1st gear start?
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Were they GLC300 with the 9G transmission or other GLC models?
I've read somewhere that MBs with smaller engines start in 1st gear. Like the C220 and probably the C180 as well (mostly European models). I have the Canadian model C300 with 2L engine and it starts in 2nd. So did the GLC300 with the 9 speed transmission.
I've read somewhere that MBs with smaller engines start in 1st gear. Like the C220 and probably the C180 as well (mostly European models). I have the Canadian model C300 with 2L engine and it starts in 2nd. So did the GLC300 with the 9 speed transmission.
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It is obvious that people are divided over the 1st vs 2nd gear start. Some hate the 1st gear start others hate the 2nd gear start. How hard would it have been for the much praised engineers to add an option to the command menu like "Start in 2nd gear" or something similar? There are so many settings already like tighten the seat belt or not, fold the mirrors or not, audible lock or silent, lighting options, you name it... and they could have easily satisfied both groups. But no! You want a feature? Buy a new car! While most of these features are minor software adjustments.
This is where Tesla leads the way. You can get features over the air. You don't even have to drive to the dealership.
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Since your main concern here is what gear it starts in and the fact you are not looking at fast shifting but just smooth and comfortable shifting but start in gear 1, moving away from the brand just for this reason doesn't make sense. Can someone tell me if a G20 330i starts at 1st gear (just curious?) haven't test driven a BMW or cars with ZF transmission for a long time.
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It is obvious that people are divided over the 1st vs 2nd gear start. Some hate the 1st gear start others hate the 2nd gear start. How hard would it have been for the much praised engineers to add an option to the command menu like "Start in 2nd gear" or something similar? There are so many settings already like tighten the seat belt or not, fold the mirrors or not, audible lock or silent, lighting options, you name it... and they could have easily satisfied both groups. But no! You want a feature? Buy a new car! While most of these features are minor software adjustments.
This is where Tesla leads the way. You can get features over the air. You don't even have to drive to the dealership.
This is where Tesla leads the way. You can get features over the air. You don't even have to drive to the dealership.
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I agree that every feature comes with a cost and that they have satisfied most drivers. But then there is the rest of us and the indy shops. We are willing to pay for customizations and indy shops are making loads of money on them except they can't fix this 2nd gear start issue.
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Honestly, despite how much I love MB I got to admit that MB's transmission is always lacking compared to ZF. Only saying this is because of you just sharing your experience with your previous car.
Since your main concern here is what gear it starts in and the fact you are not looking at fast shifting but just smooth and comfortable shifting but start in gear 1, moving away from the brand just for this reason doesn't make sense. Can someone tell me if a G20 330i starts at 1st gear (just curious?) haven't test driven a BMW or cars with ZF transmission for a long time.
Since your main concern here is what gear it starts in and the fact you are not looking at fast shifting but just smooth and comfortable shifting but start in gear 1, moving away from the brand just for this reason doesn't make sense. Can someone tell me if a G20 330i starts at 1st gear (just curious?) haven't test driven a BMW or cars with ZF transmission for a long time.
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I don't know for specific models such as the G20, but it's very common for torque converter automatics to start in 2nd gear at least in their normal modes. Many of these cars also don't even show the current gear in automatic mode, so you don't know. Perhaps, Mercedes is just giving too much information here by showing the current gear in the normal models. I'm aware of the complaints surrounding the transmission in the C43, but in general I'm actually not a big fan of the ZF8, especially not in more performance oriented models. I'm specifically not a fan of torque converters. I think the C43 is just very aggressive with the torque converter lookup clutch to give an experience closer to the C63 which is using a wet startup clutch instead of a torque converter.
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but... I am not only talking about the C43 transmission superswiss. As I heard complaints from my MB friends of the W205 C300, W213 E400, E450, W222 S500, S560, W223 (on the forum for the W223 as I don't have any friends with a W223 yet) MB and AMG both having jerky shifting, hesitation or straight up slip.
Edit: I didn't mention the AMG models some of my friends experienced "problems" with the transmission because I guess that is what you want in a performance vehicle (to feel every shift and feel everything on the road)... but I guess you shouldn't have to deal with that on a W222 S63 which my friend ended up selling.
Edit: I didn't mention the AMG models some of my friends experienced "problems" with the transmission because I guess that is what you want in a performance vehicle (to feel every shift and feel everything on the road)... but I guess you shouldn't have to deal with that on a W222 S63 which my friend ended up selling.
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but... I am not only talking about the C43 transmission superswiss. As I heard complaints from my MB friends of the W205 C300, W213 E400, E450, W222 S500, S560, W223 (on the forum for the W223 as I don't have any friends with a W223 yet) MB and AMG both having jerky shifting, hesitation or straight up slip.
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but... I am not only talking about the C43 transmission superswiss. As I heard complaints from my MB friends of the W205 C300, W213 E400, E450, W222 S500, S560, W223 (on the forum for the W223 as I don't have any friends with a W223 yet) MB and AMG both having jerky shifting, hesitation or straight up slip.
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Maybe so. My experience with the regular 9G is limited to loaners, and they all drove super smooth. Some of them I drove for several weeks. So not sure how much these complaints are of general nature or are actually specific issues with some of the cars, or an unfortunate adaptation due to an inconsistent driving style. I have noted this before. One of the main reasons I often drive in manual mode is that I don't want my transmission to be confused between my moderate casual driving style and my spirited driving style, so whenever I drive spirited I put it in M and shift myself, so my transmission has pretty much exclusively adapted to my casual driving style. To that extent for example when I first got my C63, it aggressively downshifted all the way to 1st gear when coming to a stop, which was jerky, but after a while it stopped doing that and now it only downshifts all the way to 2nd, and then only goes into first once I've come to a complete stop for a second or so. If I don't come to a complete stop, it remains in 2nd, so I often continue in 2nd gear after just a brief stop like a 'California stop'. Basically as long as there is still some momentum in the drivetrain it doesn't go into 1st anymore.
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I heard about that, which is sad because the 7G-TRONIC is way more "developed" and was on the market for a way longer time (so they had enough time to iron out bugs) than the newish 9G-tronic
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I agree that every feature comes with a cost and that they have satisfied most drivers. But then there is the rest of us and the indy shops. We are willing to pay for customizations and indy shops are making loads of money on them except they can't fix this 2nd gear start issue.
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OP's thread reminds me of a thread (although OP's question at least makes more sense) while the following question doesn't make sense because they are trying to disable something that under normal circumstances it wouldn't enable. Yet, they want to stop such programmed behaviour to activate when all the criterias are met. (apologize for the wording of this sentence)
https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...ispreloading=1
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Ah 64, a magically number. That explains why MB has 64 ambient light colours. I guess the W223 has more though.
OP's thread reminds me of a thread (although OP's question at least makes more sense) while the following question doesn't make sense because they are trying to disable something that under normal circumstances it wouldn't enable. Yet, they want to stop such programmed behaviour to activate when all the criterias are met. (apologize for the wording of this sentence)
https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...ispreloading=1
OP's thread reminds me of a thread (although OP's question at least makes more sense) while the following question doesn't make sense because they are trying to disable something that under normal circumstances it wouldn't enable. Yet, they want to stop such programmed behaviour to activate when all the criterias are met. (apologize for the wording of this sentence)
https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...ispreloading=1
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Correct, Glide Mode does that, however, the difference is that it can instantly re-engage if you step on the throttle to get out of an emergency. Very different if the driver deliberately does it, and then has to scramble to get the transmission back in gear in a potential emergency. It goes back to my point, that putting the transmission in N does not damage it, but you shouldn't do it.
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Correct, Glide Mode does that, however, the difference is that it can instantly re-engage if you step on the throttle to get out of an emergency. Very different if the driver deliberately does it, and then has to scramble to get the transmission back in gear in a potential emergency. It goes back to my point, that putting the transmission in N does not damage it, but you shouldn't do it.
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Both your statements are true. I must have read about the potential damage in my previous W205s manual that had the 7G transmission. I couldn't find that same statement in my current car's manual. That along with the Glide Mode make me believe that coasting is safe for the transmission and that fixes my 1st gear issue in most part. I can just shift to N while approaching a red light and shift to D after coming to a stop.
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