C63fora2w1

How is any of this Mag1c Carp3t's fault ? Again you are attacking the consumer !! Why ? You can try and sue everyone under the sun but if you have crappy customer service and customer relations nobody is going to do business with you. Instead of bringing litigation why don't you try to differentiate yourself from the competition ? Come out with a better design, pride yourself on giving the best customer service possible, reduce your price. On your current trajectory your going to alienate anyone who would potentially want to do business with you. In actuality you are Auto Tallent's best marketing campaign. The more you throw temper tantrums the more people are going to want to save $8-900 and do business with them. Like you said it's the same design anyway.

MBH motorsports

NO ONE is attacking Mag1c Carp3t. A false claim about us was made by him and I corrected it.
"try to differentiate yourself from the competition ? Come out with a better design?"
I designed these headers to differentiate from the competition. It's my design and as I said before I have a responsibility to protect my design.
Ask any legal professional, if you own something and dont do anything to protect it you risk losing it. So this is what I doing... protecting it. Not just by showing my objection to FI and Auto Talent here in the forum that I sponsored for 10 years or so. Also by seeking legal action. This stuff takes time. I dont want to get into detail, but I have to go after all parties. Just remember I didnt ask for this, Nor do I want to do this. Its a matter of I have to do this. Trust me I'd rather talk cars this this crap.

Mag1c Carp3t

My headers were purchased directly through Ardent the manufacturer that supplies MBH. My indie shop has a great relationship with them, they are local to us. Ryan the owner and fabricator for MBH does custom exhausts for us locally. He's fabricated a custom set of resonator deletes for me and a full system for the indie shops owners cars.

P.S. It's not your design or engineering. All you do is brand it MBH and resale them. Im not even sure why I'm advertising your company in my sig I should just advertise the manufacturers name.

MBH motorsports

Again Ardent is the name or my partners UTV side business lol. I ok'ed the resonators you have as well as Atwood's CLS downpipes and headers on his old E55.
P.S. it is my design and with all due respect you really shouldn't talk about thing you don't know.

AutoTalent

Happy Friday everyone

I am Jeff

I miss the good old days when MHP and MBH argued about who has the better design...

AutoTalent

Bump!

skratch77

Do these bolt up to the stock resonator without cutting or messing up the oem mid section?

AutoTalent

That is correct. Straight bolt on.

simandang

Lol MBH is such a cry baby. You lost tons of business by your hilarious butthurt ***** posts and e thug threats.

MBH motorsports

They are not threats. You dont understand how product development and your rights work. I have an obligation to protect our product for everyone who is involved with MBH, and that includes employees, dealers, customers and so on. If you do not protect your rights to a product you risk losing it. Its that simple. I own another company and have other means of income, but for the guys employed by us that grind it out every day making these headers, they dont. Im obligated to protect this product and protect their job, so it isn't lost to copied and counterfeit reproductions. If you think this is something I want to do, you are crazy. I have already spent thousands of dollars with my attorney on this matter.
Auto Talent has been sent a "Cease and Desist" by my attorney and we are waiting for their response. We fully plan on filing a lawsuit against Auto Talent and anyone in the chain that is facilitating the sale of a reproduction of our protected product.

glennhl

And I for one hope that MBH wins! Pretty soon, if all that happens is people steal designs, copy them, and undercut the original company, thus putting them out of business, there will be no businesses willing to risk it by developing new products for our cars.

simandang

do you ever read your posts before you hit submit???


I would never considering doing any business with a person like yourself it must really suck to have those self esteem issues

MBH motorsports

Not sure where you extrapolate self esteem issues out of anything said. By guess is you are just trying to be jerk. Who you choose to do business with is completely up to you. Let me tell you something, you do business everyday with people like me. People who have a responsibility to defend their products and designs. In fact you probably are using a product now that has protections in place to defend their rights.
Whats interesting int his situation is; I've been a sponsor of this site for like 10 years and if someone thinks they are going to come here with a rip off of our product without a fight they got another thing coming.

SuperFastYo

People need to stop bumping the topic. Let MBH and Auto Talent handle their business, Hell even start at

simandang

skratch77

Would you guys do 2000 shipped if we get a group buy going?

wheelz

The FI headers were roaring this weekend on Targa Trophy. Thanks FI and Auto Talent. Got lots of compliments on how the Black Series sounds especially on the down shifts.

AutoTalent

PM Sent.

Thanks Justin! Your headers definitely put a smile on my face the second I first started it up.

skratch77

Ok guys who is in on a group buy for 2000 shipped to your door?

We need 5 for it!

1 skratch77
2 DarkLordByron

DarkLordByron

I'm in. I've been planning on ordering. Saving 200 makes it so worth it.

skratch77

I was the same plus it's free shipping!

Ok 3 more and it's a go

Jasonoff

If the CDN dollar wasn't in the shˇtter...

BLKROKT

Stop being such a *****. Just do it.

oggie

Ok. Count me in.