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Those DAs and temps were completely different for the milliseconds in difference.
^ That! So, I do believe the intake works.
Originally Posted by Lazz83
Terry from Burger was right in suggesting that this design & material would cause a heat issue.
I for one would never buy anything made in China, but to each his/her own
Heat issue is only when the car is sitting in traffic with no fresh air coming in. BMS' design is basically the same. Both intakes suffers heat soak faster than stock when no fresh air comes thru. MST airbox does cool down once car gets moving. The box does not stay hot. It also does not stay cold/cool. LOL.
MST is made in Taiwan. Not China.
Originally Posted by BMS
IIRC people were giving us grief when we chimed into this thread with some reasons why this would have the outcome it did
Anyways, the airboxes is only one part of the restriction in the setup. They have yet to actually come up with something better than stock IMO.
To be honest, BMS, your design suffers the same heat issue when the car is not moving. You, nor your customers that installed your intake, provided any relevant data that shows actual gains in HP or Dragy/Track times. Everyone is quiet except some butt dyno'ers. You were going to post some data after your 1/2 mile event that showed benefits of the intake but never did. (Unless I missed it.) You repeatedly said you have will have data but never posted anything. (Again, maybe I missed it?) Even after all that, I was ready to pull the trigger when you said you were going to fix the cone filter fitment issue. But till today, I'm still waiting. You should sell us more on how fast cars go with your intake, rather than keep pointing out flaws of competitor's. That just seem petty to me...
Having said all that, Terry, I still love you man!
Originally Posted by Lazz83
I also agree that more testing must be done on this intake- it would make sense that increased airflow would make more power- so I am unclear on how the numbers came up short?
The numbers did not came up short. Similar 1/4 mile and 60-130mph times in both 59F & 74F means it made more power.
2017 AMG C43, AWE Touring, BMC Air Filters- 2015 BMW X3 3.5i (JB1 Equipped)
Originally Posted by xX G Xx
^ That! So, I do believe the intake works.
Heat issue is only when the car is sitting in traffic with no fresh air coming in. BMS' design is basically the same. Both intakes suffers heat soak faster than stock when no fresh air comes thru. MST airbox does cool down once car gets moving. The box does not stay hot. It also does not stay cold/cool. LOL.
MST is made in Taiwan. Not China.
To be honest, BMS, your design suffers the same heat issue when the car is not moving. You, nor your customers that installed your intake, provided any relevant data that shows actual gains in HP or Dragy/Track times. Everyone is quiet except some butt dyno'ers. You were going to post some data after your 1/2 mile event that showed benefits of the intake but never did. (Unless I missed it.) You repeatedly said you have will have data but never posted anything. (Again, maybe I missed it?) Even after all that, I was ready to pull the trigger when you said you were going to fix the cone filter fitment issue. But till today, I'm still waiting. You should sell us more on how fast cars go with your intake, rather than keep pointing out flaws of competitor's. That just seem petty to me...
Having said all that, Terry, I still love you man!
The numbers did not came up short. Similar 1/4 mile and 60-130mph times in both 59F & 74F means it made more power.
2017 AMG C43, AWE Touring, BMC Air Filters- 2015 BMW X3 3.5i (JB1 Equipped)
Originally Posted by xX G Xx
^ That! So, I do believe the intake works.
Heat issue is only when the car is sitting in traffic with no fresh air coming in. BMS' design is basically the same. Both intakes suffers heat soak faster than stock when no fresh air comes thru. MST airbox does cool down once car gets moving. The box does not stay hot. It also does not stay cold/cool. LOL.
MST is made in Taiwan. Not China.
To be honest, BMS, your design suffers the same heat issue when the car is not moving. You, nor your customers that installed your intake, provided any relevant data that shows actual gains in HP or Dragy/Track times. Everyone is quiet except some butt dyno'ers. You were going to post some data after your 1/2 mile event that showed benefits of the intake but never did. (Unless I missed it.) You repeatedly said you have will have data but never posted anything. (Again, maybe I missed it?) Even after all that, I was ready to pull the trigger when you said you were going to fix the cone filter fitment issue. But till today, I'm still waiting. You should sell us more on how fast cars go with your intake, rather than keep pointing out flaws of competitor's. That just seem petty to me...
Having said all that, Terry, I still love you man!
The numbers did not came up short. Similar 1/4 mile and 60-130mph times in both 59F & 74F means it made more power.
I appreciate reading your feedback and your data collecting but from my standpoint no intake yet created for the C43 is Definitively viable or quantifiable in Dyno numbers at increasing horsepower, do to the heat soak issue. When these companies can start coming out with Data to back up claims- data that AFE, Apexi, K&N, Weapon R post with their products than I will be sold. I also own an 2016 X3 with the F55 motor and it has a similar configuration to the C43 with the air box mounted center of the engine. AFE make a great CAI for the F55 motor that gives solid HP & torque increases. So I don't believe it is difficult to fabricate a CAI for this motor that will work. Like others have said, aftermarket companies don't care about the C43 i.e. AWE in process of designing this intake and then scrapping the project due to lack of interest.
I also am skeptical that as you stated "this intake works" its not consistent and seems to have drawbacks, unless someone can post data on stock and MSC intake temps in traffic and on open road.
As stated I will we working on developing my own CAI from Carbon Fiber using custom dry filters.
As stated I will we working on developing my own CAI from Carbon Fiber using custom dry filters.
I thought you didn't like dry filters? But anyways, so you have the ability to lay your own carbon fiber work? That is impressive. So when can we expect this carbon fiber CAI from you?
Here is a IAT comparison for stock vs BMS that someone did a while back for y'alls reference.
Like I said earlier, if you are worried about heat soak in traffic, stick with stock. If you want/need more air flow for your tune, you now can chose from two great companies. Or even Lazz's carbon fiber CAI. Hope more options to come soon! I hear another legit company may be interested in developing....
A few other owners will be installing their MST really soon. Look forward to seeing more data and reviews.
I also installed intakes, I got a cel right away; P1191. I would be 3 quarters of the throttle in and the car wouldn’t down shift, performance was bad. I used a glue gun to simulate the goop concept from Eaze. The car feels tons better but I still have the same Cel. At this point I’m going to have to go back to stock to see if that eliminates the cel if not then we shall see!
I also installed intakes, I got a cel right away; P1191. I would be 3 quarters of the throttle in and the car wouldn’t down shift, performance was bad. I used a glue gun to simulate the goop concept from Eaze. The car feels tons better but I still have the same Cel. At this point I’m going to have to go back to stock to see if that eliminates the cel if not then we shall see!
You'll have to clear that code, it won't clear itself. You can get it to clear (but it will remain stored as a fault) by disconnecting the negative battery terminal for about 2 min, and then reconnecting it. I don't know if SCN is required to read and fully clear these out of memory on MBs but if so, find an independent dealer that will do it for you. If you don't, the dealer will see that fault stored as soon as they plug into the car.
04-13-2019, 03:23 AM
