Engine for next C63
03-12-2012, 10:20 AM
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Hi Guys, With the new C Class expected late next year as possibly a 2014 model, we can also start to think about the choice of engine for the next C63. Most people expect some form of turbo charge engine, but I am really hoping that AMG stick to a naturally aspirated engine, maybe the new 5.5 n/a in the new SLK AMG. What do you guys think on the possible engine choice for the next C63? We all know the benefits of turbo as it relates to fuel economy, but there is no sound that can compare to a n/a V8!
03-12-2012, 10:50 AM
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Probably not going to happen...FI seems to be the way of the future for AMG...and that's better for us given the tunability of the 5.5l bi-turbo!
03-12-2012, 11:27 AM
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I can't see how it won't be a FI motor. Would be a huge downgrade to go to a NA 5.5 when the previous model had a 6.2L motor. To get the performance out of it they would need to make the car lighter and rev higher. That's a BMW thing, not a mercedes thing.
Given that AMG has gone FI for its larger models I think it's logical that they'll follow suit with their version of the C-class. With the new M3 being FI mercedes will have their work cut out for them as they likely won't have their 'ace in the hole' torque advantage that they have used to attract customers for years.
Given that AMG has gone FI for its larger models I think it's logical that they'll follow suit with their version of the C-class. With the new M3 being FI mercedes will have their work cut out for them as they likely won't have their 'ace in the hole' torque advantage that they have used to attract customers for years.
03-12-2012, 01:59 PM
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See, this is what I don't understand -- the current 5.5 NA in the SLK produces 415 HP and the current C63 produces either 451 or 481 with the performance package -- so, if they use the 5.5 in the next C AMG it would have to be tuned upwards to approach the current figures (meaning there is a lot left on the table for that engine) or the next C would have to be considerably lighter with a better transmission than the current generation -- both of which I don't see happening....
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I am willing to bet anyone that it will be the N/A 5.5. Output could be arround 450 hp, and with a lighter car, and new transmission, performance will be improved. For me, this is not a bad thing, as turbos just does not sound as sweet as N/A, and this 5.5 with cylinder deactivation seem to produce some rediculously good fuel economy numbers.
03-12-2012, 07:05 PM
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Give me a DCT and this car is near perfect.
03-12-2012, 07:23 PM
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The 2014 M3 is rumored to be a turbo'd 6 cylinder producing upwards of 430 HP. Believe that AMG is aware of this and will be installing a motor into the new C63 of equal or greater power.
The new 5.5 N/A motor produces around 360 HP, not going to compete with the new M3 unless the C63 goes on a SERIOUS diet. We all know light weight is not what AMG is known for.
If I had to bet I would bet on a de-tuned 5.5 turbo. Look at what they did with the 63 motor. This would be ideal for all of the new C63 owners as a tune and a couple bolt ons would add 100+ HP
The new 5.5 N/A motor produces around 360 HP, not going to compete with the new M3 unless the C63 goes on a SERIOUS diet. We all know light weight is not what AMG is known for.
If I had to bet I would bet on a de-tuned 5.5 turbo. Look at what they did with the 63 motor. This would be ideal for all of the new C63 owners as a tune and a couple bolt ons would add 100+ HP
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The 2014 M3 is rumored to be a turbo'd 6 cylinder producing upwards of 430 HP. Believe that AMG is aware of this and will be installing a motor into the new C63 of equal or greater power.
The new 5.5 N/A motor produces around 360 HP, not going to compete with the new M3 unless the C63 goes on a SERIOUS diet. We all know light weight is not what AMG is known for.
If I had to bet I would bet on a de-tuned 5.5 turbo. Look at what they did with the 63 motor. This would be ideal for all of the new C63 owners as a tune and a couple bolt ons would add 100+ HP
The new 5.5 N/A motor produces around 360 HP, not going to compete with the new M3 unless the C63 goes on a SERIOUS diet. We all know light weight is not what AMG is known for.
If I had to bet I would bet on a de-tuned 5.5 turbo. Look at what they did with the 63 motor. This would be ideal for all of the new C63 owners as a tune and a couple bolt ons would add 100+ HP
03-12-2012, 09:12 PM
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You are incorrect, the 5.5 N/A makes 415 hp in the SLK, not 360. I am pretty sure this engine is also for the C63. Ford get 444 hp from a N/A 5.0 V8 in the boss and 415 in the regular mustang GT. Amg can easily get 450 hp from this new 5.5 N/A engine, and with a lighter car, and an improved transmission, the performance will be better than the current car.
03-12-2012, 09:26 PM
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Getting another 40-60 hp from the 5.5 NA wouldn't be hard with the right exhaust and intake. Combined with a diet of 200lbs or so.. The C63 would be leaving the current one behind...
Only problem I see. Is how are they going to do a Black series out of the 5.5NA... Be hard to push it up over 500hp... without making it a high revving V8 much like BMW used to do.
Only problem I see. Is how are they going to do a Black series out of the 5.5NA... Be hard to push it up over 500hp... without making it a high revving V8 much like BMW used to do.
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Getting another 40-60 hp from the 5.5 NA wouldn't be hard with the right exhaust and intake. Combined with a diet of 200lbs or so.. The C63 would be leaving the current one behind...
Only problem I see. Is how are they going to do a Black series out of the 5.5NA... Be hard to push it up over 500hp... without making it a high revving V8 much like BMW used to do.
Only problem I see. Is how are they going to do a Black series out of the 5.5NA... Be hard to push it up over 500hp... without making it a high revving V8 much like BMW used to do.
I just don't see AMG using this newly developed masterpiece of an engine (the n/a 5.5) only in the SLK, it just seems so perfect for the C Class, especially with the sound, power and fuel economy. I also don't see AMG using the 5.5 twin turbo in any car with less than 500 hp.
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+1 that's the way AMG history has been working so far. they put the new engines in their large sedans first, then into the smaller car. that's been the case for the c55 (S55 when it first came out) and the c63 (s63 and E63 when they came out for 2007) so my money is on the m157 in the next C63.
03-13-2012, 01:09 AM
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+1 that's the way AMG history has been working so far. they put the new engines in their large sedans first, then into the smaller car. that's been the case for the c55 (S55 when it first came out) and the c63 (s63 and E63 when they came out for 2007) so my money is on the m157 in the next C63.
