Wolfman

Just stumbled across this thread and found a bunch of disturbing comments here...

The most concerning one is yours about trolling as IMO the forum is about reading/discussing MB's of all stripes and colors. One doesn't have to own a W205 or wanting to buy one to post opinions about it.

I have no interest in buying one but love to read about the cars and people's opinions. Since features & tech filter through all models I can most likely provide information or opinions of value to others. Does that make me a troll?
In your description it would...

Re. the C450, Mercedes is simply copying the BMW playbook. They are making a killing on the M-Sport cosmetics/small performance bits and MB has vowed to increase the margin per car, so I am sure we'll see more of that.

Customers are just willing to shell out money to come closer to their M/AMG counterparts.

AMG purists will not like like as the distinction blurs between run of the mill and factory exotic. So, of course the AMG brand is diluted in the mind of the AMG buyer, but not the average customer or MB corporate.

dtc100

The title of the thread with "one fast poser" allows comparison, humor and even ridicules, with respect of course.

I understand the strong reaction by long time AMG owners. If some of you C450 advocates don't want distraction, maybe start a thread title clearly restrict it to C450 discussion only.

But again nothing can be much value if only discussed in isolation.

Mr Enigma

There was a thread for exactly that but it was locked because the same people arguing in this thread were doing so in there. All the threads regarding the C450 have become threads like this and it becomes tiresome for people that are actually interested in the car. Surely you can understand the frustration...?

hyperion667

if life makes you scared and bitter, at least it's not for very long... Greg Graffin

Tjdehya

Sport styling to be exact... but you could still purchase an E550 with Airmatic. Which gives you power and comfort... I also believe that you could order an E550 with the luxury steel suspension. So again, someone buying an E550 could get a softer suspension if they didn't want a sporty ride.

I am sure they have the sales figures to reflect that information.
But like I said, some buyers want power and comfort...
e.g. I never considered the E350 because it lacks both comfort and power. Airmatic is not an option for the E350, and the V6 was not enough for me.

If a customer like me were shopping for a W205, they would want a powerful W205 with Airmatic.

I assume that MB has decided that they will gain more customers with the sporty C450 AMG than they will lose from the (powerful and comfortable) W205 shopper. I am sure that the C400 with Airmatic sales numbers are low.

dtc100

Not if the title itself suggests a wide range of discussions, supporters of one model regularly use other models for comparison, especially when information used for comparison is either inaccurate or baseless.

If the frustration is with some trolls who do not contribute to the thread, by all means remove them.

Mr Enigma

I don't think most people have any issue with people discussing brand dilution or comparing the C450 with M and S models from BMW and Audio respectively. Its an interesting point. You don't need to have either car to have a view either imo.

My frustration is with the trolls (both AMGers and non-AMGers) who aren't adding to the debate in a productive way. I have a few questions about the car which I don't feel will be addressed because of the trolling happening in any thread related to the c450.

Nonetheless I think we agree. It will be interesting to see the official release and reviews.

sinape62

You want more? You have to have the last word? What are you 12? So let's further discuss then. If it's not brand dilution, let's see what number of C450 that sell. If the C450 sells more than the C63, based on any past numbers the C63 sold before, then it is brand dilution. If it's about MB selling more cars, then its about volume. It may be about volume, a market strategy to draw in more would-be AMG owners that otherwise would not or could not afford the C63 product...sound like brand dilution? Because that's what it is! Put it this way Einstein what happens when the C63 Black Series is released, how will the C450 be viewed then? When that happens, I bet there is going to be many de-badged C450's out there for obvious reasons... The C63 sales number will tell if the brand was diluted or not. It's more than just selling cars...some models will suffer it happens all the time. The C300 will be the most popular in volume. If the C450 is more popular than the C63 (and if those C63 numbers are low by any previous year by comparison) then the C class AMG brand became diluted.

I'm done with you!

Cdiddy

Wow. As an outsider who came to this forum to learn more about the new C class, and potentially the C450 as my potential next car, I must say I'm shocked at the attitude on these boards. The immature name calling and vitriol thrown at differing viewpoints is something I've not seen on other similar forums, and is certainly not what I would have expected.

I'm honestly astounded that this type of juvenile behavior is allowed by the mods without intervention. What a huge turnoff to what could have been a good resource.

Newzchspy

I too prefer the looks of the C450. Nice lines, like the black mirrors and sill treatments z( or lack thereof). AWD is a huge plus in wet/inclement weather and I do agree with JRCART that it's hard to tell the difference though. So what, it's still not an AMG and won't dilute the brand. Only increase brand exposure. Just take the AMG off the front fenders and all will be happy.

Newzchspy

Are you talking volume or brand?? Two district issues. The C class has always sold more than the C AMG class and it's always been limited production, just as the ZO6 Vette is for GM. Different cars, different missions. I can guarantee that the C450 will sell more than the c63 and it's supposed to. That's not brand dilution, it's simply smart sales. The AMG cars will always be special and the C450 will not take away from that.

So what it looks like the C63. So too does the Z51 look a lot like the Z06 at a distance.

MDMercedesGuy

This certainly would not make you a troll. I frequent both the W166 and W205 forums, as I am trying to decide which of them will be the next one I park in my garage. It makes you or I no different.

The difference comes when you have someone who purposely picks out the thread to call the car "junk" and **** all over those who potentially might be interested in it because they feel insulted that it even exists. Trolling comes in all forms, but the obvious problem is when someone constantly feels the need to stir a pot over and over. Then the constant attacks and lack of class come out of certain members and it all just goes down the tube.

Personally, I am excited about the C450. I'll never own one as I can't abide a V6 in any form, but I appreciate the car as it is as marvel of engineering and beauty.

trueblue_ips

It's just c63 owners feeling a bit insecure because the c450 is getting such good reviews.
The c450 is the only AMG that offers AWD so this only makes it a no brainer for those that want this feature.

kuba.95

The CLA 45 AMG, A45 AMG, and GLA 45 AMG are all 4matic (Aka AWD). Maybe do some research before you comment next time.

dtc100

Many C450 advocates don't seem to know all the facts, so C450 may just be perfect, "the only AMG" that has 4matic, and can go faster than an M235 and finally redeem the value the CLA45 AMG had lost to M235.

As they read more, some of them may come around

kuba.95

Haha true enough. Also AMG is under the name Mercedes-AMG now, and the C450 is sold as a Mercedes-Benz C450 AMG sport 4matic. So technically it doesn't count for AMG sales, nor does it help AMG's profits which is further proof that it's not an AMG.

P.S don't tell them that the CLA 45 actually beat the M235 in tons of comparisons and track tests or else we might have to deal with a riot!

Tjdehya

Almost EVERY AMG offers 4matic except the C63, Roadsters, and V12Biturbo AMGs.

E/CLS/S/M/GL/G/

kuba.95

Yup the only ones which don't offer it are the C63, SL63, SLK55, SLS, AMG GT, along with the V12 Biturbo AMGs.

trueblue_ips

Yes but the cla45 isn't a proper AMG. Apologies I'd just taken that as read.

kuba.95

Lol the CLA 45 AMG is a true AMG with a hand built engine and was developed by AMG.
Btw your trolling is obvious and quite sad

Mr Enigma

As an aside, I (and I suspect most others) do not classify the C450 as a true AMG. It only has some components shared with the top model and has been lightly brushed by AMG but that does not qualify it as being AMG imo.

ManiacGT

Oh dear god people... Just buy the car you want and be happy with it. Life is short.

thussain

Agreed loool. People are so damn insecure here.

I was going to ask a question here, but I think I will move it to the car and driver C450 thread.
Thanks

MDMercedesGuy

This thread has done a good job of pointing out those who bought a Mercedes for the badge versus those who bought it for the engineering behind it...

dtc100

You are correct sir. This thread is apparently not for Q&A (judging by the title), but for some people to make statements, and other people to correct their statements.