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A cool new performance mod. These are not for sale yet. this is just a prototype. they will be in full production soon. I just got my hands on this one to test! I can get you guys a discount and we can even do a group buy once they are available just pm if interested. They are made by the well known Wagner tuning!
Main benefits is the added cooling of the charge air to keep those iats down, and much better air flow due to larger cooler and larger less restricted charge pipes.
Added bennefit: WMI nozzle bungs for optimal post intercooler pre iat/throttle body injection! I am still working on the WMI setup but intercooler is in and will have results later this week!
Well its about darn time. The Infiniti Q50/Q60 3.0 crowd have been enjoying this type of mod on their cars for a while now. Did Wagner maximize every square inch that they could find in there ? interested in the upgrade once its out, just want to know that they maxed out all the sapce to make it as big and free flowing as possible.
Also...I am assuming one has to remove the front bumper for install.
Definitely interested, please keep us posted with your thoughts and review.
will do. had to get the proper tools to fill coolant and make sure i dont have air locks and such.
Originally Posted by SilverBullet18
Well its about darn time. The Infiniti Q50/Q60 3.0 crowd have been enjoying this type of mod on their cars for a while now. Did Wagner maximize every square inch that they could find in there ? interested in the upgrade once its out, just want to know that they maxed out all the sapce to make it as big and free flowing as possible.
Also...I am assuming one has to remove the front bumper for install.
yes its packed in there. you could not get a larger core in. do you see how close it is to sub frame and fan? could not be any bigger. only thing we can do now is some how make a better low temps water cooler radiator but mercedes made it difficult by sandwiching our radiator in between the engine coolant radiator and the refrigerant chiller.
Originally Posted by BMS
Be sure to do a before/after 1/4 mile with IAT so we can see if it helps charge air temps!
yep. already have plenty before logs using jb4 and dragy times. will do a follow up soon!
Very interested in this item. With my Hellcat mods getting to the max for pump gas, time to focus on the wife’s C43. This and a CAI along with a new tune might appease my mod bugs for a short while.
Very interested in this item. With my Hellcat mods getting to the max for pump gas, time to focus on the wife’s C43. This and a CAI along with a new tune might appease my mod bugs for a short while.
You should run downpipes and tune first. You'll trap close to 118 on pump gas and the car will demonstrate "usable" power (as compared to the Monster WHP your Hellcat puts down coupled with Massive wheelspin on the street). Don't get offended, I'm not talking highway rolls, I'm saying stop light to stop light. 118 trap speeds and traction feels pretty quick on the street.
I'd imagine an intercooler, intake, downpipes, and tune will put these cars at 121-22 mph trap speeds on pump. With Race fuel I bet 125 would be doable (perhaps larger stock sized turbos could kiss 130 on race ; ) )
You should run downpipes and tune first. You'll trap close to 118 on pump gas and the car will demonstrate "usable" power (as compared to the Monster WHP your Hellcat puts down coupled with Massive wheelspin on the street). Don't get offended, I'm not talking highway rolls, I'm saying stop light to stop light. 118 trap speeds and traction feels pretty quick on the street.
I'd imagine an intercooler, intake, downpipes, and tune will put these cars at 121-22 mph trap speeds on pump. With Race fuel I bet 125 would be doable (perhaps larger stock sized turbos could kiss 130 on race ; ) )
Let's see, great thread OP
No offense taken, I know all about the perils of 850rwhp and rwd lol. Although, it’s not as bad as YouTube vids would have you believe. On 305 mps4s it will click off 3.5 0-60 and 1/4 mile of high tens @135-138 on the street all day (cold nights and roads are another story).
Wifes car currently has the OE tuning flash tune on it, and I’ve recorded 0-60 of 3.7, so not bad at all. We tested her car vs my Hellcat once. 0-30 the amg jumped out about a car, by 60 we are even, over 60 it was the old air show trick of look I’m a dot.
Also had a run in with a new Audi RS5 a few weeks ago in her car. We were dead nuts even from 60-130, then the little amg that could slowly inched ahead all the way 160. Surprised the hell out of me and the Audi driver lol.
Would love to turbo swap this thing, but hate being the test dummy. Not much going on as far upgrades for this platform. Thinking this upgrade and bms intake with a fresh tune might get those trap speeds closer to 120, which would be plenty for her purposes. Wish there were tuners local to me (sf Bay Area) who could do a custom dyno tune. Canned tunes always leave some power on the table.
No offense taken, I know all about the perils of 850rwhp and rwd lol. Although, it’s not as bad as YouTube vids would have you believe. On 305 mps4s it will click off 3.5 0-60 and 1/4 mile of high tens @135-138 on the street all day (cold nights and roads are another story).
Wifes car currently has the OE tuning flash tune on it, and I’ve recorded 0-60 of 3.7, so not bad at all. We tested her car vs my Hellcat once. 0-30 the amg jumped out about a car, by 60 we are even, over 60 it was the old air show trick of look I’m a dot.
Also had a run in with a new Audi RS5 a few weeks ago in her car. We were dead nuts even from 60-130, then the little amg that could slowly inched ahead all the way 160. Surprised the hell out of me and the Audi driver lol.
Would love to turbo swap this thing, but hate being the test dummy. Not much going on as far upgrades for this platform. Thinking this upgrade and bms intake with a fresh tune might get those trap speeds closer to 120, which would be plenty for her purposes. Wish there were tuners local to me (sf Bay Area) who could do a custom dyno tune. Canned tunes always leave some power on the table.
you upgraded the intercooler to downgrade the intakes? lol (mostly kidding)
looks good, about time for this type of mod.
lol. i feel you. ive wanted to avoid these intakes for a while, but a few of the guys in the tuning group running the fastest times are running these and I think the air volume they provide over stock outweighs the heat soak especially rolling. i am up in Michigan so i should have less of an issue. i am trying to get a few companies to make true cold air intakes for us.
lol. i feel you. ive wanted to avoid these intakes for a while, but a few of the guys in the tuning group running the fastest times are running these and I think the air volume they provide over stock outweighs the heat soak especially rolling. i am up in Michigan so i should have less of an issue. i am trying to get a few companies to make true cold air intakes for us.
I was thinking of going with the mst intake, but if you think you can have a company make a true cai I’d be down to buy and test out the beta, or go in on a group. Anyways if you think that’s the case I won’t purchase any intake for the time being.
i have done limited testing and logging. but so far, from the data logging i took multiple 0-150, 60-130, and 1/4 tests, on average i have gained about 2 psi of boost across the board. My starting IAT are much higher though. I am thinking the BMS intakes may be the issue. I amm swapping back to stock intakes with K&N filters to see if they will bring the IAT back to something reasonable. The good news is the intercooler on all the pulls held iat delta to 3-5 degrees at most increase which is impressive! It was allowing me to make and hold 20PSI in the upper gears with peaks up to 25. I currently only have a eurcharged canada stage 1 tune. no other mods besides intercooler and intakes. going back to stock intakes to see if things improve with starting IAT. my guess is that they will. Very impressed so far.
There is a limit to how much you can tune a FL, the potential is not as high as the PFL. If tuning for maximum power is something a C43 owner is looking to do, the PFL is a much better platform.
From ECU tune perspective, FL cannot reach 20psi. However, you can reach it with JB4.
There is a limit to how much you can tune a FL, the potential is not as high as the PFL. If tuning for maximum power is something a C43 owner is looking to do, the PFL is a much better platform.
From ECU tune perspective, FL cannot reach 20psi. However, you can reach it with JB4.
i have done limited testing and logging. but so far, from the data logging i took multiple 0-150, 60-130, and 1/4 tests, on average i have gained about 2 psi of boost across the board. My starting IAT are much higher though. I am thinking the BMS intakes may be the issue. I amm swapping back to stock intakes with K&N filters to see if they will bring the IAT back to something reasonable. The good news is the intercooler on all the pulls held iat delta to 3-5 degrees at most increase which is impressive! It was allowing me to make and hold 20PSI in the upper gears with peaks up to 25. I currently only have a eurcharged canada stage 1 tune. no other mods besides intercooler and intakes. going back to stock intakes to see if things improve with starting IAT. my guess is that they will. Very impressed so far.
Thanks for the update. Interesting as far as the starting IAT being higher. I've noticed mine will climb much faster if I'm in traffic or sitting still for longer than a minute or two but drop back down quickly. With consistent airflow, they are the same or slightly higher than stock temps. Definitely not "much" higher though as you describe, so hopefully it's not the IC.
Any testing so far on the WMI? Still wondering/concerned about nozzle placement in regards to the IAT sensor. With WMI IAT are going to be less less of an issue and flow/boost drop will be more important, which your prelim testing looks promising!
Thanks again for taking this project on for all our benefit!
There is a limit to how much you can tune a FL, the potential is not as high as the PFL. If tuning for maximum power is something a C43 owner is looking to do, the PFL is a much better platform.
From ECU tune perspective, FL cannot reach 20psi. However, you can reach it with JB4.
Excuse my ignorance but what is an FL and a PFL platform?
Thanks in advance!
Excuse my ignorance but what is an FL and a PFL platform?
Thanks in advance!
The C43 platform underwent a facelift (FL) in 2018. PFL stands for Pre-FaceLift, and refers to C43s that were produced before a certain point in 2018. FL stands for FaceLift and refers to those produced thereafter.
Thanks for the update. Interesting as far as the starting IAT being higher. I've noticed mine will climb much faster if I'm in traffic or sitting still for longer than a minute or two but drop back down quickly. With consistent airflow, they are the same or slightly higher than stock temps. Definitely not "much" higher though as you describe, so hopefully it's not the IC.
Any testing so far on the WMI? Still wondering/concerned about nozzle placement in regards to the IAT sensor. With WMI IAT are going to be less less of an issue and flow/boost drop will be more important, which your prelim testing looks promising!
Thanks again for taking this project on for all our benefit!
for me this will still be a little while out. Trying to do one mod at a time and measure the difference. idk if i will see wmi in here for a few months.
05-26-2020, 12:22 PM
