KLEEMANN Tune First Impressions
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C63 AMG(sold), 2009 CL550, 2010 S550 Majestic Black, 2010 ML550, 2006 C230, 2009 Venza
Can't wait to see the dyno sheet.
Did you do a baseline, Soldier? If yes, what type of dyno was it done on?
Did you do a baseline, Soldier? If yes, what type of dyno was it done on?
also new MPG record= 6.6 MPG today i should off had taken a pic of that!!!
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'09 C63 AMG
Obviously, that was during your new "tune testing," but seriously...does the Kleemann ecu flash tune reduce your mpg (even if you're just cruising around without really stomping on it
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I remember reading somewhere people were noticing ~+2mpg. Not sure if this was K1 or K2.
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So here are a couple questions for those K1 tuned C63 guys...
I've seen a few dynos, but I'm still a bit confused. How much WHP (or BHP) does just the Kleemann K1 ECU Flash really provide?
The Kleemann Web site says "up to 535HP / 481 lb-ft TQ"...what does that mean? What's the real deal with just the $1,495 K1 flash?
And, why does RENNTech offer the C63 ECU Flash (ecu upgrade 1) which "only" provides +24BHP (475HP) / +22 lb-ft TQ (465 lb-ft TQ) for $2,495?![nix](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/nixweiss.gif)
Why is there such an apparent difference between the two C63 ECU Flashes or are they really similar in power increase?
I've seen a few dynos, but I'm still a bit confused. How much WHP (or BHP) does just the Kleemann K1 ECU Flash really provide?
![nix](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/nixweiss.gif)
And, why does RENNTech offer the C63 ECU Flash (ecu upgrade 1) which "only" provides +24BHP (475HP) / +22 lb-ft TQ (465 lb-ft TQ) for $2,495?
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Why is there such an apparent difference between the two C63 ECU Flashes or are they really similar in power increase?
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I don't think after the tunning, we are getting 530HP, I estimate 500hp max. I don't have my dyno to prove that, but from some other dynos they put down around 390-400 whp at 5th gear, consider 82% transmission efficiency, thats around 480-490 crank hp
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+1 in my experience.
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I think several people have stated that they got about 50 hp from K1. I don't think anyone really expects +80 hp from just ECU tune. I think K2 would yield around 530.
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So here are a couple questions for those K1 tuned C63 guys...
I've seen a few dynos, but I'm still a bit confused. How much WHP (or BHP) does just the Kleemann K1 ECU Flash really provide?
The Kleemann Web site says "up to 535HP / 481 lb-ft TQ"...what does that mean? What's the real deal with just the $1,495 K1 flash?
And, why does RENNTech offer the C63 ECU Flash (ecu upgrade 1) which "only" provides +24BHP (475HP) / +22 lb-ft TQ (465 lb-ft TQ) for $2,495?![nix](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/nixweiss.gif)
Why is there such an apparent difference between the two C63 ECU Flashes or are they really similar in power increase?![nix](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/nixweiss.gif)
I've seen a few dynos, but I'm still a bit confused. How much WHP (or BHP) does just the Kleemann K1 ECU Flash really provide?
![nix](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/nixweiss.gif)
And, why does RENNTech offer the C63 ECU Flash (ecu upgrade 1) which "only" provides +24BHP (475HP) / +22 lb-ft TQ (465 lb-ft TQ) for $2,495?
![nix](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/nixweiss.gif)
Why is there such an apparent difference between the two C63 ECU Flashes or are they really similar in power increase?
![nix](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/nixweiss.gif)
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With just the K1 (ECU flash upgrade) is there really a noticeble seat of the pants increase in acceleration or is the increase only felt at the top range of RPM? In other words do you feel any noticealbe low end torque improvement?
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BTW-When is your car being delivered? There is another person from Vegas (Vegas_AMG) having his car delivered as well. He couldn't strike a deal with Fletcher Jones here. I just spoke with James @ ACGSD, and he says he comes up to Vegas quite often and can load the Klemmann tune for us without having to ship out our ECUs. I'm planning to have it done during SEMA week.
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Some stated it increases the bottom end as well. I read something that you now need to "tip" the throttle to go otherwise you will burn out.
BTW-When is your car being delivered? There is another person from Vegas (Vegas_AMG) having his car delivered as well. He couldn't strike a deal with Fletcher Jones here. I just spoke with James @ ACGSD, and he says he comes up to Vegas quite often and can load the Klemmann tune for us without having to ship out our ECUs. I'm planning to have it done during SEMA week.
BTW-When is your car being delivered? There is another person from Vegas (Vegas_AMG) having his car delivered as well. He couldn't strike a deal with Fletcher Jones here. I just spoke with James @ ACGSD, and he says he comes up to Vegas quite often and can load the Klemmann tune for us without having to ship out our ECUs. I'm planning to have it done during SEMA week.
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Some stated it increases the bottom end as well. I read something that you now need to "tip" the throttle to go otherwise you will burn out.
BTW-When is your car being delivered? There is another person from Vegas (Vegas_AMG) having his car delivered as well. He couldn't strike a deal with Fletcher Jones here. I just spoke with James @ ACGSD, and he says he comes up to Vegas quite often and can load the Klemmann tune for us without having to ship out our ECUs. I'm planning to have it done during SEMA week.
BTW-When is your car being delivered? There is another person from Vegas (Vegas_AMG) having his car delivered as well. He couldn't strike a deal with Fletcher Jones here. I just spoke with James @ ACGSD, and he says he comes up to Vegas quite often and can load the Klemmann tune for us without having to ship out our ECUs. I'm planning to have it done during SEMA week.
So you do notice a low end difference? I would like to see a before and after torque curve if anyone has dynoed there K1 moded car yet. That would give some good feed back.
I just signed the paperwork yesterday. It's supposed to be picked up this week so hopefully next week it arrives.
Ya, Fletcher Jones is full of crap as usual. Unfortunately have to use them for servicing the car though. Did Vegas_AMG get his at South Bay too?
Regarding the K1 mod I think I would be in as well. Maybe he can cut us a better deal if 2 or 3 of us do it. Althoug I would still like to see a dyno on it especially with regard to low end. Not going to be going 100+mph around Vegas that often....
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Last time I checked, Renntech offered 2 levels of ecu tune priced at $2495 and $3495 respectively. The second tune was very comparable with Kleemann's claims.
Remember that most of these adds contain the two magic words: Up To
By the way I may have a set of barely used Kleemann headers/downpipes/cats for sale soon.
Remember that most of these adds contain the two magic words: Up To
By the way I may have a set of barely used Kleemann headers/downpipes/cats for sale soon.
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Dyno results show power for a static gear usually 4 or 5 The power gains are in the upper rpm range which you will certainly blow through in the lower gears under WOT. The C63 gains huge amounts of usable power from just the tune primarily by undoing what MB did to keep the C at the low end of the totem pole.
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Last time I checked, Renntech offered 2 levels of ecu tune priced at $2495 and $3495 respectively. The second tune was very comparable with Kleemann's claims.
Remember that most of these adds contain the two magic words: Up To
By the way I may have a set of barely used Kleemann headers/downpipes/cats for sale soon.![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Remember that most of these adds contain the two magic words: Up To
By the way I may have a set of barely used Kleemann headers/downpipes/cats for sale soon.
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Hey, also...you're in Central FL...any local tuners offer the Kleemann ecu flash at their shop (instead of shipping the ecu to Kleemann USA in CO)?
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Last time I checked, Renntech offered 2 levels of ecu tune priced at $2495 and $3495 respectively. The second tune was very comparable with Kleemann's claims.
Remember that most of these adds contain the two magic words: Up To
By the way I may have a set of barely used Kleemann headers/downpipes/cats for sale soon.![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Remember that most of these adds contain the two magic words: Up To
By the way I may have a set of barely used Kleemann headers/downpipes/cats for sale soon.
![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Your reason for selling them? PM me price.