MBH problem
I’ve been lurking on the board ever since I bought my first 2010 C63, now I have traded for a C63 black series in pearl white. I learned quite a bit from the big players who does road races to drag strip. I am truly thankful for such a place to access information easily.
Cut to the point, I bought three sets of headers from MBH on December 4, 2013, up until yesterday I have not received a firm date for delivery or shipping. I am now relocated in China for work so my car is here too. I have bought three orders of ECU tunes from Eurocharged on August of 2103, perhaps the transaction went too smoothly, so I thought all forum vendors are of this caliber. Three Eurocharged orders were filled on August of 2013, November 2015, and most recent one filled on November 2013, nothing but great things to say about Jerry and his awesome team. Looking to place two more orders soon since my other local buddies saw how well the tunes ran. It has been a long and arduous journey trying to communicate with MBH, emails, telephone calls, and forum private messages were all utilized to the fullest. The only telephone number is shop number 623-377-4624, where nobody ever picks up and I have left so many voicemails I lost count. I asked for a better number where I can reach Mike Hooley but it was never given. From the communication list, I have been slow and should take blame for part of the delay. Up until yesterday, I have never received a shipping quote for intentional or US domestic shipping. From experience, “one set being damaged“ is not a new thing to say, I am tired of this waiting game. I propose MBH to step up, refund the money so we can both move on. I am super embarrassed to tell my other two buddies that it has taken two years and still no show for the headers. I ran out of options and patience, and have exhausted all methods of communications, thus posting this on the board is my last resort. Here is a list of communication of emails: 12/01/2013 first email of inquiry sent to MBH 12/04/2013 payment made for three sets of the headers with x-pipe 01/30/2014 MBH notifies everything read to ship 03/31/2014 I ask for dimension of boxes 04/16/2014 reply size 04/17/2014 third set complete next week 05/20/2014 MBH ready to go 05/30/2014 I ask for international shipping quote 10/29/2014 ask for update 11/22/2014 ask for update 12/06/2014 ask for update 12/18/2014 MBH replies: do not have ample shop storage, must rebuild all three sets 12/21/2014 ask for completion date 01/11/2015 ask for update 02/04/2015 ask for update 02/08/2015 MBH replies: one set ready, two more sets to fabricate 02/24/2015 ask for firm date of completion 02/24/2015 MBH: I will email you tomorrow with firm date. 02/27/2015 ask for update, no reply were on follow up of firm date 03/06/2015 ask for update 03/06/2015 MBH: 2 sets done, 1 more set to go 03/11/2015 ask for update 03/16/2015 ask for update 03/17/2015 ask for update 03/28/2015 ask for update 05/05/2015 ask for update 10/24/2015 ask for update 10/24/2015 MBH: no free shipping. I asked for shipping quote so MBH believes delay is due to the fact that I am not willing to pay shipping after 22 month delay, I do not know what to think 11/03/2015 sent another China address who is capable to clear customs, ask for shipping quote 11/05/2015 ask for update 11/05/2015 MBH: busy at SEMA 11/18/2015 ask for update 12/10//2015 ask for refund 12/15/2015 ask for refund 12/21/2015 ask for refund 01/16/2016 ask for refund Since emails are non-responsive, I started with private messages via the board. 02/23/2016 ask for refund, and replied to a particular MBH thread to get attention, thread has been deleted 02/24/2016 MBH Mike’s response: “I don’t run that department anymore, must slipped through cracks, I will make sure you order is completed and shipped to you. 02/26/2016 gave USA shipping address 03/06/2016 ask for update 03/06/2016 MBH reply: we are going to start shipping them this week, one had to replaced due to damage. 03/13/2016 ask for refund regards, Ethan |
How do headers get fabricated, disappear or get damaged so often? :eek:
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My passenger side MBH header hit the body of my car. I let Mike know. It took about a month, but I was refunded what I thought to be a fair amount of money. I had to have my fab guy fix it, but in the end it all worked out for me. Also I received my headers exactly one week later then they original delivery date, but Mike did make things right in my case.
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sorry man ... that's bullshi and you let it went on for way too long.
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Lol and people rag on Andy, Andy sent me a set of headers before I even had payment sent out.
Hope it works out for ya, try ARH/MHP, heard you can order direct from ARH. |
Holy .. U bought 3 headers & 3 years later they still can't deliver? U are patient to wait this long to come complain here, I would go nuts after the first year. This is no pocket change, 3 headers is what? 3k$US each?
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Originally Posted by Merc63
(Post 6742192)
Lol and people rag on Andy, Andy sent me a set of headers before I even had payment sent out.
Hope it works out for ya, try ARH/MHP, heard you can order direct from ARH. |
2 years!??? Lol.
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Originally Posted by Merc63
(Post 6742204)
2 years!??? Lol.
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Originally Posted by Merc63
(Post 6742192)
Lol and people rag on Andy, Andy sent me a set of headers before I even had payment sent out. Hope it works out for ya, try ARH/MHP, heard you can order direct from ARH.
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Originally Posted by w204nyc
(Post 6742269)
From what I was told by someone at ARH, they make the headers but everything is done through MHP including the payment lol
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Why don't we wait to hear both sides before jumping on MBH? They have been a long-time sponsor, and if I recall correctly this is the first bad experience I've even seen posted about them or their product. If true and complete as written though, it sucks.
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We are only going to reply to address this thread once. There are some errors on our end and we will admit that. We will also say we had some very long extended waits from the client in their replies. As well as miscommunication on who was covering shipping charges. These things are not uncommon we have found. We have a set of downpipes that have been sold of almost a year waiting for the client. As well as some other things that get ordered and the customer falls off the face of the Earth without sending us their contact info. There are surely two sides to this story and we always try to take care of the customer. We have many people who have ordered since and have received their orders no problem. It would be fair to say this situation must have some existing circumstances that has caused such a delay.
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I am a fool to allow anyone drag this out for so long. Patience is not a virtue, it is my foolishness to believe one excuse after another. MBH's response is that no resolutions will be discussed until this thread is removed, instead trying find a way to resolve this, they are only making this worse. This is NOT how you do damage control. If MBH believes their reputation is only worth about 11K so be it.
on a side note: I do admit delay of response to mike's emails/messages, it is not my intention. In order to access gmail or even this site, I have to hop on a VPN to get over the "great fire wall", which regulates the internet. VPN gets blocked randomly, so one must keep switching VPNs, thus communication becomes sporadic. But regardless, this has taken far too long and I am only seeking to see my funds returned. |
I've been in the retail business for 30 years now so I'll leave my comment on this.
From a business perspective where I see MBH failed is if the customer paid in full but doesn't claim his good in the timely matter. The business should email the buyer to let him know the products will be resold & refund will be issued minus stocking fees... Instead of telling the customers it's damaged or its back ordered when the customer shows up to claim the goods. |
This sucks for both customer and shop. I'm sure that MBH spent that ~11k a long time ago. But cant just tell a customer "you took too long to respond so we are keeping the headers unless you delete your negative thread."
Maybe if this is such a common problem for MBH as they suggest they should have a change in how they take orders. Maybe get a shipping address and take payment & shipping paid up front? |
I don't understand how MBH receives payment for 3 sets of headers and decides to wait for all 3 sets to be completed before sending it out. If space is limited, you would send each set out to the customer once each set is completed.
Blaming the customer for delayed responses is not an acceptable reason. Especially a 2 years of wait... a refund should just be issued, so that both parties can part ways. I was initially looking to purchase a set of MBH headers, but I also couldn't reach MBH on the phone. Like Troy, MHP always answered their phones and had headers out to forum members in less than a weeks time. I guess that's the difference when the fabricators is a large OE manufacturer. |
Originally Posted by I am Jeff
(Post 6743581)
I don't understand how MBH receives payment for 3 sets of headers and decides to wait for all 3 sets to be completed before sending it out. If space is limited, you would send each set out to the customer once each set is completed.
Blaming the customer for delayed responses is not an acceptable reason. Especially a 2 years of wait... a refund should just be issued, so that both parties can part ways. I was initially looking to purchase a set of MBH headers, but I also couldn't reach MBH on the phone. Like Troy, MHP always answered their phones and had headers out to forum members in less than a weeks time. I guess that's the difference when the fabricators is a large OE manufacturer. |
MBH is not the kind of company that just starts deciding to rip people off suddenly. I bet there is more to this story than the OP is letting on. You don't build up a reputation like MBH did and throw it away over ~$10k. Has anyone heard of any other bad stories about MBH? No. Something's not adding up.
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Originally Posted by I am Jeff
(Post 6743581)
I don't understand how MBH receives payment for 3 sets of headers and decides to wait for all 3 sets to be completed before sending it out. If space is limited, you would send each set out to the customer once each set is completed.
Blaming the customer for delayed responses is not an acceptable reason. Especially a 2 years of wait... a refund should just be issued, so that both parties can part ways. I was initially looking to purchase a set of MBH headers, but I also couldn't reach MBH on the phone. Like Troy, MHP always answered their phones and had headers out to forum members in less than a weeks time. I guess that's the difference when the fabricators is a large OE manufacturer. |
Anyone knows if Dyno Comp and MBH are the same company? The C63 Tri Y headers look the same. I bought my headers from Dyno Comp a few years ago and the service was great. It is really sad this is happening, I hope everything can be resolve in a good way for both parts.
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Originally Posted by BLKROKT
(Post 6744384)
MBH is not the kind of company that just starts deciding to rip people off suddenly. I bet there is more to this story than the OP is letting on. You don't build up a reputation like MBH did and throw it away over ~$10k. Has anyone heard of any other bad stories about MBH? No. Something's not adding up.
There has to be more to this story :y |
Originally Posted by MBH motorsports
(Post 6742306)
We are only going to reply to address this thread once. There are some errors on our end and we will admit that. We will also say we had some very long extended waits from the client in their replies. As well as miscommunication on who was covering shipping charges. These things are not uncommon we have found. We have a set of downpipes that have been sold of almost a year waiting for the client. As well as some other things that get ordered and the customer falls off the face of the Earth without sending us their contact info. There are surely two sides to this story and we always try to take care of the customer. We have many people who have ordered since and have received their orders no problem. It would be fair to say this situation must have some existing circumstances that has caused such a delay.
Originally Posted by blindfold
(Post 6742316)
I am a fool to allow anyone drag this out for so long. Patience is not a virtue, it is my foolishness to believe one excuse after another. MBH's response is that no resolutions will be discussed until this thread is removed, instead trying find a way to resolve this, they are only making this worse. This is NOT how you do damage control. If MBH believes their reputation is only worth about 11K so be it.
I agree with the comment about damage control, if this is how MBH chooses to handle this, I'll cross that company off as a company I would support. My guess, headers have already been resold, since they were paid for twice, might as well send that refund. |
Originally Posted by dubzAMG
(Post 6744390)
I tried to contact MBH when I was header shopping as well. I never received any replies so I went with ARH instead.
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These small companies that turn out a quality product, but can not afford to hire a desk person are difficult to deal with. It is up to the consumer to decide if it is worth dealing with or not.
Did your slip fit leak?? |
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