Infiniti

i never said i was on board with 20hp show me where? but i am on board with the making a little difference. let all the people who thanked you speak for themselves? LOL you really are an *** clown. with all your godly knowledge and everything you know your C63 should be badass and you could be putting out products and numbers.....oh wait.....

mr747

if you guys want to increase airflow contact Magnuson and get a hold of there air intake for there SC kit it has a larger bottom then factory one and is a great little upgrade

Mazspeed

Huh?? "with all your godly knowledge and everything you know your C63 should be badass and you could be putting out products and numbers.....oh wait....."

I don't put out products or claim my car does this or that. Where did you get that from? Why would I put out products?
I may not be a C63 expert, but I am an expert in airflow, carburation and fuel injection, suspension tuning for race cars.
This spacer will not give you 1 hp or 1 to improvement. None. They said they would send a set to me if I paid for them and tested them. Which they never got in touch with me over, but as far as how this can improve airflow or air capacity or even being less restricted. Air is the easiet thing to manipulate in a manifold. Hence why forced injection works so well around turns and curves, but it's not perfect. You need airspace per size of each cylinder bank of air. A spacer gives you nothing in relation to moving the filter out of the way because air being unforced can simply move out of the way. There isn't enough vacuum air intake to make any difference at 7k rpm on a NA motor. Now a forced injected motor is needing more air volume and fuel, but fuel isn't the issue. Air flow is. I'm far from the best from explaining things, but I'm telling you it won't work. There is simply not enough air needed to render something like this useful. I'm sorry for being a dick about this, but when I see garbage being trolled as a way to subtract money from people's wallets, it bugs the hell out if me. So I do apologize to you for my venom, but not for people peddling products that don't work.

SactownP31

This is exactly what these spacers do but on a slightly smaller scale. But apparently increased airflow is not possible according to our resident experts, even with mag lower boxes. "Only way to see any gains is with charcoal delete or row airboxes." Lol at these Condescending ****s.

Mazspeed

So you're saying this is like a small supercharger, it's forcing air into the motor? Un-freakin'-believable. Hahahaha

Mazspeed

Are there turbines built into the spacer? This is utterly ridiculous

Jasonoff

I pulled my filters out yesterday. 30WHP gain. WINNING!

Mazspeed

It was like you bolted up a super charger, but at a slightly smaller scale.

BLKROKT

It’s like that ARMA intake with the electric fans. They’re like mini turbochargers you know.

Cifdig

Honestly I can’t say a spacer would give a hp jump. If it was was causing obstruction after the intake boxes on the flow patch towards intercooler I’d say hey there is flow improvement but it isn’t so I can’t see where the gain on the spacer will come from. BUT I can comment on the filter being changed from stock to a higher flow filter . Filter is an obstruction which dramatically slows down air flow. Higher flow filter speeds that air flow which the ecu does read which in turn would give you more useable power faster. Not much but I do I dyno numbers to prove there is gain removing stock filter and tossing in a k&n. Awhp jumped from 616 to 621 with meth but then added the filter in between runs and jumped to 628awhp then 634 . The meth is activated during peak power because I use it to help top end so it did not play a factor for peak power. I feel the filter helped with that plus it feels more responsive. So does filter help yes, does spacer help I can’t see that working ever. But I would like to see what the pulley does. This is my experience, not saying that it’s said in stone we all know a dyno isn’t accurate, but it is a tool to use as far as being able to see what mod does what as long as you stick with the same exact dyno

SactownP31

Maz you're a tool. Mag supercharger system comes with replacement lower air boxes. This is what the other guy is was talking about. Increasing overall size of the airboxes. Not this being like a mag supercharger. You told a member learn to read. I suggest you learn to comprehend what you read.

Mazspeed

You said this in reference to someone posting about a super charger. "This is exactly what these spacers do but on a slightly smaller scale". No, he was not talking about lower air boxes. He was making fun of you. Now in what way is a spacer on a slightly smaller scale than a supercharger? What you'rs saying is that the spacer is on a slightly smaller scale than something that physical forces air into the intake manifold. Your sentence is the dumbest thing I have seen on an automobile forum and that's saying something. You have no clue about cars and should stop making dumb posts that make you look like an illiterate fool. At no point is a spacer a smaller scale of something that physical forces air into the motor. You should stop interneting.

Nando_514

I think he was talking about the larger lower intake tub... The Magnusson bottom intake tub is larger than the factory AMG one, allowing for more air flow. Sactown is saying the intake spacer has a similar effect because it's kind of making the lower tub "larger."

mr747

Yes i was talking about the lower intake tub

BLKROKT

You guys, seriously. Think of it this way. If you just remove the lower intake box completely, do you think that would make HP (ignoring implications of heat)? Of course not. The air still has to flow through the same size filter element. The air is being pulled in by the engine through the filter, not pushed into the filter edge. Air takes the path of least resistance, so moving the filter up by 1/2 inch or removing that lower box completely would have absolutely zero effect on the ability of the engine to pull air in through the filter. The existing opening is more than sufficient for the amount of air the engine is capable of ingesting. Like Maz said above there probably isn’t even any measurable vacuum in the area, and I bet that opening in the lower box has just as much volume as the throttle bodies, which is the only part of the intake that can be reasonably improved anyway (that’s the only possible bottleneck - post MAF). You guys just don’t have any clue what you’re talking about.

Mazspeed

I would certainly hope so, because it' nothing like a supercharger. Even then, it's a supercharger built design to go along with a total package.

SactownP31

Precisely. It's pretty clear what the convo was. But these guys are worse than the liberal media. Appreciate you taking the time and clearing up what was or should have been obvious. But maz has a track record of making stuff up.

SactownP31

Yes, Ok let's just say you're right. Air is not being pushed rather sucked in. Cool, we're on the same page. Wouldn't facilitating air induction for the engine be beneficial? You believe in the carbon filter and smaller port of NA airbox restricts flow. Why is it so hard to even remotely contemplate that maybe, just maybe the filters are not in optimal position. You guys are the most close minded SOBS alive. But then again you guys are know it alls and anyone who's view or in this case EXPERIENCE differs from your template, is stupid.

Mazspeed

OH please elaborate. This ought to be good.

BLKROKT

I love quoting these so they can’t be edited later and the stupidity of your posts can be preserved for all of time.

Removing the the charcoal filter is removing something that is directly blocking the air flow. It’s right on top of the filter, and any air into the engine has to pass through it as well. That’s what a restriction is. There is no restriction with the filter edge, what are you talking about. The air doesn’t have to pass through the cardboard. What are you trying to say, that the air being pulled through the filter is bothered that the filter is either 1/2” higher or lower. Do you see how dumb your argument is yet? Remove the lower air box - by your logic this should make 50hp because a “restriction” is removed.

Mazspeed

How else is a normally aspirated engine taking in air, it's sucked in. You cannot be this dense. It's not being forced hence turbos and superchargers are forced air. You don't even understand the basic concept.
No you're not on the same page you completely do not understand basic physics of how air and motors work. You know absolutely nothing. The concept is over your head. Spaces aren't helping, your car isn't jumping and it's not more fun now after the spacer. You're just making stuff up. Your wife isn't saying well look at all that new found power. You've made everything up. It's all in your head.

jptaylor

Jesus Harold Christ.....this bull**** is so deep it's almost comical. The spacers won't do ****, period. We don't have to say f*ck you, you're wrong....PHYSICS says f*ck you, you're wrong FOR us. Hell, the ribs in the intake ducting creates more turbulence than the minutely exposed filter ever could......and for the record, when I had the talk with my tuner IN HIS SHOP, AT HIS DYNO that he/staff have run hundreds of M156 pulls on he stated that OEM filter, aftermarket dry filter and even NO FILTER AT ALL made ZERO difference on any pull they had ever made(with factory boxes). ZERO!!!!! He said the only difference seen was when running ROW boxes dry filters would make about 3, THREE, rwhp more than with OEM....

​​​​​​.....at least I know which Merc to be cautious of if we ever meet up at a traffic light, you'll be the jackass pulling a 3pt turn before the light goes green so you can get the jump on me in *******g reverse

JonM

I gained 40whp doing this mod I saw in another thread. Dyno coming soon.

I am Jeff

I gained 10 rwhp just by attaching this sticker onto my car. It reduces aerodynamic coefficients and redirects the air into my engine for those 10 unicorn rwhp. You all should try it too!

jptaylor

That is SUCH bullsh*t, we ALL know that it adds 10 flywheel hp....I hate when people try to overstate gains in order to "sound cool" on forums