Manual transmission (GM Tremec Magnum) adapter plate
Hey guys. Does anyone want/need a bellhousing adapter plate that will mate an M156 to a Tremec Magnum (TR6060) 6-speed manual gearbox? GM bolt pattern.
I'm commissioning one to be made for personal use, and it's no more work to have additional ones made at the same time. The adapter plate will be very similar to the one below, except with two additional holes at the bottom for the Magnum bellhousing. It's a CNC'd part that's a bit less than an inch thick, and it suits the front-sump M156 (not the rear sump one though). It won't be cheap. But the price will depend on how many adapter plates are made (more is better). There's no money in this for me, just figured I'd offer it out to the community for anyone that wants to do a manual conversion. PM me if you're interested. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...9ec1af8337.jpg |
What would be needed go swap in this manual?! Driveshaft, pedal box, master and slave cylinders and whatnot? How would the ecu react? I'd be interested, but I've never done an auto to manual swap without someone having done one before to layout the costs involved.
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I have been thinking of doing the same - I need to find a use for my spare engine.
Do you have an indicative price? Is the same company going to make you the flywheel with a dual-plate clutch offset? |
Ecu is married to the tcu in tranny. Mechanically, it wouldn't be too hard, but programming wise, dunno if it's possible without a miracle worker for a tuner.
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There is a guy using a holinger mated to an m156 as a time attack car. I believe he is running motec for control.
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Originally Posted by chrisridebike8
(Post 6769646)
What would be needed go swap in this manual?! Driveshaft, pedal box, master and slave cylinders and whatnot? How would the ecu react? I'd be interested, but I've never done an auto to manual swap without someone having done one before to layout the costs involved.
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For sure this adapter is just one piece of the manual conversion puzzle, but as anyone whose does this kind of stuff knows, it is arguably the most crucial and difficult one. I'll be swapping it into a early Benz, with a standalone, etc. I'll be doing my own flywheel since that's way easier than the adapter plate.
There probably won't be another run of these adapter plates (and none will be put on the shelf) so if you want one, PM me soon. |
Also, somebody should verify this, but I think the M156 bellhousing bolt pattern is the same as M112/M113.
So this same adapter would work for the guys wanting to do the 55 swap! |
now this is a cool thread!! ill be watching............
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MT c63. Subbbbbbbed.
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mmmmmm holinger
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I was just thinking about this last night... I so wish I could do this
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I'm looking to get an adapter plate to fit a BMW 6-speed E92 335i transmission to a C63 AMG M156 engine. Putting this in a '54 Ford F100 so the electronic for me is not an issue.
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Originally Posted by adaptec
(Post 6771553)
I'm looking to get an adapter plate to fit a BMW 6-speed E92 335i transmission to a C63 AMG M156 engine. Putting this in a '54 Ford F100 so the electronic for me is not an issue.
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Originally Posted by AMG3.2
(Post 6771592)
Is this the same getrag in the E46 M3? If so, why? It's so notchy, plus repairing it damn near impossible as only a few know how to open up one of those getrags.
Because the T-56 is too expensive and the TKO-600 simply isn't strong enoufg and can't shift properly above 6000rpm. The BMW 5-speed is extremely popular to use in Scandinavia in muscle and drift cars. The transmission run at 5-700usd used, they shift perfectly at 9000rpm and they handle 1000ft/lbs of torque all day long. You don't do that with a Tremec that cost 3000usd plus shipping, plus tax etc. The TKOs barely handle the 600ft/lbs they're rated at. |
6 speed C63?
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The adapter is confirmed to fit M156 and M112/M113 engines, and it appears that M272/M273, M278/M157 also share this same bellhousing bolt pattern too. Along with the modern V12s, it seems.
I'm getting close to a point where I'll need to know how many adapters to make. PM me now if you're interested. |
This is a good swap if you're taking the M156 and putting it into something older with a stand alone.
I wouldn't try this to do a manual conversion in a C63...big headache and compatability issues, let alone the driveshaft/pedals/throwout bearing/flexplate/clutch/crossmember. Not sure what you would gain either |
Originally Posted by callmiro
(Post 6775224)
This is a good swap if you're taking the M156 and putting it into something older with a stand alone.
I wouldn't try this to do a manual conversion in a C63...big headache and compatability issues, let alone the driveshaft/pedals/throwout bearing/flexplate/clutch/crossmember. Not sure what you would gain either You would gain C63 in a manual award which is incredible. But for the money Ill keep looking for a GT350. |
why would anyone want a manual these days? Lol...are people still wrapped up on "herp derp you arent a real man until you drive a stick!" ...driving a stick is probably one of the gayest things you can drive with it's like driving with a dildo in your hand that comes up from the center of the car. Paddles all day if the transmission is right and no, none of you can shift faster then a computer,
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Originally Posted by avery.whss
(Post 6775486)
why would anyone want a manual these days? Lol...are people still wrapped up on "herp derp you arent a real man until you drive a stick!" ...driving a stick is probably one of the gayest things you can drive with it's like driving with a dildo in your hand that comes up from the center of the car. Paddles all day if the transmission is right and no, none of you can shift faster then a computer,
So here is where my manual argument lies. It is not about shifting faster than a computer etc. I only love manuals because of the fun factor and more control factor in my opinion. I mean, look man, we know manuals are the way of the past but they are fun as hell, more engaging, and at the end of the day I have passed guys at HPDE days in manual cars that were driving PDK cars, GTRs, Ferraris etc. I know that 99% of the time the dual clutch trans are better at shifting and faster but they are not as "engaging" thats all. I dont think only real men drive manual but I think real men can appreciate the fun factor. IMO the way it goes for fun factor in cars is Manual>True Sequential>Dual clutch>Tq converter auto>CVT |
Originally Posted by ENV²
(Post 6775497)
So here is where my manual argument lies. It is not about shifting faster than a computer etc. I only love manuals because of the fun factor and more control factor in my opinion. I mean, look man, we know manuals are the way of the past but they are fun as hell, more engaging, and at the end of the day I have passed guys at HPDE days in manual cars that were driving PDK cars, GTRs, Ferraris etc. I know that 99% of the time the dual clutch trans are better at shifting and faster but they are not as "engaging" thats all. I dont think only real men drive manual but I think real men can appreciate the fun factor.
IMO the way it goes for fun factor in cars is Manual>True Sequential>Dual clutch>Tq converter auto>CVT |
Originally Posted by avery.whss
(Post 6775507)
true, i agree the engaging part is a lot more fun. It's just the daily driving in traffic that sucks about a manual especially in a big city
I think I just enjoy manual haha. But I do like my MCT speedshift trans in the C. |
Originally Posted by ENV²
(Post 6775497)
So here is where my manual argument lies. It is not about shifting faster than a computer etc. I only love manuals because of the fun factor and more control factor in my opinion. I mean, look man, we know manuals are the way of the past but they are fun as hell, more engaging, and at the end of the day I have passed guys at HPDE days in manual cars that were driving PDK cars, GTRs, Ferraris etc. I know that 99% of the time the dual clutch trans are better at shifting and faster but they are not as "engaging" thats all. I dont think only real men drive manual but I think real men can appreciate the fun factor.
IMO the way it goes for fun factor in cars is Manual>True Sequential>Dual clutch>Tq converter auto>CVT |
Manual all day, every day, if I had a choice!
Not because of the man factor, but because of the fun factor. Which means a lot more to me than "my transmission can shift faster than you in a manual" |
Tr6060 adapter
Originally Posted by JKav
(Post 6769637)
Hey guys. Does anyone want/need a bellhousing adapter plate that will mate an M156 to a Tremec Magnum (TR6060) 6-speed manual gearbox? GM bolt pattern.
I'm commissioning one to be made for personal use, and it's no more work to have additional ones made at the same time. The adapter plate will be very similar to the one below, except with two additional holes at the bottom for the Magnum bellhousing. It's a CNC'd part that's a bit less than an inch thick, and it suits the front-sump M156 (not the rear sump one though). It won't be cheap. But the price will depend on how many adapter plates are made (more is better). There's no money in this for me, just figured I'd offer it out to the community for anyone that wants to do a manual conversion. PM me if you're interested. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...9ec1af8337.jpg Howdy! I have an adapter plate that goes between the bellhousing of the M113K and the TR6060. My TR6060 came from a 2009 Dodge Challenger and has the removable bellhousing. I sold the car I was going to swap the engine in to so I don't need any of the transmission parts. I am looking for an adapter to bolt a Porsche transaxle to the M113k for a mid engine project if you have heard of one. Just thought I would offer it. Maybe I aught to post it here :) Have a good day, Ben |
Do you still have this adaptor?
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Originally Posted by MBchevy
(Post 8494431)
Do you still have this adaptor?
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Originally Posted by PowerdbyBenz
(Post 8495633)
I do along with the rest of the bits other than the flywheel. What do you need?
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Originally Posted by JKav
(Post 6769637)
Hey guys. Does anyone want/need a bellhousing adapter plate that will mate an M156 to a Tremec Magnum (TR6060) 6-speed manual gearbox? GM bolt pattern.
I'm commissioning one to be made for personal use, and it's no more work to have additional ones made at the same time. The adapter plate will be very similar to the one below, except with two additional holes at the bottom for the Magnum bellhousing. It's a CNC'd part that's a bit less than an inch thick, and it suits the front-sump M156 (not the rear sump one though). It won't be cheap. But the price will depend on how many adapter plates are made (more is better). There's no money in this for me, just figured I'd offer it out to the community for anyone that wants to do a manual conversion. PM me if you're interested. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...9ec1af8337.jpg |
the M113k and M156 use the same bolt pattern.
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If the bolt pattern is the same, isn't there already a bolt-up option for m113k using a 6 speed from a crossfire or something? Or am I remembering that incorrectly
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The Crossfire transmission (NSG370) does bolt up, but is rated to 273 lb-ft. There isn't much support for this gearbox in the aftermarket, either. Nor was it really intended as a performance gearbox.
Adapting to a GM Tremec bellhousing taps into the HUGE support network for the TR6060 / Magnum gearbox. Stock it came with up to 556 lb-ft in the CTS-V, and the Magnums go up from there. Think of the GM Tremec as the LS smallblock of the transmission world. |
Originally Posted by JKav
(Post 8820930)
The Crossfire transmission (NSG370) does bolt up, but is rated to 273 lb-ft. There isn't much support for this gearbox in the aftermarket, either. Nor was it really intended as a performance gearbox.
Adapting to a GM Tremec bellhousing taps into the HUGE support network for the TR6060 / Magnum gearbox. Stock it came with up to 556 lb-ft in the CTS-V, and the Magnums go up from there. Think of the GM Tremec as the LS smallblock of the transmission world. |
I did this a while back - M156 to LS7 twin-plate clutch. We used a Corvette torque tube, but a T6060 has the same interfaces.
It is now an an Aston Martin (circa '75). https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...6ed736424e.png M156 to LS7 |
Originally Posted by JKav
(Post 6769637)
Hey guys. Does anyone want/need a bellhousing adapter plate that will mate an M156 to a Tremec Magnum (TR6060) 6-speed manual gearbox? GM bolt pattern.
I'm commissioning one to be made for personal use, and it's no more work to have additional ones made at the same time. The adapter plate will be very similar to the one below, except with two additional holes at the bottom for the Magnum bellhousing. It's a CNC'd part that's a bit less than an inch thick, and it suits the front-sump M156 (not the rear sump one though). It won't be cheap. But the price will depend on how many adapter plates are made (more is better). There's no money in this for me, just figured I'd offer it out to the community for anyone that wants to do a manual conversion. PM me if you're interested. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...9ec1af8337.jpg |
Okay, my opinion is the potential problem in the engine it is not designed for a manual gearbox and If it only has crankshaft thrust bearings at 50% of a engine designed for manual or automatics.
P/N A1560330262 qty 2 an engine for manual would need to have 4. https://images.ilcats.ru/getImage.ph...f098cca1f254d3 |
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