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RacingBrake 12-05-2014 11:51 PM

Black Series brakes on C63
 
Black series has the following brake set up:

Front: 390x36mm
Rear: 360x26mm (drum size = 180mm)

C63:

Front: 360x36
Rear: 330x26 (drum size = 165mm)

As you can see the black series has much more brakes than C63 while the complete brake kit can be highly expensive, so we are thinking to develop an upgrade brake kits for C63 using B-S rotors which we already make at fraction of what a caliper brake kit can cost.

Black Series two piece rotor:

Front 390x36:http://www.racingbrake.com/Two-piece...ONT-p/2237.htm

Rear 360x26 https://www.racingbrake.com/RB-2pc-R...E63-p/2357.htm

Advantage:
  • Very affordable
  • Retain stock calipers
  • Use same stock pads
  • Lower initial purchase and maintenance cost

Would like to know if this BBK upgrade would be of interest to you.

Thank you.

H20 MRV 12-06-2014 04:34 AM

Yes I am interested, does this come with spacers and bolts to make the caliper's fit the bigger disc's ? And will these fit under 19 inch wheels?

C63TSgt 12-06-2014 07:31 AM

As long as it is a direct bolt-on kit with everything included, yes.

RacingBrake 12-06-2014 07:56 AM

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Attachment 375810

The calipers on top; On lift is C63 and on right is B-S. As you can see the caliper is the same and the only difference is the height of adaptor which we will design and make a same adaptor for C63 to fit bigger rotor.

The rear caliper (bottom) is the same for both C63 and B-S with direct mount to OE spindles, we will have to design an adaptor to bridge the caliper up (same idea as the front) for the bigger rotor, like our offer for VW/Audi rear BBK here:

http://www.racingbrake.com/Two-piece...-Re-p/2172.htm

We have spindles and OE calipers in house, with extensive experience in developing OE caliper BBK
so yes they will be "bolt on" installation.

As far as your wheel is the same size as stock B-S (19") they shall fit.

RacingBrake 12-06-2014 08:31 AM

Another major advantage of this upgrade is the weight saving:

Front OE one piece rotor is one of the heaviest rotors in any class - a whopping 36 lbs, but when you upgrade to B-S BBK, even it's 30mm (390mm) larger in diameter yet weighs only 28 lbs, so you can save 8 lbs per rotor.

The rear OE one piece is 21.5 lbs (330x26), and our rear two piece (380x28) "larger and thicker" is estimated @22 lbs.

Similar upgrade light weight two piece rotors for ML63 offered by RB:

World's First: RacingBrake 2-Piece Brake Rotors ...

Learn how the rotating weight saving can save you gas and maintenance cost:

The Ultimate Rotating & Unspring Mass Reduction Thread ...

H20 MRV 12-06-2014 08:49 AM

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Another question or two


" As far as your wheel is the same size as stock B-S (19") they shall fit "


Does this mean I will have to use BS wheels? what about std 19s or in my case HRES?
ff01 8.5 19 x et 47
ff01 9.5 19 x et 45


Also can I use MY callipers?


Attachment 375809

RacingBrake 12-06-2014 09:50 PM

Basically the BBK only move calipers up towards the wheels for the bigger rotors while you can re-use your calipers & pads (front and rear) - Save a lot of money, and if you have 19" wheels they should fit.

Henrychung828 12-07-2014 12:47 AM

Can we buy the stock adapter for black series from dealer?

Wobble64 12-07-2014 11:20 AM

Just in case folks did not think about it: If you are using 18 inch rims for winter tires, this will not work. I am driving that setup and the 507 brakes barely clear the inner rim diameter. The stock brakes were obviously designed with 18 inch rims in mind - and that flexibility was given up with the BS.

RacingBrake 12-08-2014 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by Henrychung828 (Post 6255318)
Can we buy the stock adapter for black series from dealer?

May be they are only sold with caliper kit only but you can check with dealers about the availability.


Originally Posted by Wobble64 (Post 6255534)
Just in case folks did not think about it: If you are using 18 inch rims for winter tires, this will not work. I am driving that setup and the 507 brakes barely clear the inner rim diameter. The stock brakes were obviously designed with 18 inch rims in mind - and that flexibility was given up with the BS.

That's true. For 390mm rotor kit you will need 19" wheels, while 360mm can fit under 18".

SCAMG13 12-09-2014 04:49 AM

Definitely interested.

mr747 12-09-2014 06:07 AM

I'm interested when the time comes

H20 MRV 12-09-2014 07:06 AM

I can live without 18s as I could do with a bit bigger brakes on the front at least : )

Henrychung828 12-09-2014 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by RacingBrake (Post 6256356)
May be they are only sold with caliper kit only but you can check with dealers about the availability. That's true. For 390mm rotor kit you will need 19" wheels, while 360mm can fit under 18".

Anyone can pm me the VIN number of black series?

Henrychung828 12-09-2014 09:35 AM

Anyone can pm me the VIN for c63 black series?

RacingBrake 12-09-2014 01:04 PM

Thank you all for your interest. We made a good progress in design and can now confirm the rear OE calipers will fit 380x28 rotors, it will be 2" oversize than OE's 330 (13"), and even bigger than black series' 360mm (14").

They will, for sure, dramatically improve your C63 both in braking performance and look.

Juts to reiterate, this complete upgrade brake kit will retain the use of your stock C63 calipers & pads, and you would need 19" wheels.

The kit will come with RB light weight two piece rotors rotors, low dust and no noise ET500 performance brake pads, and all necessary hardware and adaptor for an easy "bolt on" installation. (track pads and stainless steel brake line are optional

This kit is very affordable comparing to aftermarket Brembo brake kits. We expect to ship the kit in late Jan/early Feb if you place the order before the end of December.

Brake kits offer will be announced for pre-orders as soon as ready.

JT C63AMG 12-09-2014 01:14 PM

Is it correct that the 507 and black series share the 390mm brakes?

RacingBrake 12-09-2014 04:48 PM

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According to this source, 507 series has the same brake as C63 (Non BS):

As standard, the C63 AMG “Edition 507″ comes with an even more powerful AMG high-performance braking system featuring compound construction technology. The front axle makes use of compound brake discs measuring 14.2 in. x 1.4 in. The advantages of the compound design include higher fatigue strength and lower warping characteristics. In addition, compound construction discs are lighter in weight and the reduced unsprung masses improve the response of the spring/damping elements.


It seems there is a Performance Brake Option which you might able to upgrade to BS brakes.

The rotors are composite casted (al hat+ iron dsic) like CTS-V, but the ring is not replaceable.
Attachment 375807

08C63 12-09-2014 07:23 PM

I may be interested come springtime.

RacingBrake 12-09-2014 07:50 PM

OK the link is up for ordering:
http://www.racingbrake.com/Brake-Rot.../mb-irk-02.htm

We need some pre-orders to get this project going, so here is the incentive we would offer:

Order by 12/31/14 and save a 10% pre-order discount. Use Coupon Code "MB-C63-BS" at check out. First three orders will also receive free shipping.

Upon order receipt, free shipping will be applied. After Jan 1, 2015 the price will be back to normal.

Delivery is expected around February in time for Spring installation.

Any questions call Chris @714-871-6392, PM or email us

RacingBrake 12-13-2014 10:43 AM

After this upgrade your C63 brake performance would be greatly improved and better than BS stock, so if your brake is due for replacement it's an excellent option.

Anyone?

mr747 12-14-2014 03:07 AM

Prices?.?.

bhamg 12-14-2014 03:33 AM


Originally Posted by mr747 (Post 6262846)
Prices?.?.

http://www.racingbrake.com/Brake-Rot.../mb-irk-02.htm

mr747 12-14-2014 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by bhamg (Post 6262854)

Thanks b

RacingBrake 01-26-2015 01:13 PM

We have just released a bolt on Carbon Ceramic Rotor package for Black Series which can be adapted to standard C63:

https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...e-c63-b-s.html


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