(

i used to say it looked like a mini s-class, but now it starts to look like the new civic. :mad:

NYR99 11-26-2006 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by TruTaing (Post 1856232)
I just noticed there is no hood emblem.... Is mb trying to ditch the hood emblem?

There will be 3 versions of the C Class: Sport, Classic, and Elegance.

Like pmb600 stated, the Sport (the red one pictured in this thread) is the sport, which does not have the star on the hood, but rather then MB star in the grill.

Again, more proof as to why we shouldn't be going off of this picture. They even admitted to photshopping some of it, so it's open to interpatation, especially the grill!

NYR99 12-13-2006 08:49 PM

Don't think anyone posted this.

From http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools

On the occasion of the anniversary to 50 years DaimlerChrysler production in Brazil admits given that starting from that 1. Quarter will come 2007 C-class the Sportcoupé, main intended for the export to Europe, in Juiz de Fora (Brazil) off the line. The moreover one preparations for the next generation of the Sportcoupés are made, which is to be produced starting from approx. 2008. It essentially develops on the current Sportcoupé, receives however beside a new outer hull also new engines.

sklasse 12-14-2006 01:48 AM

the main thing MB had going for it was its good style/looks..but after seeing these pictures..I feel that alot of buyers are going to move away from the brand. what got me interested in MB in the first place was C55's awesome style , then the w210 etc. Now, I think MB has lost its direction, unique identity and the strongest reason why people chose it..THAT IT IS NOT A ACURA/TOYOTA

oh well get the old "classics' before they are gone.

valdes 12-14-2006 10:38 AM

I dont think they will look bad i just think it is time to revolucionize all the models again so they had to do it i mean its time already

NYR99 12-24-2006 05:40 PM

We finally have a date!

The New 2008 Mercedes C-class will be unveiled on January 18th, 2007.

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2006/12...-unveiled.html


While searching the net for more info concerning the validity or not of a pic we found this morning featuring the 2008 Mercedes GLK –or-MLK, we stumble upon a very interesting article on Automobilwoche, which is a sister publication of Autonews. According to the German news-zine, the next generation Mercedes C-Class will be presented for the first time on January the 18th in Stuttgart, with its public premiere following in March at the Geneva Motor Show (sales start in Europe on April).
I also just read MB has stopped production of the w203 on December 14th.

New Image from South Africa. Looks fantastic in white! This is what I expected!

http://www.autospies.com/images/user...218-125453.jpg

NYR99 12-24-2006 05:44 PM

Sorry, thought this deserved it's own post. Apparantly, these are some shots that have been prepared for the 18th.

http://media.autobild.de/bild/3/0258...cffefab3_1.jpg

http://media.autobild.de/bild/0/2c74...18334b30_1.jpg

I love it!! Those pics of the Red Sport that were released a couple of weeks ago do not do justice for the w204!!!

JWS3 12-24-2006 05:50 PM

Curious- Are there any interior shots of the new "C"?
 
I am hoping MB hasn't followed BMW down the cheap & fugly road.....:crazy:

TruTaing 12-24-2006 07:34 PM

I ono... i swear the rear end looks alot like the w211, but w/ a slightly different shaped taillight.....

-j0hn

Rareamg 12-24-2006 07:40 PM

I like it.

sdsilverm3 12-24-2006 09:15 PM

I'm liking the looks of it from the rear. I can already see the quad tail pipes for the C63. Can't wait to see it in WHITE! :y

TA-9FF 12-24-2006 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by NYR99 (Post 1902603)
Sorry, thought this deserved it's own post. Apparantly, these are some shots that have been prepared for the 18th.

http://media.autobild.de/bild/3/0258...cffefab3_1.jpg

http://media.autobild.de/bild/0/2c74...18334b30_1.jpg

I love it!! Those pics of the Red Sport that were released a couple of weeks ago do not do justice for the w204!!!

If this is what the new W204 production will look like, then I dig it. I STILL think the outside mirrors are too big though...........

ctC230K 12-25-2006 12:59 AM


Originally Posted by TA-9FF (Post 1902781)
If this is what the new W204 production will look like, then I dig it. I STILL think the outside mirrors are too big though...........

yeah those mirrors have got to be smaller than that

sklasse 12-25-2006 01:25 AM

imo, the w203 is still better looking..but it looks very similar to the 3 -series especially the side 'flaming' surface , and the rear end treatment.

M230K 12-25-2006 03:37 AM

W203 would turn way more heads then the new W204s. The new ones just look like an old-folk retirement car :nix:

GPI 12-25-2006 01:18 PM

The rear looks great. I'm really waiting for the official unveiling of it. Hope the mirrors are smaller and the interior looks great!

NYR99 12-25-2006 04:04 PM

I think it was discussed a page back the the mirrors will be smaller in North America, and that they are bigger in the pics due to European guidelines, or something to that effect....

tee_tz 12-25-2006 07:21 PM

I like, I like... The ones in South Africa look like the 'real photos', and it looks good. I suppose we'll soon be seeing the 'real thing' anyway. Hopefully they'll have an AMG kit for it and it'll look aggressive. So far in the pictures I see, it looks more luxurious than sports sedan.

We'll see...


Tee_Tz.

MB-JIM 12-25-2006 08:02 PM

I'm very pleased to see that the mirrors are larger. I"m willing to sacrifice appearance for better rear visibility. The W203/211 mirrors are too small for safety.

slammedcclass 12-25-2006 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by M230K (Post 1903065)
W203 would turn way more heads then the new W204s. The new ones just look like an old-folk retirement car :nix:

i hope thats not true :rolf: :rolf:

pmb600 12-25-2006 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by NYR99 (Post 1903374)
I think it was discussed a page back the the mirrors will be smaller in North America, and that they are bigger in the pics due to European guidelines, or something to that effect....

I was the one that posted about the mirror guidelines in the EU. While I am not sure, I think they will be the same in the US, look at the 2007 facelifted E-Class, they have the same shaped larger mirrors. What I can't explain is the 2007 S-Class and CL-Class mirrors, since they are very small and oval shaped. One review I saw somewhere said that was one of the cars few negative attributes because of bad visibility.

phattbam 12-26-2006 07:09 PM

back end looks very A6 ish to me anyways.

dchou 12-26-2006 11:22 PM

Wow, it looks disappointingly like the Acura TL from the front, just different head lights. The sides, shape, and stance are really similar. I hope it comes out differently.

bensitto 12-27-2006 12:11 AM

I agree the W203 has more style. Softer Porsche like features. Smooth curves. Headlight shape looks more unique. Very proportional car. Interior does look more expensive too. You can't confuse it with any other car.

The 204 trunk looks smaller (stubby), car height looks higher, Headlights & tails look like a japanese car, no offense. Looks like they used more plastics on the interior console. The C63 with AMG styling may be the only version of this car I would consider because of AMG's aggresive styling... and the engine! Base models will definitely need a aftermarket facelift. Let's see what Lorinser, Brabus & Carlsson come up with!!!

Nuvolari 12-27-2006 03:11 PM

No clear shots of the finished car but here is a short video of the W204 under development testing:

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2006/12...-official.html

AndrewAZ 12-28-2006 07:10 PM

New C?
 
Does anyone have a definite date on the new C class? My dealer is saying possibly in February. I have read other places that it wont come till next october... I am thinking about leasing a current C230 for 27month and dont mind driving the old body style for a year but I dont want to get a C230 then have it change in 2 months. Anyways I have until the 31st to decide on either the C230, G35, or A4.

Buellwinkle 12-28-2006 08:03 PM

Trust me, I've owned several new MBs, never buy a new model from MB the first year or two. They are horrible. I bought one of the first shipment of W201, they did a lemon law buyback, gave me a new one, that one needed a tranny, horn, radio in the first 2 weeks. I bought a W203 coupe the first month it came out, 17 times in the shop the first year. The current E was horrible the first year or two, lots of problems. Get a 2007 and drive the heck out of it for 27 months and then get a nice deal on a 2009 or 2010 and you'll be much happier, yet less trendier.

AndrewAZ 12-28-2006 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by Buellwinkle (Post 1907611)
Trust me, I've owned several new MBs, never buy a new model from MB the first year or two. They are horrible. I bought one of the first shipment of W201, they did a lemon law buyback, gave me a new one, that one needed a tranny, horn, radio in the first 2 weeks. I bought a W203 coupe the first month it came out, 17 times in the shop the first year. The current E was horrible the first year or two, lots of problems. Get a 2007 and drive the heck out of it for 27 months and then get a nice deal on a 2009 or 2010 and you'll be much happier, yet less trendier.

I guess you are right. Thats good advice. I remember the early E's and especially the MLs that never seemed to improve over the years.

Pashap5 12-28-2006 10:28 PM

I agree with buell, I had the same experience..with my Coupe and my W202..have to wait a few years for the model to prove itself..

mkaresh 12-30-2006 01:18 PM

With enough cars signed up, I'll have initial reliability results on the new car 4-6 months after it goes on sale. Bit of an "if" with Mercedes, as I'm not collecting data on any Mercedes models yet.

My suspicion is that people who care about reliability info don't buy Mercedes. Audi owners aren't much different. People on an Audi forum even told me, "If you care about reliability, don't buy an Audi."

BMW owners are more interested. There are already 44 2006 3-Series in the panel. Most I have for any C-Class are 17, for the 2005.

GDawgC220 12-30-2006 01:54 PM

Every car maker has some bad ones that come off the assembly line, can't let some people on an enthusiast forum change your mind. I'd recommend Audi, mine has been great for the 2 years and 54k miles I've had it so far. The current A4 body will expire probably late '07 early '08 as the B8 chassis comes out but the current body has proven itself.

white_w203 12-30-2006 01:56 PM

they just changed the look on the g35. the front end looks like a cls. i dont really like the new look for audi....you minus well get a volkswagen for cheaper.

GDawgC220 12-30-2006 04:29 PM

difference between a VW and Audi are much different now than in the past...Audi is worlds better than VWs now. But I guess that'll always be up for debate...

MB-JIM 12-30-2006 09:04 PM

The W204's should be the most relieble cars ever for Mercedes right out of the block. Motor Trend said:

"Mercedes recognizes that its image as a builder of trustworthy and long-lived velicles has taken a knock, so the new car has done more test mileage than any Mercedes model before it, according to the automaker. Some 280 prototypes covered a total of 140 million test miles worldwide."

I would have no hesitancy to buy a W204 as soon as they are availabe. My 2006 C350 is the most reliable car I have ever owned.

mkaresh 12-30-2006 10:49 PM


Originally Posted by MB-JIM (Post 1910276)
The W204's should be the most relieble cars ever for Mercedes right out of the block. Motor Trend said:

"Mercedes recognizes that its image as a builder of trustworthy and long-lived velicles has taken a knock, so the new car has done more test mileage than any Mercedes model before it, according to the automaker. Some 280 prototypes covered a total of 140 million test miles worldwide."

I would have no hesitancy to buy a W204 as soon as they are availabe. My 2006 C350 is the most reliable car I have ever owned.

That averages out to 500,000 miles per prototype. Let's say they averaged 50 MPH, which is a stretch. This would be 10,000 hours per car. You'd have to drive the car around the clock for over a year to rack up that many miles. Simply impossible, even for a single car.

And they supposedly did this with 280 cars? For a total of at least 2.8 million hours? No way.

Aside from the time, the cost would be astronomical. It costs at least $100 per hour to support a German engineer. So we'd be talking $280 million just to pay people to conduct durability testing.

That number must be off by at least a factor of ten.

No fault on your part. It is in Motor Trend here:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...s_benz_c_class

Sorry, but this is :bs:

Author is Paul Horrell. Clearly quality control isn't his strength, even when discussing quality.

Your car is near the end of the current generation. I hope it's reliable. One thing I've noticed even with unreliable models, though, is that many of their owners can have zero problems. The average problem rate is that low these days.

GPI 12-31-2006 04:20 AM

I agree with you mb-jim. I'm really waiting for it to be released.

METC240 12-31-2006 04:39 AM


Originally Posted by mkaresh (Post 1910444)
That averages out to 500,000 miles per prototype. Let's say they averaged 50 MPH, which is a stretch. This would be 10,000 hours per car. You'd have to drive the car around the clock for over a year to rack up that many miles. Simply impossible, even for a single car.

And they supposedly did this with 280 cars? For a total of at least 2.8 million hours? No way.

Aside from the time, the cost would be astronomical. It costs at least $100 per hour to support a German engineer. So we'd be talking $280 million just to pay people to conduct durability testing.

That number must be off by at least a factor of ten.

No fault on your part. It is in Motor Trend here:


http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...s_benz_c_class

Sorry, but this is :bs:

Author is Paul Horrell. Clearly quality control isn't his strength, even when discussing quality.

Your car is near the end of the current generation. I hope it's reliable. One thing I've noticed even with unreliable models, though, is that many of their owners can have zero problems. The average problem rate is that low these days.

I must admit my C240 has done nothing wrong. I am coming from an 01 GTI VR6 that in the first 4 months saw more time in the shop than my wifes expedition. :wwf:
Almost had it declared a lemon until the dealer found the issue to be related to a bad wires leading to ECU...:rolleyes: from then on it was a great ride.

Point is every manufacture goes through this with any changes in a popular line up. Look at BMW and the redesign of the 740... nothing but electrical issue with the center console. took one year to fix and educate how to use a "joystick / Mouse"

If it was not for the third kid coming I would jump into a 204 but instead am looking at 211.... no if I can Just get my wife to agree :cool:

mkaresh 12-31-2006 11:46 AM

I use a trick or two to make three kids in the back of a compact very doable. In fact, I do it nearly every day.

One thing that's far from obvious on forums like this one is that even for relatively unreliable models most owners have few or even no problems. The average is so low these days that it doesn't take much to be "much worse than average." With any car you're odds of having no problems at all are much higher than people think.

That's why I'm focusing on absolute rather than relative reliability stats in my own research. That way, people might see that even if the car they want isn't the most reliable we're just talking about an extra trip or two to the shop the whole time they'll own it.

pmb600 01-02-2007 11:32 AM

There are some new spyshots of the front end of the 204 C-Class and several with the headlights revealed! Check out this website:
http://jesmb.de/indexie.htm

Click on W204 under the news section.

I have to say I think I like the front end much better than I originally thought I would.

And so it begins...I'm sure by the official reveal date I will be completely in love with the car...

Pashap5 01-03-2007 01:47 AM

in one of the pics of the rear it looks like that it is going to finally have LED turn signals and back up lamps...not too sure...but if you enlarge the pic you will know what i mean..

yeuchau 01-03-2007 02:15 AM

i agree
don't get the first year car
even though all the issues will be covered, but you just don't want to bring the car to dealer all the time

pmb600 01-03-2007 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by Pashap5 (Post 1914226)
in one of the pics of the rear it looks like that it is going to finally have LED turn signals and back up lamps...not too sure...but if you enlarge the pic you will know what i mean..

Yes thats what I thought too. But I think I read somewhere that only the "avantguard" will be getting LEDs, also known as the sport sedan in the US. Like with the 2007 E-Class, sport package models get LEDs and non-sport get regular lights.

I also saw a short thing in Automobile mag yesterday about the C-Class it said it will get Keyless Go, Panorama roof, among tech options.

maguzma 01-03-2007 09:30 PM

This month's car and driver magazine has the latest picture of the new W204. It caption states that the new c-class will be in showrooms floors this summer.

NYR99 01-03-2007 10:04 PM

Headlights look fantastic. I'm all but sold.

15 days and counting....

Translated text from jesmb:

In the picture it is good to recognize that the turn signals consist in the tail lamps of LED lights. As is the case for the E-class Mopf avant-garde gets also the C-class avant-garde the two chrome Zierstreifen around the nebula lights. The CONTROLLER, admits also as Comand CONTROLLER, is also present with the radios version and the audio 50 APS. The moreover one one recognizes in the pictures that the first picture is in the upper row a Elegance, which does not have a ILS. The vehicles in the pictures at night have that intelligently Light system. (Thanks at Alessandro and Ilija for the photos at night)

NYR99 01-03-2007 10:12 PM

More pics....less camo, but still covered up. Last pic is the best one:

http://www.autoblog.nl/images/wp/Mer...ts%2012-06.jpg

http://www.autoblog.nl/images/wp/Mer...%20%286%29.jpg

http://www.autoblog.nl/images/wp/Mer...%20%285%29.jpg

http://www.autoblog.nl/images/wp/Mer...%20%281%29.jpg

Also, pulled this from CarSpyShots:

C 180 Kompressor, 4-Zyl. 1796 cm3; 156 PS; 223 km/h
C 200 Kompressor, 4-Zyl. 1796 cm3; 184 PS; 235 km/h
C 230 V6 2496 cm3; 204 PS; 240 km/h
C 280 V6 2996 cm3; 231 PS; 250 km/h
C 350 V6 3498 cm3; 272 PS; 250 km/h
C 200 CDI 4-Zyl. 2148 cm3; 136 PS; 215 km/h
C 220 CDI 4-Zyl. 2148 cm3; 170 PS; 229 km/h
C 320 CDI V6 2987 cm3; 224 PS; 250 km/h
C 350 CGI V6 3498 cm3; 292 PS; 250 km/h
C 63 AMG V8 6208 cm3; 450 PS; 250 km/h
autozeitung.de

Mr. Vanos 01-06-2007 02:55 PM

Spy shots new C-Class
 
5 Attachment(s)
Took these this morning on the N 605 Fwy in SoCal with my handy Blackjack phone. I believe it's the new W204 C-Class. They certainly don't like you taking pics of them...he tried to get away but eventually gave in. Couldn't get a clear front shot. Enjoy...

washoor 01-06-2007 03:04 PM

Still don't like it, why they are making it bigger?:)

rodngun762 01-06-2007 03:13 PM

Very cool! (the pics that is, still not sure on the design :nix: )

Thanks for posting.

Saprissa 01-06-2007 05:16 PM

good spy work Mr. V

should come work with me !! :D:D :D

Mr. Vanos 01-06-2007 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by Saprissa (Post 1920831)
good spy work Mr. V

should come work with me !! :D:D :D

No, you travel too much! :D

robbyt18 01-06-2007 06:28 PM

Well done. I didn't know I should be on the look out for the W204 in SoCal. I'll keep an eye out now.

Saprissa 01-06-2007 06:40 PM

if you see the W204, drag it with you to the Mercedes-Benz Tri-State Meet on January 20th, in Irvine, CA.

MBUSA should take advantage of captive audiences and seek their views/opinions. Something to build on from the W203 experience.

Carlos
:zoom:
Saprissa@aol.com

wizkid 01-06-2007 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by washoor (Post 1920562)
Still don't like it, why they are making it bigger?:)

Man, I will have an 2003 or newer S500 within 3 years if all goes right because of room.

Getting in and out of the back seat of a C240 is not that easy. I'm 5' 9" and 170 so I am not an old man or big. Knee room as I call it isn't that great either and putting a child seat back there cna be catasrophic on my laid back seat style so I make my wife suffer when we keep my neices. ;)

It could be a little bigger in the back seat but I could deal with a smaller trunk to keep the size down.

Good job on the pic's. You clowned that dude running around in a ghetto style MB. ;) I bet he was like, "(*&^ those MBWorld.org fanatics!"

white_w203 01-06-2007 09:01 PM

its getting closer and closer guys.

JamE55 01-06-2007 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by Mr. Vanos (Post 1920554)
Took these this morning on the N 605 Fwy in SoCal with my handy Blackjack phone. I believe it's the new W204 C-Class. They certainly don't like you taking pics of them...he tried to get away but eventually gave in. Couldn't get a clear front shot. Enjoy...

So did you race it with the EVO M5 and show em who's the boss?:naughty: :D

KIRA 01-06-2007 11:24 PM

anyone wanna play GTA?

MB-JIM 01-09-2007 05:34 PM

W204 Design Details
 
<http://www.theautochannel.com/link.html?http://www.eMercedesBenz.com/>

ScottW911 01-09-2007 06:21 PM

Jim, all I'm seeing is a bad link.:nix:

MB-JIM 01-09-2007 06:23 PM

Just try the autochannel.com

Buellwinkle 01-09-2007 07:59 PM

It works at http://www.eMercedesBenz.com I have no doubts that MB can engineer the best cars in the world. Unfortunately, it loses something in the translation when it gets to manufacturing, specially the first year. I'm looking forward to the Chery, is that coming out for 2008?

AshleyAlissa 01-09-2007 09:09 PM

Over 15 Million Miles Covered : The Testing Of The New Mercedes C-Class
 
Over 50 photos of the new 2008 C-Class being tested. All the photos enlarge if you click them. Have fun, there are a ton!

http://emercedesbenz.com/Jan07/09_Ov...C_Class_1.html

http://emercedesbenz.com/Images/Jan0...6c4637_014.jpg

drexappeal 01-09-2007 09:57 PM

Merged all the newest threads, in case people were wondering.

Outland 01-10-2007 12:23 AM


Originally Posted by Buellwinkle (Post 1927078)
It works at http://www.eMercedesBenz.com I have no doubts that MB can engineer the best cars in the world. Unfortunately, it loses something in the translation when it gets to manufacturing, specially the first year. I'm looking forward to the Chery, is that coming out for 2008?

No doubt, a Chinese car...one that the Chinese market doesn't even consider all that good, over a Benz?

Outland 01-10-2007 12:29 AM

I think its hilarious that car is almost exactly like the supposed photoshops that surfaced nearly four years ago!

Still don't like it.

AshleyAlissa 01-10-2007 08:40 AM

I think the new C-Class looks great, they changed it just enough.


Originally Posted by AshleyAlissa (Post 1927168)
Over 50 photos of the new 2008 C-Class being tested. All the photos enlarge if you click them. Have fun, there are a ton!

http://emercedesbenz.com/Jan07/09_Ov...C_Class_1.html

http://emercedesbenz.com/Images/Jan0...6c4637_014.jpg


emxgarcia 01-10-2007 02:58 PM

http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphot...123.002.1L.jpg

Nice looking but not as classy as the W203... the lines dont flow...

Saprissa 01-10-2007 03:05 PM

if it wasn't for the STAR, i'd say it's just another AUDI/VW that Hyundai and Kia are going to copy.

I think I'll buy an old 1980's AMG.


https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...1&d=1168129861

sick_benz 01-10-2007 03:35 PM

That car looks horibble if it going to look like that. I dont know what is wrong with Mercedes Benz new car designs. They are making them look like Toyotas, and Kias. Dont get me wrong we do need to wait until the car is actually released to be the judge. But the W203 has to be the best looking car for entry level Mercedes Benz.

sick_benz 01-10-2007 07:12 PM

I dont know about the W204 it doesnt look right

cracker123 01-10-2007 07:53 PM

look at page 11, and this one.

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/...06c4055_06.jpg


we need more pics of the interior. ?

AshleyAlissa 01-10-2007 09:45 PM

I think this was the link you were looking for

http://emercedesbenz.com/Jan07/09_Th...totypes_1.html






Originally Posted by MB-JIM (Post 1926827)
<http://www.theautochannel.com/link.html?http://www.eMercedesBenz.com/>


sick_benz 01-11-2007 10:47 PM

I dont know about this new design. Looks like I be keepin the W203 for a long time. Not impressed

sick_benz 01-11-2007 10:58 PM

W203 Vs The New And Upcoming W204 Pros And Cons What Do You Think ?
 
Well I own a 05 C230 SS W203 Mercedes Benz and I absolutely love the car. I mean the sports suspension, amg bumper, and the Bi-Xenons give the car the most agressive look. I also like that this model has the 4cyl engine, and Kompressor Supercharger unlike the 06-07 models. It gives it a bit of an edge. I like the design of this body type. With the new BMW out and the up and coming W204, I still think this is the W203 has the best body for a car today in looks alone. Its just something about this car that stands out. It all goes back to the W201 and the W202. There similar and just alike in a way. But if you add Bi-Xenons Projectors to the W202 it stands out for a good classic car. The new W204 just doesnt look too good. I dont know whats been going on with these designs. For performance Im sure it will be better but the car looks like some sort of toyota, honda, or kia lol. Perfect example the W215 can be called the best designed Mercedes Benz. The new W216 looks like a toyota solara. But I think us W203 guys will have a distinctive car on the road once the W204 comes out. Any imputs

tee_tz 01-11-2007 11:44 PM

Unfortunetely, I respect your opinion but I will totally disagree.

The W204 is much, much needed. The W203 is just embarrasing when it comes to power. It's competiting against Honda Civics, Jetta's and Mistubishi's. The W204 I think is almost 2 years late, so it's about time. I think also the W203 had great styling, but that was it. The W204 will likely have much enhanced technology (inside and out -- play MP3 CDs, better navigation, etc), improvement in a much more sporty ride (like BMW's), and offer an updated look - although the W203 doesn't look dated (yet). But trust me, when the W204 is out in it's 2nd or 3rd year, the 2005 C-Class with the AMG Body kit will start looking like the 1998 C-Class (W202). It always happens, it's the evolution of cars.

No offense to US C-Class (W203) owners. I just feel a serious upgrade was needed. I've got the C320 (2003) and the 330i (2003) and the differences are immaculate. It's night and day and I'd like to see Mercedes offer a very good competiting product. I know the E-Class is Mercedes' bread and butter, hence they prioritize that more, however, it's about time they paid mind to the C-Class.

Trust me sick_benz if you give it a chance, you'll learn to fall in love with it.


Tee_Tz.

Saprissa 01-11-2007 11:58 PM

that's how W202 owners felt about the W203...

it's the natural evolution of MB owners...

I say go backwards... from W203 go to W202, and then W201 and so on...

you gotta love the STAR !!

alpinweiss 01-12-2007 12:16 AM

I will reserve my opinion on the W204 until I actually see one. The outgoing W203 was a very pretty car, especially the sport models.

Speaking of the W203, the 2005 (and late 2004) model may be the highpoint of the C230's. It benefitted from the face-lift and the better dashboard layout. The supercharged 1.8L (M271) was both more powerful and more economical than the 2.5L V-6 that replaced it, despite MB's claims to the contrary. The 6-speed manual transmission was a dream to drive with either engine, but the M271 seemed to be a slightly better match (more torque).
:zoom:

e1000 01-12-2007 12:39 AM


Originally Posted by tee_tz (Post 1931401)
Unfortunetely, I respect your opinion but I will totally disagree.

The W204 is much, much needed. The W203 is just embarrasing when it comes to power. It's competiting against Honda Civics, Jetta's and Mistubishi's. The W204 I think is almost 2 years late, so it's about time. I think also the W203 had great styling, but that was it. The W204 will likely have much enhanced technology (inside and out -- play MP3 CDs, better navigation, etc), improvement in a much more sporty ride (like BMW's), and offer an updated look - although the W203 doesn't look dated (yet). But trust me, when the W204 is out in it's 2nd or 3rd year, the 2005 C-Class with the AMG Body kit will start looking like the 1998 C-Class (W202). It always happens, it's the evolution of cars.

No offense to US C-Class (W203) owners. I just feel a serious upgrade was needed. I've got the C320 (2003) and the 330i (2003) and the differences are immaculate. It's night and day and I'd like to see Mercedes offer a very good competiting product. I know the E-Class is Mercedes' bread and butter, hence they prioritize that more, however, it's about time they paid mind to the C-Class.

Trust me sick_benz if you give it a chance, you'll learn to fall in love with it.


Tee_Tz.

Isn't the W204 slated to have the same M272 engines in the current W203 C230/350? You can also play MP3 CD's in the W203 via the CD Changer. I think you might be a little suprised at how much different the 2005+ C-class is, especially the C350 and of course, the C55.

I really don't want to form too much of an opinion before the car is actually released. Spy photos may just not do the car it's justice. I want to wait until it's actually released before forming an opinion.

drexappeal 01-12-2007 12:53 AM

When I first got to college, I loved the w202 (body styling). When the w203 came out, I loved the body styling even more than the 202. When the actual pics of the w204 came out, I was both sad and happy. Sad that the body styling took a step backwards. Happy that I liked how my w203 looked so much better than the w204. The only reason I can tell is when I got my car, I could've left it bone stock and I still would've loved how it looked. Obviously, I decided I wanted mine to be more unique. When I look at the w204, it is not a car that I could say looks great bone stock. If I were to get one, I'd probably get a body kit immediately after buying it and that's not the normal progression I take in modifying my cars (in fact, it's always the last thing for me).

The only part of the w204 chassis that really has me intrigued is the C63. I'm sure there will be body kits available as the years go by, but I'm glad I went with the w203 early on. The performance (stock) on the w204's will be there compared to the w203 models (w/ exception to '06-'07), but at the same time, I'm hoping that my car will be pushing some good power soon, w/ the small i4 m271 I have in the engine bay.

tee_tz 01-12-2007 01:54 AM


Originally Posted by e1000 (Post 1931499)
Isn't the W204 slated to have the same M272 engines in the current W203 C230/350? You can also play MP3 CD's in the W203 via the CD Changer. I think you might be a little suprised at how much different the 2005+ C-class is, especially the C350 and of course, the C55.

I really don't want to form too much of an opinion before the car is actually released. Spy photos may just not do the car it's justice. I want to wait until it's actually released before forming an opinion.

I hope not! :eek: I mean 181 torque is not where Mercedes-Benz should be at. I mean Audi, BMW, Acura, Honda, and some many others are simply out doing Mercedes at this point.

I agree that the W203 looks good, but I'm sure the W204 will look better. I don't think there's any Mercedes (current/redesigned model) that doesn't look better than the previous generation. It always happens, and just like the example of how I'm sure when the W203 came out W202 owners must have said it looked ugly, some day we'll look bad that we called the W204 ugly.


Tee_Tz.

sick_benz 01-12-2007 11:59 AM

But like mentioned before the W204 doesnt look good at all.

MiKeSSw203 01-12-2007 12:00 PM

I think the new W204 design will grow on me after the face lift. Its strange how a a few tweaks can really change the cars appearance. As for my 2005 C230 W203 I love it and plan on keeping it for a long time. The body shape is perfect and love all the curves. I made the right choice picking the only year with the facelifted M271 engine. Sure it is underpowered but is fun maxing it out around corners. Its a great daily driver for all the miles I rack up here in So Cal.

drexappeal 01-12-2007 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by tee_tz (Post 1931586)
I hope not! :eek: I mean 181 torque is not where Mercedes-Benz should be at. I mean Audi, BMW, Acura, Honda, and some many others are simply out doing Mercedes at this point.

I agree that the W203 looks good, but I'm sure the W204 will look better. I don't think there's any Mercedes (current/redesigned model) that doesn't look better than the previous generation. It always happens, and just like the example of how I'm sure when the W203 came out W202 owners must have said it looked ugly, some day we'll look bad that we called the W204 ugly.


Tee_Tz.

I think the new front end (facelift) on the E class (w211) looks uglier than the earlier w211's.

kickR 01-12-2007 01:09 PM

The reason why I wouldnt trade in my W203:

Going by the pictures that appeared on the internet, I must say that the interior of at least the first years W204 is ugly as hell. I totally dislike the steering wheel and the middle console doesnt look appealing to me either.

I knew what i would get with the purchase of a C230, performance wise, so I wouldnt complain about it now. There was the window for more power, but that includes paying more for a bigger engine which I think is non-sense for the american highway since everything above the already boring speed-limit is illegal.

Blake P 01-12-2007 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by drexappeal (Post 1932302)
I think the new front end (facelift) on the E class (w211) looks uglier than the earlier w211's.

Agreed, except for the E63's. The styling is sharper and more aggressive on the AMG model, but looks silly on the non-AMG's. Have you seen the guy in the E55/63 forum with the blacked out grille and HRE's?! :eek:

EDIT: How can you guys form such strong opinions on a car that hasn't even officially been released? :nix:

drexappeal 01-12-2007 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by Blake P (Post 1932428)
Agreed, except for the E63's. The styling is sharper and more aggressive on the AMG model, but looks silly on the non-AMG's. Have you seen the guy in the E55/63 forum with the blacked out grille and HRE's?! :eek:

EDIT: How can you guys form such strong opinions on a car that hasn't even officially been released? :nix:

That's true, B, but the E55/63 is a completely different story. I was just talking about the luxury version that they have all those commercials for - "Come see the new re-designed E Class." My first reaction when i saw it was, "why'd they change the front end? I don't like the facelift at all compared to how they had it."

As for the w204, I'm just basing it on the spy shots they have and I don't like it. It may be one of those cars that looks better in person, but in comparison to my reaction of the w203 spy shots (when they first were released), I'd say that I don't think I'll like it even when seeing it in person.

Buellwinkle 01-12-2007 02:53 PM

I've bought MB's on their first year out a few times and let me tell you, it's the biggest mistake you can make with cars. My W201 in '83 was horrible, taken back under the lemon law, the replacement I got in '84 was worse in some ways, same with the W203, my 2002 C230 was also horrible, my 2004.5 C230 is perfect. So even if I loved the W204, and it's hard to say from spy shots, I would never buy a 2008 model but appreciate the beta testers that do. 2008 would be the time to get the BMW 325i, it's had a chance to work it's bugs out.

drexappeal 01-12-2007 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by Buellwinkle (Post 1932596)
I've bought MB's on their first year out a few times and let me tell you, it's the biggest mistake you can make with cars. My W201 in '83 was horrible, taken back under the lemon law, the replacement I got in '84 was worse in some ways, same with the W203, my 2002 C230 was also horrible, my 2004.5 C230 is perfect. So even if I loved the W204, and it's hard to say from spy shots, I would never buy a 2008 model but appreciate the beta testers that do. 2008 would be the time to get the BMW 325i, it's had a chance to work it's bugs out.

Buellwinkle, completely agree with 1st year builds. A lot of people I know that have done that, ended up having problems.

14cue 01-12-2007 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by tee_tz (Post 1931586)
I hope not! :eek: I mean 181 torque is not where Mercedes-Benz should be at. I mean Audi, BMW, Acura, Honda, and some many others are simply out doing Mercedes at this point.

which one of those manufacture’s entry level cars have more power than the W203? i mean with the W203 you have the different choices from 240 to 350 to the 55 (in N. America). if you compare that to what the other manufactures are producing for their entry level cars they're at the same level in terms of power.

Boom vang 01-13-2007 09:13 AM

I remember when the first new E class came out in the late nineties, I thought that the oval headlights made it look like a sad car. Over time we got used to it and eventually it looked modern and hip. When the E came out in 2003 it was a much better take on the previous generation, HOWEVER the current E face lift ~2007 looks bad. The grill has a cheesy Korean look (Kia, Hyundai) or a tacky American land yacht design, I think that they missed the mark with this grill. The vertical bars visible in the grill, as well as the point down and the size make the car ugly from the front.

As far as the W204, we have to wait and see until it hits the road and see the car firsthand rather than doctered spy photos. I do think the rear looks a bit generic, something from Honda or Toyota and the sweeping curve down the side is a rip-off of the new 3 series. Some pictures made the car look great and others were a let down. We'll have to see once the car is launched.

As far as the new S-class, I both love and hate it. While it does look elegant I am not quite sure of the PT-Cruiser type fender bulges (these are not flares), as well as the refined Bangle butt. Round fender bulges had their place in the 40's and 50's, the S class does look better in life than in photos.

Again on the same topic, the last CL looked great, not too sure about the new one, it looks way too big

With anything it will take time to adjust and accept. I do think that both MB and BMW products age more gracefully compared to products from Japan. While there are several Japanese cars that have a Wow look to them, they do however look dated when the next generation comes along. I still see lots of W202 on the road and although they had a plain and boring look to them from the very start, they don't look as old as a Camry or Accord from the same vintage

PC Valkyrie 01-13-2007 11:27 PM

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Latest pictures of the W204 C-class with the AMG Sport package.

GPI 01-14-2007 12:32 AM

That is really awesome! I must see when it is totally undisguised.

METC240 01-14-2007 01:29 AM

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Why does this car look like a BMW with the center console? I like the center we have, just look more sexy/classy...

NYR99 01-14-2007 02:29 PM

More interior pics...not sure why they are fuzzy:

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2...7114711ez4.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5...7114712al8.jpg

Exterior:
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/911...7114713uf2.jpg

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/186...7114714na4.jpg


4 more days....

drexappeal 01-14-2007 02:55 PM

AMG looks alright, much better than non-AMG body kit, but even if I had a regular 204, I'd most likely get a body kit as soon as it would be available.

PC Valkyrie 01-15-2007 01:12 PM

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Brochure pics courtesy of Vivaki from Germancarzone.

PC Valkyrie 01-15-2007 01:14 PM

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some more

pmb600 01-15-2007 02:42 PM

I still don't like the interior all that much, but the car is growing on me. These cars usually look better with black interiors though. There isn't enough wood around the dash! Also I'm guessing that with the 204 it will be harder/impossible to retrofit the COMAND system.

14cue 01-15-2007 03:12 PM

that front grille does not work at all. very tack ./me shakes head

TT C6 01-15-2007 04:33 PM

2008 C-Class brochure leaked online. Link inside
 
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/15/o...leaked-on-web/

Now give me a C63 with AWD and Automatic and I will be happy.

C43AMG 01-15-2007 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by TT C6 (Post 1937991)
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/15/o...leaked-on-web/

Now give me a C63 with AWD and Automatic and I will be happy.

2 out of 3 ain't bad - NO AWD...............

nlpamg 01-15-2007 04:41 PM

hmm... not bad. I'm still not liking the interior, but hey it's the first year right? and, the front really really reminds me of the GL.

let's see how the C63 performs... I like how the front bumper has the chrome fog light rings and the traditional AMG design... hopefully it'll be great.

w203elegance 01-15-2007 04:55 PM

The front end looks like a truck. The only thing I like about this car is the steering wheel. :smash:

drexappeal 01-15-2007 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by nlpamg (Post 1938009)
hmm... not bad. I'm still not liking the interior, but hey it's the first year right? and, the front really really reminds me of the GL.

let's see how the C63 performs... I like how the front bumper has the chrome fog light rings and the traditional AMG design... hopefully it'll be great.

Maybe I'll just do a C63 engine swap...LOL.

ctC230K 01-15-2007 06:44 PM

I hate the grill, it's too big and showy with not enough horizontal slats. The steering wheel sucks, the center part is way too big for sporty driving. And that center console, looks like an Acura or Honda Accord!

Saprissa 01-15-2007 08:22 PM

looks like a wanna-be S class...

i'm going to go throw up a little....

pmb600 01-15-2007 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by Saprissa (Post 1938381)
looks like a wanna-be S class...

i'm going to go throw up a little....

The current C-Class shares styling cues from the W220 S-Class, so I don't think that is it's problem. Too bad it doesn't share the interior of the S-Class...

Outland 01-15-2007 10:19 PM


Originally Posted by Saprissa (Post 1938381)
looks like a wanna-be S class...

i'm going to go throw up a little....

Just a little? It makes me violently ill. Car is hideous. Looks like an Acura MDX, repleat with frisbee size emblem. And WTF ever happened to tradition? That star only belongs in the grille of a coupe or a truck.

Way to go Benz, you lost another costumer.

pmb600 01-16-2007 12:06 AM


Originally Posted by Outland (Post 1938613)
Just a little? It makes me violently ill. Car is hideous. Looks like an Acura MDX, repleat with frisbee size emblem. And WTF ever happened to tradition? That star only belongs in the grille of a coupe or a truck.

Way to go Benz, you lost another costumer.

I think the grille star on the sport models is in direct response to American consumers. Look at MB World, tons of sedan owners here have removed their hood star and replaced the grille. Since the US is the largest market for Mercedes behind Germany, they listen to what US consumers want. I personally hate when people rip off the hood star, but Mercedes is just doing what they think they need to to sell cars and that is very sad...

Another example btw, is the new ML and GL center consoles. In a presentation by the M-Class product manager for the US he said that they moved the gear selector to the steering wheel to make room for extra large cupholders that Americans want. It repulses me to think that these fine German machines are now being designed to pander to the wants of fat, stupid American consumers obsessed with conspicuous consumption.

kostas 01-16-2007 12:22 AM

ugh.. i was waiting for this car to come out, i was strongly considering it for when i give up the ML...

i am sorry to say that i will prob end up with the new 335i coupe instead.. sigh...

TREZ63 01-16-2007 02:22 AM

2008 C-Class Brochure Scans
 
Looks AMAZING!!! I love the new styling, very pleased:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.au.../01/new_c1.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.au...01/new_c10.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.au...01/new_c11.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.au...01/new_c12.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.au.../01/new_c2.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.au.../01/new_c7.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.au.../01/new_c8.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.au.../01/new_c9.jpg

AndySays 01-16-2007 02:31 AM

the interior is pretty nice but i can't say the same for the exterior

METC240 01-16-2007 02:48 AM

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I like the inside alot but Again does it not look like a 5 series? it is almost the same, need to get a better inside but you get the idea...:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

14cue 01-16-2007 02:49 AM

interior isnt too bad but i am not a fan of the popup center display and that front grille is hideous.

amgme 01-16-2007 03:22 AM

looks like a baby cl

victorfjr 01-16-2007 08:35 AM

Any word on a c-coupe in the brochure ???

GDawgC220 01-16-2007 10:06 AM

Not a big fan of the exterior and that steering wheel.

tee_tz 01-16-2007 10:23 AM

Well at least not more need of a modding to a white star badge, already done! :)

I'm gonna wait to see this car in person. As I've always said, I'm sure I'll fall in love with it soon or later. And the W203 will be like how we view the W202 now. It's just the concept of evolution.


Tee_Tz.

hector 01-16-2007 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by PC Valkyrie (Post 1935191)
Latest pictures of the W204 C-class with the AMG Sport package.

i really like the two-tone black and white.

neilsam 01-16-2007 02:10 PM

Why does the first picture have a different grille and a stand up star compared to all the other pictures of the grille with a star and a flat hood emblem?

2 different grilles?

eforer 01-16-2007 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by kostas (Post 1938855)
ugh.. i was waiting for this car to come out, i was strongly considering it for when i give up the ML...

i am sorry to say that i will prob end up with the new 335i coupe instead.. sigh...

Agree 100%. I really wanted to stay in the MB family, but the styling alone on this thing is going to make me jump ship.

livestrongONe 01-16-2007 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by eforer (Post 1939907)
Agree 100%. I really wanted to stay in the MB family, but the styling alone on this thing is going to make me jump ship.

I think I might be joining you on that one. Its either a BMW 335i coupe or move way up to a CLS. For the amount of money you going to spend on C63 or making the normal stock C230 look good ,its too much of a hassel.:zoom:

MB-JIM 01-16-2007 05:31 PM

It amazes me how many people seem only concerned about styling features. If I was that concerned about styling, I wouldn't even consider any sedan, only coupes and convertibles.

For me, the excellent technologhy and overall package of a Mercedes are my deciding factors. This new C Class is probably one of the finest automobiles ever offered by Mercedes. It should do everything well with great handling, comfort and safety. Performance with the C350 engine is outstanding. I can hardly wait to get mine.

JDitlaia 01-16-2007 07:35 PM

you can def. see chyslers thoughts are put in this car since they merged the new interior looks like the new chyslers interiors on M.O, but not for the outside and body though.

Boom vang 01-16-2007 08:23 PM

The front view with the star in the grill reminds me a bit like the styling of the last generation Infiniti M45

pmb600 01-16-2007 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by neilsam (Post 1939856)
Why does the first picture have a different grille and a stand up star compared to all the other pictures of the grille with a star and a flat hood emblem?

2 different grilles?

Yes, the luxury models get a hood star and the sport models get a grille star.

Onizuka 01-17-2007 12:50 AM

Looks a like the Crysler wagon which my brother rented few days ago.

pmb600 01-17-2007 02:15 AM

Ok so now that I have had a little more time to digest this news, I wanted to post more comments. The outside isn't too bad, I think I have adapted to Mercedes new design ever since the W221 came out. I hated that too in pictures, but love it now in person. I don't like the replacement of the grille star though on the sport models, I think Mercedes should stick a little more with tradition: sedan gets hood star, coupe, convertible and roadster gets grille star.

The interior is really the weak spot in this car. The doors look lifted exactly from an ML: the speakers with chrome surrounds, lock swithces, and window controls. The flip up COMAND screen is interesting, but I will have to see it in person. I don't really see the point since you need the screen for all audio and nav functions so it really would be up any time the car is on so why not make a fixed screen? (Just another item to break.) Also I noticed in previous pictures that were released there are no retractable headrests. WTF is Mercedes thinking!?!? Those head rests are an iconic Mercedes thing! Everyone gets a kick out of that when they are in my car and it really is useful too.

anthuny85 01-17-2007 02:20 AM

that steering wheel is fawking ugly..the sports model looks decent..but still prefer the 203 shape and sleekness..especially when slammed!

alex007mayn 01-17-2007 03:41 AM

wth was mbz thinking, i'm kinda dissapointed

Pashap5 01-17-2007 03:56 AM

I personally don't like the BMW style permanent black dash on top..I liked it better when they used to colour match the interiors...like one person mentioned it looks alot like the 5 interior...the the SS/AMG looks nice on the outside..but thats it..

livestrongONe 01-17-2007 08:17 AM

I`ve been reading how people are saying that NEW MB is starting to look like a Chrysler on the inside and worried about engine power too, so here is a suggestion how about a Dodge SRT mmm horse power . I understand owning a benz you got the name and its german but it looks like the MB has taken out the sporty look and just gone plane Jane.:zoom:

slammedcclass 01-17-2007 03:02 PM

looks like my friends Honda Accord but the honda accord is better

Moviela 01-17-2007 04:40 PM

I like a black dash in my aircraft. It does help me to see in the sky, but on the road it seems like "all they have is black." I've done the all black car thing, and don't want to roast myself any longer. I think the pop-up screen shows a lack of planning, and is just another over engineered, poorly executed piece that will malfunction like the current cup holders.

Why not put a single large screen in the Instrument Cluster, and let me display what is of interest to me, speedo, oil pressure, navigation, or internet porn. Is anyone else annoyed with the rotary mouse gadget on a lot of luxury cars? How about Mercedes adds a fast fifty bucks, and give me some individual switches? If I want to open the sunroof, don't make me tune the radio to "Breezy 98" first.

The seats on the new C look to be a bit beefier, better to fit my tutonic backside in greater comfort.

I wonder if there is going to be any new mechanicals for the NAFTA market, or is it just a new fashion exercise?

M230K 01-17-2007 05:17 PM

ew, the center console is so plain looking.. yuck. Mercedes 2008 line-up looks very much like the cadillacs, with the square designs and all. well, atleast they still have the ash grey leather option:y

polarbexar 01-17-2007 05:51 PM

The new CTS interior looks alot like our W203s. I like the W204, especially if we can get a diesel sport package. ( yeah right )

blkc230k 01-17-2007 06:44 PM

that car looks bigger than the current C..... if i can get a free trade w/ the current car i have, i would.

14cue 01-17-2007 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by blkc230k (Post 1942806)
that car looks bigger than the current C..... if i can get a free trade w/ the current car i have, i would.

hahaha, nice thought. i wanna see the look on their face when someone asks them that.

"hi, i would like to trade my 05 c class for your new 08 c class".

:rolf:

14cue 01-17-2007 07:29 PM

when i was looking at a new 06 c55, i asked what i would get if i traded in my 05 C55 + 05 C230, they said i needed another 25k CND.

MB-JIM 01-17-2007 08:27 PM

World Premier for W204
 
OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE


World premiere of the new Mercedes-Benz C-Class live on the internet

Stuttgart, Jan 17, 2007
The year 2007 starts for Mercedes-Benz with a highlight – the world premiere of the new C-Class in the Mercedes World in Stuttgart-Untertürkheim. The press conference, which will be attended by some 600 journalists from around the world on 18th January 2007 can be seen live on the internet from 7:00 to 7:40pm (CET) by using the link below. Following the event various text and photo materials relating to the new C-Class will also be available on here on the DaimlerChrysler Media Site, along with pictures of the world premiere.

Copyright © 2007, DaimlerChrysler AG

sick_benz 01-17-2007 11:42 PM

Im starting to like the new looks of the W204 its slowly growing on to me. I might get rid of the C32 and the C230 and get a W204 Sport Model with AMG Body Kit, and a SLK350 soon. I just dont like the Grille on the W204 and mirrors. I cant wait till it comes out. Does anyone know the retail on the W204 yet ?

sick_benz 01-17-2007 11:46 PM

W204 will be hitting Mercedes Benz Dealers by March or April. Whats the RETAIL ?
 
I just got word that W204's will be hittting the dealers by March or April 07. I am kinda feeling the car now, especially the sport model with the AMG body kit. Does anyone know the retail prices of these cars yet ? I am hearing they will start at 27K for the sports but am not sure. Mercedes Benz is suppose to be lowering their prices down to compete with competitors. I hope this is the case. I cant wait till the release of this car, time to sell my C230 now.

ctC230K 01-17-2007 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by MB-JIM (Post 1942978)
OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE


World premiere of the new Mercedes-Benz C-Class live on the internet

Stuttgart, Jan 17, 2007
The year 2007 starts for Mercedes-Benz with a highlight – the world premiere of the new C-Class in the Mercedes World in Stuttgart-Untertürkheim. The press conference, which will be attended by some 600 journalists from around the world on 18th January 2007 can be seen live on the internet from 7:00 to 7:40pm (CET) by using the link below. Following the event various text and photo materials relating to the new C-Class will also be available on here on the DaimlerChrysler Media Site, along with pictures of the world premiere.

Copyright © 2007, DaimlerChrysler AG

thats great and all except that YOU FORGOT THE LINK!!!!!!

and what time is CET??

14cue 01-17-2007 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by sick_benz (Post 1943346)
I just got word that W204's will be hittting the dealers by March or April 07. I am kinda feeling the car now, especially the sport model with the AMG body kit. Does anyone know the retail prices of these cars yet ? I am hearing they will start at 27K for the sports but am not sure. Mercedes Benz is suppose to be lowering their prices down to compete with competitors. I hope this is the case. I cant wait till the release of this car, time to sell my C230 now.


why start a new useless thread about the w204 when there is an official thread for it already?!

/goof


https://mbworld.org/forums/c-class-w204/89420-official-w204-thread-updated-01-17-07-last-page-official-press-release.html

edit: thanks to admin for merging the thread. these w204 topics area getting out of hand when members create a new one just to ask a dumb question instead of adding to this "Official thread".

pmb600 01-18-2007 12:16 AM


Originally Posted by ctC230K (Post 1943350)
and what time is CET??

Good question, I was wondering that myself...

That press release was published on media.daimlerchrysler.com. It is DCs press material section, but anyone can sign up. If you don't already have a username, I highly suggest you go there and get one. It's filled with thousands upon thousands of high res photos and press releases about Mercedes and Maybach from about 1999 to present. There was no link below however as the press release stated. Maybe they will update that tomorrow. I will post if I find out anything further.

pmb600 01-18-2007 01:14 AM

Ok I checked, CET is Central European Time and they are 6 hours ahead of eastern standard time. So the unveiling is at 1PM eastern time.

It seems like Mercedes is really going all out with the launch of this car. I mean first they released pictures last week of the car undergoing testing but still heavily disguised, now the "leaked" brochure, and a big event on the internet. I just hope the effort they put into the development of the car is as extravagant.

Ej230 01-18-2007 03:05 AM

hmmm
 
i mean it looks good but does anyone else think the design is a little bit uninspired? It seems that the round headlights distinguished mercedes, and to me the new C looks unoriginal especially the headlights.

i thought that the W203 was a total revolution in terms of branching out off from the W202 styling, but the new W204 seems to be more of an evolution. :nix:

MB-JIM 01-18-2007 09:37 AM

The link to the W204 presentation ENJOY !
 
http://www.streamevents.de/070118_pk...am_en_dsl.html

cracker123 01-18-2007 10:08 AM

https://img259.imageshack.us/img259/...c200715rf7.jpg

https://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g...C/IMG_0001.jpg

http://www.jesdc.de/news/news/pics/204er8.jpg

Interior has a lot of real chrome and wood. Chrome around the window switches, around speaker grills. There is chrome at the top and bottom of teh navigation screen. I mean there is chrome all over the car. Wood is also sprinkled well. Even the dome lights look very high quality. The dials look very nice sorta remind me the Aston Martin dials. The light switch looks to be very similar from the S Class. Even the gear box looks very nice, they could definitly improve on the stick.
The indicator stalk and the cruise control stalk have the nice touch of the chrome and reflecting plastic similar to the new M,E,S .


Ok the location of the Nav screen. I think it is perfect. If they did what they did in the S-Class it would have been really fugly why ? C is a much smaller car. So the design flow of the second NAV screen and the hood would look really bad think about it.Also the location of the NAV screen is at the perfect eye level of the driver. Also better dust protection if the screen goes away when you park.

BTW here is the unoffical feature list.

Color Display standard (COMMAND from the SClass)
Bluetooth
Distronic
Keyless Go
Sport mode button dont know what this does ?
Aston Martin type speedometer dials very nice touch.
Hard drive based navigation system.

3 zone climate control
Panorama roof
The choice of adding wood or brushed aluminum to the cockpit
Multicontour seats
E-class suspension with adaptive controlled system
7GTronic automatic transmission
PRESAFE and Xenon with ILS
Bigger interior and bigger trunk


I took all this info from some of my posts and other posts on GermanCarZone.com . The first photo was posted by cawimmer430 mod for german car zone. and the second photo posted by Alwing. Dial image posted by ree. Again there are a lot of photos on www.germancarzone.com
http://www.germancarzone.com/forumdisplay.php?f=37

wizkid 01-18-2007 10:52 AM

How bad are the problems going to be with this car during the first three years? Do you think they will be as bad as the W203 was? My car was crap during the first 75,000 miles. Once everything was changed and updated, read 20+ visits to dealer under warranty alone, it has been a great car. But that fact really rubbed my wife the wrong way. Know what I mean?

cracker123 01-18-2007 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by wizkid (Post 1943949)
How bad are the problems going to be with this car during the first three years? Do you think they will be as bad as the W203 was? My car was crap during the first 75,000 miles. Once everything was changed and updated, read 20+ visits to dealer under warranty alone, it has been a great car. But that fact really rubbed my wife the wrong way. Know what I mean?

From what I read, MB is spending extra attention to quality on the new C-Class. The new C-Class is the first car where they tested the virutal model with all parts on the computer. That IMO a big update, becuase they can look at lot of things prior to prototype. If anything it must have taken out some bugs ?

pmb600 01-18-2007 11:25 AM

Yeah, agreed quality should be much better on this C-Class. The recent press release said that they did more extensive testing on the W204 than any Mercedes ever. You can feel the re-focus on quality, just compare the W220 to the W221. I still love the style of the 220, but as far as quality and materials go, the 221 is miles ahead.

Many people believe that the 203 and 220 were some of the worst and least reliable Mercedes ever. They are definately trying to make sure that never happens again.

Chi-Benz 01-18-2007 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by MB-JIM (Post 1943776)
<http://www.streamevents.de/070118_pk_dc/en/stream_en_dsl.html>

Link doesn't work....:nix: or do we have to wait until the release??


link works, remove the > after html...
:y

pmb600 01-18-2007 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Chi-Benz (Post 1944054)
Link doesn't work....:nix: or do we have to wait until the release??


link works, remove the > after html...
:y

I received an email that it will also be on www.mercedes-benz.com/brandworld

and that you can view it later, it will be recorded.

Rareamg 01-18-2007 12:22 PM

I don't like the steering wheel.

14cue 01-18-2007 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by MB-JIM (Post 1943776)


what is CET time?
:nix:

pmb600 01-18-2007 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by 14cue (Post 1944156)
what is CET time?
:nix:

I said above its Central European time. Its on right now!

14cue 01-18-2007 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by pmb600 (Post 1944237)
I said above its Central European time. Its on right now!

dang, i missed it...i'll catch the recording i guess.

ultraseven 01-18-2007 01:50 PM

I was resisting the urge to reply to this topic until the official press release. Basically this is how I am seeing the W204:

1) Styling is so-so. MB clearly took cues from the CLS, S, and traces from BMW. The C pillar keeps reminding me of last generation's Civic as it is almost an exact copy.

2) Interior looks better in terms of quality, but the huge black sea of plastic coming all the way down the middle of the center console looks like it belongs in a sub 30K car, especially in the interior is black on black. The 2008 CTS's interior looks better IMHO.

3) All sedans should have the 3 pt star on the hood instead of the grill, but that appears to be a response to many aftermarket conversions, especially on the sportier models.

There was also an emphasis on using virtual modeling in producing this car. This is actually something MB should have done several years ago, and this isn't a breakthrough. Other manufacturers have been doing that for sometime (i.e. Toyota, BMW). Wait for a couple of years, and we can all judge whether MB has improved its reliability. It is overall a better effort than the 203, but I will believe it when I drive it.

KILLERHERTZ 01-18-2007 01:52 PM

Sport:

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/c5eb6f619e.jpg

Elegance:

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/0171263e34.jpg

And Classic:

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/3176a76d8e.jpg

DC_insider 01-18-2007 01:53 PM

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/c5eb6f619e.jpg

Beaten to it by BBW

KILLERHERTZ 01-18-2007 01:54 PM

Hahha, beat you too it with your own images :) Sorry!

Rick 01-18-2007 01:54 PM

2008 C-Class in Autoweek
 
Mods - merge if you deem it necessary :rolleyes:

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../70116006/1065

nlpamg 01-18-2007 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by DC_insider (Post 1944333)

well, from this angle, it looks pretty hot! *edit* well, on second thought, not really, I really hate the big star grille and the way it looks like a GL... perhaps I have to see it in person.

I missed the unveiling, anything about the AMG w204?

DC_insider 01-18-2007 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by BBW (Post 1944337)
Hahha, beat you too it with your own images :) Sorry!

That's OK - I pinched the photos from someone else!

KILLERHERTZ 01-18-2007 02:05 PM

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/d9931e53f6.jpg

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/bb31a23a5a.jpg

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/19f7d1faf7.jpg

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/272f33800b.jpg

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/ade9cc1192.jpg

pmb600 01-18-2007 02:09 PM

I hate the black plastic on the bottom of the mirrors. They should be all paint color like the current model.

pmb600 01-18-2007 02:11 PM

BBW where are you getting the pictures?

Btw, doesn't that steering wheel look like a vagina, or like a cutaway of femail anatomy....maybe i just have a sick mind.

KILLERHERTZ 01-18-2007 02:16 PM

Note: LED blinkers in the rear clusters

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/8c088c5f5c.jpg

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/9bbff7fb2b.jpg

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/3799975648.jpg

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/351565f23f.jpg

KILLERHERTZ 01-18-2007 02:22 PM

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/7aa369af8d.jpg

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/ca90e3d212.jpg

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/672b8111a5.jpg

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/9a2417bdae.jpg

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/3e1c2d4967.jpg

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/d4d17903f0.jpg

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/1884498a9d.jpg

pmb600 01-18-2007 02:22 PM

1) That copper color is quite repulsive.

2) As I have said before, the lack of retractable head restraints makes me very, very sad.

3) I like the dual exhaust.

4) The overall shape of the car isn't bad, its just little things that irritate me.

Does anyone know why the mirror turn signals are so large? And on the front headlights what is that strip above the projector lenses?

nRo 01-18-2007 02:29 PM

-1. it's too ugly.

KILLERHERTZ 01-18-2007 02:43 PM

Oh dear, Build quality still not perfect, rushed for early photoshoot? :) :)

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/51dbb1f6d0.jpg

(Picture robbed from another forum)

Jason.Bare 01-18-2007 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by BBW (Post 1944493)
Oh dear, Build quality still not perfect, rushed for early photoshoot? :) :)

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/51dbb1f6d0.jpg

(Picture robbed from another forum)

Oh dear, you better look again. That is the shadows giving the illusion that the pieces are miss-matched.:smash:

14cue 01-18-2007 02:52 PM

the only thing that stands out above the W203 as of right now looking at the pictures are the following:

- the rear dual exhuast on the 350 / hot!
- the interior dome lights
- the controls on the doors


everything eles i will have to get used to. the car has a weird shape. it's a bit chunky so it looks like its sitting really high up no matter what angel you look at it from. the head lights are a bit too much and dont even get me started with the horrific side view mirrors ./puke! and i wont even start with the center dash....holy plastic batman!


i dont think there will be a C63 this year. that is the only thing that excits me about this new car.

AshleyAlissa 01-18-2007 03:19 PM

1/18/07 NEW PRESS RELEASE: The 2008 Mercedes-Benz C-Class: Model Range
 
http://emercedesbenz.com/Jan07/18_Th...del_Range.html

Lots more pictures on emercedesbenz, and they all enlarge

http://emercedesbenz.com/Images/Jan0...6c5189_01S.jpg

http://emercedesbenz.com/Images/Jan0...6c3951_03S.jpg

kostas 01-18-2007 03:19 PM


The modern V6-engines in the C-Class range remain unchanged, with a choice of three petrol units developing 150 kW/204 hp, 170 kW/231 hp and 200 kW/272 hp. The six-cylinder of the new C 320 CDI has an output of 165 kW/224 hp. With the exception of the C 350, all models in the new C-Class are equipped with a six-speed transmission featuring AGILITY CONTROL gearshift as standard. The top-of-the-range C 350 has 7G-TRONIC, the world’s only seven-speed automatic transmission, as standard equipment. This is also available for the other six-cylinder C-Class models on request.
Anyone else thinks this is a bad move by Mercedes? Especially with the 335 BMW producing 300hp, and the Lexus IS350 producing 304hp, the C350 is quite underpowered compared to its competition.

Official Mercedes-Benz Released Pictures:

ELEGANCE MODEL:
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/757/e1nc6.th.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6190/e2ho1.th.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/7033/e3qu7.th.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9889/e4vz8.th.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3668/e5zk9.th.jpg
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/550/e6gs6.th.jpg
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/5206/e7zd2.th.jpg

AVANTGARDE MODEL:
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/5840/a1oe4.th.jpg
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5011/a2gp5.th.jpg
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/9350/a3gr2.th.jpg
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2027/a4zk6.th.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2586/a5eo1.th.jpg
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/716/a6xu5.th.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8327/a7vi3.th.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3669/a8iy9.th.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/866/a9pj9.th.jpg
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/5125/a10yn4.th.jpg

Both Together:
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/688/b1ht2.th.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/264/b2ur5.th.jpg

drexappeal 01-18-2007 03:30 PM

Better than I thought, but I still am not sold with stock styling (elegance or avantguard). I bet there will be some nice kits that'll completely change the stance of the car, which at that point may sway me to get one. Right now, I'd only get a C63 if I were gonna get a w204.

phattbam 01-18-2007 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by drexappeal (Post 1944660)
Right now, I'd only get a C63 if I were gonna get a w204.

couldnt agree with you more on that.

Saprissa 01-18-2007 03:54 PM

i'm definitely passing on the W204.
I hate it. Design sucks... looks like a Toyota Avalon with S Class wanna-be headlights. Horspower sucks !!! oh my God horsepower sucks !
How can they compete with bmw or lexus at that level !?!?!! :smash:

interior is crappy. Steering wheels is damn right ugly. I'd have to stare at that anytime I'm driving... plastic, wood, chrome interior is horrendous.

albeit these are EURO model pics, by looking at the rear license plate bezel.
I'm sure the USA versions can't be any better. In fact, knowing what MBUSA does to European models, I can bet that it will look even worse !

W204... sorry ! I'll spend my $$$ elsewhere.

Can Drive 55 01-18-2007 03:55 PM

I don't like the pop up nav screen at all. I didn't like it in the G35 either, and this one looks worse at first glance.

emxgarcia 01-18-2007 04:12 PM

I like the rear design and that''s it!
I hate the ordinary Opel / Chevy Astra -like front end headlight
I am not enthused by the interioir design too BMW 3-ish with the same kind of disconnection from the center console to the panel, unlike the W203 where the console flows into the panel... I mean look at the lower controls! they are facing completly flat forward and not even angled upwad....

Boy amd I glad I got my W203 with the benzy eyes front end...and the same V6 engine of today!

155 01-18-2007 04:15 PM

my thoughts
 
The w204's are growing on me, they definitely look better then the early spy photos released on the internet. Couple of things:

1) I like the classic grill better then the sport (avantgaurde)
2) A real shame they didn't improve the powerplants, that to me would stop me from buying a new c-class
3) Looks like the car is lighter then the previous gen? around 3k lbs? That's almost unheard of in this day of age.
4) I watched a vid of the w204 being run through its paces (slalom), the chassis behavior seemed to have improved massively.
5) Although a solid improvement on the previous gen, my money is with BMW (a bone stock 330i is too cool for school)

E55 KEV 01-18-2007 04:29 PM

I love it. Glad to not see the Bangle Butt designed trunk from W221 S-Class, however it appears to be Bangle Hood!

http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS...89_22__mid.jpg

CynCarvin32 01-18-2007 04:29 PM

[QUOTE=kostas;1944609]Anyone else thinks this is a bad move by Mercedes? Especially with the 335 BMW producing 300hp, and the Lexus IS350 producing 304hp, the C350 is quite underpowered compared to its competition.]

So yes it is underpowered but mb has a new version in the works that uses direct injection and it bumps power to near 300 hp like the others. Likely a year or so into the W204 the engines will be updated. Not an all new motor just updated injection and combustion.

Rareamg 01-18-2007 04:45 PM

Looks like a Chrylser up front.

14cue 01-18-2007 04:52 PM

i dont like the front grille w/o the star with the little star emblem on the top of it with the up right star to boot. 1 too many stars dont you think?

ultraseven 01-18-2007 05:34 PM

The 335i is actually a step above the current C350. The 350 actually competes directly with the 330i. Of course with the new engines from BMW, Lexus, and Infiniti, MB is now at the bottom of the pack. Mind you this isn't the first time this has happened.

If the weight savings are in fact true however, there will be a substantial difference in acceleration times. Imagine shaving 200 lbs from your current C350, and it will probably hit 60 in the low 5's or even at 5.0 sec. assuming the same drivetrain loss. Now that is IMPRESSIVE.

BKLYN_C 01-18-2007 05:46 PM

I had a little hope this one would be a something to desire, but unfortunatelly they didn't even attempt to create something good. Same underpowered engines, unattractive interior and exterior looks like they took a bit of every car on the market. Benz was always the sexiest car on the road, but this w204 looks more like ******* in the family.

Boom vang 01-18-2007 05:59 PM

Frankenstein car with styling cues from other cars put together just like Kia did with the Amanti.

W204:
Rear = 1st gen A4 when looking straight on
Side swoosh = current 3 series
interior = current Passat = current Jetta
Nav screen = 1st gen G35
Clamshell hood = Saab 99 = Saab 900 = Saab 9-3
front = Altima or Accord
Steering wheel = a dispute of whether to make it 2 spoke, 3 spoke or 4 spoke so it went to a commitee and this is what they came up with

The elegance is lost and looks like rather plain and cheap.

Maybe the car is better and handles better but it does not look better.

AshleyAlissa 01-18-2007 06:56 PM

eMercedesBenz releases over 100 photos and 6 Press Releases
 
Mercedes released several press releases today for the all new 2008 C-Class.
eMercedesBenz.com has released all of the press releases along with over 100 photos. You can either go to www.eMercedesBenz.com and click each story or you can click the seperate links below that go to each post. Enjoy!!!

http://emercedesbenz.com/Jan07/18_Th...lass_Body.html

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Jan07/1...ss_Design.html

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Jan07/1...del_Range.html

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Jan07/1...z_C_Class.html

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Jan07/1...ss_Emerge.html

AshleyAlissa 01-18-2007 06:59 PM

Just to let everyone know, these links do not disappear as I have emailed them and asked before I posted them.

They will be the good for the entire life of the site.




Originally Posted by AshleyAlissa (Post 1945202)
Mercedes released several press releases today for the all new 2008 C-Class.
eMercedesBenz.com has released all of the press releases along with over 100 photos. You can either go to www.eMercedesBenz.com and click each story or you can click the seperate links below that go to each post. Enjoy!!!

http://emercedesbenz.com/Jan07/18_Th...lass_Body.html

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Jan07/1...ss_Design.html

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Jan07/1...del_Range.html

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Jan07/1...z_C_Class.html

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Jan07/1...ss_Emerge.html


ctC230K 01-18-2007 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by MB-JIM (Post 1943776)

NICE WORK!!!

thanks, i just watched the whole thing minus the artsy crap...
i want to like it but really i hate it, the interior is awful and the grill on the sport sedan looks like it was lifted off the ML, the rear tails are just plain weird.
WTF!!!!!!! W203 for life i guess.

SteveAustin 01-18-2007 07:02 PM

A gorgeous car...
 
This is an amazing car, I wouldn't rush out and buy a first year model, but I am impressed with the overall looks and am looking forward to driving one. You guys will be on this forum in two years singing its praises no doubt. I can't wait to test drive one.

ctC230K 01-18-2007 07:07 PM


PRE-SAFE is networked with state-of-the-art safety systems such as ESP and Brake Assist and, thanks to its sensors, can recognise a potentially dangerous driving manoeuvre in its early stages. If the vehicle is likely to be involved in an accident as a result of heavy understeer or oversteer or the driver has to brake hard in an emergency, PRE-SAFE activates a series of preventive measures to prepare both the occupants and the vehicle for a possible collision.
This is horrible, I perform dangerous driving manuvers all the time just for fun! now there will be an electronic nanny watching and activating special safety systems when i decide to do a little power slide? WTF NO.

binz 01-18-2007 07:54 PM

New C-Class makes debut!
 
4 Attachment(s)
see the rest at worldcarfans.com

M230K 01-18-2007 07:56 PM

im guessing the first picture shows the new c63 and the other 2 pictures show the c300 or c350:confused: ..hope they have the panorama roof as an option in the sedan this time..

TruTaing 01-18-2007 07:59 PM

Ehh, still dont like how it looks much bigger / heavier, but the interior has grown on me alot :)

-j0hn

binz 01-18-2007 08:02 PM

the first pic is what the sport/avantgarde package ones will look like. the other two are elegance/classic packages. c63 will be more aggressive.

14cue 01-18-2007 08:03 PM

yet another useless thread created when an offical one exist for the W204.:smash:

MJ50 01-18-2007 08:04 PM

overall, looks kinda like Acura TL...

14cue 01-18-2007 08:05 PM

the C63 wont be out till next year.
finally got a chance to watch the long premiere video at (as mentioned above)

http://www.streamevents.de/070118_pk...m_en_isdn.html

MB-BOB 01-18-2007 08:23 PM

I'll be keeping my old C320. I don't like the headlights and the center stack looks cheap. I also don't like the pop-up screen.

It looks like the rear quarters are not as tucked in at the rear as the previous model, (a good thing from certain angles) but that is the only improvement I see.

Oh, and I'm combining this thread with the much larger and more complete one.

Ccoupe2006 01-18-2007 09:35 PM

Here are some fun pictures, sorry if its a repost:

http://www.welt.de/z/picshow2/index....c/?popup=popup

:)

360_iti 01-18-2007 11:07 PM


Originally Posted by pmb600
I hate the black plastic on the bottom of the mirrors. They should be all paint color like the current model.

Oh you just uncovered one of the facelift updates due in 2011, along with adaptive headlight system, redesigned interior center console, redesigned steering wheel, and full LED tail lights.

Justford0099 01-18-2007 11:12 PM

wow its really really nice, especially the sport. im not sure i like the grill on it though. ive never been a fan of the huge emblem in the grill like that.

benzo-boi 01-18-2007 11:24 PM

It's pretty nice. I don't like the rear. The front looks good with the AMG package.

cracker123 01-19-2007 12:14 AM

When the S-Class first came out every one complained the interior was a total crap blah blah blah , now I dont hear a word about the interior or the outer design. I have been seening pictures of this car for the last 3 days and have to say it is growing on me.

BTW it has some form of Ambiant lighting, look under the door handle. That is good enough for a car of this size. I love the new interior.

I will post some details

FULL FRONT:

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/...6c3952_022.jpg

OVERVIEW:

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/...6c3952_026.jpg

SIDE OVERVIEW:

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/...6c3952_031.jpg

CENTER STACK:

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/...6c3952_050.jpg

NAV SCREEN:

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/...6c3952_069.jpg

NAV SCREEN FOLDING:

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/...6c3952_081.jpg

DIALS:

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/...6c3952_052.jpg

STEERING WHEEL:

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/...6c3952_029.jpg

AMBIANT LIGHTS:

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/...6c3952_010.jpg

DOOR PANEL:

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/...6c3952_076.jpg

SWITCHES:

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/...6c3952_012.jpg

REAR AC:

http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/fb2cf3dc50.jpg


NIGHT:

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/...6c3952_005.jpg

OLD:

http://www.germancarfans.com/photos/...01/1032big.jpg

http://www.germancarfans.com/photos/...01/1027big.jpg

Pictures taken from emercedesbenz, germancarfans and one italian site.

Boom vang 01-19-2007 12:47 AM

the tail looking straight on looks so much as the original A4 1995-2002

Stuttgart-UT 01-19-2007 03:01 AM

I think the car looks amazing! :bow:

Have you ever seen one on the road? I have, and belive me the car looks really amazing...
at first i thougt it was the new Clk...:y
But i have to say, that the side mirrors are a little bit to big for the car...

And yes, every new car looks a little bit like another one...:rolleyes:

kc77 01-19-2007 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by Stuttgart-UT (Post 1946576)
I think the car looks amazing! :bow:

Have you ever seen one on the road? I have, and belive me the car looks really amazing...
at first i thougt it was the new Clk...:y
But i have to say, that the side mirrors are a little bit to big for the car...

And yes, every new car looks a little bit like another one...:rolleyes:


Hi All,

Yes, couldn't agree with you more, Stuttgart -UT. I love the look of the new C except maybe for the side mirrors. The black bit in between actually makes it look smaller as long as the car is not black, otherwise it'll look like Dumbo :eek:

But overall, I'm impressed and judging by the press photos, interior quality should be right up there.

vadim 01-19-2007 08:10 AM

Horrible design, inside and out. Kind of reminds me of the previous generation Infinity in concept - "for older people". Frumpy and unoriginal. Very disappointing - there have been better looking variants floating around on the i-net. I am definitely out.

360_iti 01-19-2007 10:19 AM

Thanks for the hi res pics. Still dislike the center console, too much blank space covered by that cheap looking plastic. I'm trying to envision which areas we could overlay with carbon fiber. That would help.

Richard / E320 01-19-2007 10:39 AM

2008 C-Class
 
Information and a few pictures of the 2008 C-Class...

http://cars.about.com/od/mercedesben...lery/index.htm

Tolga 01-19-2007 10:45 AM

It's really good :y

TT C6 01-19-2007 11:45 AM

2008+ C-class 4matic? Will AWD be an option?
 
Just wanted to know if anyone has info on the 4matic AWD system becoming available on the 2008+ C-class.

I would really love a AWD C-class for the Northeast winters.

I REALLY want a C63 4matic with an automatic transmission.

Autoweek has confiremd that a C63 is coming with 450hp+.
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../70116006/1024

14cue 01-19-2007 11:53 AM

im not even going to say it...

i cant resist! YET ANOTHER W204 THREAD! YIKES! THIS IS GETTING OUT OF HAND...

:thread:

e1000 01-19-2007 11:58 AM

they'll probably have a 4-Matic, but not in the sport versions and most likely not in the C63.

They'll probably carry over the C280 Luxury in a 4-Matic

155 01-19-2007 12:09 PM

here's the mother loaD
 
http://www.autospies.com/news/Spies-...overage-11791/

Stuttgart-UT 01-19-2007 12:27 PM


Kind of reminds me of the previous generation Infinity in concept
Subaru, Audi, Lexus... and now Infinity... :rolf:

GDawgC220 01-19-2007 12:34 PM

read this morning that there will be 4-Matic available. Its going to be a 45/55 split. US will likely see C230, C280 and C350.

mick1 01-19-2007 12:44 PM

too bad the C350 is not available with a manual trans. I guess I will have to go for the C230 when I trade my car in for the new model.

TT C6 01-19-2007 01:04 PM

Even the C350 is down on power compared to the AWD 07 G35 and the AWD 08 CTS which are both COMPLETELY redesigned.

If MB offers a C63 with AWD and an automatic trans,
I'll buy one.

If not,
I'll be buying the 300+hp 08 CTS that is completely redesigned and offers a direct injection motor.

It's a shame, because I REALLY want a C63 with AWD and automatic.

brydon 01-19-2007 01:08 PM

There's already been lots of discussion on MB being behind Infinity/Lexus/Cadillac etc in terms of audio/video/exterior styling etc etc. I think them not having a super fast AWD vehicle right out of the gates with the new model year is very typical. Their focus groups probably showed them that there is not much demand for an AWD option for the most sporty of the C-Classes. It may show up in a couple years but my bet would be that it's not going to be available the first model year of a new design.

BlackLiquorish8 01-19-2007 01:10 PM

i doubt they'll make a 4matic for an AMG C class. AMG's have always been rear wheel drive with raw power.

Boom vang 01-19-2007 01:18 PM

Maybe it is good to start a new thread the last one is getting too big and with all the photos it is slow to load.

In addition to the 1st gen Audi A4 tail, the grill with the star in it looks like the one that is on the Sprinter Van. While the SL CLK and CL star looks good, this one looks like it belongs on a truck

14cue 01-19-2007 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by Boom vang (Post 1947492)
last one is getting too big and with all the photos it is slow to load.

thast why they created pages.

MrMercedes 01-19-2007 02:41 PM

No Thanks! Goodbye Mercedes C Class Hello
 
2008 Cls55!

ultraseven 01-19-2007 03:17 PM

It's not hard to beat the current W203's interior. With that said, the uninspired center console really makes the new interior look cheap.

360_iti 01-19-2007 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 155 (Post 1947358)

I'm just curious, one avantgarde c350 has a chrome trim piece on the rear bumper. The other doesn't. What's the difference between the two models ?



M230K 01-19-2007 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by MrMercedes (Post 1947635)
2008 Cls55!

any pictures of that?:confused:

M230K 01-19-2007 03:37 PM

the center console is horrible man, doesnt anyone notice that?? it looks so old, reminds me of a honda or a toyota :nix: arg.

Saprissa 01-19-2007 03:38 PM

how annoying...

another stupid W204 thread to merge !! :smash:

ORK1 01-19-2007 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by 360_iti (Post 1947719)
I'm just curious, one avantgarde c350 has a chrome trim piece on the rear bumper. The other doesn't. What's the difference between the two models ?



I believe avantgarde on first photo is base avantgarde version, avantgard on second photo has AMG styling on it, AMG bumper doesn't come with chrome trim, that''s about it..
http://up.autotitre.com/forum/up/3e1c2d4967.jpg

Saprissa 01-19-2007 04:23 PM

and remember you are looking at the EUROPEAN versions too, not the USA versions.

MCONDE01 01-19-2007 08:46 PM

Not blown away
 
Well...all I can say is that I am not blown away. The car doesn't flow like the W203, it looks a bit choppy. The trunk looks pushed in a bit and the tail-lights look sort of like a kia rio. Plus the headlights don't look very stylish to me...I really hope the car looks better in person. Right now I love the way my current car looks...

I am also wondering how much would the new W204 cost with all of the same options I got in my W203, especially considering that MB has been taking away some standard stuff just about every year since 2005. I can tell you right now that I must have an AMG bodykit on any future benz I buy...and that includes the W204. I know the car will be priced 3% to 5% higher than the W203, but I wonder how much the AMG body kit will cost.

Hopefully in a few years I can afford a CLS...but just in case I can't, I hope the W204 grows on me so that I can have a back up plan to stay in the MB family. Still can't wait to see one in person... :)

scottw 01-19-2007 08:56 PM

I think the car will be fine once we see it in the flesh. Pictures are never as good as the real deal.

My only concern is that the steering wheel seems kind of busy. I like the 2004 version, which is very straight forward. A minor quible, to be sure.

OKAY.....Saints v. Patriots in the Superbowl....ANYONE disagree?

Stuttgart-UT 01-20-2007 03:00 AM


Pictures are never as good as the real deal.
:y

IS300 01-20-2007 04:19 AM

AMG pkg :y

ismeto 01-20-2007 05:05 AM

Stop Lights ?
 
Where is the Stop Lights (rear-back) ? I can not see it. if they replaced it to rear-back glass , I think is not good policies :confused:


http://www.worldcarfans.com/photos.c...rcedes-c-class


http://www.worldcarfans.com/photos.c...rcedes-c-class

ismeto 01-20-2007 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by M230K (Post 1947758)
the center console is horrible man, doesnt anyone notice that?? it looks so old, reminds me of a honda or a toyota :nix: arg.

I agree with you before , first pictures seing , after good examine I notice that they did not change too much ; colour is the same ,only big re-opening display is replaced under consol ! clima button are same :)

ismeto 01-20-2007 05:14 AM

Pictures ?
 
can not seee until now ;

-Keyless go pictures in new C

-not like so much -yes good design - classical Steering Wheel but need ergonomic and AMG Steering Wheel need more !

-Ortopedic and Ergonomic Seat also not seeing

-passenger consol and side are not so good design it must work much there maybe CLK same side could get it to new C

ismeto 01-20-2007 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by Justford0099 (Post 1945850)
. im not sure i like the grill on it though. ive never been a fan of the huge emblem in the grill like that.


u are right man !

aggree with you ' You will see The Star on the Road while driving' !

ismeto 01-20-2007 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by TruTaing (Post 1945423)
Ehh, still dont like how it looks much bigger / heavier,

-j0hn


how it looks much bigger / heavier = means more secur-stabil car as well as

more hevaier more secur ! more bigger more fresh !

DamonAnthony 01-20-2007 06:56 AM

From what I have seen I quite like the W204, I only wonder if the cigarette lighter will get stuck in them?

clanosiris 01-20-2007 11:05 AM

you can find tons of high quality pics here - http://www.zonelance.com/index.php/v...ery2&Itemid=26

MCONDE01 01-20-2007 11:17 AM

No Way!

Bears vs. Colts!

cracker123 01-20-2007 12:06 PM

The sport steering with paddle shifters behind, see them. I like what I am seeing.

You can get birds eye maple too with this trim.

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/Images/...06c3954_05.jpg

TT C6 01-20-2007 01:33 PM

Will the 2008+ C-Class get a 4matic option? With what engines?
 
Will the 2008+ C-Class get a 4matic option?

With what engines?

Thanks.

Sauceboy01 01-20-2007 03:03 PM

The most important question my book at this point is.. Will Mercedes rework the C350 to produce more HP to compete with it's 335i BMW competition?

hmmmm...


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