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principledchiro 12-28-2017 08:41 AM

Year C63 to mod to 500 rwhp
 
Hello fellow AMG ers. I've just came out of a fbo 500+ rwhp 700 lb/ft 2006 CL55 AMG wrecked by a cell/texter. The CL55, though an awesome sleeper, was heavy (4300 lbs.). Among its many attributes, what appealed to me most was the stout Kompressor V8 motor and two doors. Before leaping in to a 2005 CL65 (V12 TT) I've been eyeing, the prospect of the lighter two door C63. My central question is; aside from the 4.0 V8 Bi-Turbo, what year is best to push off in attaining 500+ rwhp? The platform prior to the bi-turbo is preferred. And yes, my 06 CL55 blew the doors off most American and Foreign muscle, including a 2017 C63S AMG sedan. Budget for initial purchase is up to $30k. Thank you.

BLKROKT 12-28-2017 08:46 AM

2012-13 Black Series would be best. Second best would be a 2014-15 507 Coupe which has all of the best bits from throughout the production years. Third best would be any 2012-15 P31 Coupe with the forged internals (these are the only ones close to your budget).

Keep in mind that FBO will get you to just around the 500whp mark. Any more than that you will need FI or N2O.

principledchiro 12-28-2017 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by BLKROKT (Post 7344526)
2012-13 Black Series would be best. Second best would be a 2014-15 507 Coupe which has all of the best bits from throughout the production years. Third best would be any 2012-15 P31 Coupe with the forged internals (these are the only ones close to your budget).

Keep in mind that FBO will get you to just around the 500whp mark. Any more than that you will need FI or N2O.

Thx a bunch for suggestions. Will search for the 507, but what will it be called if surfing Autotrader, Cargurus, etc.? Does the P31 have forged internals?

MTV10 12-28-2017 10:23 AM

Yes, P31 has forged internals.

principledchiro 12-28-2017 10:36 AM

How does the 6.2 litre stack up against the 4.0 V8 bi-turbo?

ShazV6 12-28-2017 11:43 AM

Stock for stock the 4.0 will beat the 6.2, tune vs tune the 4.0 will beat the 6.2. Now when it comes to the different stages of the 6.2 with the supercharger vs the 4.0 with the different stages im not sure who will come out on top but im pretty sure it will still be the 4.0. But Stage 3 4.0 vs stage 3 6.2 this is a toss up but i think this will go to the 6.2 as i believe some guys are in the 10.2 and the fastest 4.0 stage 3 i have seen is 10.7 (PL27 username) or better? but i could be wrong. I sure do love the 6.2 sound though, nothing like it.

MTV10 12-28-2017 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by principledchiro (Post 7344601)
How does the 6.2 litre stack up against the 4.0 V8 bi-turbo?

Tuned W204 C63 should walk a stock W205 in a straight line

NotABaller 12-28-2017 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by MTV10 (Post 7344916)
Tuned W204 C63 should walk a stock W205 in a straight line

maybe on a highway pull, but from a ditch donít underestimate 285 stock rears vs 255. That extra 3cm is quite a bit of extra traction.

and tuned w205 is putting out like 600 wheel isnít it?

Rick X Joaquim 12-28-2017 06:25 PM

The new 4.0 turbo are simply faster and easier to get hp.

mr747 12-28-2017 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by ShazV6 (Post 7344647)
Stock for stock the 4.0 will beat the 6.2, tune vs tune the 4.0 will beat the 6.2. Now when it comes to the different stages of the 6.2 with the supercharger vs the 4.0 with the different stages im not sure who will come out on top but im pretty sure it will still be the 4.0. But Stage 3 4.0 vs stage 3 6.2 this is a toss up but i think this will go to the 6.2 as i believe some guys are in the 10.2 and the fastest 4.0 stage 3 i have seen is 10.7 (PL27 username) or better? but i could be wrong. I sure do love the 6.2 sound though, nothing like it.

MY stage 3 6.2 runs 9.9 at over 140mph no c63s will catch that ( well not yet anyway)

principledchiro 12-28-2017 08:19 PM

Aside from the 204 bolt-ons, can 285 or 295 rear tire be had? Can it take a 100 shot nitrous?

G_Money 12-28-2017 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by BLKROKT (Post 7344526)
2012-13 Black Series would be best. Second best would be a 2014-15 507 Coupe which has all of the best bits from throughout the production years. Third best would be any 2012-15 P31 Coupe with the forged internals (these are the only ones close to your budget).

Keep in mind that FBO will get you to just around the 500whp mark. Any more than that you will need FI or N2O.

Aren't the non-pano 4-doors a tad lighter than the coupes, since all coupes have pano roof?

BLKROKT 12-28-2017 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by G_Money (Post 7345030)
Aren't the non-pano 4-doors a tad lighter than the coupes, since all coupes have pano roof?

I donít know. He was asking about 2-doors so I gave him 2-door answers.

SactownP31 12-28-2017 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by principledchiro (Post 7345011)
Aside from the 204 bolt-ons, can 285 or 295 rear tire be had? Can it take a 100 shot nitrous?

I got 275 no fitment issue, no spacers. Add spacers, bigger rims, you're set. 205s are about 20k-30k more expensive. Add half that in mods to a w204 and it's game over w205.

G_Money 12-29-2017 12:43 AM


Originally Posted by BLKROKT (Post 7345062)


I donít know. He was asking about 2-doors so I gave him 2-door answers.

Ah, I didn't see that he specified coupes!

Well, it should be noted that, all other things being equal, a sedan is (counter-intuitively) ~150 lbs lighter than a coupe.. If weight is an issue for you, of course.

MBNRG 12-29-2017 02:33 AM


Originally Posted by G_Money (Post 7345147)
a sedan is (counter-intuitively) ~150 lbs lighter than a coupe.. If weight is an issue for you, of course.

MB Star Tekinfo shows curb weight for the Sedan is 3924 lb, the Coupe is 3935 lb.

https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ml#post7304681

Phil_T 12-29-2017 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by G_Money (Post 7345030)
Aren't the non-pano 4-doors a tad lighter than the coupes, since all coupes have pano roof?

Yep the w204 sedan is lighter than the coupe because of the pano roof.

G_Money 12-29-2017 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by MBNRG (Post 7345181)
MB Star Tekinfo shows curb weight for the Sedan is 3924 lb, the Coupe is 3935 lb.

https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ml#post7304681

Car and Driver has the specs for a 2014 base C63 coupe and sedan.

Coupe: 3816
Sedan: 3649

agp423 12-29-2017 07:57 AM

Base C63 + tune = cheapest way to get there

principledchiro 12-29-2017 08:06 AM

Thx you CL63 gang. Your responses and wisdom is very much appreciated. Will a 2012 bolt-on C63 hold it's own against a Stang 5.0, Camaro SS, Challenger 392, M3, M4? Aside from exhaust mods, are there cams and throttle bodies available to equal and/or best the 507? Thx you in advance.

BLKROKT 12-29-2017 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by principledchiro (Post 7345251)
Thx you CL63 gang. Your responses and wisdom is very much appreciated. Will a 2012 bolt-on C63 hold it's own against a Stang 5.0, Camaro SS, Challenger 392, M3, M4? Aside from exhaust mods, are there cams and throttle bodies available to equal and/or best the 507? Thx you in advance.

A FBO W204 C63 will smoke all of those cars.

Cams are not worth the hassle. Throttle bodies can be upgraded. Theyíre all the same from the factory across the various models.

sventastic82 12-29-2017 09:00 AM

Unibody Sedans are usually lighter than unibody coupes not just because of the pano roof. The coupe's B pillar sits farther back and the lack of door window frame compromises roll over protection therefore additional support is added to compensate for it.
Same with a convertible they are even heavier than coupes because of additional support.

Best example: Most of the e36 which are converted to track cars are sedans because of the lower weight and lower flex in the body.

principledchiro 12-29-2017 10:00 AM

LOL, this's awesome news
 

Originally Posted by BLKROKT (Post 7345259)


A FBO W204 C63 will smoke all of those cars.

Cams are not worth the hassle. Throttle bodies can be upgraded. Theyíre all the same from the factory across the various models.

This's all i needed to know...assurance, lol Thx you

zcct04 12-29-2017 10:50 PM


Originally Posted by agp423 (Post 7345246)
Base C63 + tune = cheapest way to get there

I think you missed the wheel hp part of OPs question. A tune won't get you anywhere close to 500 whp. . .

SaphGreyC63 12-30-2017 01:16 AM


Originally Posted by zcct04 (Post 7345909)
I think you missed the wheel hp part of OPs question. A tune won't get you anywhere close to 500 whp. . .

It will if you add those intake spacers.............(sarcasm)


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