Any Guess on when C450 orders open up? Price?
02-11-2015, 08:01 PM
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Originally, as a tuner, AMG would not let you get an AMG badge unless you had three separate items from the catalog on your car.
Not only were they a tuner, they were a boutique builder. Everything was custom, by the customers wishes, and a-la-carte.
My 87' 560 SEC AMG came from AMG Fort Lauderdale, NOT Affalterbach. It does not have an AMG tuned engine. Not a 4-cam. Not a 6.0 stroker. No engine tuning at all...
And you know what, you AMG Snob trifling Bi-Atch **** owners: My car is More of an AMG than yours will ever be.
Because mine was built when AMG was still AMG GmbH. Not a watered down, teeth pulled, nails clipped AMG Owned by Mercedes, because Mercedes saw a way of increasing profits, and not losing sales to the grey market.
My car came equipped with the following:
AMG Headers / down-pipes
AMG full exhaust
AMG full body-kit
AMG rear decklid rear wing
AMG shocks
AMG springs
AMG differential, with LSD and R/P
AMG wheels
AMG steering wheel
Oh yeah, and an AMG Fort Lauderdale applied AMG trunk badge.
As it had more than 3 items out of the catalog, by AMG Affalterbachs Own rules.
AMG Fort Lauderdale was as much of an AMG shop, as BHMA or AMG Westmont.
Not only were they a tuner, they were a boutique builder. Everything was custom, by the customers wishes, and a-la-carte.
My 87' 560 SEC AMG came from AMG Fort Lauderdale, NOT Affalterbach. It does not have an AMG tuned engine. Not a 4-cam. Not a 6.0 stroker. No engine tuning at all...
And you know what, you AMG Snob trifling Bi-Atch **** owners: My car is More of an AMG than yours will ever be.
Because mine was built when AMG was still AMG GmbH. Not a watered down, teeth pulled, nails clipped AMG Owned by Mercedes, because Mercedes saw a way of increasing profits, and not losing sales to the grey market.
My car came equipped with the following:
AMG Headers / down-pipes
AMG full exhaust
AMG full body-kit
AMG rear decklid rear wing
AMG shocks
AMG springs
AMG differential, with LSD and R/P
AMG wheels
AMG steering wheel
Oh yeah, and an AMG Fort Lauderdale applied AMG trunk badge.
As it had more than 3 items out of the catalog, by AMG Affalterbachs Own rules.
AMG Fort Lauderdale was as much of an AMG shop, as BHMA or AMG Westmont.
guess the marketing guys were right after all!
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02-11-2015, 08:43 PM
#227
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How did so many ****-holes come to own Mercedes lately? I mean, really; you AMG snobs claim to know the history, and then belittle other MB owners that want to have something that stands apart from the standard MB offerings.
Idiots! ****-Holes! Pay attention.
Originally, as a tuner, AMG would not let you get an AMG badge unless you had three separate items from the catalog on your car.
Not only were they a tuner, they were a boutique builder. Everything was custom, by the customers wishes, and a-la-carte.
My 87' 560 SEC AMG came from AMG Fort Lauderdale, NOT Affalterbach. It does not have an AMG tuned engine. Not a 4-cam. Not a 6.0 stroker. No engine tuning at all...
And you know what, you AMG Snob trifling Bi-Atch **** owners: My car is More of an AMG than yours will ever be.
Because mine was built when AMG was still AMG GmbH. Not a watered down, teeth pulled, nails clipped AMG Owned by Mercedes, because Mercedes saw a way of increasing profits, and not losing sales to the grey market.
My car came equipped with the following:
AMG Headers / down-pipes
AMG full exhaust
AMG full body-kit
AMG rear decklid rear wing
AMG shocks
AMG springs
AMG differential, with LSD and R/P
AMG wheels
AMG steering wheel
Oh yeah, and an AMG Fort Lauderdale applied AMG trunk badge.
As it had more than 3 items out of the catalog, by AMG Affalterbachs Own rules.
AMG Fort Lauderdale was as much of an AMG shop, as BHMA or AMG Westmont.
I also have a W220 S600 which came from the factory with an applied ///AMG badge, even though it only had an AMG body kit, sport suspension, and wheels.
My W209 CLK500 has a factory installed AMG bodykit, and AMG wheels (All CLK 500's in NA came that way), and no ///AMG badge.
My W220 S55 ///AMG has a badge, but is a True MB owned AMG. Same with my R230 SL55.
In the end, I regard the W126 the truest, real AMG car, because thats when AMG was owned by the founders still.
Idiots! ****-Holes! Pay attention.
Originally, as a tuner, AMG would not let you get an AMG badge unless you had three separate items from the catalog on your car.
Not only were they a tuner, they were a boutique builder. Everything was custom, by the customers wishes, and a-la-carte.
My 87' 560 SEC AMG came from AMG Fort Lauderdale, NOT Affalterbach. It does not have an AMG tuned engine. Not a 4-cam. Not a 6.0 stroker. No engine tuning at all...
And you know what, you AMG Snob trifling Bi-Atch **** owners: My car is More of an AMG than yours will ever be.
Because mine was built when AMG was still AMG GmbH. Not a watered down, teeth pulled, nails clipped AMG Owned by Mercedes, because Mercedes saw a way of increasing profits, and not losing sales to the grey market.
My car came equipped with the following:
AMG Headers / down-pipes
AMG full exhaust
AMG full body-kit
AMG rear decklid rear wing
AMG shocks
AMG springs
AMG differential, with LSD and R/P
AMG wheels
AMG steering wheel
Oh yeah, and an AMG Fort Lauderdale applied AMG trunk badge.
As it had more than 3 items out of the catalog, by AMG Affalterbachs Own rules.
AMG Fort Lauderdale was as much of an AMG shop, as BHMA or AMG Westmont.
I also have a W220 S600 which came from the factory with an applied ///AMG badge, even though it only had an AMG body kit, sport suspension, and wheels.
My W209 CLK500 has a factory installed AMG bodykit, and AMG wheels (All CLK 500's in NA came that way), and no ///AMG badge.
My W220 S55 ///AMG has a badge, but is a True MB owned AMG. Same with my R230 SL55.
In the end, I regard the W126 the truest, real AMG car, because thats when AMG was owned by the founders still.
Your 560 SEC did not come with AMG wheels, it came with ATS wheels or Ronal wheels. Your car did not come with AMG suspension it came with bilstein struts or a crappy air ride system....shall I keep going? I grew up in Hinsdale, IL less than two miles from AMG Westmont. AMG Westmont is now called MB of Westmont and owned by the same owner that owns MB of Naperville where I purchase all my Mercedes. The body shop that painted every AMG built at AMG Westmont is now located in Naperville, IL the city I now live in, they work on my AMGs and I was pointed in the direction of large a stock pile of old, original unpainted AMG body panels, bumpers and rear decklids and bought them all. The first 560SEC built by AMG Westmont in the early 80s was owned by a neighbor when I was just a kid. My AMG experiences go back to the early or mid 80's.
Just becuase you're some old timer don't assume that the younger crowd is clueless.
02-11-2015, 09:37 PM
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Now for your history lesson
Your 560 SEC did not come with AMG wheels, it came with ATS wheels or Ronal wheels. Your car did not come with AMG suspension it came with bilstein struts or a crappy air ride system....shall I keep going? I grew up in Hinsdale, IL less than two miles from AMG Westmont. AMG Westmont is now called MB of Westmont and owned by the same owner that owns MB of Naperville where I purchase all my Mercedes. The body shop that painted every AMG built at AMG Westmont is now located in Naperville, IL the city I now live in, they work on my AMGs and I was pointed in the direction of large a stock pile of old, original unpainted AMG body panels, bumpers and rear decklids and bought them all. The first 560SEC built by AMG Westmont in the early 80s was owned by a neighbor when I was just a kid. My AMG experiences go back to the early or mid 80's.
Just becuase you're some old timer don't assume that the younger crowd is clueless.
Your 560 SEC did not come with AMG wheels, it came with ATS wheels or Ronal wheels. Your car did not come with AMG suspension it came with bilstein struts or a crappy air ride system....shall I keep going? I grew up in Hinsdale, IL less than two miles from AMG Westmont. AMG Westmont is now called MB of Westmont and owned by the same owner that owns MB of Naperville where I purchase all my Mercedes. The body shop that painted every AMG built at AMG Westmont is now located in Naperville, IL the city I now live in, they work on my AMGs and I was pointed in the direction of large a stock pile of old, original unpainted AMG body panels, bumpers and rear decklids and bought them all. The first 560SEC built by AMG Westmont in the early 80s was owned by a neighbor when I was just a kid. My AMG experiences go back to the early or mid 80's.
Just becuase you're some old timer don't assume that the younger crowd is clueless.
Have you looked at the C450? It doesn't even have an AMG badge on the back...
And BTW if your cars are all Weistec'd out anyways why do you care so deeply about AMG? Weistec is playing the role for you that AMG was originally made for so you should strip the AMG badges and put Weistec badges on, then ain't nobody gonna mistake your status. Now relax.
02-11-2015, 10:07 PM
#229
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Pretty sure you are missing the point.... Your cars are cool man. You can relax, nobody is going to confuse a C450 with your 1200 HP Weistec Black series....
Have you looked at the C450? It doesn't even have an AMG badge on the back...
And BTW if your cars are all Weistec'd out anyways why do you care so deeply about AMG? Weistec is playing the role for you that AMG was originally made for so you should strip the AMG badges and put Weistec badges on, then ain't nobody gonna mistake your status. Now relax.
Have you looked at the C450? It doesn't even have an AMG badge on the back...
And BTW if your cars are all Weistec'd out anyways why do you care so deeply about AMG? Weistec is playing the role for you that AMG was originally made for so you should strip the AMG badges and put Weistec badges on, then ain't nobody gonna mistake your status. Now relax.
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02-11-2015, 10:30 PM
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I drive a CLK63 AMG. She just turned 21,000 miles. A few may say my ownership in itself is not sufficient to consider me a worthy AMG owner. I don't drive the car to its potential, it is only my first AMG, and I bought it used. I could not have afforded the $110,000 that it cost in 2008.
My point is that AMG already builds products that can be obtained by members of classes other than the elite drivers who possess the means to own the world's finest things.
I'm moved to recall my grandfather's departure from the St Croix Yacht Club. He was voted out of office by his fellow club members because he proposed that members of the exclusive group should own a boat.
People own and love their AMGs for many varied reasons.
Building a model or models that become affordable to a vast segment of the market once excluded can be devastating to those owners who bought their AMGs to have a brand others cannot afford.
To sacrifice performance elements in an effort to make the product affordable, while not changing the brand associated with earlier uncompromising iterations, serves to change the brand.
It is my opinion that only the insecure or egotistical will suffer however. As surely as the newer cars will have different performance aspects, their price will expand the market. The purists, however, will always know the difference. They don't buy because of a badge, they buy because they know themselves and they know what they like.
The 70's film Gumball Rally offered a toast "to internal combustion and wind in the face." No matter what AMG produces, it does not, in any way, diminish what they have built to date...it just changes the way a few look at it.
My point is that AMG already builds products that can be obtained by members of classes other than the elite drivers who possess the means to own the world's finest things.
I'm moved to recall my grandfather's departure from the St Croix Yacht Club. He was voted out of office by his fellow club members because he proposed that members of the exclusive group should own a boat.
People own and love their AMGs for many varied reasons.
Building a model or models that become affordable to a vast segment of the market once excluded can be devastating to those owners who bought their AMGs to have a brand others cannot afford.
To sacrifice performance elements in an effort to make the product affordable, while not changing the brand associated with earlier uncompromising iterations, serves to change the brand.
It is my opinion that only the insecure or egotistical will suffer however. As surely as the newer cars will have different performance aspects, their price will expand the market. The purists, however, will always know the difference. They don't buy because of a badge, they buy because they know themselves and they know what they like.
The 70's film Gumball Rally offered a toast "to internal combustion and wind in the face." No matter what AMG produces, it does not, in any way, diminish what they have built to date...it just changes the way a few look at it.
02-11-2015, 11:08 PM
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02-11-2015, 11:13 PM
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C450 (pre-ordered Jan 14)
02-12-2015, 02:09 AM
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02-12-2015, 05:50 AM
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E250 CGI Sportwagon, SLK350, C350 cdi sport
Ok, after reading many posts regarding the 'AMG' issue, please let me have an opinion on this.
First and foremost I consider myself a Mercedes owner, yes I aspire to own an AMG but for the time being I will stick with what I have got.
My daily driver is an E250 CGI with the AMG styling pack, I have no AMG badges placed on the car apart from the dealer fitted interior mats and the cast in AMG symbols on the alloys.
I have no intention of having my car perceived as an AMG and I have no delusions of thinking it as an AMG, plain and simple, I prefer a more sporty look, I couldn't care less if it didn't have any AMG branding or even if the model name was just 'sport'.
It's not our fault Mercedes never made the true AMG look totally different from the AMG sport styled models.
There is no need for snobbery from the true AMG crowd, you all have amazing pieces of engineering, the engines alone speak for themselves.
I do believe that only a minority of Mercedes owners get AMG badging put on their vehicles, usually along with debadging of the C220 or E250 etc.
My wifes SLK350 has no AMG anything on it and that is the way it will stay as after all it isn't an AMG, although I am pretty sure that in the near future there will be an SLK55 sat on my driveway and possibly an E63, but I will not frown upon owners of 'AMG styled' Mercedes models unless of course they are wrongly badged as AMG's.
Rant over
Steve
First and foremost I consider myself a Mercedes owner, yes I aspire to own an AMG but for the time being I will stick with what I have got.
My daily driver is an E250 CGI with the AMG styling pack, I have no AMG badges placed on the car apart from the dealer fitted interior mats and the cast in AMG symbols on the alloys.
I have no intention of having my car perceived as an AMG and I have no delusions of thinking it as an AMG, plain and simple, I prefer a more sporty look, I couldn't care less if it didn't have any AMG branding or even if the model name was just 'sport'.
It's not our fault Mercedes never made the true AMG look totally different from the AMG sport styled models.
There is no need for snobbery from the true AMG crowd, you all have amazing pieces of engineering, the engines alone speak for themselves.
I do believe that only a minority of Mercedes owners get AMG badging put on their vehicles, usually along with debadging of the C220 or E250 etc.
My wifes SLK350 has no AMG anything on it and that is the way it will stay as after all it isn't an AMG, although I am pretty sure that in the near future there will be an SLK55 sat on my driveway and possibly an E63, but I will not frown upon owners of 'AMG styled' Mercedes models unless of course they are wrongly badged as AMG's.
Rant over
Steve
02-12-2015, 08:26 AM
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MB W204, VW Polo, Audi R8 V10 - SOLD.
Two different people at MB say two different things. I think it's safe to say that nobody really knows at MB - or at least the people I can talk to! Hurry up already!
02-19-2015, 08:23 AM
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Guys ~ clean up this sandpit or we will clean it up for you. Enough or beheadings will begin!
