2015 C63 Youtube Video
08-07-2014, 06:09 AM
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C63 P31 Coupe 13'
Dayum. They look really fast! I believe the noise isn't bad, I still can hear a bit from the video. I bet in real this engine also produces a lot of noise, but for sure not as much as our 6.2L naturally aspirated engines. To me, I am getting used to the exterior. My heart is still beating for the coupe results when it comes out :P Whereas interior, as from earlier pics, it sucks. IMO, people might need to stop thinking about the noise for now, a lot have been improved with this new generation of C-Class AMG. I am sure that this noise can be made louder some how later, companies such as Renntech and Brabus are starving to put their hands on these cars just to modify them and earn a lot of money by satisfying their customer's demands.
08-07-2014, 07:50 AM
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@46 seconds. At least we know it still makes the signature bark upon up-shifts that at least I find absolutely amazing. That thing also looks like it's over steering a ton!
08-07-2014, 09:44 AM
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The DCT upshifts are pretty damn quick to get that sound.
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THATS GOOD IN HUMANITY! MB N. AMERICA BRING THE DAMN W205 C63 ESTATE OVER HERE!
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THATS GOOD IN HUMANITY! MB N. AMERICA BRING THE DAMN W205 C63 ESTATE OVER HERE!
08-07-2014, 10:17 AM
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08-07-2014, 10:43 AM
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08-07-2014, 07:30 PM
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Pretty all get them in the US
My RS4 did not have one but was imported by Audi USA
Out of 2500 in NA only 50 or so had them deleted and most were mfg cars
A guy has a full database
Mine was 1 of 1 or 2
Imola yellow
No sunroof
No lux package
08-07-2014, 07:34 PM
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They are an option in most markets
Pretty all get them in the US
My RS4 did not have one but was imported by Audi USA
Out of 2500 in NA only 50 or so had them deleted and most were mfg cars
A guy has a full database
Mine was 1 of 1 or 2
Imola yellow
No sunroof
No lux package
Pretty all get them in the US
My RS4 did not have one but was imported by Audi USA
Out of 2500 in NA only 50 or so had them deleted and most were mfg cars
A guy has a full database
Mine was 1 of 1 or 2
Imola yellow
No sunroof
No lux package
08-07-2014, 07:43 PM
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Here's the rs4 registry
Note there are 2 excel type tabs
1953 cars
Only 27 3fa sunroof delete
http://www.stahmann-motorsports.com/...4_VIN_List.htm
Be great to have something like this for the c63
He mudt have had help from Audi to compile
It makes the car light up high
More solid, less flex/rattle
Imo looks better without it especially for light colors
Note there are 2 excel type tabs
1953 cars
Only 27 3fa sunroof delete
http://www.stahmann-motorsports.com/...4_VIN_List.htm
Be great to have something like this for the c63
He mudt have had help from Audi to compile
It makes the car light up high
More solid, less flex/rattle
Imo looks better without it especially for light colors
08-07-2014, 07:49 PM
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Here's the rs4 registry
Note there are 2 excel type tabs
1953 cars
Only 27 3fa sunroof delete
http://www.stahmann-motorsports.com/...4_VIN_List.htm
Be great to have something like this for the c63
He mudt have had help from Audi to compile
It makes the car light up high
More solid, less flex/rattle
Imo looks better without it especially for light colors
Note there are 2 excel type tabs
1953 cars
Only 27 3fa sunroof delete
http://www.stahmann-motorsports.com/...4_VIN_List.htm
Be great to have something like this for the c63
He mudt have had help from Audi to compile
It makes the car light up high
More solid, less flex/rattle
Imo looks better without it especially for light colors
08-07-2014, 08:42 PM
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C63 AMG 507 Edition
Let's not kid ourselves, the brilliant exhaust note is one of AMG's signatures. Lose that and the large displacement v8 and it starts to lose some of the key things that make it special. I'm just not sure what is going to make this car stand out against the competition. Is the w204 c63 going to be what the B7 rs4 was for Audi (an awesome unique thing which the company has struggled to surpass)?
08-07-2014, 08:51 PM
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I think the w205 is a better design compromise than the new m3/4
IMHO BMW went too small of displacement and low compression ratio
Now they must rely on boost even under light loading such as highway hills when on cruise control
The w205 is 1/3 larger, a v8, and 3% higher comp ratio
This means it will have 37% more 'natural' or non-boost torque
Thus making the engine more linear and responsive
You will have 4 power strokes per rev,
(Vs 3), smoother delivery and should sound better
You also have 4 vs 3 exhaust pulse/rpm, smoother turbo operation
This can be offset somewhat by increasing rpm but you would need to increase it by a third...and the internal stresses increase by the square of the speed or over 75%!
With the AMG at 4500 the M would need to be 6000
The V also allows better turbo packaging, especially when nestled in the V
The I6 will be overall a bit smoother/better balanced
Should rev a bit higher also
They can use 15% less boost and get 470 lb-ft
Or 37% less and equal the M's torque
The only downside is lower efficiency or mpg
Time will tell
IMHO BMW went too small of displacement and low compression ratio
Now they must rely on boost even under light loading such as highway hills when on cruise control
The w205 is 1/3 larger, a v8, and 3% higher comp ratio
This means it will have 37% more 'natural' or non-boost torque
Thus making the engine more linear and responsive
You will have 4 power strokes per rev,
(Vs 3), smoother delivery and should sound better
You also have 4 vs 3 exhaust pulse/rpm, smoother turbo operation
This can be offset somewhat by increasing rpm but you would need to increase it by a third...and the internal stresses increase by the square of the speed or over 75%!
With the AMG at 4500 the M would need to be 6000
The V also allows better turbo packaging, especially when nestled in the V
The I6 will be overall a bit smoother/better balanced
Should rev a bit higher also
They can use 15% less boost and get 470 lb-ft
Or 37% less and equal the M's torque
The only downside is lower efficiency or mpg
Time will tell
Last edited by Ingenieur; 08-07-2014 at 09:33 PM.
08-07-2014, 10:20 PM
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I think the w205 is a better design compromise than the new m3/4
IMHO BMW went too small of displacement and low compression ratio
Now they must rely on boost even under light loading such as highway hills when on cruise control
The w205 is 1/3 larger, a v8, and 3% higher comp ratio
This means it will have 37% more 'natural' or non-boost torque
Thus making the engine more linear and responsive
You will have 4 power strokes per rev,
(Vs 3), smoother delivery and should sound better
You also have 4 vs 3 exhaust pulse/rpm, smoother turbo operation
This can be offset somewhat by increasing rpm but you would need to increase it by a third...and the internal stresses increase by the square of the speed or over 75%!
With the AMG at 4500 the M would need to be 6000
The V also allows better turbo packaging, especially when nestled in the V
The I6 will be overall a bit smoother/better balanced
Should rev a bit higher also
They can use 15% less boost and get 470 lb-ft
Or 37% less and equal the M's torque
The only downside is lower efficiency or mpg
Time will tell
IMHO BMW went too small of displacement and low compression ratio
Now they must rely on boost even under light loading such as highway hills when on cruise control
The w205 is 1/3 larger, a v8, and 3% higher comp ratio
This means it will have 37% more 'natural' or non-boost torque
Thus making the engine more linear and responsive
You will have 4 power strokes per rev,
(Vs 3), smoother delivery and should sound better
You also have 4 vs 3 exhaust pulse/rpm, smoother turbo operation
This can be offset somewhat by increasing rpm but you would need to increase it by a third...and the internal stresses increase by the square of the speed or over 75%!
With the AMG at 4500 the M would need to be 6000
The V also allows better turbo packaging, especially when nestled in the V
The I6 will be overall a bit smoother/better balanced
Should rev a bit higher also
They can use 15% less boost and get 470 lb-ft
Or 37% less and equal the M's torque
The only downside is lower efficiency or mpg
Time will tell
Just curious. If not, I highly recommend it (just for fun).
I am a fan of both brands (M and AMG) and was blown away by the new M4. The M4 far exceeded my expectations.
The latest version of the DCT transmission is infinitely better than the MCT, particularly in M mode. It's not even close, unfortunately. When you grab a shift with the paddles, it is THERE. No disobeying commands, no gear hunting.
The amount of torque available early in the rev range is also phenomenal. The traction control light was constantly flickering, even with the first stage of TC disabled. The standard brakes are amazing (linear, progressive pedal feel; tons of bite; obviously no fade during either of my two test drives).
The suspension is very well-sorted and the steering is firm/heavy and precise. The C63's steering is a bit more communicative (probably due to the hydraulic setup). The M4's steering wheel is also lovely - thick and soft with plenty of thumb bolstering just above 9 and 3
I can't say enough good things about the M4.
The only knock on the car is the sound but after I heard the car in person, I wasn't worried about that aspect anymore (it actually sounded very aggressive; more like a high-strung motorsport car than a muscle car).
08-08-2014, 09:09 AM
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I've owned 3 M3's
And recently drove a new M3 (not 4) for 25 minutes
They actually let me take it alone with my wife.
Not enough time to really evaluate but I was not really impressed
Don't get me wrong, fine car but a bit underwhelming and devoid of emotional content...I prefered the e46 and my AMG.
The M3 has lost its soul imo, too heavy and low rev'ing
But they will sell a ton just by word of mouth, branding and reputation
People confuse hating with objectivity.
The car is a handler, if that is what I wanted I prefer it over a 911, much more practical. But for a daily driver, loping and trundling along in traffic at 1500 rpm I prefer the AMG or something like an S6.
I enjoyed my e30, e36 and e46 but have moved on, that is not a judgement of those who still prefer that type of car but a statement of personal preference.
I stll stand by the M engine design compromise vs the AMG C63
I think the AMG guys made better decisions, in my 'professional opinion' lol
And recently drove a new M3 (not 4) for 25 minutes
They actually let me take it alone with my wife.
Not enough time to really evaluate but I was not really impressed
Don't get me wrong, fine car but a bit underwhelming and devoid of emotional content...I prefered the e46 and my AMG.
The M3 has lost its soul imo, too heavy and low rev'ing
But they will sell a ton just by word of mouth, branding and reputation
People confuse hating with objectivity.
The car is a handler, if that is what I wanted I prefer it over a 911, much more practical. But for a daily driver, loping and trundling along in traffic at 1500 rpm I prefer the AMG or something like an S6.
I enjoyed my e30, e36 and e46 but have moved on, that is not a judgement of those who still prefer that type of car but a statement of personal preference.
I stll stand by the M engine design compromise vs the AMG C63
I think the AMG guys made better decisions, in my 'professional opinion' lol
Have you driven the new F80/F82 M3/M4?
Just curious. If not, I highly recommend it (just for fun).
I am a fan of both brands (M and AMG) and was blown away by the new M4. The M4 far exceeded my expectations.
The latest version of the DCT transmission is infinitely better than the MCT, particularly in M mode. It's not even close, unfortunately. When you grab a shift with the paddles, it is THERE. No disobeying commands, no gear hunting.
The amount of torque available early in the rev range is also phenomenal. The traction control light was constantly flickering, even with the first stage of TC disabled. The standard brakes are amazing (linear, progressive pedal feel; tons of bite; obviously no fade during either of my two test drives).
The suspension is very well-sorted and the steering is firm/heavy and precise. The C63's steering is a bit more communicative (probably due to the hydraulic setup). The M4's steering wheel is also lovely - thick and soft with plenty of thumb bolstering just above 9 and 3
I can't say enough good things about the M4.
The only knock on the car is the sound but after I heard the car in person, I wasn't worried about that aspect anymore (it actually sounded very aggressive; more like a high-strung motorsport car than a muscle car).
Just curious. If not, I highly recommend it (just for fun).
I am a fan of both brands (M and AMG) and was blown away by the new M4. The M4 far exceeded my expectations.
The latest version of the DCT transmission is infinitely better than the MCT, particularly in M mode. It's not even close, unfortunately. When you grab a shift with the paddles, it is THERE. No disobeying commands, no gear hunting.
The amount of torque available early in the rev range is also phenomenal. The traction control light was constantly flickering, even with the first stage of TC disabled. The standard brakes are amazing (linear, progressive pedal feel; tons of bite; obviously no fade during either of my two test drives).
The suspension is very well-sorted and the steering is firm/heavy and precise. The C63's steering is a bit more communicative (probably due to the hydraulic setup). The M4's steering wheel is also lovely - thick and soft with plenty of thumb bolstering just above 9 and 3
I can't say enough good things about the M4.
The only knock on the car is the sound but after I heard the car in person, I wasn't worried about that aspect anymore (it actually sounded very aggressive; more like a high-strung motorsport car than a muscle car).
08-08-2014, 04:25 PM
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I've owned 3 M3's
And recently drove a new M3 (not 4) for 25 minutes
They actually let me take it alone with my wife.
Not enough time to really evaluate but I was not really impressed
Don't get me wrong, fine car but a bit underwhelming and devoid of emotional content...I prefered the e46 and my AMG.
The M3 has lost its soul imo, too heavy and low rev'ing
But they will sell a ton just by word of mouth, branding and reputation
People confuse hating with objectivity.
The car is a handler, if that is what I wanted I prefer it over a 911, much more practical. But for a daily driver, loping and trundling along in traffic at 1500 rpm I prefer the AMG or something like an S6.
I enjoyed my e30, e36 and e46 but have moved on, that is not a judgement of those who still prefer that type of car but a statement of personal preference.
I stll stand by the M engine design compromise vs the AMG C63
I think the AMG guys made better decisions, in my 'professional opinion' lol
And recently drove a new M3 (not 4) for 25 minutes
They actually let me take it alone with my wife.
Not enough time to really evaluate but I was not really impressed
Don't get me wrong, fine car but a bit underwhelming and devoid of emotional content...I prefered the e46 and my AMG.
The M3 has lost its soul imo, too heavy and low rev'ing
But they will sell a ton just by word of mouth, branding and reputation
People confuse hating with objectivity.
The car is a handler, if that is what I wanted I prefer it over a 911, much more practical. But for a daily driver, loping and trundling along in traffic at 1500 rpm I prefer the AMG or something like an S6.
I enjoyed my e30, e36 and e46 but have moved on, that is not a judgement of those who still prefer that type of car but a statement of personal preference.
I stll stand by the M engine design compromise vs the AMG C63
I think the AMG guys made better decisions, in my 'professional opinion' lol
I'm just really surprised it left you underwhelmed, especially considering your past M ownership. I just read a review in which they pitted the new F80/F82 against an E30 M3 racing car and the professional shoes adored the new M. I have quite a bit of seat time in both the E90 M3 and the E92 M3 and I feel that the F80/F82 is a much better, more well-rounded car than the E9X.
Here is that Road & Track article I mentioned: http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1018373
The F80 is lighter than the E9X M3 and quite a bit lighter than the C63. It definitely felt lighter than both of those cars to me. Most of the F80s are weighing in at 3,500-3,550 lbs (by today's standards, that is fairly light).
In my opinion, the problem with the E9X was that it was sorely lacking usable torque (only around 250-60 lb-ft at the wheels, max). You really had to rev that NA 4.0L V8 sky high to have fun in daily driving situations.
Out of curiosity, which settings did you have the car in (steering, throttle/transmission, and suspension)? Was it a 6MT or DCT?
Last edited by zibby43; 08-08-2014 at 04:32 PM.
08-08-2014, 05:00 PM
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DCT
not sure of what mode
Didn't mess around with it but it was auto
And did not shift agressively though
It felt like it tram lined, darted around in the ruts
Poor directional stability
Dull turn in, the fronts are too wide
Too much continuous input required
I also thought the throttle was mushy but that may be the setting
I read the same article (and all the others)
12.3 / 114.9
23.3 to 150
Both slower than a base C63 tested in 2007
If I were in the market for a sports coupe like the M or 911 it would be on the list
I want a more relaxed experience now
The sound was better than expected but I would not call it good
But the AMG sets a high bar in that regard
not sure of what mode
Didn't mess around with it but it was auto
And did not shift agressively though
It felt like it tram lined, darted around in the ruts
Poor directional stability
Dull turn in, the fronts are too wide
Too much continuous input required
I also thought the throttle was mushy but that may be the setting
I read the same article (and all the others)
12.3 / 114.9
23.3 to 150
Both slower than a base C63 tested in 2007
If I were in the market for a sports coupe like the M or 911 it would be on the list
I want a more relaxed experience now
The sound was better than expected but I would not call it good
But the AMG sets a high bar in that regard
