Kriston

What's up fellas,


I learned a few weeks ago that ESS will be stepping up to the SC plate for our beloved C63's.


I know of ESS and their good reputation amongst the BMW crowd. But they are late-comers to the M156 world. I guess they realize what the M156 can do to a S65


Either way, this is great news for avid enthusiasts looking for the ultimate power upgrade for our cars. Judging from the prices of their BMW applications, i'm hoping to see a setup for the C63 in around $8K. Still a lot of coin, but more reasonable in comparison to Weistec or Kleeman.


So the question is, any of you considering the ESS Blower option? If they manage to squeeze the stage 2 setup under 8K I will seriously consider it.


PS: The intake plenum from ESS looks gorgeous! what a piece of art.
Kris

ToXicXxX

ESS historically makes centrifugal blowers, do they not? I've never seen a roots type from them. This will be very interesting to see, as the engine bay on the 63's definitely cannot fit a centrifugal blower.

They should have a stellar engineering department, so I have no doubt it will be a good one!

If they can do a blower kit for under 10K, I will keep my C63 and invest in one.

jrcart

ESS is a great BMW tuner but why on earth would they try to jump into this arena that is dominated by Weistec, especially when the M156 platform is now officailly dead??? Kleeman who has been a well know AMG tuner and offers a M156 blower and they can not even compete with Weistec. So ESS now gets to try to compete with Weistec and Kleeman. I guess competition is a good thing for us the consumer but from a pure business point of view I am scratching my head on this one....

ToXicXxX

Officially dead? Now is the time where the cars get cheaper, and a lot of people pick them up. When a car just gets cycled out theres a huge amount of profit to have. Just like when the E90 335i's dropped below the 30k mark, there was a massive surge of people looking to mod them.

jrcart

Dead from a production point of view. You are correct about them being more affordable to the masses once the prices of the vehicles drops down on the used market however how many AMG people that are going to heavily mod their cars really know the ESS name? If I were starting a tuning company I would focus on the new C63 and AMG GT 4.0L Bi-turbo V8's, a platform that is new to all the tuners, a platform where you have equall footing and no experience dis-advantage to your competition. All the tuners will be starting over from scratch with the new 4.0L, Weistec, Renntech, Kleeman all are on equal ground with the new platform. Even if ESS comes out with a blower that costs $1500 less than Weistec I would assume most consumers would go for the proven and reliable product, I know I would.

Kriston

Jim, you and I both know that second hand users of these cars are a bit more involved compared to the owners who purchased these cars new.

You can tell by the influx of new members here on MBworld. Those vehicles out of warranty are fair game for power upgrades.

A lot of us aren't as blessed as others to tinker with SLS AMG Blacks new from the factory hehehheeheh


Also remember the C63 is the car that swayed a lot of new "mod-friendly" owners over from the BMW's / Audi's of the world. My-self included.


ESS is a well known brand, same as Weistec. The key is tuning, the parts used in these blower setups are off the shelf for the most part. Some proprietary designing had to go into it but the tuning is what separates these products. Lets see what ESS has to say about it.

Wobble64

Is this one of those that is coming very, very soon, for over 3 years now?

jrcart

I understand the economics of it and as I already stated I know ESS is a reputible and respected tuner(I too was a BMW guy in my past, 2 E36 M3's, a Dinan SC'ed E42 M3 and an E60 M5). From a business perspective it makes no sense, they are jumping in the game way late. No different than if Weistec decided they wanted to jump into the E90/E92 BMW tuning market, why try to compete with ESS and Dinan and Gintani and the other players who have carved out their niche as BMW tuners.

Like I said earlier competion is a good thing for us the consumer, it drives down prices and will force the tuners to push the envelope of performace in order to try to outdo the other guys.

Kriston

Don't think so, it looks completed.





http://www.boostaddict.com/content.p...-63-AMG-models

mr747

interesting
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rentzington

That looks hot.

ToXicXxX

Hot Damn!

Someone should make a CF compressor housing...

chrisridebike8

Am I the only one that thinks that looks like crap? It look like it belongs in a bakery or something for making cakes and loaves of bread. It's probably not plastic but it sure looks it.

C63-AMG

@chrisridebike8 that bakery comment is spot on. Not the most aesthetically looking piece under the hood. I hope this does drive down costs somewhat.

abcut973

No you are not!
Sorry Kriston but I don't follow you on this one. I don't find anything attractive in this intake. If only it was in CF but even that...
The only good thing is the added competitor which will probably drive the prices down. Let's see!

mr747

im sorry but i dont like the look of the ess manifold

this is a work of art

Kriston

Gents I assume this is a pre-production model. I guess we can expect to see a few other tweaks to it for final production.

Overmore Im sure it can be painted / coated in any which way you wish, very easily for those of you who can appreciate the finer details

To me the intake manifold looks like 2 jet packs strapped to the motor. hehehe.

Im more concerned about the numbers, really hoping we see a viable alternative with this blower.

dchl21

am I crazy to think even 8k is a lot :p

chrisridebike8

Nope. Not when you consider that a blower for a Mustang GT500 is $4-5k. I hate MB tax...It's the same story for headers.

BLKROKT

Seriously. Who gives a **** what it looks like? If it produces numbers and is engineered correctly from high quality parts, isn't that what matters? All this talk about wishing it was in carbon etc. you guys really have your priorities screwed up or are way too fond of jerking off over your pretty shiny engine bays.

Looking forward to seeing another competitive product on the market, which will be good for us all.

rentzington

I kinda like it, because like you say i bet it can be colored

rentzington

I was talkng with some mustang guys they couldnt believe what headers and a supercharger cost on these things. And these guys are pushing massive power either sc or twin turbo. Heck i bet they got headers and a sc for less than just the c63 sc cost

chrisridebike8

Car guys! That's who! Ferrari even shows their engines off under glass! What's wrong with wanting it to look cool? The velocity stacks on an old V12 Ferrari. The intake runners on the V8 of a Porsche 928. The turbo on a single turbo Supra. These are all things car guys love. I like power as much as the next guy but if all I cared about was speed, I'd take a light, crappy car and throw a huge engine in and not care about how I plumb anything and just have a rats nest of crap under the hood. "She has a great personality" comes to mind...

Wobble64

Guys, a couple of facts worth remembering:


1. ESS has been talking about this since at least 2011. It was always close.....
2. The picture looks like only a lid. No idea what, if anything, is underneath.
3. No car is running with it. No specs are known, no cost, no launch date has been communicated.
4. The production of the M156 has just stopped.


I am not holding my breath - I do not want to turn blue.

F1BHP

This is good timing as many will be looking to boost performance with the second and third buyers coming in. Probably the biggest market over the next 3-5 years which is why they want to do it. I don't know how many N/A 63 got sold but I think it is 10's of thousands over the different platforms world wide.