synaptik

You may have not had that intention at first but you've talked about for the last 3 pages. I agree with a lot of your points so no need to be so defensive, just saying, change starts from within.

I'll drop any further reference to it if you're willing to do the same.

PeterUbers

K-a I'm looking forward to yur review of the c450 once you get a chance to drive one

I know you get a lot of heat on these forums but I respect your perspectives and appreciate your posts

K-A

Agreed and I've been hoping to drop it for a while now. Hard to not answer when someone brings it back up especially if I don't think what's being said is accurate. But you're very right in what you're saying.

Thanks, Peter, I appreciate that. I respect yours as well.

I'm excited to drive the C450. Haven't really gone to an M-B dealer to really DRIVE a car.... in a while. The C450 sound right up my alley in what I'm into from cars right now.

coladin

Or souped up VW Forum

K-A

LOL. Got some big chips on shoulders with a few 'round these parts, don't we.

coladin

Just trying to point you in the right direction, no need to be defensive

dtc100

K-A has been tooting his Macan horn the same way in every forum he visits, I don't think he even realizes it himself. He makes it appear to be on topic, but his only topic of interest is his Macan, or if he has a secondary interest, is to call all other models crap.

As far as the C Class sales, February US sales is closing up with the 3 Series sales nicely.

If this trend holds or gets better, MB should take the US sales crown back from BMW easily.

BMW relies on 3 Series heavily, MB is more balanced, with CLA/GLA and SUVs helping out a big way.

oldman&theC

[QUOTE=Jinzen;6355003]I don't know, I'm 27 and I have a C-Class. Next car will be E-Class, Panamera, Macan, F-Type...

I don't see older people in C-Classes around here...[/QUOT

You will see a 75 year old grandpa in a C450 as soon as I can order one.If you grew up inthe muscle car era and loved them the feeling never goes away.I still like high performance cars,but now with some luxury.

Glyn M Ruck

Guys ~ we have had a NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS. Please keep this thread on topic.

Thank you!

dtc100

Having driven a brand new 15' C300 loaner for a few days, it is quite loaded with GPS, new interface, full seat adjustment, Burmester sound, pano roof...

The interior is a big step above the last gen C. Even the driving dynamics has improved a lot. When I was in the S+ Mode gave it full gas whether on the straight, or out of a corner, the car was well composed and even let out some nice exhaust pops, somethings I did not notice in the previous gen C loaners.

Even though I still can't wait to get back in my CLA45, I can certainly see the new C appeal to many drivers.

I can't imagine the C450 driving dynamics too different if the chassis is fundamentally the same (I know there are AMG bits), only more engine power added. Maybe the more aggressive exhaust note will do the trick.

bartola

I believe the dynamics will change dramatically, the whole suspension is exactly the same as C63 and AWD (like the CLA45) looks like an awesome track car (based on the videos on the internets).

PeterUbers

The whole suspension is not 'exactly the same as the c63... ' Please cite your source

bartola

Sure;

Car and driver;

"The car rides on a uniquely developed multilink suspension with three-stage electronically adjustable dampers that come straight out of the C63"

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

Tjdehya

I think you misread. The adjustable dampers are from the C63. But i think that is the only thing they have in common. If not then there might be a couple other similarities.

But the suspension is definitely NOT exactly the same as the C63.

dreamerak

I agree the suspensions are not exactly the same, however, I found this quote from the C450 AMG press release interesting.

The engineers have revised many technical features of the new AMG sports model. Their objective: a high level of authentic driving dynamics geared towards the Mercedes-AMG C63. To this end, a host of suspension components were adopted from the top-of-the-line V8 model. The driver also feels the DNA of the C63 in the application of the engine and transmission management. Agility and sportiness dominate the intense driving experience in the C450 AMG 4MATIC on every mile

http://www.mbusa.com/vcm/MB/DigitalA...ATIC-FINAL.pdf

K-A

They're putting enough high praise and promise on the "authentic" dynamics of the C450 in its seemingly raw way, that at this point, I'm expecting it to be very good. Driving a W205, it seems so hard to grasp how they can turn that chassis into anything resembling what the reports are stating from the C450, at least without a full AMG gut and re-treatment, but it'll be pretty shocking if it comes through the way it's supposed to. AMG are obviously the key to unlocking this from said chassis.

My only reservation becomes if it can maintain a tolerable ride. In my experiences, M-B are good at making cars either very soft, or very harsh over bumps. Audi have mastered doing both at the same time on their sedans, in comparison. So how AMG can match their newly injected dynamics into the W205 chassis with the inherent softness of said chassis with not sacrificing either too much, will be the true test. Sounds like they're up to it, but I haven't seem much mention about real world, urban city driving where ultimate comfort is tested (after all, it's a small luxury sedan).

dreamerak

The C450 will have electronically adjustable shocks via a switch in the cabin, according to MB it will be capable of long distance comfort on the softest setting.

bartola

I guess we just have to wait and see. I am assuming the whole suspension would need to be designed around the dampers and settings allowed + the AMG tuned 4matic. All said and done, I believe it will be a great package, I can't wait to order mine.

dtc100

Electronically controlled dampers a nice, just be sure either lease the car, or sell it before warranty is over

dreamerak

Electronic dampers have been around for a long time, Porsche has used them for over ten years, I haven't seen or heard of any significant reliability problems.

Glyn M Ruck

The W204 with Advanced Agility Control had switchable magnetorheological shocks/dampers & they were trouble free.

dreamerak

Photo of switch on C450 AMG. Click on image.

K-A

I'm guessing one bar is Sport, the next is Sport+, and then no lights is standard Comfort, so 3 settings?

dtc100

What about come time for shocks replacement?

dreamerak

Sounds reasonable to me, C&D article says 3 stage dampers.