C32/C55 front rotors floating type? Need opinions on rotor replacement
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C32/C55 front rotors floating type? Need opinions on rotor replacement
Hey guys, just replacing my brakes. I got EBC redstuff front and rear and I'm looking at rotor replacements now as well. My 2 choices are basically Zimmerman cross drilled which aren't listed as floating or Centric solid disc which are listed as "floating". I don't know about you guys, but I've warped cross-drilled rotors on the track in the past. Then again, I've never had a set of 4-piston calipers before. Anyways, anybody know if the Zimmermans are floating or not? Are OEM rotors floating? Any opinions on which rotor I should go with? I'm an occasional tracker. I kind of regret getting the redstuff pads now, I should have opted for the Yellowstuff. I actually cooked the redstuff on a low speed track here when I was in my SAAB. Centric is slightly cheaper, and I hate the way cross-drilled rotors wear.
For anyone who doesn't know, floating rotors are basically 2 peice rotors that are riveted together to allow movement between the 2 peices (braking surface and hub peice) to prevent warpage under extreme braking and heat conditions. Originally designed for motor bikes because of the thin rotor design prone to warpage.
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Bryan
For anyone who doesn't know, floating rotors are basically 2 peice rotors that are riveted together to allow movement between the 2 peices (braking surface and hub peice) to prevent warpage under extreme braking and heat conditions. Originally designed for motor bikes because of the thin rotor design prone to warpage.
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Bryan
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The only front direct replacement, floating rotors that I know of are made by Racing Brake. They are plug and play. I have them installed but have an annoying shake when the brakes are applied. I think its because I am using EBC Redstuff ceramics and not semi metallic pads, which is what they recommend... Hope this helps....
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I think its because I am using EBC Redstuff ceramics and not semi metallic pads
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And you were running RB rotors? What pads did you switch to?
I had a horrible experience with EBC redstuff pads and their cross drilled/slotted rotors on my old 2002 Spoirtcoupe. Long story short all four rotors had to be machined, and all 8 pads replaced with a different manufacturer. EBC would not take responsibility for anything. Everything was professionally installed. Bad vibration after 2000-3000 miles.
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Only rotors that are available as a drop in replacement for the factory front brakes are the ones from Racing Brake. I tried to start a GB for them for this winter but the thread was not allowed here on MBW, and there was zero replies on BW. There is no rear 2 piece rotor available. I'm just gonna go with stock rotors and akebonos for the front and rear.
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I just did my brake job. Used Zimmerman front rotors and Akebono pads all around. The Zimmerman rotors have already got rust on the hubs and I've only had them on for about 2 months. For that reason, I'd go with OEM since I never had that issue on my last rotors that were years old. The Akebono pads give a much different feeling than OEM. May be good or bad depending on your tastes. They take a lot much more to heat up and give optimal braking on the street. They don't bite right away like OEM. Also, they squeak just a tiny bit when you first start driving. The pad material must be softer than OEM because the brake feel is much mushier now. They definitely stop when you get on them but the feel is not there. The one great thing about them is that there is virtually no dust, but I guess that's the tradeoff.
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Hmmm.. I've had EBC GD rotors and redstuff pads on my SAAB for about a year. Tracked 3 times and never had any issues. I thought they were great!
BTW, rust has nothing to do with quality of rotors. For an extra cost you can get any rotor Cadmium plated and that will prevent the hub from rusting. Without this coating, ALL rotors will rust. Keep in mind that a lot of times the rust is actually comming from the brake dust and not the rotors.
Anyways, maybe MB has issues with EBC parts? I'm going to put the EBC fronts on with my stock rotors for now and see how it goes. If they're ok, my next set of rotors will probably be zimmermans.
thanks guys.
BTW, rust has nothing to do with quality of rotors. For an extra cost you can get any rotor Cadmium plated and that will prevent the hub from rusting. Without this coating, ALL rotors will rust. Keep in mind that a lot of times the rust is actually comming from the brake dust and not the rotors.
Anyways, maybe MB has issues with EBC parts? I'm going to put the EBC fronts on with my stock rotors for now and see how it goes. If they're ok, my next set of rotors will probably be zimmermans.
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I think the rotors are the last thing I would replace. First on the list would be a change to higher temperature brake fluid, better brake pads for higher temperatures, and probably stainless steel brake lines. The stock 4 piston setup and rotors are pretty damn good, in my opinion.
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I am using RB in front with Goodridge lines and Redstuff pads. From day 1 Ive had an annoying vibration when I apply the brakes. I am swithing to semi-mettalic pads now.
URL below.
http://www.racingbrake.com/C32_AMG_F...p/2118-351.htm
URL below.
http://www.racingbrake.com/C32_AMG_F...p/2118-351.htm
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Stock C55 Front Rotors
Do you know where i can get the OEM Rotors?
I think it's pretty hard to really "warp" the stock rotors, even on the track. In my experience, brake judder can certainly occur after a track day, where some uneven brake pad deposits are seared onto the front rotor. I then get a "vibration" or "noise" coming from the front brakes for a few weeks. But after a while, the problem goes away, as the normal wear simply scrapes away the uneven brake pad deposits on the rotors.
I think the rotors are the last thing I would replace. First on the list would be a change to higher temperature brake fluid, better brake pads for higher temperatures, and probably stainless steel brake lines. The stock 4 piston setup and rotors are pretty damn good, in my opinion.
I think the rotors are the last thing I would replace. First on the list would be a change to higher temperature brake fluid, better brake pads for higher temperatures, and probably stainless steel brake lines. The stock 4 piston setup and rotors are pretty damn good, in my opinion.
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I think it's pretty hard to really "warp" the stock rotors, even on the track. In my experience, brake judder can certainly occur after a track day, where some uneven brake pad deposits are seared onto the front rotor. I then get a "vibration" or "noise" coming from the front brakes for a few weeks. But after a while, the problem goes away, as the normal wear simply scrapes away the uneven brake pad deposits on the rotors.
I think the rotors are the last thing I would replace. First on the list would be a change to higher temperature brake fluid, better brake pads for higher temperatures, and probably stainless steel brake lines. The stock 4 piston setup and rotors are pretty damn good, in my opinion.
I think the rotors are the last thing I would replace. First on the list would be a change to higher temperature brake fluid, better brake pads for higher temperatures, and probably stainless steel brake lines. The stock 4 piston setup and rotors are pretty damn good, in my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltfOjsyehAg
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I wasn't referring to the stock C32 rotors. I've warped my Volvo 850 cross drilled rotors which were S60R rotors at the time and my SAAB 93's cross drilled rotors as well. I haven't really taken the C32 on the track yet. Put it this way, at my last track event with the Volvo, my rotors were glowing. I've had HAWK blue pads, Motul fluid and goodridge lines on all my cars. Just looking for a good brake setup for my Merc right now. Rotors I've used in the past were EBC GD's, KVR's, Brembo and Zimmerman. My instructors always say that I'm very agressive with braking. I always brake very late and very hard. My Volvo also has no ABS as you can tell from my video here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltfOjsyehAg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltfOjsyehAg
Anyways, my point about the brakes is that I think you should give your stock rotors a try before going all out and replacing them. You may be pleasantly surprised how well they can do, especially if you upgrade the pads, brake fluid and brake lines. However, you probably are much harder on the brakes than I am, so maybe you do need a bigger brake kit than stock.
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unless it is really the time to replace your rotors just replace the pads with better ones for now.
Racing Brake rotors if you are into making your car having less unsprung weight. as they are the only choice without you shelling out for the Brembos or Stoptech etc.
I'm currently using Hawk ceramic on my brembos. should've just bought the hawk hps instead. the ceramic overheat too fast when i'm coming down the 15min down hill runs.
unless it is really the time to replace your rotors just replace the pads with better ones for now.
Racing Brake rotors if you are into making your car having less unsprung weight. as they are the only choice without you shelling out for the Brembos or Stoptech etc.
I'm currently using Hawk ceramic on my brembos. should've just bought the hawk hps instead. the ceramic overheat too fast when i'm coming down the 15min down hill runs.
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My rotors are starting to get worn, so it's not an upgrade, just a replacement. The only reason I'm considering other rotor replacement options over OEM is because of price. Aftermarket brakes are always cheaper than OEM stuff and most of the time better. However, I'm sure AMG stuff is top notch, but I'm sure similar performing rotors can be had for much less.
PC, I had no idea what was going on with my Volvo in that corner. It was a lapping day from years ago. It was also the first time I had disabled my ABS/TRACS. Dunnville isn't even open anymore due to too many residents complaining about the noise. I just remember how disappionted I was in the handling of the car. I had my KW's set too stiff in the front and the car would constantly plow. The car was a mess. I'm sure high powered FWD cars are more suited towards tracks like Mosport and not Shannonville/Dunnville.
BTW are you from Ontario?
Frank, will do. It's just nice to know what options I have when it comes time to replace the rotors. I go through them quite quickly.
PC, I had no idea what was going on with my Volvo in that corner. It was a lapping day from years ago. It was also the first time I had disabled my ABS/TRACS. Dunnville isn't even open anymore due to too many residents complaining about the noise. I just remember how disappionted I was in the handling of the car. I had my KW's set too stiff in the front and the car would constantly plow. The car was a mess. I'm sure high powered FWD cars are more suited towards tracks like Mosport and not Shannonville/Dunnville.
BTW are you from Ontario?
Frank, will do. It's just nice to know what options I have when it comes time to replace the rotors. I go through them quite quickly.
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........PC, I had no idea what was going on with my Volvo in that corner. It was a lapping day from years ago. It was also the first time I had disabled my ABS/TRACS. Dunnville isn't even open anymore due to too many residents complaining about the noise. I just remember how disappionted I was in the handling of the car. I had my KW's set too stiff in the front and the car would constantly plow. The car was a mess. I'm sure high powered FWD cars are more suited towards tracks like Mosport and not Shannonville/Dunnville.
BTW are you from Ontario?........
BTW are you from Ontario?........
And I'm pretty sure we're in the same general part of Ontario.....
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My rotors are starting to get worn, so it's not an upgrade, just a replacement. The only reason I'm considering other rotor replacement options over OEM is because of price. Aftermarket brakes are always cheaper than OEM stuff and most of the time better. However, I'm sure AMG stuff is top notch, but I'm sure similar performing rotors can be had for much less.
Whats the price for oem rotors in your country? here in germany they are very cheap.
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hehe.....I've wondered how "high powered FWD" cars would feel like on a track...... Anyways, I'm sure you'll enjoy a "high powered RWD" car like the C32......most poeple think it is the better drive train layout for "driving" enthusiastically.
And I'm pretty sure we're in the same general part of Ontario.....
And I'm pretty sure we're in the same general part of Ontario.....
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Although I have tracked many times, I have never tried autocross.......
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I am using RB in front with Goodridge lines and Redstuff pads. From day 1 Ive had an annoying vibration when I apply the brakes. I am swithing to semi-mettalic pads now.
URL below.
http://www.racingbrake.com/C32_AMG_F...p/2118-351.htm
URL below.
http://www.racingbrake.com/C32_AMG_F...p/2118-351.htm
Since you are from Europe, where did you get them and for what price?
Thanks
PS: Galfer also made floating rotors for many car models, but now, because of production changes and economic dificulties, they stop doing the floating rotors for many cars, before that they had for almost every European car, and also plug & play.
http://www.galfer.es/ANG/p_auto_dfx.html
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Wow this thread is old.
Might as well give the run down on my setup. I've been using EBC red's on my old oem rotors. They seem to be holding up. I've had no problems with EBC reds making noise or vibrating. However, they aren't good enough for me during my lapping days. After 2 laps, 3 laps max @ shannonville pro track I get brake fade and really smelly brakes. I never pushed it till they overheated. I always pitted when I started to sense some fade. I wish HAWK had HP+ for our cars. I've never experienced fade on those pads in any of my other cars. Any other pad suggestions for track use? I'm not sure I want to try EBC yellows, I'd like to try a different brand, porterfield RS4's maybe?
thanks,
Bry
Might as well give the run down on my setup. I've been using EBC red's on my old oem rotors. They seem to be holding up. I've had no problems with EBC reds making noise or vibrating. However, they aren't good enough for me during my lapping days. After 2 laps, 3 laps max @ shannonville pro track I get brake fade and really smelly brakes. I never pushed it till they overheated. I always pitted when I started to sense some fade. I wish HAWK had HP+ for our cars. I've never experienced fade on those pads in any of my other cars. Any other pad suggestions for track use? I'm not sure I want to try EBC yellows, I'd like to try a different brand, porterfield RS4's maybe?
thanks,
Bry
