ESS m156 supercharger install thread
03-30-2018, 06:45 PM
#101
Heres how it sits when done, the oil cooler is relocated behind the new HE with a supplied bracket. I'll keep an eye on temps once it's up and running. I looked at the Weistec stage 2 manual to compare the kits and they do it the same way, but a relocation kit might be interesting eventually, depending on what I see while running it.. The shop is closed today so no more work till Monday...
Magnuson installs their larger HE this way, on top of bumper bar. I believe Weistec has as well, on more heavily modified builds like JRCart's.
Last edited by MBNRG; 04-03-2018 at 07:01 PM.
03-30-2018, 07:47 PM
#102
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Interesting, I'll ask the installer to check on Monday and see if it would fit in the above behind the grill area and talk to ESS.. The ESS guy's car they developed/tested this on was a 2012 MCT C63 and I don't think he has had any issues, but I don't know how hard he drives it or if he tracks the car.
Also, I was thinking I was going to have to pull my ECU and send it to ESS for the tune. My install guy uses HP Tuners and ESS said they can do/ send the tune remotely. I have to pony up an extra $400 for ECU licensing on HP Tuners end if I want to do it, but it saves the shipping time back and forth. FWIW
I think the shop is happy with the install / fabrication / quality of the ESS system, they got all that done in one shortish day
Also, I was thinking I was going to have to pull my ECU and send it to ESS for the tune. My install guy uses HP Tuners and ESS said they can do/ send the tune remotely. I have to pony up an extra $400 for ECU licensing on HP Tuners end if I want to do it, but it saves the shipping time back and forth. FWIW
I think the shop is happy with the install / fabrication / quality of the ESS system, they got all that done in one shortish day
Last edited by kavik; 03-30-2018 at 08:42 PM.
03-31-2018, 04:12 AM
#103
I had spoken to ESS about my concerns for reduction in cool air flow to Front Main oil cooler, and to the Trans Cooler (which already has reduced air flow since behind front bumper bar), and asked if we could mount the ESS Intercooler above the bumper bar, behind the 3 Point Star grill if the original orientation of the oil line ports are respected. They hadn't mounted their Intercooler this way, but it would be very feasible with the existing tabs on their Intercooler, but may possibly need brackets on either side for additional support. This way, only the air flow to Power steering cooler is affected, as BLKROKT mentioned. ESS mentioned that if the Intercooler of this kit would not fit this top mounting position, they could try a different intercooler from their many other kits.
Magnuson installs their larger Intercooler this way, on top of bumper bar. I believe Weistec has as well, on more heavily modified builds like JRCart's.
Magnuson installs their larger Intercooler this way, on top of bumper bar. I believe Weistec has as well, on more heavily modified builds like JRCart's.
03-31-2018, 08:57 AM
#105
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I spoke to my guy at ess and he said mount it under the bumper bar as shown. He said it's not a stock off the shelf rectangular HE, it's one they designed/casted specifically to fit there and work with the C63 system. So for now I'll try it there.
I have to say communication with ESS has been geeat, Im kinda surprised they haven't blocked me yet lol. I have 54 emails they have answered mostly during my research but including the purchase / shipping / install timeframe. I know they must have hundreds each day.
I have to say communication with ESS has been geeat, Im kinda surprised they haven't blocked me yet lol. I have 54 emails they have answered mostly during my research but including the purchase / shipping / install timeframe. I know they must have hundreds each day.
Last edited by kavik; 03-31-2018 at 09:02 AM.
.. I should have dyno results tomorrow on mine...
04-03-2018, 06:39 PM
#109
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Got my kit yesterday! But I have to fix the clutch on my Dodge Ram this weekend so can’t start the install. ��. I am going to get my pre install dyno at ESS later this week. That red look awesome
04-04-2018, 01:46 PM
#110
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DYNO RESULTS:::
641.9 HP 540 TQ
The first Dyno is completely stock performance package car with Mike's Power pipes. I added row air boxes to it right before I brought it in for the supercharger to be installed.
Pretty darn happy. I picked up 190 horsepower .!! I think 150 hp gain was what the kit gave usually when starting with a performance package car. I would guess some of the extra came from the newer Gen 3 supercharger (Whipple claims at least 20 hp more at the lower boost levels) and some from the tune. The initial tune came from ESS via remote / HP Tuners file. I talked to the shop and they said the ESS tune was a great base tune. The shop was able to tune on the dyno and were able to get some more gains to top it off while keeping the timing/AFRs very safe and the torque to where its still safe for an MCT transmission.
Now I just have to go pick it up and drive it :-).
The shop does a lot of supercharger installs, although they usually work on US muscle cars. They were very happy with the ESS kit as far as a quality and ease of installation and the finished product
Last edited by kavik; 04-04-2018 at 09:12 PM.
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04-04-2018, 09:06 PM
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04-05-2018, 03:40 AM
#117
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ok, now I'm depressed.
190?!!?!??!!!
Congrats Kavik...I mean...I'm jealous AF right now....but congratulations nevertheless. You're going to love it. Don't forget to make some vids (where you're comfortable and it's safe to do so) and take more pics when you pick it up.
Gosh, 8k and you can turn this low 12 second car into a mid 10 second car...
190?!!?!??!!!
Congrats Kavik...I mean...I'm jealous AF right now....but congratulations nevertheless. You're going to love it. Don't forget to make some vids (where you're comfortable and it's safe to do so) and take more pics when you pick it up.
Gosh, 8k and you can turn this low 12 second car into a mid 10 second car...
04-05-2018, 04:27 AM
#118
Junior Member
Do you know if this kit would ever become CARB legal?
04-05-2018, 06:23 AM
#119
Crazy gains, Kavik!
Something to think about for all who are considering SC'ing (myself included): Tasos et al report bent rods occurring at 600whp and above:
youtube.com/watch?v=z1QHYBs5mK8
The rods in fact are the same whether from 2008, 2014 P31 (507), or SLS, and shows this in a different video with a rod from a 507:
youtube.com/watch?v=slN0C9QWms4
Will be looking at upgraded rods from Dime or Carrillo, etc
Something to think about for all who are considering SC'ing (myself included): Tasos et al report bent rods occurring at 600whp and above:
youtube.com/watch?v=z1QHYBs5mK8
The rods in fact are the same whether from 2008, 2014 P31 (507), or SLS, and shows this in a different video with a rod from a 507:
youtube.com/watch?v=slN0C9QWms4
Will be looking at upgraded rods from Dime or Carrillo, etc
04-05-2018, 06:53 AM
#120
Former Vendor of MBWorld
There should be more data on the Gen 3 kits coming soon. We have sold quite a few kits. I believe we sold all the Gen 3 kits except for Kavik's thus far. Unfortunately there is now a pretty long backorder as a result
04-05-2018, 07:12 PM
#122
Crazy gains, Kavik!
Something to think about for all who are considering SC'ing (myself included): Tasos et al report bent rods occurring at 600whp and above:
youtube.com/watch?v=z1QHYBs5mK8
The rods in fact are the same whether from 2008, 2014 P31 (507), or SLS, and shows this in a different video with a rod from a 507:
youtube.com/watch?v=slN0C9QWms4
Will be looking at upgraded rods from Dime or Carrillo, etc
Something to think about for all who are considering SC'ing (myself included): Tasos et al report bent rods occurring at 600whp and above:
youtube.com/watch?v=z1QHYBs5mK8
The rods in fact are the same whether from 2008, 2014 P31 (507), or SLS, and shows this in a different video with a rod from a 507:
youtube.com/watch?v=slN0C9QWms4
Will be looking at upgraded rods from Dime or Carrillo, etc
04-05-2018, 08:14 PM
#123
04-06-2018, 12:40 AM
#124
04-06-2018, 02:08 AM
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